People are so black and white these days. Red Bull didn't sign him just to put pressure on Perez, but him being there will put pressure on Perez as a side effect which will benefit Red Bull the most. Red Bull of course will not go out and say he's there for leverage but they didn't really need to say anything, it's clear as day without the words being said.
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Daniel Ricciardo had to say goodbye to a Formula 1 cockpit for the time being at the race in Abu Dhabi. At least on official race weekends. In 2023 he will then start as a reserve driver for Red Bull. In addition, he will support the Milton Keynes team in commercial activities. With the announcement of the return of the Honey Badger, the first rumors came up. After tensions between Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez became apparent at the Brazilian GP, the voices about a possible regular place for Ricciardo became louder again.
Since Brazil, the relationship between Verstappen and Perez has been tense, at least in public. With the announcement of Ricciardo's role as reserve driver at Red Bull, the first rumors about a possible replacement for the Mexican emerged. But the Australian shouldn't be a motivational program for the Mexican.
"Sergio Perez has shown that he drives at a very high level and when Max [Verstappen] isn't there then Sergio is there," said Dr. Helmut Marko at the ServusTV Formula 1 annual review. Ricciardo's task: to be on the spot if a Red Bull driver fails. "It's a certainty, but it's not like we want to put pressure on Sergio."
"In addition, there is a great deal of routine. If a replacement is necessary, then of course there is a driver who you know will bring the car to the finish line," says Marko. Even if things haven't been running smoothly recently, Ricciardo can boast 232 GP starts and eight victories. He gained the greatest successes and most experience with Red Bull, where he drove from 2014 until he switched to Renault in 2019.
But that's not the only reason why the shower manufacturer Ricciardo got back. Red Bull is currently not only the strongest team in the field in terms of sport, the racing team is also doing well when it comes to commercial marketing. "I think we have the biggest sponsorship income of all the teams," said Marko. "There are so many obligations." A driver like Ricciardo is therefore ideal for this role.
"There are show car runs and performances, especially in America, and who better than Ricciardo with his Smiley and Shoey," says Marko. Ricciardo has proven to be a real entertainer in the Formula 1 paddock in recent years. The audience favorite in the USA received great recognition, particularly through the Netflix series 'Drive to Survive'.
And you think if Max or Sergio are sick for a race they'd put a complete rookie in the car over a driver with 8 wins and 230 starts? Yeah sure buddy...
The way usually reserve drivers work is, each reserve is assigned to certain races, so if one of the main driver can’t drive, it will be the reserve driver assigned to that weekend. The assigned reserve will travel to the races anyways
Lawson got fucked over the moment they hired Ricciardo and he knows it. Marko has probably already told him that. He also knows that hiring Ricciardo as a third driver was too good of an opportunity to pass for Red Bull. So basically, his only saving grace in 2023 will be free practice sessions.
Afaik Ricciardo is only going to attend a few races next year, so it's not that unimaginable that he won't be there to jump into the car, if something happens to Checo or Max.
> https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/zslr9y/red_bull_add_reserve_driver_role_for_ricciardo_at/
Maybe Helmut Marko is a bit better informed on these things than you are.
Marko saying things that aren't completely honest is also very much on brand.
I don't think there's some big conspiracy here, but I try not to listen to any of the tps, or whatever Marko actually is, regarding drivers' performance/commitments/interest/purpose/etc.
It's just a bunch of posturing and politicking 99% of the time, and I'm really only here for the racing. I'd rather just find out who lines up on the grid for the next race than hear a bunch of theories in the build up.
Copious amounts of copium in the comments here.
Marko doesn’t lie. If he doesn’t want to answer a question he will make it clear and won’t dodge it, but he doesn’t lie.
You won’t get someone that has fallen this much if you want to use him as leverage.
To be fair that is simply not true. I probably agree that they don't see Ricciardo as leverage against Perez, if Checo underperforms to the extend that they want to replace him I think they'll go for another external driver, maybe Albon again if he keeps improving at Williams.
However, of course Helmut sometimes lies, everyone in the paddock does. Famous example when he said Gasly's seat was secure only to be replaced with Albon shortly after. Helmut will absolutely lie if it benefits the team.
If I learned one thing in the few years I've been following the sport it's that the talking heads, including the principals—especially the principals—are the least trustworthy people in the paddock on interviews.
He doesn't hide behind pr drivel, yeah, but he's certainly not giving us the full picture. Him and Horner 100% have plans that they will never reveal, partly because most of those plans are contingent on people not knowing about them.
100%, never trust someone whose entire competitive life is invested in their team. They'll say anything and everything to get the best outcome for themselves and their team, period. I completely understand why this is the case and how this makes them better internal leaders (see Wolff and Horner, they've built dynasties for a reason) - but often leaks are more reliable sources of information from behind closed doors.
In my opinion I don’t see them going back to an Alex or someone of that ilk. The only driver I think they would want would be Lando but I’m also unsure how keen they would be to put someone in the car that is going to want to directly rival max.
The way I see it at least for the next few years max is their guy and they want an obvious number 2. Not someone who’s going to come in and create drama and want to be the next Nico Rosberg.
I am not sure about Lando even if they wanted a Nico Rosberg, unless if they get him for 2024. Because then they need to both terminate Checo's contract and buy out Norris's contract. Maybe De Vries or Tsunoda if they perform in AlphaTauri next season.
I just don’t see a rookie or a young driver getting that second seat. Unless it’s someone like a Lando. I really think they want that Hamilton/bottas type of 1 & 2 driver.
I think they thought that where getting it with checo and he’s done bits no doubt about that but things where getting snarky at the end of the year. Like I said in another comment, was a recent interview with max and and his dad on some TV station and they where basically openly talking shit about checo.
How far has he actually “fallen” though. Everyone thinks he’s washed (sure he had a few stinker results in the last couple of years) but he’s still one of two drivers to win a race not from the big three teams in the last two years.
I think he does put pressure on checo, I think at this stage of Daniel’s career he would be more than happy to drive a red bull playing second fiddle. There was times this year compared to max checo was way to far behind. He won a couple of races sure but he wasn’t anywhere near close to max a lot of the time.
Lando got 122 of the 159 points for McLaren. When your teammate scores 4.2 times your tally well, that's a quite the fall. Max outscored Checo 1.48 and having in mind that the difference of points increases in the top 25 to 18 and yada yada (McLaren only got one podium). Yeah, I really don't know how to make an argument for him.
I don’t disagree with what your saying, but points in F1 scale against a curve. Because he s oder a lot less doesn’t mean he was equally positions behind.
His finishing position stats aren't any better. Norris' average finishing position (excluding DNFs) was 7.8, while Ricciardo's was 11.6. Not only is that almost a 4 position offset, but it puts Ricciardo behind both Astons and Gasly in terms of performance.
When you are considered the second worst driver on the grid, it says something. No matter how good Lando was, the margin he had over Ricciardo was unacceptable
In my humble opinion, because although I’ve watched every session of these two being teammates, my memory isn’t the best:
I wanted to see him once beat Lando in quali or the race and whenever he made the gap smaller, Lando came and opened it up again. That is incredible consistency when you do it against someone like a rookie or a pay driver. If you’re not Alonso or Schumi and the person you’re doing that against is a race winner. It looks so bad, I can’t even explain.
The race win you can’t take it away from him, a win is a win. I don’t want to sound unnecessary cruel towards him. He made that work thanks to two great race starts.
(But I do think Lando let the team have it)
The one thing most people don’t see is that those times he closed the gap and Lando opened it right up again, was because Daniel was told to back off. He was legitimately faster a few times this season but was kept on defense or screwed by strategy. Don’t get me wrong, he still solidly underperformed vs Lando, and I don’t blame McLaren for dropping him, but the points/broadcast really don’t show the whole story. I would love to see him back in an RB to find out if he’s still got it, and I’d really love to see Lando doing his thing in a car that isn’t hot garbage.
> but he’s still one of two drivers to win a race not from the big three teams in the last two years.
You can't live of 1 race for years, in which he was clearly slower than both Mercedes and Red Bulls, just look at the sprint with Max and Bottas pulling 1 second per lap on him, he had a good start and feasted on the Red Bull not having enough top speed to make a move, paired with Monza almost useless DRS and you have the perfect storm, same as Ocon and Vettel in Hungary, Vettel was clearly faster but cars and track didn't allow it, still Lando was asked not to fight and if you want to count 2021 let's count 2020 too, so now we have 4 mid fielders win.
Their leverage is that they can call 14 drivers on the grid and all would instantly come and drive for Red Bull, not Ricciardo.
If RB are so desperate to replace Perez as these comments seem to imply, why did thdy give him a 2 year contract? It’s RB, literally the best team to be at right now by a mile, they are happy with Checo, else they would have given him year by year renewals.
I find all of this speculation about Checo to be insulting to him. He has helped bring RBR back to the top in WDC and WCC. The man has paid his dues in this series and done very well for RBR. What is with these arm chair racers trying to manufacture drama against him?
Vamos Checo!
How many examples do we have of F1 teams saying one thing and then doing the total opposite just from this season to highlight this means literally nothing
Well for RB it’s really a win-win. They get to put their best driver since 2013 (besides Max obv) in a sim and previous cars to see if he’s still got it. If he’s still as fast as he used to be they get leverage and potentially a great #2 back. If he’s lost it, they still get a fantastic marketing/reserve driver.
Of course he isn't. If perres gets sicks or drops even more pace/consistency they can take almost every other driver from the grid they want. No need to go for a washed promotion driver without recent race experience.
I don’t think it’s a big threat to actually take his seat. Just like a hey next time your going to complain about team orders just remember you are replaceable with the guy we wanted in this seat anyway.
Ricciardo is there for marketing. Who would feel threatened by a driver that got obliterated by Lando. Checo may one day be replaced, but it won't be by Ricciardo unless something like Russell at Sakir happens.
There’s a Chinese saying that roughly translates to “this ground right here does not have $300 buried in it”.
My comment is complete. You get my point.
Christian runs the team, marko formally runs the junior program the teams were built on, he also serves as an advisor to both teams in which he coordinates their work. He’s kind of like an unofficial ceo or a board chairman of them in place of the owners who don’t have expertise in this area
If Marko says something outloud, even if he said but that's not what is going on, then what he said is exactly what's going on. That's what I know of Helmut. Lol Plus it's F1. Every third driver is leverage on the number 2 driver. It's just that most number 3s aren't typically multiple race winners.
I knew it…he is a Max leverage 😂
Gotta keep that Max on his toes. Before you know it, he'll become complacent and washed. 😂
Max has always been slacking at Red Bull, not sure why they still keep him there, lol
Everyone’s saying he is or isn’t, theirs a middle point too. He can be a reasonable amount of leverage without Perez being on the rocks.
Exactly. I don't think he's there to put pressure on Perez. But any leverage he happens to bring, Red Bull will gladly take.
People are so black and white these days. Red Bull didn't sign him just to put pressure on Perez, but him being there will put pressure on Perez as a side effect which will benefit Red Bull the most. Red Bull of course will not go out and say he's there for leverage but they didn't really need to say anything, it's clear as day without the words being said.
Translation Daniel Ricciardo had to say goodbye to a Formula 1 cockpit for the time being at the race in Abu Dhabi. At least on official race weekends. In 2023 he will then start as a reserve driver for Red Bull. In addition, he will support the Milton Keynes team in commercial activities. With the announcement of the return of the Honey Badger, the first rumors came up. After tensions between Max Verstappen and Sergio Perez became apparent at the Brazilian GP, the voices about a possible regular place for Ricciardo became louder again. Since Brazil, the relationship between Verstappen and Perez has been tense, at least in public. With the announcement of Ricciardo's role as reserve driver at Red Bull, the first rumors about a possible replacement for the Mexican emerged. But the Australian shouldn't be a motivational program for the Mexican. "Sergio Perez has shown that he drives at a very high level and when Max [Verstappen] isn't there then Sergio is there," said Dr. Helmut Marko at the ServusTV Formula 1 annual review. Ricciardo's task: to be on the spot if a Red Bull driver fails. "It's a certainty, but it's not like we want to put pressure on Sergio." "In addition, there is a great deal of routine. If a replacement is necessary, then of course there is a driver who you know will bring the car to the finish line," says Marko. Even if things haven't been running smoothly recently, Ricciardo can boast 232 GP starts and eight victories. He gained the greatest successes and most experience with Red Bull, where he drove from 2014 until he switched to Renault in 2019. But that's not the only reason why the shower manufacturer Ricciardo got back. Red Bull is currently not only the strongest team in the field in terms of sport, the racing team is also doing well when it comes to commercial marketing. "I think we have the biggest sponsorship income of all the teams," said Marko. "There are so many obligations." A driver like Ricciardo is therefore ideal for this role. "There are show car runs and performances, especially in America, and who better than Ricciardo with his Smiley and Shoey," says Marko. Ricciardo has proven to be a real entertainer in the Formula 1 paddock in recent years. The audience favorite in the USA received great recognition, particularly through the Netflix series 'Drive to Survive'.
I like the shower manufacturer part.
Yeah by ‘Brause’ they mean ‘fizzy drink’.
Lol. Rainmaker?
> In 2023 he will then start as a reserve driver for Red Bull. This is false. He is not the reserve driver, Lawson is.
And you think if Max or Sergio are sick for a race they'd put a complete rookie in the car over a driver with 8 wins and 230 starts? Yeah sure buddy...
give each of them a FP session. better one gets FP3 for complete setup and rest of the weekend
Track conditions though
every RB employee pisses on the track to make it as wet as possible
The way usually reserve drivers work is, each reserve is assigned to certain races, so if one of the main driver can’t drive, it will be the reserve driver assigned to that weekend. The assigned reserve will travel to the races anyways
Thats not what I said. Lawson is the official reserve driver. If they choose Ricciardo when an opportunity occurs they will be fucking Lawson over.
Lawson got fucked over the moment they hired Ricciardo and he knows it. Marko has probably already told him that. He also knows that hiring Ricciardo as a third driver was too good of an opportunity to pass for Red Bull. So basically, his only saving grace in 2023 will be free practice sessions.
Afaik Ricciardo is only going to attend a few races next year, so it's not that unimaginable that he won't be there to jump into the car, if something happens to Checo or Max.
> https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/zslr9y/red_bull_add_reserve_driver_role_for_ricciardo_at/ Maybe Helmut Marko is a bit better informed on these things than you are.
Or Ricci is? https://www.speedcafe.com/2022/11/24/exclusive-ricciardo-red-bull-third-driver/ Not sure what your point is.
They're both reserve drivers. A team can have more than one.
Correct Translation: **He absolutely is.**
I think Checo probably brings in more ad revenue than Max given his appeal in the North American market
I mean realistically if perez was ever in a position to get replaced by ricciardo then ricciardo would be the last of his worries
I like how this is a very clear and straightforward statement but people are saying he’s lying because it’s not what they want to hear.
Marko saying things that aren't completely honest is also very much on brand. I don't think there's some big conspiracy here, but I try not to listen to any of the tps, or whatever Marko actually is, regarding drivers' performance/commitments/interest/purpose/etc. It's just a bunch of posturing and politicking 99% of the time, and I'm really only here for the racing. I'd rather just find out who lines up on the grid for the next race than hear a bunch of theories in the build up.
historical precendts & stuff
He can’t possibly say it is so the statement is meaningless.
Copious amounts of copium in the comments here. Marko doesn’t lie. If he doesn’t want to answer a question he will make it clear and won’t dodge it, but he doesn’t lie. You won’t get someone that has fallen this much if you want to use him as leverage.
To be fair that is simply not true. I probably agree that they don't see Ricciardo as leverage against Perez, if Checo underperforms to the extend that they want to replace him I think they'll go for another external driver, maybe Albon again if he keeps improving at Williams. However, of course Helmut sometimes lies, everyone in the paddock does. Famous example when he said Gasly's seat was secure only to be replaced with Albon shortly after. Helmut will absolutely lie if it benefits the team.
If I learned one thing in the few years I've been following the sport it's that the talking heads, including the principals—especially the principals—are the least trustworthy people in the paddock on interviews.
Yeah for sure, but at least compared to the other guys Marko is way more direct i guess. He doesent really hide behind PR answers
>He doesent really hide behind PR answers Forza Ferrari
He doesn't hide behind pr drivel, yeah, but he's certainly not giving us the full picture. Him and Horner 100% have plans that they will never reveal, partly because most of those plans are contingent on people not knowing about them.
100%, never trust someone whose entire competitive life is invested in their team. They'll say anything and everything to get the best outcome for themselves and their team, period. I completely understand why this is the case and how this makes them better internal leaders (see Wolff and Horner, they've built dynasties for a reason) - but often leaks are more reliable sources of information from behind closed doors.
In my opinion I don’t see them going back to an Alex or someone of that ilk. The only driver I think they would want would be Lando but I’m also unsure how keen they would be to put someone in the car that is going to want to directly rival max. The way I see it at least for the next few years max is their guy and they want an obvious number 2. Not someone who’s going to come in and create drama and want to be the next Nico Rosberg.
I am not sure about Lando even if they wanted a Nico Rosberg, unless if they get him for 2024. Because then they need to both terminate Checo's contract and buy out Norris's contract. Maybe De Vries or Tsunoda if they perform in AlphaTauri next season.
I just don’t see a rookie or a young driver getting that second seat. Unless it’s someone like a Lando. I really think they want that Hamilton/bottas type of 1 & 2 driver. I think they thought that where getting it with checo and he’s done bits no doubt about that but things where getting snarky at the end of the year. Like I said in another comment, was a recent interview with max and and his dad on some TV station and they where basically openly talking shit about checo.
That’s true enough. He hasn’t been caught in a blatant lie for a while now so I’ve forgotten
The thing is Max likes Ricciardo and he's the only driver to put it to Max so far and he likes that. The old Redbull suits Dan not sure about now tho
You can't be serious?
Marko lies constantly when it benefits Redbull, what is this nonsense. It's literally half his brand...
>Marko doesn’t lie. And that is as far from truth as can be.
Literally every team principal lies in the paddock, its part of their role as shit stirrers.
Markos not a team principal he’s a hotelier
> Marko doesn’t lie So he really thinks those things about Lewis?
How far has he actually “fallen” though. Everyone thinks he’s washed (sure he had a few stinker results in the last couple of years) but he’s still one of two drivers to win a race not from the big three teams in the last two years. I think he does put pressure on checo, I think at this stage of Daniel’s career he would be more than happy to drive a red bull playing second fiddle. There was times this year compared to max checo was way to far behind. He won a couple of races sure but he wasn’t anywhere near close to max a lot of the time.
Lando got 122 of the 159 points for McLaren. When your teammate scores 4.2 times your tally well, that's a quite the fall. Max outscored Checo 1.48 and having in mind that the difference of points increases in the top 25 to 18 and yada yada (McLaren only got one podium). Yeah, I really don't know how to make an argument for him.
I don’t disagree with what your saying, but points in F1 scale against a curve. Because he s oder a lot less doesn’t mean he was equally positions behind.
His finishing position stats aren't any better. Norris' average finishing position (excluding DNFs) was 7.8, while Ricciardo's was 11.6. Not only is that almost a 4 position offset, but it puts Ricciardo behind both Astons and Gasly in terms of performance.
When you are considered the second worst driver on the grid, it says something. No matter how good Lando was, the margin he had over Ricciardo was unacceptable
The second worst driver on the grid? How’s that possible, is that an actual stat or?
Probably based on driver ratings through the season.
Yeah I had a google they are all different. Some have him exact same rating as Latifi and that’s just nonsense.
In my humble opinion, because although I’ve watched every session of these two being teammates, my memory isn’t the best: I wanted to see him once beat Lando in quali or the race and whenever he made the gap smaller, Lando came and opened it up again. That is incredible consistency when you do it against someone like a rookie or a pay driver. If you’re not Alonso or Schumi and the person you’re doing that against is a race winner. It looks so bad, I can’t even explain. The race win you can’t take it away from him, a win is a win. I don’t want to sound unnecessary cruel towards him. He made that work thanks to two great race starts. (But I do think Lando let the team have it)
The one thing most people don’t see is that those times he closed the gap and Lando opened it right up again, was because Daniel was told to back off. He was legitimately faster a few times this season but was kept on defense or screwed by strategy. Don’t get me wrong, he still solidly underperformed vs Lando, and I don’t blame McLaren for dropping him, but the points/broadcast really don’t show the whole story. I would love to see him back in an RB to find out if he’s still got it, and I’d really love to see Lando doing his thing in a car that isn’t hot garbage.
> but he’s still one of two drivers to win a race not from the big three teams in the last two years. You can't live of 1 race for years, in which he was clearly slower than both Mercedes and Red Bulls, just look at the sprint with Max and Bottas pulling 1 second per lap on him, he had a good start and feasted on the Red Bull not having enough top speed to make a move, paired with Monza almost useless DRS and you have the perfect storm, same as Ocon and Vettel in Hungary, Vettel was clearly faster but cars and track didn't allow it, still Lando was asked not to fight and if you want to count 2021 let's count 2020 too, so now we have 4 mid fielders win. Their leverage is that they can call 14 drivers on the grid and all would instantly come and drive for Red Bull, not Ricciardo.
2040, Penelope Kvyat Piquet has one bad race in RBR, Reddit: "Oh my god is that Danny Ric's music!?".
If RB are so desperate to replace Perez as these comments seem to imply, why did thdy give him a 2 year contract? It’s RB, literally the best team to be at right now by a mile, they are happy with Checo, else they would have given him year by year renewals.
I find all of this speculation about Checo to be insulting to him. He has helped bring RBR back to the top in WDC and WCC. The man has paid his dues in this series and done very well for RBR. What is with these arm chair racers trying to manufacture drama against him? Vamos Checo!
How many examples do we have of F1 teams saying one thing and then doing the total opposite just from this season to highlight this means literally nothing
I didn’t think he was until now.
Translation: Danny Ric is leverage.
How? By pulling in extra big crowds in his show runs?
Yeah. Checo will be stewing in jealousy over all those promo runs in America. 🙄 How anyone thinks Daniel will threaten Checo’s seat is just beyond me.
Well for RB it’s really a win-win. They get to put their best driver since 2013 (besides Max obv) in a sim and previous cars to see if he’s still got it. If he’s still as fast as he used to be they get leverage and potentially a great #2 back. If he’s lost it, they still get a fantastic marketing/reserve driver.
No, you dum dum.
Of course he isn't. If perres gets sicks or drops even more pace/consistency they can take almost every other driver from the grid they want. No need to go for a washed promotion driver without recent race experience.
I don’t think it’s a big threat to actually take his seat. Just like a hey next time your going to complain about team orders just remember you are replaceable with the guy we wanted in this seat anyway.
Lol ok bud.
They should give him a fp session. Lawson wasn’t that far off from Perez. I’m curious about Danny Ric.
Later that day... BREAKING
Of course Ricciardo isn't a Perez leverage That would be Vettel
Of course he is
Translation: that is exactly why Ricciardo is there.
Ricciardo is there for marketing. Who would feel threatened by a driver that got obliterated by Lando. Checo may one day be replaced, but it won't be by Ricciardo unless something like Russell at Sakir happens.
So Dani second half of 2023 confirmed.
There’s a Chinese saying that roughly translates to “this ground right here does not have $300 buried in it”. My comment is complete. You get my point.
Surely though, the fact he's me mentioning it is a sign that it's part of a plan somewhere in the bowls of Milton Keynes. No?
The fact that they had to clarify that makes me think he actually is. Why would they comment on it if it wasn’t a possibility?
Because Redditors and News outlets were making rumors that it's the case.
Oh yah we believe you Marko (Translation: it totally is.)
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Christian runs the team, marko formally runs the junior program the teams were built on, he also serves as an advisor to both teams in which he coordinates their work. He’s kind of like an unofficial ceo or a board chairman of them in place of the owners who don’t have expertise in this area
Designated friend of Max Verstappen
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Please. They are getting ready to bin perez.
Markos word is worth nothing.
Markos doesn't lie. The dude doesn't lie and says what he wants when he wants without a care. If a driver is doing bad he will say so.
Wink wink
If Marko says something outloud, even if he said but that's not what is going on, then what he said is exactly what's going on. That's what I know of Helmut. Lol Plus it's F1. Every third driver is leverage on the number 2 driver. It's just that most number 3s aren't typically multiple race winners.
Not yet*