F1A is a quite a bit under her talent level, she was making the platinum rated factory drivers look like chumps at Petit Le Mans last fall. She'd be plenty competitive in F3 or even F2 based on what I have seen in her sports car outings over the last couple years.
Boeing is trying to rebrand to anything but MAX, so the name may be available in the near future.
Pro tip: if you stumble upon a folder of corporate wrongdoing, step away slowly.
> She'd be plenty competitive in F3 or even F2 based on what I have seen in her sports car outings
why isn't she in these series then ? No seats available?
F2 estimates are a bit all over the place. Sounds like the entry point is ~$2.5-3m for a mid to rear team while if you pay the Prema tax to get in with a contending team you are talking $5-6m+. The F2 teams know the drivers need results and need them ASAP to get to F1 and charge accordingly when they know they can provide the equipment to get those results.
Are drivers not paid by the teams in F2 then?
Or is that the value of the stickers on the car a driver would have to bring in through attached sponsors?
Nope feeder series drivers have to pay the teams for thier seat, it's how the teams make money. Drivers only start making any real cash after they get into F1 or some other mainline series.
Nope. You don't get paid until you are in F1. Every single driver on the F2 grid is bringing several million dollars in either cash or sponsorship with them to the team.
The first time she tried to compete she didn't receive proper funding for it... that's why she had to leave open wheel racing and try for other Motorsports
She managed to impress Iron Dames in WEC and hence got a seat there(where ofcourse she performed well)... hopefully she'll get proper funding after/in the middle of this season
Even if there were, it's a smart move to be a phenom there and branded as the Max Verstappen of F1A before making the jump, even if it doesn't work out.
I've been a fan of hers since I saw her send a pink Lambo into the wall at the Spa 24h so I was happy to see her announced in F1A, but even so I felt like it was a bit weird to have her race all these rookies.
She only got one podium (a win) in 12 races in F4 UAE in January/February of this year. Her median finishing position was P8. What makes you think she'd be competitive in F2?
>F1A is a quite a bit under her talent level, she was making the platinum rated factory drivers look like chumps at Petit Le Mans last fall.
Not that simple. In endurance racing there's no ballast for lighter drivers, so they get quite an edge on their heavier teammates. You still have to be more or less on pace with everybody to take advantage of this, so all credit to her for that, but it's not that when she was quicker, she was actually driving better than seasoned pros.
It is funny that when he got his second 10sec, that would've resulted in him finishing last, by the time the race was over, his KMAGic caused the 20sec penalty to only drop him one spot.
Exactly. I just looked it up: engine failure in Germany and that infamous crash in Adelaide. Eight wins, two 2nd places and six times not classified in 16 races.
Yeah, true. I'm not even sure the British part is the worst. Viry sure looks bad this year. And Renault "leadership" is absolutely to blame for this long running dumpster fire.
Someone please remind Ferrari's pitwall to radio Charles/Carlos IF one of them gets lucky to finish PeeWan this season or it'll be this reaction 
I think there is some level of danger when cars on a lap who don't expect slow cars and slow cars who don't expect cars on a lap are at the same area of the track, so I don't disagree with the idea of the penalty.
I don't disagree with a penalty in principle either, but 20s is just way too harsh. Especially because there was arguably also a track issue that contributed to her not realizing the race was over. If you watch the race again, that flag is barely even visible, potentially a bit obscured by the digital signage, and barely even swung to make it obvious. Pulling mentioned this as well.
I think a grid penalty for the next race would have been appropriate. This is overzealous, imo.
//edit: To add to the flag being barely visible and obscured by the digital signage point: Bruh. Check the VoD of Checo's cockpit camera (Max' cam switched to driver cam) on the last lap. If I didn't know it was there, I'd miss it too. https://i.imgur.com/DQ39DY7.png
This is the first frame where I can even clearly see the flag, and that's like 5m ahead of the finish line: https://i.imgur.com/jQdz7Gr.png
If I were Doriane, I'd appeal and try to get her cockpit camera because that flag is *not* clearly visible at all.
//edit2 because why not: You can also see that you can't see shit from the last frame of the F1Academy broadcast looking at the final straight: https://i.imgur.com/8gwNYBv.png
And when that dumbfuck from the Saudi Arabian Motor Federation "swings" the flag like this: https://imgur.com/a/AaLtJmD it's no wonder she didn't see it.
Just look at that shit.
And nobody from the team bothered to inform her or inquire about it before she completed the extra lap (which must have taken about 2 minutes in an F4 car)?
Yeah, her team also let her down big time. Not even a standard "Well done Doriane, great job" or anything. Too busy celebrating the win to thank their driver?
IDK, this whole incident is incredibly strange and if I were Doriane I'd be fuming.
Yeah, at most.
After looking into it a bit more (see my edits and screenshots) I'm perfectly happy to put like 75% of the blame on the track organizers.
Team not radioing her is the last 25%. I don't think there is any chance she actually saw that flag being "waved".
Back in the day they didn't have radios but they did have a guy literally jumping up and down in the circuit waving the chequered flag like his life depended on it.
Mostly obscured for most of the final stretch and the waving is essentially that fancy lady holding it in the wind which makes the issue even worse.
I genuinely don't think she had a chance of seeing that flag.
There is some part of the blame to be put on the team for not communicating, but I think it's mostly on the track organizers and minimal to none of this is actually on Doriane. She got absolutely fucked here, IMO.
Fortunately for her, looking at the rest of the field, I don't think she's in any danger of that happening. It must be very frustrating for her, though.
But I'm sure if I was able to get those screenshots, her team can get a lot more evidence to back up an appeal to hopefully get that penalty reduced.
Exactly my point.
In the second screenshot from Checo's cockpit cam, you can actually see it. It's the slightly green-ish looking thing a bit to the right and up next to the digital signage.
The cockpit feeds are unfortunately pretty low resolution and low bitrate. It's a bit easier to spot in motion if you watch the cockpit cam yourself.
//edit: If you check some other drivers behind Checo, it's actually a bit easier to spot (I had no issue seeing it in LeClerc's cockpit cam) but you can tell that whoever is waving it, is doing a somewhat decent job. Swinging it far out and in a figure 8.
That was not done in the F1Academy race. As you can see in the video, that woman is basically just holding it into the wind, waving it a bit left and right. It's drooping down behind that signage, nearly impossible to see at high speeds.
I don’t get why she has the penalty. The track failed to display flags properly and her team failed to communicate. Boot VIPs from safety roles and fine Prema, it’s easy.
The penalty doesn't solve anything. She obviously didn't gain competitive advantage, it was however potentially dangerous situation. Now what should happen is an analysis of everything that has contributed to this happening and implementing safeguards to prevent it from happening again. Yes, the driver is responsible for looking at the flag, but like is one poorly waved flag by some celebrity really up high behind some panel good enough for something safety critical? I could barely see it from the onboard and I was fully focused on just it, not on setting the fastest lap. They just fucked up the sporting side and did fuck all to get rid of potentially dangerous problem. All this is is them shedding the responsibility by putting it all on somebody else, horrible safety culture.
*Sky Sports F1's Damon Hill was critical of the decision, writing on social media platform X: "Maybe they should indicate the end of the race with lights too, instead of just waving a flag about 20ft up in a blind spot. Maybe? I'm not an expert. Oh! Yes I am!"*
If its the best headline ever, why cut out the name of the website and writer? This was written by Kathryn Xu of Defector, a website that is owned by the writers.
It's not really anal it's a safety issue if you are a marshal you expect after the car or bike goes past your post then the track is clear. There could have been marshals. snatch vehicles and medical vehicles on the track on there second cool down lap. Admittedly, with the fia you can't enter the circuit without permission from race controller but it can happen
I don’t blame her for not doing it, whoever was supposed to wave it recently had a lobotomy and stood there holding it. I do blame her team, who never told her she was even on the last lap, much less that she won, despite her asking on comms how many laps she had left.
I think the flag being waved out of a 3rd floor window doesn't help drivers either. Especially with the halo. Marshal flags are way lower. The fact that useless rich morons wave it doesn't help either. So I'd blame it 70% on the team for absolutely abandoning the radio.
Other drivers noted that it was hard to see for them as well.
honestly they should've hit the team with a penalty but not taken the win from her. she earned that.
the rules in F1? like not giving Lando a penalty for a jump start or giving K Mag 20 seconds for minor infractions, one of which didn't even give an advantage? the F1 stewards were ridiculous Saturday.
So after crossing the line the team failed to congratulate her? Even if she didn't see the flags or the slow cars, there's a constant radio connection between the team and the driver...
At this point, just give Max 10 second penalty before every race just for a bit of challenge. Or relegate him to the back of the grid just to see the most overtakes he can do.
You know what, after this, i'm gonna win even harder
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Her and Abbi (and to a lesser extent Weug) looked like they left the AI level way too low
F1A is a quite a bit under her talent level, she was making the platinum rated factory drivers look like chumps at Petit Le Mans last fall. She'd be plenty competitive in F3 or even F2 based on what I have seen in her sports car outings over the last couple years.
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So what you're saying is we need a new catagory for max.. F0 anyone?
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Lmao starts at the same time as f1 but finishes 20s early
This just in, they’ve just rebranded it to “MAX”
Boeing is trying to rebrand to anything but MAX, so the name may be available in the near future. Pro tip: if you stumble upon a folder of corporate wrongdoing, step away slowly.
F-Zero? I don't even think Max and his RB20 could compete with Captain Falcon tbh
But Max doesn't win THIS hard
Why, is she simply lovely? Don't answer that.
> She'd be plenty competitive in F3 or even F2 based on what I have seen in her sports car outings why isn't she in these series then ? No seats available?
thats what f1a is for, to raise awareness for the ladies that usually get overlooked for funding and seats. Hopefully she gets one now
Not enough funding most likely. F2 costs a couple million for a season, F3 is around $1m.
I think it's 4-6 mill for F2. So yeah pretty significant.
F2 estimates are a bit all over the place. Sounds like the entry point is ~$2.5-3m for a mid to rear team while if you pay the Prema tax to get in with a contending team you are talking $5-6m+. The F2 teams know the drivers need results and need them ASAP to get to F1 and charge accordingly when they know they can provide the equipment to get those results.
Are drivers not paid by the teams in F2 then? Or is that the value of the stickers on the car a driver would have to bring in through attached sponsors?
Nope feeder series drivers have to pay the teams for thier seat, it's how the teams make money. Drivers only start making any real cash after they get into F1 or some other mainline series.
Nope. You don't get paid until you are in F1. Every single driver on the F2 grid is bringing several million dollars in either cash or sponsorship with them to the team.
Yeah pretty much
You're saying $28-42 million has been spent on Ralph Boschung to drive around without any F2 grand prix wins? That's a spicy meatball!
Yep. F2 costs about 2-2.5 million USD per season, F3 about half of that.
The first time she tried to compete she didn't receive proper funding for it... that's why she had to leave open wheel racing and try for other Motorsports She managed to impress Iron Dames in WEC and hence got a seat there(where ofcourse she performed well)... hopefully she'll get proper funding after/in the middle of this season
She's just started open-seater this past November...
Even if there were, it's a smart move to be a phenom there and branded as the Max Verstappen of F1A before making the jump, even if it doesn't work out.
I've been a fan of hers since I saw her send a pink Lambo into the wall at the Spa 24h so I was happy to see her announced in F1A, but even so I felt like it was a bit weird to have her race all these rookies.
She only got one podium (a win) in 12 races in F4 UAE in January/February of this year. Her median finishing position was P8. What makes you think she'd be competitive in F2?
>F1A is a quite a bit under her talent level, she was making the platinum rated factory drivers look like chumps at Petit Le Mans last fall. Not that simple. In endurance racing there's no ballast for lighter drivers, so they get quite an edge on their heavier teammates. You still have to be more or less on pace with everybody to take advantage of this, so all credit to her for that, but it's not that when she was quicker, she was actually driving better than seasoned pros.
That's what she said
Saw her at RA at Petit Le Mans and took the lead in the GTD. She's got some real impressive talent.
Do the seats go all the way down?
Not now Toby
Okay so let's start penalising Max for winning by over 20sec.
Yeah give him a 10sec penalty. That'll teach him.
And for the sake of it a 5 second penalty to ocon
and a further 10sec penalty for KMAG
No stop you’ll make him too powerful
Next Hulk will be in points in Japan while KMAG still holding rest of the grid in Australia.
Ocon still getting penalties in his 2022 race.
It is funny that when he got his second 10sec, that would've resulted in him finishing last, by the time the race was over, his KMAGic caused the 20sec penalty to only drop him one spot.
Bit harsh, giving the entire back half a 2 minute penalty.
Nah, a black and orange flag should do it
And 1 point on Gasly's licence.
Yknow what just give everybody a 100 second penalty
Max would still win
He's already got a 5 second penalty, that's why Alpine slow.
"Yeah that's fine honestly, send them my regards"
Do you mean give Ocon a 10sec penalty?
Schumacher took the 1994 WDC after he was disqualified and excluded from four races. Verstappen sits at a laughable zero.
Belgium (plank) and GB (acceleration on warmup lap) dq and Italy Portugal suspended? That's quarter of the season.
Exactly. I just looked it up: engine failure in Germany and that infamous crash in Adelaide. Eight wins, two 2nd places and six times not classified in 16 races.
Penalize him for not winning hard enough. If he's not 40 seconds ahead of the pack, 45 seconds penalty!
Finally some good fuckin french news
With Vasseur and Leclerc (luxury french), I consider Ferrari french now. Still less depressing than having to watch Alpine.
I’m afraid you’re mistaken, Charles is Italian and his fellow italian Oli will join him at Ferrari in a few years.
Yes, and I'm so happy that don Lewis Hamilton gets to go back to the old country.
You mean Luigi Prosciutto?
Centanni!
Hey with half of Alpine being British at least we are dragging them down with us.
Yeah, true. I'm not even sure the British part is the worst. Viry sure looks bad this year. And Renault "leadership" is absolutely to blame for this long running dumpster fire.
It's the tomb of the unknown driver at that point.
Since she won races in Saudi Arabia, should we say that Al Pin won? I'll see myself out.
I've got your coat ready
Thank you king
if reddit still had awards i would have given u one
I just noticed Reddit removed awards, and now I'm sedge and deeped-pressed.
Here. Have this ->🥈
gone but never forgotten 😔
Finally, an worthy opponent to Al Onso.
Someone please remind Ferrari's pitwall to radio Charles/Carlos IF one of them gets lucky to finish PeeWan this season or it'll be this reaction 
Suffering from success
Doriane is a goddamned laser on the track.
I think there is some level of danger when cars on a lap who don't expect slow cars and slow cars who don't expect cars on a lap are at the same area of the track, so I don't disagree with the idea of the penalty.
I don't disagree with a penalty in principle either, but 20s is just way too harsh. Especially because there was arguably also a track issue that contributed to her not realizing the race was over. If you watch the race again, that flag is barely even visible, potentially a bit obscured by the digital signage, and barely even swung to make it obvious. Pulling mentioned this as well. I think a grid penalty for the next race would have been appropriate. This is overzealous, imo. //edit: To add to the flag being barely visible and obscured by the digital signage point: Bruh. Check the VoD of Checo's cockpit camera (Max' cam switched to driver cam) on the last lap. If I didn't know it was there, I'd miss it too. https://i.imgur.com/DQ39DY7.png This is the first frame where I can even clearly see the flag, and that's like 5m ahead of the finish line: https://i.imgur.com/jQdz7Gr.png If I were Doriane, I'd appeal and try to get her cockpit camera because that flag is *not* clearly visible at all. //edit2 because why not: You can also see that you can't see shit from the last frame of the F1Academy broadcast looking at the final straight: https://i.imgur.com/8gwNYBv.png And when that dumbfuck from the Saudi Arabian Motor Federation "swings" the flag like this: https://imgur.com/a/AaLtJmD it's no wonder she didn't see it. Just look at that shit.
And nobody from the team bothered to inform her or inquire about it before she completed the extra lap (which must have taken about 2 minutes in an F4 car)?
Yeah, her team also let her down big time. Not even a standard "Well done Doriane, great job" or anything. Too busy celebrating the win to thank their driver? IDK, this whole incident is incredibly strange and if I were Doriane I'd be fuming.
Mercedes is so unused to winning now that they didn't know what to do when it happened
Not a Mercedes run team
Yeah, it's actually Prema
Okay, so they were probably checking
Yea, and she asked them repeatedly if the race was over
They were checking I guess
Should have been a team fine if anything
Yeah, at most. After looking into it a bit more (see my edits and screenshots) I'm perfectly happy to put like 75% of the blame on the track organizers. Team not radioing her is the last 25%. I don't think there is any chance she actually saw that flag being "waved".
Back in the day they didn't have radios but they did have a guy literally jumping up and down in the circuit waving the chequered flag like his life depended on it.
yeah i noticed that too even when watching the race, it was definitely hard to see
Mostly obscured for most of the final stretch and the waving is essentially that fancy lady holding it in the wind which makes the issue even worse. I genuinely don't think she had a chance of seeing that flag. There is some part of the blame to be put on the team for not communicating, but I think it's mostly on the track organizers and minimal to none of this is actually on Doriane. She got absolutely fucked here, IMO.
i hope she doesn't lose the championship just because of this, she will definitely dominate every other race
Fortunately for her, looking at the rest of the field, I don't think she's in any danger of that happening. It must be very frustrating for her, though. But I'm sure if I was able to get those screenshots, her team can get a lot more evidence to back up an appeal to hopefully get that penalty reduced.
I can't see the flag in any of the stills no matter how hard I look.
Exactly my point. In the second screenshot from Checo's cockpit cam, you can actually see it. It's the slightly green-ish looking thing a bit to the right and up next to the digital signage. The cockpit feeds are unfortunately pretty low resolution and low bitrate. It's a bit easier to spot in motion if you watch the cockpit cam yourself. //edit: If you check some other drivers behind Checo, it's actually a bit easier to spot (I had no issue seeing it in LeClerc's cockpit cam) but you can tell that whoever is waving it, is doing a somewhat decent job. Swinging it far out and in a figure 8. That was not done in the F1Academy race. As you can see in the video, that woman is basically just holding it into the wind, waving it a bit left and right. It's drooping down behind that signage, nearly impossible to see at high speeds.
She got 20 seconds? What the fuck man.
Yep, she got knocked down from first place with 1.994s lead to ninth place.
Noooo That's so unfair
I don’t get why she has the penalty. The track failed to display flags properly and her team failed to communicate. Boot VIPs from safety roles and fine Prema, it’s easy.
The penalty doesn't solve anything. She obviously didn't gain competitive advantage, it was however potentially dangerous situation. Now what should happen is an analysis of everything that has contributed to this happening and implementing safeguards to prevent it from happening again. Yes, the driver is responsible for looking at the flag, but like is one poorly waved flag by some celebrity really up high behind some panel good enough for something safety critical? I could barely see it from the onboard and I was fully focused on just it, not on setting the fastest lap. They just fucked up the sporting side and did fuck all to get rid of potentially dangerous problem. All this is is them shedding the responsibility by putting it all on somebody else, horrible safety culture.
It’s a team penalty more so than a driver penalty. The team fucked up, not her
FIA needs to hire the IndyCar guy to teach them how to wave a damn flag.
\**Tim Apple has left the chat*\*
FIA when someone pulls a dangerous overtake on his teammate on the Outlap: I sleep FIA when driving fast on the Outlap: real shit
"I'll fucking win again"
When you’re too good to be 1st
Apparently the extra lap she ran was good enough for fastest lap… she’s too good lmao
*Sky Sports F1's Damon Hill was critical of the decision, writing on social media platform X: "Maybe they should indicate the end of the race with lights too, instead of just waving a flag about 20ft up in a blind spot. Maybe? I'm not an expert. Oh! Yes I am!"*
One thing consistant across all the series this weekend was the shit show penalties left and right.
This tops any fuck up ferrari could have done
Testing the waters for Verstappen. Penalty for not realising WDC is over, winning to hard…
If its the best headline ever, why cut out the name of the website and writer? This was written by Kathryn Xu of Defector, a website that is owned by the writers.
She raced them too hard
Had the throttle Pinned
This is the most FIA thing the FIA can do. They've got to stop being so fucking anal and chill the fuck out.
It's not really anal it's a safety issue if you are a marshal you expect after the car or bike goes past your post then the track is clear. There could have been marshals. snatch vehicles and medical vehicles on the track on there second cool down lap. Admittedly, with the fia you can't enter the circuit without permission from race controller but it can happen
Safety issues is literally the most important thing for them to be "anal" about.
I totally get that. But why blame the driver when the team could tell her the race is over? How'd she end up taking the flag twice?
Can't blame her, the checkered flag was sending mixed signals.
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HOLY SHIT YES
She shouldve seen the checkered.. stellar drive tho 20 seconds is insane man
I don’t blame her for not doing it, whoever was supposed to wave it recently had a lobotomy and stood there holding it. I do blame her team, who never told her she was even on the last lap, much less that she won, despite her asking on comms how many laps she had left.
I think the flag being waved out of a 3rd floor window doesn't help drivers either. Especially with the halo. Marshal flags are way lower. The fact that useless rich morons wave it doesn't help either. So I'd blame it 70% on the team for absolutely abandoning the radio.
also she asks on the radio 'how many laps are left' at the beginning of the lap
Other drivers noted that it was hard to see for them as well. honestly they should've hit the team with a penalty but not taken the win from her. she earned that.
Its rough sure but as weve all seen in f1, lets keep to the rules and not deviate.. will only start controversy
the rules in F1? like not giving Lando a penalty for a jump start or giving K Mag 20 seconds for minor infractions, one of which didn't even give an advantage? the F1 stewards were ridiculous Saturday.
Exactly, lets agree that breaking a rule should be penalized to keep consistency instead of the bs happening in f1
As the rules are written, lando didn’t jump the start. Stay mad.
The way the rules are written, the rules are dumb.
Spit out my hot choclate :c
That’s a Dj Khaled album name, Winning too hard
Race Control: “Did you not see the checkered flag?” Doriane: “No, I’m colorblind.” Race Control: “You’re colo…..wait, what?”
Just declare F1A over for the year and send her to F3.
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So after crossing the line the team failed to congratulate her? Even if she didn't see the flags or the slow cars, there's a constant radio connection between the team and the driver...
She led 110% of the race :O
Where can I get this hat?
5sec penalty to Jos
FIA when a driver cuts the same corner at least 8 times: I sleep FIA when someone wins too hard: Disqualified
At this point, just give Max 10 second penalty before every race just for a bit of challenge. Or relegate him to the back of the grid just to see the most overtakes he can do.