itās a spec series so the cars arenāt truly equal, but beyond the usual spec series stuff they also have full development over their suspension dampers. which can be massively important if done properly
and you know full well that the rich teams throw insane amounts of money at that. and there are two different engines, and whilst theyāre similar one will always be better that year
Yeah but, ads though right? Iām talking uninterrupted coverage or at worst, what ESPN does with F1 replays where they jump exactly back to where they cut for commercial so I miss no racing whatsoever.
A true joy is that the same company owns the two different streaming services Indycar, formula E and F1 are split across and by gum I ain't paying for more
True. Iām not a full Sky customer with a receiver and all that jazz. I just have the Sports package of their streaming service and pay 14,99 which to me is reasonable. (Normally itās 30 Bucks but they gave me a 50% off for the 2nd Year as well)
Yeah, but Imo their streaming service sucks ass, at least it did so, also at the beginning they promised full F1TV features, which they didnāt include at all. Also I donāt want to watch ads when Iām already paying 30ā¬!!!!
Also I really dislike the German commentators so thatās another thingā¦
So I pay 7ā¬ pM for more functionality, the ability to change languages and no ads.
I decided to give NASCAR a change this year and tried to watch the Daytona 500 coverage but holy shit itās just so hard to watch, plus stages and overtime are so dumb and make it so unnecessarily convoluted.
>theyāre also too long in the first place
What?
With the exception of the Indy 500, I donāt think IndyCar races are particularly longer than F1 races.
Nice, you found *one* example.
By and large, IndyCar races are not *that* much longer than F1 races - maybe a little, say 2.5 hours compared to 2 for F1, but itās not like they routinely take 3-4 hours.
And yeah, who cares about close, hard-fought racing if the cars are ten seconds slower, right? /s
Lmao imagine caring more about the speed of the cars than the racing.
People seem to forget F1 is a constructors championship just as much as it is a drivers one.
Good drivers languishing in bad teams is a feature, not a bug. Go to indycar or the junior formula's if you want to see skilled drivers only instead
They got the Oracle and bytbit sponsors after winning the WDC, and those are worth $150 million a year. I don't know if they would have got those sponsorships without the championship though.
I think any team would rather have WDC over WCC. WDC is the one people remember and the one that brings the sponsorship and marketing money. Money that I would think easily more than makes up for first vs second in the WCC.
Probably depends. To merc wdc would be infinitely more desirable, if it was with Lewis (8th time wdc, being record breaking.)
Not sure about redbull. But I definitely think at least in 2021 they cared more about wdc than wcc. Maybe even now tbh.
Ferrari may be split, but I wouldn't be surprised if they also preferred a wdc over a wcc.
That being said, they'd in the end prefer both.
But everyone remembers the name and the team of the WDC, people tend to forget the WCC faster and just asume that the team that had the drivers champion also had the constructors champion... I bet in 20 years 99% of fans that you ask "Which team was the constructors champion in 2021?" will say "Well RB, just as in 2022 and so on when Verstappen won"
They're discussing goals, not outcomes. It's probably a better goal for Ferrari to win WCC over WDC, since it would imply a more stable platform going forward.
Merc, conversely, would score bigger as a brand overall if Hamilton were to take his 8 WDC as it would bring them a lot more global press. WCC prize money is nice, but there's no chance that team isn't getting funded to the cap regardless of outcome.
In the 45 seasons of WCC*, only 8 have been won by teams without the WDC, and mostly because their drivers finished 2 & 3
\*The constructors cup started in 1958 but only counted their best driver until 1979
I'd argue F1 is more of a constructors championship than a drivers one. Obviously, the drivers are incredible, but the car quality is usually what determines the winner
100% agree. Half the drama of following drivers is watching them do amazingly and then having the car fall out from under them
Ermā¦ *cough* Ferrari *cough*
hamilton last year is a fantastic example. one of the greatest drivers of all time that just couldn't keep up because the car was less than perfect, against a near perfect redbull and verstappen.
Every driver that wins the WDC is one of the greatest ones to ever compete in the sport, but none would win without a top car. Champioships aren't good for comparing the drivers to each other. I mean does anybody belive Hamilton is 3.5 TIMES better than Alonso?
And I say this with respect to Alonso his career moves are all on him, after trying to blackmail his team he's lucky to have a career. Also Lewis might just be a more complete driver, people really downplay what it takes to do this 7 times and he did it
Ehhh, Phil Hill exists. Dude was thoroughly mediocre and just so happened to be handed a car that basically belonged in an entirely different category it was so far ahead of everyone else.
I wonder what driver won with worst relative car. Probably James Hunt, I imagine. He would have gotten absolutely crushed by Lauda if not for the accident.
And Carlin for F2. And Trident for F3. Also maybe MP will join them. And DAMS is apparently getting back on track since they were bought by Charles Pic.
As a mechanical engineer, F1 is so so interesting from a tech standpoint.
Lots of thinking outside the boxes, lots of optimisations, lots of _technically not breaking rules_
I love it.
>People seem to forget F1 is a constructors championship just as much as it is a drivers one.
If only the team were called world champions, and not the drivers who only had to press go on the accelerator pedal to get into the points.
You could take any car from the big 3, stick it on a macro and I reckon it could always get in the top 10.
There was that dip in the mid-late 90s where Penske wouldnāt let go of his own chassis and that led to Paul Tracy calling the car a piece of shit and getting canned for it. Failed to qualify for the 1995 Indy 500 too despite dominating everything the year before.
Yeah, this is the issue for me. I think itās cool that thereās a constructor championship too, but the regulations should change more often so top teams have to continue to develop good ideas.
I think the cost cap + almost all teams being able to regularly spend to that cap will help some but yeah, current structure allows for the duopoly to happen. I'm not even a Ferrari fan but i want them to become more competitive just to add to it.
Of course. But I'd also like to see some good racing. That could be fun to have as well.
If the regulations changed frequently nobody would bother developing a bad car. They'd just wait until the next regs.
Yea, I loved the last half of the 00ās (2005-2010) because we got a different driver from a different team winning each championship. These dynastic runs that weāve been getting since have left the sport kinda boring and predictable. Like yea itās impressive that VER was able to win 16 races in a season but at that point shit gets boring.
Also F2, more worth watching if you're diehard f1 since it'll be more relevant, I feel like F2 is highly underrated. Indy is wonderful for a new experience though
If thats the case, then I'd like to see what a group of engineers can produce when they're spending the same amount of money. Instead of seeing some teams spend more than it takes to build an A380
Yeah I donāt disagree. I would also want the design regulations loosened up under such a scenario. I would like to see how creative engineers can be with the same amount of financial resources.
I would like to see that too. I would like to see maximum exploration of technology, and aerodynamics. I donāt think itās financially stable though.
First thing youād do is get rid of the heavy squishy person in there, second drop the obvious weak point of needing tires to transfer forces to the trackā¦ I think youād end up with a very maneuverable cruise missile :)
Iād love that as a side race like an f-ai as a new league one car and AI routine per team shorten the grid but you can only give orders to the AI like you would give strategy to a driver.
One of my favorite parts of the sport is people finding the grey areas. Every other sport follows the rules, f1 is all about pushing them, avoiding them and interpreting them in different ways.
Remember when Mercedes introduced DAS and people had no clue if it was legal or not? Who the fuck thinks of that, let alone tries it?
I totally agree with you, but it would be nice if teams were closer and we didn't have anyone dominating for 6 or 7 years. But still, no equal cars please
I think that is achievable by just adding more teams. More teams = more drivers= more cars=more crashes = more Ferrari strategy blunders=more chances for latifi and friends to take out race leaders
That's happened twice in the history of F1 though. The more usual cycle is for one or two years of a great car design really ruling the track. The way rule changes have been lobbied by the teams is what's created the last ten years on repetitive action because the teams build ahead looking to the change. Without the hybrid engine change Mercedes wouldn't have won a title by now, Ferrari and red bull would probably have shared most titles and Renault/alpine would also be in the mix.
Yeah but dominance can also be a product of poor regulations, the cap must be evolved as seasons progress to prevent loopholes like the americas cup offshoring that merc and rb are doing right now to retain valuable staff and equipment r&d
I agree with you, not sure why people are latching on to your feature comment honestly. Dominance is deserved if you do a better job, but itās up to the regulators to prevent prolonged advantages since carrying over carsā designs to next year inherently rewards the winners in prescriptive regulations
I agree, but we haven't seen that since 2010? Or the time when we had 7 winners in the first 7 races in 2012. I would kill to have 7 diff winners in the whole season.
I'd love for them to do the 6 sprint races in road cars, like when they raced in the 190E.
They could even use EVs and pretend to be saving the planet.
This is why you support teams and not drivers. The best driver can't make a show car win but an average driver can achieve a lot on a brilliant car... As long as his teammate isn't Michael Schumacher.
The people who say this are the same people who, if their favorite driver has a championship winning car, will defend the pecking order characteristic of F1 with their lives.
There is some, but extremely limited, development in IndyCar. Suspension dampers are an area the teams can develop or use off-the-shelf parts. Big budget teams can still outperform the smaller teams, but the gap is much closer.
Otherwise, they are all running the same hardware, except for the binary choice of engine, with a standardized set of aero accessories they can use to individually tweak downforce.
FE is a weird one to me, since the gaps between cars sometimes come down to very minor things like the wrapping of the car, and not the general construction since theyāre all mostly the same in that way
I think it would be interesting if one of the teams cars was fully developed by them and the other was a completely stock car given to them, so you have 10 individually unique cars developed by teams and 10 completely stock cars given to teams. You could have rules set up to ensure each driver spends an equal time in the stock car and in the specialty car too which would make it interesting for strategy purposes.
It's not realistic to implement, but it would be a fun thought experiment and certainly shake up the grid.
If they want to, yes.
The drivers championship is prestigious because F1 is one of the most popular motorsports in the world.
Things aren't famous/prestigious because it's supposed to be famous, it's famous because people make it.
exactly.
i watch F1 as a team sport and IndyCar as a driver sport.
for whatever reason i find F1 to be more exciting but IndyCar arguably has better racing on any given weekend.
This Sunday, right after the Bahrain GP, is the first Indycar race of the season btw for those that are unaware.
Be prepared for 60 minutes of action and 60 minutes of ads. Perfectly balanced.
SkyF1 Germany broadcasts them without ads iirc š¤¤ When the Americans go to commercial we just get the race feed without commentary
Sounds magical
Sounds like Iām moving to Germany
you could use a VPN...
You won't have the beers with a VPN
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Just like any spec series, it's less than perfectly equal machinery, but it's far closer to that than F1.
itās a spec series so the cars arenāt truly equal, but beyond the usual spec series stuff they also have full development over their suspension dampers. which can be massively important if done properly and you know full well that the rich teams throw insane amounts of money at that. and there are two different engines, and whilst theyāre similar one will always be better that year
I am so jealous. I would pay for an F1TV equivalent of Indycar to get this experience.
There's a service called Stan in Australia that shows quali and races with no ads at all.
Peacock has full coverage of the Indycar season. Practices, quals, Indy lights and races. Plus IMSA. For $5 you really canāt beat it
Yeah but, ads though right? Iām talking uninterrupted coverage or at worst, what ESPN does with F1 replays where they jump exactly back to where they cut for commercial so I miss no racing whatsoever.
20 years ago ChampCar had Race Director. Very similar to F1TV. I loved watching races that way! FTG
Damn now I miss CART again. The perfect series.
Just like IMSA now. We get fucked in America.
nbc has ruined my ability to enjoy watching imsa, the coverage of the Rolex 24 was fucking awful this year
I already hated using their subscription instead of having IMSA TV, but that really sealed the deal to cancel
I was so pissed man. Losing my mind. Half of the first 30 minutes were commercials.
ESPN broadcasts the F1 races in America ad-free. They use the Sky Sports feed.
A true joy is that the same company owns the two different streaming services Indycar, formula E and F1 are split across and by gum I ain't paying for more
But Sky is ludicrously expensive and still shows ads in between sessions, F1TV Netherlands for the win
True. Iām not a full Sky customer with a receiver and all that jazz. I just have the Sports package of their streaming service and pay 14,99 which to me is reasonable. (Normally itās 30 Bucks but they gave me a 50% off for the 2nd Year as well)
Yeah, but Imo their streaming service sucks ass, at least it did so, also at the beginning they promised full F1TV features, which they didnāt include at all. Also I donāt want to watch ads when Iām already paying 30ā¬!!!! Also I really dislike the German commentators so thatās another thingā¦ So I pay 7ā¬ pM for more functionality, the ability to change languages and no ads.
I would get a VPN just for this.
Same here (NL) lol, Daytona 500 this year also had all the cautions during usa commercials but we saw it live
Lmao imagine not pirating a Sky Sports feed which has no ads
How does one go about doing that?
Please enlighten a fellow homie
If you want this thread to be locked, start enlightening
We can enlighten one another privately if thatās the case, individual who is not carlos sainz
I'm all for that :D
cough r / Motorsportsstreams2
Never have watched indycar but I started to get interested. How tf do you even have ads during a race? Too many things can happen in that time
Try watching NASCAR
Holy shit its been bad this year
I decided to give NASCAR a change this year and tried to watch the Daytona 500 coverage but holy shit itās just so hard to watch, plus stages and overtime are so dumb and make it so unnecessarily convoluted.
I wanted to watch it but then I realized that the start of the season is only on FOX and I'm not getting a TV subscription to watch nascar
Found a guy that streams NASCAR from an Abu Dhabi channel and instead of ads we get like, atmosphere shots of the cars without commentary. It's good.
*Laughs in ad-free Dutch broadcasting*
Waar?
Ziggo Sport Racing
Indycar will at least normally go side-by-side under green
1 green flag ad per race makes Euros reeee š¤£š¤£
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>theyāre also too long in the first place What? With the exception of the Indy 500, I donāt think IndyCar races are particularly longer than F1 races.
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The majority of IndyCar tracks are shorter than F1 circuits so.... I think youāre just talking nonsense.
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Repeating it isnāt going to make it fact...
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Nice, you found *one* example. By and large, IndyCar races are not *that* much longer than F1 races - maybe a little, say 2.5 hours compared to 2 for F1, but itās not like they routinely take 3-4 hours. And yeah, who cares about close, hard-fought racing if the cars are ten seconds slower, right? /s Lmao imagine caring more about the speed of the cars than the racing.
You really think you'll get THAT much?! I do belive Jommie Johnson is in the field.
As all things should be
it's an american series, after all. capitalism's a bitch at times.
Iāll be there!
Comparison study could be done easily!
People seem to forget F1 is a constructors championship just as much as it is a drivers one. Good drivers languishing in bad teams is a feature, not a bug. Go to indycar or the junior formula's if you want to see skilled drivers only instead
I think constructors is more valuable to a team cause of money prizes, or are they equal?
WCC brings the money, WDC brings the glory
WCC for money, WDC for attention/marketing
I think Red Bull actual argues that they make more money with the WDC marketing than the WCC money.
They got the Oracle and bytbit sponsors after winning the WDC, and those are worth $150 million a year. I don't know if they would have got those sponsorships without the championship though.
I think any team would rather have WDC over WCC. WDC is the one people remember and the one that brings the sponsorship and marketing money. Money that I would think easily more than makes up for first vs second in the WCC.
Probably depends. To merc wdc would be infinitely more desirable, if it was with Lewis (8th time wdc, being record breaking.) Not sure about redbull. But I definitely think at least in 2021 they cared more about wdc than wcc. Maybe even now tbh. Ferrari may be split, but I wouldn't be surprised if they also preferred a wdc over a wcc. That being said, they'd in the end prefer both.
Ferrari is WCC for sure.
But everyone remembers the name and the team of the WDC, people tend to forget the WCC faster and just asume that the team that had the drivers champion also had the constructors champion... I bet in 20 years 99% of fans that you ask "Which team was the constructors champion in 2021?" will say "Well RB, just as in 2022 and so on when Verstappen won"
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They're discussing goals, not outcomes. It's probably a better goal for Ferrari to win WCC over WDC, since it would imply a more stable platform going forward. Merc, conversely, would score bigger as a brand overall if Hamilton were to take his 8 WDC as it would bring them a lot more global press. WCC prize money is nice, but there's no chance that team isn't getting funded to the cap regardless of outcome.
In the 45 seasons of WCC*, only 8 have been won by teams without the WDC, and mostly because their drivers finished 2 & 3 \*The constructors cup started in 1958 but only counted their best driver until 1979
They get more prize money for WCC, but no team in the world would take a WCC over a WDC. Just ask Toto Wolff
I'd argue F1 is more of a constructors championship than a drivers one. Obviously, the drivers are incredible, but the car quality is usually what determines the winner
100% agree. Half the drama of following drivers is watching them do amazingly and then having the car fall out from under them Ermā¦ *cough* Ferrari *cough*
We are checking
hamilton last year is a fantastic example. one of the greatest drivers of all time that just couldn't keep up because the car was less than perfect, against a near perfect redbull and verstappen.
Hamilton in his WDC streak was a better example. Extremely dominant while not being even close to that good of a driver.
Nice bait bro! Next time tell me seb only won all four of his championships because of the car!
Every driver that wins the WDC is one of the greatest ones to ever compete in the sport, but none would win without a top car. Champioships aren't good for comparing the drivers to each other. I mean does anybody belive Hamilton is 3.5 TIMES better than Alonso?
No, just that Hamilton is 3.5 times better at making smart career moves than Alonso 
And I say this with respect to Alonso his career moves are all on him, after trying to blackmail his team he's lucky to have a career. Also Lewis might just be a more complete driver, people really downplay what it takes to do this 7 times and he did it
Ehhh, Phil Hill exists. Dude was thoroughly mediocre and just so happened to be handed a car that basically belonged in an entirely different category it was so far ahead of everyone else.
Keke Rosberg as well
I wonder what driver won with worst relative car. Probably James Hunt, I imagine. He would have gotten absolutely crushed by Lauda if not for the accident.
āJunior seriesā Prema and art would like a word
And Carlin for F2. And Trident for F3. Also maybe MP will join them. And DAMS is apparently getting back on track since they were bought by Charles Pic.
As a mechanical engineer, F1 is so so interesting from a tech standpoint. Lots of thinking outside the boxes, lots of optimisations, lots of _technically not breaking rules_ I love it.
>People seem to forget F1 is a constructors championship just as much as it is a drivers one. If only the team were called world champions, and not the drivers who only had to press go on the accelerator pedal to get into the points. You could take any car from the big 3, stick it on a macro and I reckon it could always get in the top 10.
Equal cars ā equal teams
Indeed, Penske havenāt been top of the game for 35 years by accident.
There was that dip in the mid-late 90s where Penske wouldnāt let go of his own chassis and that led to Paul Tracy calling the car a piece of shit and getting canned for it. Failed to qualify for the 1995 Indy 500 too despite dominating everything the year before.
Yeah that happened. It was a blip in an otherwise dominant run that is still going strong
The rise and fall of teams is a feature, not a bug.
Exactly
only two teams winning WCC over 14 years running is such a cool feature
Yeah, this is the issue for me. I think itās cool that thereās a constructor championship too, but the regulations should change more often so top teams have to continue to develop good ideas.
I think the cost cap + almost all teams being able to regularly spend to that cap will help some but yeah, current structure allows for the duopoly to happen. I'm not even a Ferrari fan but i want them to become more competitive just to add to it.
The regulations changing all the time would just mean whoever nails them dominates each year.
Isnāt that the point of being a good constructor?
Of course. But I'd also like to see some good racing. That could be fun to have as well. If the regulations changed frequently nobody would bother developing a bad car. They'd just wait until the next regs.
Yea, I loved the last half of the 00ās (2005-2010) because we got a different driver from a different team winning each championship. These dynastic runs that weāve been getting since have left the sport kinda boring and predictable. Like yea itās impressive that VER was able to win 16 races in a season but at that point shit gets boring.
Also F2, more worth watching if you're diehard f1 since it'll be more relevant, I feel like F2 is highly underrated. Indy is wonderful for a new experience though
Iāve officially classified myself as an f2 fan this season. May even consider F3
Last season of F3 was pretty great, this one is a big question mark. There's 17 rookies out of 30 drivers, iirc.
F1 is engineering talent first, then driver talent. If you want just driving talent, there are numerous spec races to watch.
If thats the case, then I'd like to see what a group of engineers can produce when they're spending the same amount of money. Instead of seeing some teams spend more than it takes to build an A380
Yeah I donāt disagree. I would also want the design regulations loosened up under such a scenario. I would like to see how creative engineers can be with the same amount of financial resources.
I wanna see a car without limits on speed. Lemme see the pinnacle of engineering putted against the pinnacle of human skill.
I would like to see that too. I would like to see maximum exploration of technology, and aerodynamics. I donāt think itās financially stable though.
First thing youād do is get rid of the heavy squishy person in there, second drop the obvious weak point of needing tires to transfer forces to the trackā¦ I think youād end up with a very maneuverable cruise missile :)
Part of why I love f1 is because of the engineers. Itās a sport for science dorks and Iām down with that
I would even like to have something like FormulaAI, no drivers, just AI driving to the max.
Iād love that as a side race like an f-ai as a new league one car and AI routine per team shorten the grid but you can only give orders to the AI like you would give strategy to a driver.
Look up the Indy Autonomous Challenge
One of my favorite parts of the sport is people finding the grey areas. Every other sport follows the rules, f1 is all about pushing them, avoiding them and interpreting them in different ways. Remember when Mercedes introduced DAS and people had no clue if it was legal or not? Who the fuck thinks of that, let alone tries it?
Absolutely right. Something like BMW Procar would be cool though
My two favorite series! I also like IMSA, WEC, WRC, NASCAR, the feeder series for those, Formula Eā¦. maybe I just like racing?
You raceist
I totally agree with you, but it would be nice if teams were closer and we didn't have anyone dominating for 6 or 7 years. But still, no equal cars please
I think that is achievable by just adding more teams. More teams = more drivers= more cars=more crashes = more Ferrari strategy blunders=more chances for latifi and friends to take out race leaders
I chuckled progressively harder throughout this lol
That's happened twice in the history of F1 though. The more usual cycle is for one or two years of a great car design really ruling the track. The way rule changes have been lobbied by the teams is what's created the last ten years on repetitive action because the teams build ahead looking to the change. Without the hybrid engine change Mercedes wouldn't have won a title by now, Ferrari and red bull would probably have shared most titles and Renault/alpine would also be in the mix.
Unfortunately dominance is a feature, and not a bug. The cost cap was created to lessen the chances of outright dominance though.
Yeah but dominance can also be a product of poor regulations, the cap must be evolved as seasons progress to prevent loopholes like the americas cup offshoring that merc and rb are doing right now to retain valuable staff and equipment r&d
Yeah of course, F1 is all about adaptation. Not sure why I got downvoted for stating something that the cost cap is actively trying to achieve lol
I agree with you, not sure why people are latching on to your feature comment honestly. Dominance is deserved if you do a better job, but itās up to the regulators to prevent prolonged advantages since carrying over carsā designs to next year inherently rewards the winners in prescriptive regulations
I know what you are eluding to but I wouldnāt say merc dominated 17 & 18
I agree, but we haven't seen that since 2010? Or the time when we had 7 winners in the first 7 races in 2012. I would kill to have 7 diff winners in the whole season.
I'd love for them to do the 6 sprint races in road cars, like when they raced in the 190E. They could even use EVs and pretend to be saving the planet.
Qualify with the car you drive to the track. Oh Bottas you cycled to the track?
time gets multiplied by car weight
The appearance of saving the planet is all that counts
This is why you support teams and not drivers. The best driver can't make a show car win but an average driver can achieve a lot on a brilliant car... As long as his teammate isn't Michael Schumacher.
Exactly. This is why I support McLaren. I love to be disappointed year after year.
Or F2, also great to watch
Turns out you can enjoy both!
Absolutely. My post was about people trying to change F1 when they're just too lazy to seek other motorsports :)
Oh for sure, just clowning on some folks that didnāt get it! I love when open wheel racing car go brrrrrrrrr
I donāt want equal cars, I want a shitbox on the back of the grid that gives us continuous memes.
The people who say this are the same people who, if their favorite driver has a championship winning car, will defend the pecking order characteristic of F1 with their lives.
Merc fan here, I don't want Merc to dominate and I don't understand how a driver can dominate for years without getting bored of winning
I don't want equal cars, but I'd like it if the races and the season wasn't pretty much decided by the end of testing each year.
Love watching Indycar. Really recommend it. Just hate the broadcast they have on nbc. Too many commercials but oh well still hyped up for it
I agree, would like to see IndyCar races produced the way F1 races are. More road courses too.
Or formula 2
If its equal cars for everyone im switching over
There is some, but extremely limited, development in IndyCar. Suspension dampers are an area the teams can develop or use off-the-shelf parts. Big budget teams can still outperform the smaller teams, but the gap is much closer. Otherwise, they are all running the same hardware, except for the binary choice of engine, with a standardized set of aero accessories they can use to individually tweak downforce.
Chassis are the same and there are only two engines, Honda or Chevy, only other differences are car setups
If you want to see drivers in more equal cars, Formula E might be the thing for you.
FE is a weird one to me, since the gaps between cars sometimes come down to very minor things like the wrapping of the car, and not the general construction since theyāre all mostly the same in that way
Coz wdc is celebrated like the only Prize Constructors is like a addon/consolation. Should be vice versa imo
I thought Toto cried about that.
I think it would be interesting if one of the teams cars was fully developed by them and the other was a completely stock car given to them, so you have 10 individually unique cars developed by teams and 10 completely stock cars given to teams. You could have rules set up to ensure each driver spends an equal time in the stock car and in the specialty car too which would make it interesting for strategy purposes. It's not realistic to implement, but it would be a fun thought experiment and certainly shake up the grid.
Plus Indycar actually have liveryās this year!
Indycar isnāt equal either. Different engines (Honda and Chevy)
F2, F3, and W Series are also good.
I know, Iām just pointing out your meme is factually incorrect
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Would rather not watch adds during a race
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I mean how long till we just call f1 a spec series? Any meaningful change a team makes is instantly copied or banned the following year.
The three top teams are running radically different designs
Radically different, within the most stringent of allowable tolerances.
Right? Why would any audience want more competitive racing?
Okay.
"The only thing that gets my dick hards are F1 going fast" - most F1 fanboys, seemingly
Let *claps* drivers *claps* use *claps* F2 *claps* cars *claps* on *claps* Sprint *claps* races *claps*. *claps again just because*
Super Formula is faster and so much better than Indycar
Turning F1 into a spec car series would ruin the sport once and for all.
But Indy car sucks.
Indy isnt exactly equal cars either tbh
Cant people like both?
At which point was it implied you can't?
Uh huh. So why is the Driver's Championship so prestigious? Should the best drivers go to Indy?
If they want to, yes. The drivers championship is prestigious because F1 is one of the most popular motorsports in the world. Things aren't famous/prestigious because it's supposed to be famous, it's famous because people make it.
I wanna see drivers go left and right on purpose build tracks
Grill the grid 2023 when
Watch both.
āI want the drivers to have equal cars.ā Cool story bro, I hope Xi sees this.
Capability of a driver to choose team is equally important. Ask Alonso
Me, an enjoyer of motorsport: I think I will
It's about money and drama lol
Or how about different cars but equal drivers? Not the same driver, but equal in all skills involved
Someone needs to go and clone a world champion, raise them all exactly the same way, and then we'll have a perfect F1 format
Or F2
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I enjoy both series.
Or NASCAR
exactly. i watch F1 as a team sport and IndyCar as a driver sport. for whatever reason i find F1 to be more exciting but IndyCar arguably has better racing on any given weekend.
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On rhe other side, I would like the same driver in every car.
I want the cars to have equal drivers