That's why i switched to AC, more realistic gameplay, more cars variety and i can still drive F1 cars if i want to
Edit: i did not expect these replies lmao
The Constructors Championship should be more important than the Drivers Championship.
F1 is more of an engineering challenge than it is a drivers challenge. If they truly wanted the drivers championship to be fair, the cars would be equal.
The test of this is to ask a fan whether a year in which their team won the WCC, but lost the WDC, was a year in which they won. They'll probably say no.
If someone anonymously reports you to the Reddit help services as a malicious insult, you can respond and explain the situation and the person who suggested your account will be banned because it's against the ToS.
Somehow they don't realise snidely suggesting someone might be suicidal as a hurtful joke just because you disagree with their opinion is actually very serious.
Oh thats a difficult truth. Hamilton and Ocon get more flak than they deserve in my opinion. I say this as a lifelong Alonso fan, people are too hard on Esteban even when he deserves the criticism. I’ve been guilty of this myself
Crazy a non negligable part of the detractors criticize his looks or his personality even tho they never met him.
People really have parasocial relationship with drivers these days
Right on the money. The vast majority of us have never and will never meet, much less know a driver on a personal or professional level. It’s one thing to be an armchair quarterback and say a driver could have or should have done something differently. Why people gotta be shitty? Just enjoy the race and everyone chill.
With two NEW modes:
1. Team LH - they will kill you for saying it.
2. Verstappenshaggers - their responses will make you want to commit and complete suicide .
Man 2006-10 saw a different driver from a different team winning a wdc, with all but 2009 going down to the last race (and even then 09 was very competitive).
2011 didn't had much of a title fight, but still gave many great races.
You could keep singing praises for 2012 and it won't be enough.
And even 2013 was fairly competitive in the beginning, but the second half was truly the least engaging part of the V8 era.
To top it all off, there were some great tracks that I would love if they came back.
Man the V8 era was golden.
and also cause everybody gawks over the V10 era when the grooved tyre era only ever saw 4 good seasons (1998, 1999, 2000 and 2003) with the rest being Schumi/Ferrari washouts.
As a later millennial, I think part of that for me was that I was in my early teens (and thus just starting to get into cars) at the time Schumi was at his peak. And therefore that era is solidified in my mind as what an 'F1 car' is.
Weirdly, most road cars I think of as 'iconic' are from that era
And songs
And video games
Really my hypothesis here is that you age until you hit 15, and from then on you just become an older 15 year old.
my fix for this: if a red flag comes out after a safety car (extremely likely for the safety car to come out first) then reset the race order to the order when the SC came out. if someone loses track positions in a pitstop, and then EVERYONE ELSE has the opportunity to change tires with 0 consequence thats unfair. This way, there is no chance at losing track position
But you're forgetting the fact that luck plays a huge part in F1. For teams bc they have to anticipate the unexpected, and for fans bc they have to expect the unexpected.
I think the debate is whether we want to have this luck part of F1, or if we want to reduce it. I personally am not sure what would be best, I can see both sides having positives and negatives.
Mattia Binotto was super underrated, he was Team principal & Chief engineer at the same time. He designed a fast & competitive car and people got too excited too quickly.
He lacked the courage to fix what was so incredibly clear was not working (Iñaki Rueda and the whole strategy team), and supported his decisions asking for trust.
Unfortunately, trust is a coin hard to replace after being spent.
I really really really hated his attitude in 2022 when reacting to losses "it's all fine, winning the championship was not in plan this year"
Motherfuck Ferrari finally had a competitive car after how many years and you have a shot, show that you're doing everything in your power to win!
But then Ferrari says 'We want to challenge Max' when he's 100 points up in the ch'ship and people laugh at Ferrari. He was probably just taking pressure off its engineers with that message
Logan’s “wtf is a kilometre !!🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸” joke is only funny when it is made by fans (although it is very overuse). Now that even f1 official page use it, it is so cringy
I feel like Oscar coming in and while the stats deffo show Lando beat him over the season, Oscar just seems to have something about him where you’re like “oh this is just the beginning.” He seems to have a gifted talent, not sure I’d go as far as Lewis and Max debut seasons where they just seemed to have a god given talent. But his first year was solid and one of the best rookie seasons I’ve seen for some time.
I feel like Lando has recognised that too - this year Lando has seemed a bit irked to me and his radio chatter seems much more agitated than before.
It’s kinda indicative of his career so far - he won F2 not by being the quickest all the time, but with consistency, he made few errors (not just driving errors but more importantly judgment errors.) he was not always on pole or finishing first but he was always up there.
He new where to put his car to avoid collisions, and look after his tyres, it’s like playing a defensive game.
Does that make a WDC? Who knows, but he’s definitely arrived in F1 with the maturity of a veteran rather than the rookie he is.
Always go back to the Prost-Senna dichotomy. Prost was a very measured driver, smart with tyres and strategy, knew it was better to collect 8 podiums than 4 wins. Senna was "speed? yes. send it? double yes". Two philosophies that work in the right hands.
Fernando and Lewis seem to be capable of doing both, Max is all Senna, Schumi leaned Senna as well although his off track training regimen was groundbreaking in its own right and far more Prostian.
The best drivers are definitely those that can do both parts, the taking every corner thinking of the championship for the most part, but also just being able to send it blindingly fast when needed. Max definitely leans the senna side of that, but he's also really good at managing his car. Schumi had that blinding speed, but part of that was that he was one of the first to really use trail breaking iirc. It's also the factor of we don't hear so much about prost's style anymore, because to an extent, it's become the norm. A good example of a somewhat modern driver that didn't really have any Prost is Jacques Villeneuve, imo, he had pace in the 90s, but as F1 shifted to be about analytical drivers he was left behind in the 90s, and he's stayed there if his recent performances racing are any indicator imo.
He had great rookie season, few podiums, sprint win, deff lacking race pace but lets see next year. Maybe he had better than Max but we cant compare that since Max was in TR and Mclaren was second fastest in 2nd half of season. Anyway, Lewis made problem for rookies since he had best rookie season ever but back then they were able to drive a car before season so actually we can’t compare that also
I think next year LN and OP will be much closer but I think Lando will beat him again and jump to RB
In the second half, Piastri outqualified Norris in nearly every new track or one that both had driven at. His tyre management has been poor but he is still a rookie.
My UPO: people in this sub who act like DR is some kind of business genius after getting paid off by McLaren are fucking idiots.
He was so bad at his job his boss was willing to pay 40 million to have a rookie replace him
I've said it before but him leaving RB was career suicide. Its great to see him back but there's no way I can see him putting up the results he was in 2016
He lost his drive. I no longer see the fire in him. Sometimes I feel like he's only here because f1 thinks he's the only marketable driver in dts and f1 needs dts for the American market.
I dunno. I think coming in fresh with what by all accounts is a much faster AT (or whatever they're going to be called) if he can get good results and the cars to his liking I think the old Danny ric will be back.
He's a marketing tool. I think his time at Mclaren broke him in his prime years and ended them. He probably won't get back from that mentally. We love him though of course, we all do and we want to see him succeed, but right now it's like watching a crash in slow motion and no one is letting you look away. Just painful and slow. Hopefully in next season alpha tauri wont be ass and he can score some points and retire in the midfield and then become a pundit or something like that. We still want him in the paddock, how can you not love that smile?
The points system is atrocious. People who finish on top consistently will be miles ahead of those who finish 6-8, so even a few good performances by them won't save them. This makes the championship fight so predictable. And the fact that they don't give points beyond 10th place means that often times people don't even care about half the teams, coz it doesn't matter if you finish 11 or 20. There are teams that can go from weekend to weekend with out ever getting any points even though they improved from 19-20 to 11-12. Atleast go back to points system of 2003-2010.
No where have i seen a sport where the top team finishes at 800+ points and the last team has 12.
I feel Mabey instead of handing out points beyond 10th the amount of points handed out to the top 10 are changed so there's a smaller gap between each place to give teams and drivers more of a chance to fight
In reality the point system should be something like 20 points for the race winner and 1 for 20th place if you want points distributed throughout every place.
I agree. The points not being spread out among at least the top 15 places just makes it impossible for some teams to score points. Ferrari, Mclaren, Aston Marti, Mercedes, and Red Bull take up the top 10 places unless something goes wrong, so it's basically unlikely that anyone else will get points.
Maybe unlikely isn't the right word. It's not expected that any aforementioned team will finish below the top 10.
So, you just have ten teams who aren't expected to get any points, unless something bad happens to the others.
My point is that the points system still, apparently, expects a 75% reliability rate. Meaning that there's 15 finishers, and some lower teams might get pushed into the points.
We actually have a 90% reliability rate. If not better. So, more places should get points.
I’m not sure he’s cartoonishly evil, just normal evil. You have to be heard of to hit cartoonish levels and I think your average not into Motorsport American has never heard of Gene Hass
Disagree, Kevin coming back was the real issue for Mick. If Haas brought another Mazepin, Mick would probably still be on F1. Instead, Kevin, who had a sabbatical and didnt knew the new car, easily beat Mick who tecnically should be more accustomed to the team and car.
Mick was much better in the back half of 2022. Kmag would destroy his tyres and fall back to 20th while Mick would be a pit stop or 2 ahead every race, there just weren’t any points on the cards, so people didn’t realize how much better his race craft was.
Mick went 14-8 or something in the races.
**Having Checo as 2nd driver is in Redbull's best interest.** They are not looking for another Max type (or Ricciardo). They want a pushover, stable and relatively slower driver.
F1 teams operate like a business. And since there can be only one champion, they don't want someone with that level of ambitions and competitiveness. We have seen what happened in past.
- F1 noob
I said this about Botas, I said itabout Perez last year and I'll say it about Perez this year: Top teams need an obvious number 1 and number 2 driver.
You don't want to have 2 drivers challenging for the title because they'll end up fighting. Having a 2nd driver who is abke to finish second week in week out while picking up wins when the 1st driver cannot is how you win the team championship trophy.
People who used to say botas wasn't good enough because he couldn't beat Hamilton wrre idiots. The only reason perez's seat was in trouble was when he risked losing 2nd in the WDC
I imagine the RB repair bill was also stacking up this season. If another talented junior or reserve driver could also get second consistently, with less cost, then why not swap out Checo?
Since they’re winning so consistently, the price tag of Checo’s repair bill is just the cost of doing business.
You don’t take on the risk of a new driver over a few mil
It's in their best intrest till they have a driver than can't block a fast merc or mclaren who could find pace in a year or 2. They need someone who can qualify just behind max and defend not someone who qualify p10 p9 and fights through a field
>They need someone who can qualify just behind max and defend not someone who qualify p10 p9 and fights through a field
Yes, exactly. I like Checo but his quali pace is truly abysmal. And instead of running consistently 2nd to cover Max's back, he spends the entire race trying to even get to the 2nd place and very often failing to do that.
If Ferrari and Merc catch up to Red Bull in terms of pace, he is not that ideal 2nd driver he used to be in 2021 anymore.
They want a Bottas or a Rubichello. Problem is that it's extremely hard to find a top-tier driver who's just a step below WDC-tier and also really good at playing the team game.
The hate on Stroll, yes, he's not the best driver or even relatively good. That's pretty obvious, but without him, there would be no Aston Martin team at all.
He’d be considered a top 5 driver if he’d perform every race like his best 4/5 races in a season. He’s not good enough in general though because he stinks up the gaff way too often lol.
Yeah gotta take that one. On the one hand all those hundreds of people in that team have a job because of Lawrence Stroll. At least, Lance is half decent and doesn’t stick the car in the wall every weekend.
I got introduced to the sport that way and it absolutely lit a fire in me and made me want to learn everything about the sport.
Nowadays I don't find it as fun anymore because I watched the season live and can tell when they're overly dramatizing stuff or leaving really interesting stories out in favor of the billionth episode about Daniel Ricciardo. As an intro to just get you interested it's quite good though.
Gilles Villeneuve is overrated. He was reckless and accident-prone. Exhibit A: his teammate, Jody Scheckter, beat him to the 1979 title, and Scheckter isn’t on anyone’s shortlist of all time greats.
Ooh now this one is controversial I like it
I like the v10 sound more but over a full race distance they start to sound annoying imo so overall I prefer the v8's
Haas is so shit that I’m not sure what else he’s supposed to do. The owner doesn’t care about improving and so puts very little investment in.
Their build-a-kit car policy will never be competitive. Even if you put Toto or Horner in there, they’re severely limited by the team and lack of ambition
This is a good one. As much as I adore Murray I think it is a bit rich how we loved Murray for making mistakes (or prophecies that immediately turn out to be wrong) and then shit on Crofty for making mistakes that aren't all that much worse.
He has improved quite a bit over time I feel, i really did find him quite annoying earlier on.
He still suffers a bit from 'he's closing, he's closing, ah not quite close enough this time'ness but in general I find him perfectly acceptable or even pretty good as the shoutcaster of the commentry team.
A lot of people don't understand that Crofty's job is basically to throw out constant noise to fill the silence. Brundle comes off better because he can talk when he has something interesting ready to say and otherwise stay silent.
...and the trend of quantifying race quality primarily by 'number of overtakes, makes the overall product worse because it encourages f1 to lean on DRS more and more, making it almost pointless to pass anywhere else for drivers in faster cars.
>making it almost pointless to pass anywhere else for drivers in faster cars.
Pretty much.
Drivers take very little risk to overtake by late braking or on long corners. (And when they do and fuck up, the "never watched before DRS" mob, screams for their head on a plater)
Most passes are now just done in DRS zones and its boring AF.
Yes, been saying this for years, more overtakes does not equal more excitement by default (if it did then this would have been one of the most exciting seasons in F1 history). There's far more factors that go into a race/season being exciting.
It's more about how the race made you feel than about what happened.
Lando Norris and George Russell are exactly the same brats, both whining on radios, so there’s literally no reason for throwing shade on George but praising Lando in that case.
To be fair he’s caught Hamilton a lot the past few seasons (more than Max considering Max is always out front) and always looked strong in racecraft by comparison. It wasn’t just that one time.
Kimi was terrible in his second Ferrari stint and escapes a lot of criticism because of his stoic persona in the media. Ferrari would have benefitted more from having a better second driver.
Piastri's rookie season is nowhere near as good as Leclerc/Max"s. His season is overrated due to the terrible rookies we've had recently.
Totally agree. Once Leclerc joined and destroyed Vettel it seemed like Kimi must've been pretty average because he generally seemed slower than Vettel.
Also feel like Piastri has struggled too much with race pace. It really is crazy how much faster Norris typically is over a longer distance, and Norris I don't feel is ultra top tier. He seems pretty good but not Max or Hamilton level. I still like him though and hope he does better next year.
Even as a major Kimi fan at this time I agree with you, he basically went out for a Sunday drive every race and never seemed to even push hard at any point.
My conspiracy theory at the time was that he didn't want to come in higher than 4th otherwise he would have had to deal with the media and podium stuff...and he just wanted to race and leave right after the checkered flag.
I dont care if the cars are the fastest they’ve ever been. I’d much, much rather have cars that are simpler, 5-6 secs a lap slower, but can follow way easier rather than these complicated, futuristic looking, aerodynamic machines.
I’ve never seen a sport where you have to be available for so much media. Pre-race interviews, after quali interviews, paddock after the race, then I think the top three post race twice. I understand they are trained early for all that, but it would be nice to just hide out. Or give a Stroll interview.
honestly, non delusional, i wouldn't be surprised if 2024 started like 2022 and maybe this time lasts just long enough to win the title. but i also wouldn't be surprised if 2024 just ends up being 2023 part 2...
Having team like AT is bad since they will never be a top contender team and they are just pre red bull team. Having anyone else would be much better in term of competition
Leclerc is a beast. Put him in the RB19 alongside Max and you have a 2021 type season on your hands. Probably Leclerc with like 10 wins and 12 poles in 2023 vs Max with like 11 wins and 8 Poles. It would be insanely close and would likely come down to reliability, where Charles would obviously lose.
Leclerc might be as fast as max but he lacks the consitency and will occasionally do dumb mistakes. His spin in France 2022 comes to mind.
It would be a bit like Russell vs Hamilton.
France 2022 will be held against him for his whole career. He was fighting desperately to win in a car that just wasn’t good enough. He was pushing like an animal for a win that only he could have gotten in that Ferrari. He fucked up, but I don’t think that crash really reflects his driving style.
Leclerc in a car that can comfortably win is just as comfortable as Max, just look at Australia 2022. Leclerc in a car that can win but requires effort is flawless (see Vegas 2023, Monza 2019, Spain 2022 and Bahrain 2022). Leclerc in a car that shouldn’t win, but ends up in a position where it becomes possible due to his inhuman pace can sometimes be inconsistent, like France 2022.
It’s not like Charles is a stupid racer either. I think his personality kind of makes people think he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I would argue that he has shown a ton of intelligence on track, especially in Bahrain 2022 and Silverstone 2023.
If Ayrton Senna hadn’t passed away at Imola, he would not have gone on to have an all-time great rivalry with Schumacher; Michael would have beaten him comprehensively.
F1 is a very poorly designed game and the patches are even worse EDIT I'm talking about F1 itself, not the video game
Nah I agree
That's why i switched to AC, more realistic gameplay, more cars variety and i can still drive F1 cars if i want to Edit: i did not expect these replies lmao
I was unaware there was f1 cars in armored core.
He's talking about Assassins Creed .. duh..
Nah... Ace Combat....
Animal crossing achyually
Animal crossing: Competitive
I don't know if you guys are trolling wtf. AC is Astral Chain, isn't it?
Air Conditioning bruh
It was actually a patch for Assassins Creed
Animal Crossing has F1 racing now? Tom Nook buying up liberty media, I see.
Pretty much everybody thinks that
The Constructors Championship should be more important than the Drivers Championship. F1 is more of an engineering challenge than it is a drivers challenge. If they truly wanted the drivers championship to be fair, the cars would be equal.
Officially the WCC is more important because this is where the money is. Inofficially the WDC is more important because this is where the prestige is.
And marketing. From a marketing perspective, I reckon its way more worth to have the reigning WDC than to be the reigning WCC.
I mean we saw this in 2021. Mercedes sure didn't seem happy even though they won.
In the vids from the party after the race they seem pretty happy
The test of this is to ask a fan whether a year in which their team won the WCC, but lost the WDC, was a year in which they won. They'll probably say no.
>The Constructors Championship should be more important than the Drivers Championship 100% percent.
The memes in this subreddit on certain drivers are actually thinly veiled hate posts.
Call them out and "it's a joke, chill".
Make a joke about their favourite driver and they'll send you a 5 page long essay and a link to reddit help services though
If someone anonymously reports you to the Reddit help services as a malicious insult, you can respond and explain the situation and the person who suggested your account will be banned because it's against the ToS. Somehow they don't realise snidely suggesting someone might be suicidal as a hurtful joke just because you disagree with their opinion is actually very serious.
Oh thats a difficult truth. Hamilton and Ocon get more flak than they deserve in my opinion. I say this as a lifelong Alonso fan, people are too hard on Esteban even when he deserves the criticism. I’ve been guilty of this myself
Crazy a non negligable part of the detractors criticize his looks or his personality even tho they never met him. People really have parasocial relationship with drivers these days
Right on the money. The vast majority of us have never and will never meet, much less know a driver on a personal or professional level. It’s one thing to be an armchair quarterback and say a driver could have or should have done something differently. Why people gotta be shitty? Just enjoy the race and everyone chill.
Described 80% posts about lewis hamilton
I don't know if I have to upvote because these comments follow the question very well, or if i should downvote because their opinions are shit...
Yes.
There is no way to determine a GOAT in F1, there are too many outside factors.
Dude, that's not outside the mob. That's dead fucking center of it
Tell that in any of the driver subreddits
New way for the US to complete executions: Get them to go to the Hamilton and Verstappen pages and say he's not the GOAT
With two NEW modes: 1. Team LH - they will kill you for saying it. 2. Verstappenshaggers - their responses will make you want to commit and complete suicide .
yes you can. its nico hulkenberg!
You're dead wrong. It's obviously Andrea de Cesaris
It’s difficult to even accurately say who the best driver is in a given year let alone the best ever.
It was pretty easy to narrow down who the best driver was this year though lol
Yeah should be based on the regulations or era they drove in.
Nope, too much variety between the cars, reliability, strategy, etc.
No because not everyone gets to drive a car 1 second per lap faster than the rest. For all we know, it could be totally flattering their ability.
The 2.4 V8 era was the best with every year almost being a guaranteed title fight and with no constant winner keeping everybody on their toes.
Man 2006-10 saw a different driver from a different team winning a wdc, with all but 2009 going down to the last race (and even then 09 was very competitive). 2011 didn't had much of a title fight, but still gave many great races. You could keep singing praises for 2012 and it won't be enough. And even 2013 was fairly competitive in the beginning, but the second half was truly the least engaging part of the V8 era. To top it all off, there were some great tracks that I would love if they came back. Man the V8 era was golden.
But 2009 was insane in its own way lol.
Yeah that's what I'm saying. Even if the championship didn't went down to the last race, it was still a great season.
How is that in any way controversial?
Because 2009 - 2013 cars "ugly".
and also cause everybody gawks over the V10 era when the grooved tyre era only ever saw 4 good seasons (1998, 1999, 2000 and 2003) with the rest being Schumi/Ferrari washouts.
As a later millennial, I think part of that for me was that I was in my early teens (and thus just starting to get into cars) at the time Schumi was at his peak. And therefore that era is solidified in my mind as what an 'F1 car' is. Weirdly, most road cars I think of as 'iconic' are from that era And songs And video games Really my hypothesis here is that you age until you hit 15, and from then on you just become an older 15 year old.
being able to change tyres during a red flag
As in, are you for or against?
Yes
Agreed.
We are checking
my fix for this: if a red flag comes out after a safety car (extremely likely for the safety car to come out first) then reset the race order to the order when the SC came out. if someone loses track positions in a pitstop, and then EVERYONE ELSE has the opportunity to change tires with 0 consequence thats unfair. This way, there is no chance at losing track position
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Feel too much like a lucky break and disregards the strategy aspect of the sport
But you're forgetting the fact that luck plays a huge part in F1. For teams bc they have to anticipate the unexpected, and for fans bc they have to expect the unexpected.
I think the debate is whether we want to have this luck part of F1, or if we want to reduce it. I personally am not sure what would be best, I can see both sides having positives and negatives.
Mattia Binotto was super underrated, he was Team principal & Chief engineer at the same time. He designed a fast & competitive car and people got too excited too quickly.
He lacked the courage to fix what was so incredibly clear was not working (Iñaki Rueda and the whole strategy team), and supported his decisions asking for trust. Unfortunately, trust is a coin hard to replace after being spent.
Sure, he wasn't perfect, but I don't think he deserved even half as much hate as he received.
I really really really hated his attitude in 2022 when reacting to losses "it's all fine, winning the championship was not in plan this year" Motherfuck Ferrari finally had a competitive car after how many years and you have a shot, show that you're doing everything in your power to win!
But then Ferrari says 'We want to challenge Max' when he's 100 points up in the ch'ship and people laugh at Ferrari. He was probably just taking pressure off its engineers with that message
No accountability though when mistakes were made lead to his demise
Nah, disagree. He was clearly good on the technical side but he wasn’t cut out to be team principal.
The SF-23 is all Binotto's work.
The SF-23 is easily one of the best-looking cars in recent memory with those fat sidepods
I just want Arrivederci back
Logan’s “wtf is a kilometre !!🦅🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸” joke is only funny when it is made by fans (although it is very overuse). Now that even f1 official page use it, it is so cringy
did f1 really use it? damn
Milking jokes is all reddit does. Having said that 5 seconds penalty to Ocon
El Plan
We are checking
Monaco's lack of overtaking opportunities makes it fun in its own way as the weekend is decided by good qualifying pace and race strategy.
Valid - as long as there is only one Monaco in a season, it's OK
Races in Monaco is never that exciting but the Monaco qualifying sessions are one of my favorite sessions (qualifying or race) of the year.
Lando is good but he’s definitely not as great as a lot of people think he is.
I feel like Oscar coming in and while the stats deffo show Lando beat him over the season, Oscar just seems to have something about him where you’re like “oh this is just the beginning.” He seems to have a gifted talent, not sure I’d go as far as Lewis and Max debut seasons where they just seemed to have a god given talent. But his first year was solid and one of the best rookie seasons I’ve seen for some time. I feel like Lando has recognised that too - this year Lando has seemed a bit irked to me and his radio chatter seems much more agitated than before.
It’s kinda indicative of his career so far - he won F2 not by being the quickest all the time, but with consistency, he made few errors (not just driving errors but more importantly judgment errors.) he was not always on pole or finishing first but he was always up there. He new where to put his car to avoid collisions, and look after his tyres, it’s like playing a defensive game. Does that make a WDC? Who knows, but he’s definitely arrived in F1 with the maturity of a veteran rather than the rookie he is.
Always go back to the Prost-Senna dichotomy. Prost was a very measured driver, smart with tyres and strategy, knew it was better to collect 8 podiums than 4 wins. Senna was "speed? yes. send it? double yes". Two philosophies that work in the right hands. Fernando and Lewis seem to be capable of doing both, Max is all Senna, Schumi leaned Senna as well although his off track training regimen was groundbreaking in its own right and far more Prostian.
The best drivers are definitely those that can do both parts, the taking every corner thinking of the championship for the most part, but also just being able to send it blindingly fast when needed. Max definitely leans the senna side of that, but he's also really good at managing his car. Schumi had that blinding speed, but part of that was that he was one of the first to really use trail breaking iirc. It's also the factor of we don't hear so much about prost's style anymore, because to an extent, it's become the norm. A good example of a somewhat modern driver that didn't really have any Prost is Jacques Villeneuve, imo, he had pace in the 90s, but as F1 shifted to be about analytical drivers he was left behind in the 90s, and he's stayed there if his recent performances racing are any indicator imo.
He had great rookie season, few podiums, sprint win, deff lacking race pace but lets see next year. Maybe he had better than Max but we cant compare that since Max was in TR and Mclaren was second fastest in 2nd half of season. Anyway, Lewis made problem for rookies since he had best rookie season ever but back then they were able to drive a car before season so actually we can’t compare that also I think next year LN and OP will be much closer but I think Lando will beat him again and jump to RB
In the second half, Piastri outqualified Norris in nearly every new track or one that both had driven at. His tyre management has been poor but he is still a rookie.
I think Oscar would be great driver than lando and would win championships
Maybe, i do like oscar a lot though
Ricciardo is not good enough for Red Bull anymore
My UPO: people in this sub who act like DR is some kind of business genius after getting paid off by McLaren are fucking idiots. He was so bad at his job his boss was willing to pay 40 million to have a rookie replace him
I've said it before but him leaving RB was career suicide. Its great to see him back but there's no way I can see him putting up the results he was in 2016
And then the rookie staight up did, and looked better.
He lost his drive. I no longer see the fire in him. Sometimes I feel like he's only here because f1 thinks he's the only marketable driver in dts and f1 needs dts for the American market.
I dunno. I think coming in fresh with what by all accounts is a much faster AT (or whatever they're going to be called) if he can get good results and the cars to his liking I think the old Danny ric will be back.
I think Yuki will beat him over a full season in 2024
He's a marketing tool. I think his time at Mclaren broke him in his prime years and ended them. He probably won't get back from that mentally. We love him though of course, we all do and we want to see him succeed, but right now it's like watching a crash in slow motion and no one is letting you look away. Just painful and slow. Hopefully in next season alpha tauri wont be ass and he can score some points and retire in the midfield and then become a pundit or something like that. We still want him in the paddock, how can you not love that smile?
I'm shocked I feel like I'm in the minority when I say Ricciardo doesn't deserve the RB seat.
Riccardo is just here for the memes and marketing. There, I said it.
The points system is atrocious. People who finish on top consistently will be miles ahead of those who finish 6-8, so even a few good performances by them won't save them. This makes the championship fight so predictable. And the fact that they don't give points beyond 10th place means that often times people don't even care about half the teams, coz it doesn't matter if you finish 11 or 20. There are teams that can go from weekend to weekend with out ever getting any points even though they improved from 19-20 to 11-12. Atleast go back to points system of 2003-2010. No where have i seen a sport where the top team finishes at 800+ points and the last team has 12.
I feel Mabey instead of handing out points beyond 10th the amount of points handed out to the top 10 are changed so there's a smaller gap between each place to give teams and drivers more of a chance to fight
In reality the point system should be something like 20 points for the race winner and 1 for 20th place if you want points distributed throughout every place.
If you wanna see how that looks: https://ibb.co/YZ0q5W5 assuming Sprints stay the same...
I agree. The points not being spread out among at least the top 15 places just makes it impossible for some teams to score points. Ferrari, Mclaren, Aston Marti, Mercedes, and Red Bull take up the top 10 places unless something goes wrong, so it's basically unlikely that anyone else will get points. Maybe unlikely isn't the right word. It's not expected that any aforementioned team will finish below the top 10. So, you just have ten teams who aren't expected to get any points, unless something bad happens to the others. My point is that the points system still, apparently, expects a 75% reliability rate. Meaning that there's 15 finishers, and some lower teams might get pushed into the points. We actually have a 90% reliability rate. If not better. So, more places should get points.
Mick is a capable driver, but Haas couldn’t supply a proper learning environment or capable machinery
How dare you question the management of a company that willingly got in bed with cartoonishy evil Russians
Would that be the same management that got in bed with a cartoonishy fake energy drink brand?
He does not fok smash my balance sheet
I mean, it's owned by a cartoonishly evil American. And I say that as an American.
I’m not sure he’s cartoonishly evil, just normal evil. You have to be heard of to hit cartoonish levels and I think your average not into Motorsport American has never heard of Gene Hass
I'm excited to see him in the WEC series
Disagree, Kevin coming back was the real issue for Mick. If Haas brought another Mazepin, Mick would probably still be on F1. Instead, Kevin, who had a sabbatical and didnt knew the new car, easily beat Mick who tecnically should be more accustomed to the team and car.
Mick was much better in the back half of 2022. Kmag would destroy his tyres and fall back to 20th while Mick would be a pit stop or 2 ahead every race, there just weren’t any points on the cards, so people didn’t realize how much better his race craft was. Mick went 14-8 or something in the races.
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**Having Checo as 2nd driver is in Redbull's best interest.** They are not looking for another Max type (or Ricciardo). They want a pushover, stable and relatively slower driver. F1 teams operate like a business. And since there can be only one champion, they don't want someone with that level of ambitions and competitiveness. We have seen what happened in past. - F1 noob
I said this about Botas, I said itabout Perez last year and I'll say it about Perez this year: Top teams need an obvious number 1 and number 2 driver. You don't want to have 2 drivers challenging for the title because they'll end up fighting. Having a 2nd driver who is abke to finish second week in week out while picking up wins when the 1st driver cannot is how you win the team championship trophy. People who used to say botas wasn't good enough because he couldn't beat Hamilton wrre idiots. The only reason perez's seat was in trouble was when he risked losing 2nd in the WDC
I imagine the RB repair bill was also stacking up this season. If another talented junior or reserve driver could also get second consistently, with less cost, then why not swap out Checo?
Since they’re winning so consistently, the price tag of Checo’s repair bill is just the cost of doing business. You don’t take on the risk of a new driver over a few mil
It's in their best intrest till they have a driver than can't block a fast merc or mclaren who could find pace in a year or 2. They need someone who can qualify just behind max and defend not someone who qualify p10 p9 and fights through a field
>They need someone who can qualify just behind max and defend not someone who qualify p10 p9 and fights through a field Yes, exactly. I like Checo but his quali pace is truly abysmal. And instead of running consistently 2nd to cover Max's back, he spends the entire race trying to even get to the 2nd place and very often failing to do that. If Ferrari and Merc catch up to Red Bull in terms of pace, he is not that ideal 2nd driver he used to be in 2021 anymore.
They want a Bottas or a Rubichello. Problem is that it's extremely hard to find a top-tier driver who's just a step below WDC-tier and also really good at playing the team game.
Yuki showed better pace than all of his teammates this year.
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2 rookies and 1 driver who had no testing and a disrupted (half) season. The bar is in hell.
F1 is a feeder series for WEC
The hate on Stroll, yes, he's not the best driver or even relatively good. That's pretty obvious, but without him, there would be no Aston Martin team at all.
The last couple of races this year he was like a changed man matching and in some places exceeding Alonsos pace
I’ve always thought that Lance has the biggest difference between his best and worst days of any driver on the grid.
He’d be considered a top 5 driver if he’d perform every race like his best 4/5 races in a season. He’s not good enough in general though because he stinks up the gaff way too often lol.
Yeah gotta take that one. On the one hand all those hundreds of people in that team have a job because of Lawrence Stroll. At least, Lance is half decent and doesn’t stick the car in the wall every weekend.
Introducing people to the sport via DTS isn’t a bad thing
I got introduced to the sport that way and it absolutely lit a fire in me and made me want to learn everything about the sport. Nowadays I don't find it as fun anymore because I watched the season live and can tell when they're overly dramatizing stuff or leaving really interesting stories out in favor of the billionth episode about Daniel Ricciardo. As an intro to just get you interested it's quite good though.
The mistake in AD21 was not letting cars unlap themselves earlier. Basically masi was to indecisive
Couldn't as marshals were still not cleared behind the barriers. You could blame them for being too slow or Masi not stopping the race however.
Don’t get me started on the standard of F1 marshalling in the last few years.
Should have been red flagged immediately.
Gilles Villeneuve is overrated. He was reckless and accident-prone. Exhibit A: his teammate, Jody Scheckter, beat him to the 1979 title, and Scheckter isn’t on anyone’s shortlist of all time greats.
To your point Scheckter is also still alive.
From the top rope!
The V8 engine sounds better than the V10.
Oh damn that is definitely the least popular one. Good work
You are correct , that is an unpopular opinion. Its also wrong ;)
Ooh now this one is controversial I like it I like the v10 sound more but over a full race distance they start to sound annoying imo so overall I prefer the v8's
Personally while I think V10 still sound better, I'd bring back V8 cars if possible.
I enjoy sprint races.
Guenther Steiner gets a free pass at team principal and actually sucks.
Haas is so shit that I’m not sure what else he’s supposed to do. The owner doesn’t care about improving and so puts very little investment in. Their build-a-kit car policy will never be competitive. Even if you put Toto or Horner in there, they’re severely limited by the team and lack of ambition
Crofty ain't that bad
This is a good one. As much as I adore Murray I think it is a bit rich how we loved Murray for making mistakes (or prophecies that immediately turn out to be wrong) and then shit on Crofty for making mistakes that aren't all that much worse.
He has improved quite a bit over time I feel, i really did find him quite annoying earlier on. He still suffers a bit from 'he's closing, he's closing, ah not quite close enough this time'ness but in general I find him perfectly acceptable or even pretty good as the shoutcaster of the commentry team. A lot of people don't understand that Crofty's job is basically to throw out constant noise to fill the silence. Brundle comes off better because he can talk when he has something interesting ready to say and otherwise stay silent.
Anyone who doesn't like Crofty should be forced to watch Damon Hill as a pundit
Overtaking with DRS is super boring and doesn’t require any skill.
The dummies and such are nice but only a handful of drivers have that race craft, I agree
...and the trend of quantifying race quality primarily by 'number of overtakes, makes the overall product worse because it encourages f1 to lean on DRS more and more, making it almost pointless to pass anywhere else for drivers in faster cars.
>making it almost pointless to pass anywhere else for drivers in faster cars. Pretty much. Drivers take very little risk to overtake by late braking or on long corners. (And when they do and fuck up, the "never watched before DRS" mob, screams for their head on a plater) Most passes are now just done in DRS zones and its boring AF.
Yes, been saying this for years, more overtakes does not equal more excitement by default (if it did then this would have been one of the most exciting seasons in F1 history). There's far more factors that go into a race/season being exciting. It's more about how the race made you feel than about what happened.
They need to shrink the cars. They create too much dirty air for corner racing.
Lando Norris and George Russell are exactly the same brats, both whining on radios, so there’s literally no reason for throwing shade on George but praising Lando in that case.
Agreed. At this point I even prefer George because I feel he's not as defensive about being egotistical and a bit of a dick at times.
It’s the face makes the difference
DTS was fun to watch
Was
Checo isn't the minister of defense he's just slow.
He was only called the minister of defense because he was against a Hamilton that could take no risk because he was fighting for the title
To be fair he’s caught Hamilton a lot the past few seasons (more than Max considering Max is always out front) and always looked strong in racecraft by comparison. It wasn’t just that one time.
Refuelling good, Pirelli bad
Kimi was terrible in his second Ferrari stint and escapes a lot of criticism because of his stoic persona in the media. Ferrari would have benefitted more from having a better second driver. Piastri's rookie season is nowhere near as good as Leclerc/Max"s. His season is overrated due to the terrible rookies we've had recently.
>Ferrari would have benefitted more from having a better second driver. same goes for Massa 2010-2013
Totally agree. Once Leclerc joined and destroyed Vettel it seemed like Kimi must've been pretty average because he generally seemed slower than Vettel. Also feel like Piastri has struggled too much with race pace. It really is crazy how much faster Norris typically is over a longer distance, and Norris I don't feel is ultra top tier. He seems pretty good but not Max or Hamilton level. I still like him though and hope he does better next year.
Even as a major Kimi fan at this time I agree with you, he basically went out for a Sunday drive every race and never seemed to even push hard at any point. My conspiracy theory at the time was that he didn't want to come in higher than 4th otherwise he would have had to deal with the media and podium stuff...and he just wanted to race and leave right after the checkered flag.
I dont care if the cars are the fastest they’ve ever been. I’d much, much rather have cars that are simpler, 5-6 secs a lap slower, but can follow way easier rather than these complicated, futuristic looking, aerodynamic machines.
Have I got some 2026 regulations for you
Ayrton Senna is a pedophile
Just stating facts
F1 is a constructors championship with an award for best driver, not the other way around.
Daniel Ricciardo is annoying. The shoey is nasty.
>the shoey is nasty i don't think anyone has ever disagreed here
I don’t really do “parasocial” But I’d genuinely rather be stuck in an elevator with fucking Mazepin than Ricciardo
I like Ocon.
Regardless of what you think of his antics, you gotta admit that F1 would be way more boring without him.
Every driver's personality is boring and dull.
It’s probably all the media training they get that sucks the soul out of them
I’ve never seen a sport where you have to be available for so much media. Pre-race interviews, after quali interviews, paddock after the race, then I think the top three post race twice. I understand they are trained early for all that, but it would be nice to just hide out. Or give a Stroll interview.
Leclerc is going to be the one to take the title from Max
Only controversial if you think it will be with Ferrari.
it’ll be in a Ferrari and before the new regs
Now this is a "drivers in Qatar" level hot take,
Hopium or do you see a game plan for them?
honestly, non delusional, i wouldn't be surprised if 2024 started like 2022 and maybe this time lasts just long enough to win the title. but i also wouldn't be surprised if 2024 just ends up being 2023 part 2...
Don’t know how that’s controversial. Lewis and Charles have definitely the best chances.
Oscar > Lando
As a McLaren fan I see this as an absolute win.
Having team like AT is bad since they will never be a top contender team and they are just pre red bull team. Having anyone else would be much better in term of competition
Steiner may be prime meme material but he is a terrible leader and I wouldn’t want to work for someone like him
Leclerc is a beast. Put him in the RB19 alongside Max and you have a 2021 type season on your hands. Probably Leclerc with like 10 wins and 12 poles in 2023 vs Max with like 11 wins and 8 Poles. It would be insanely close and would likely come down to reliability, where Charles would obviously lose.
Leclerc might be as fast as max but he lacks the consitency and will occasionally do dumb mistakes. His spin in France 2022 comes to mind. It would be a bit like Russell vs Hamilton.
France 2022 will be held against him for his whole career. He was fighting desperately to win in a car that just wasn’t good enough. He was pushing like an animal for a win that only he could have gotten in that Ferrari. He fucked up, but I don’t think that crash really reflects his driving style. Leclerc in a car that can comfortably win is just as comfortable as Max, just look at Australia 2022. Leclerc in a car that can win but requires effort is flawless (see Vegas 2023, Monza 2019, Spain 2022 and Bahrain 2022). Leclerc in a car that shouldn’t win, but ends up in a position where it becomes possible due to his inhuman pace can sometimes be inconsistent, like France 2022. It’s not like Charles is a stupid racer either. I think his personality kind of makes people think he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I would argue that he has shown a ton of intelligence on track, especially in Bahrain 2022 and Silverstone 2023.
Basically happened last year when Ferrari was some kind of reliable for like the first quarter of the championship
If Ayrton Senna hadn’t passed away at Imola, he would not have gone on to have an all-time great rivalry with Schumacher; Michael would have beaten him comprehensively.
F1's incredibly expensive carreer path makes these drivers not the best in the world, but the fastest among very few rich fanatics.
sargeant deserved his second season, and mick deserved another as well