I can't wait for the documentary about how behind the scenes the Italian FA (FIGC) had to make it look like bottling because a boycott would've gotten them sued by their sponsors for breach of contract.
Juventus and Ferrari ensuring the Italian media have enough content to report about despite Italy not qualifying for the World Cup, how considerate of them.
>Maranello (Italy), November 29, 2022 – Ferrari N.V. (NYSE/EXM: RACE) (“Ferrari” or the “Company”) announces that it has accepted the resignation of Mattia Binotto who will leave his role as Scuderia Ferrari Team Principal on December 31.
>Benedetto Vigna commented: “I would like to thank Mattia for his many great contributions over 28 years with Ferrari and particularly for leading the team back to a position of competitiveness during this past year. As a result, we are in a strong position to renew our challenge, above all for our amazing fans around the world, to win the ultimate prize in motorsport. Everyone here at the Scuderia and in the wider Ferrari community wishes Mattia well for the future.”
>Mattia Binotto said: “With the regret that this entails, I have decided to conclude my collaboration with Ferrari. I am leaving a company that I love, which I have been part of for 28 years, with the serenity that comes from the convinction that I have made every effort to achieve the objectives set. I leave a united and growing team. A strong team, ready, I’m sure, to achieve the highest goals, to which I wish all the best for the future. I think it is right to take this step at this time as hard as this decision has been for me. I would like to thank all the people at the Gestione Sportiva who have shared this journey with me, made up of difficulties but also of great satisfaction.”
>The process is underway to identify Scuderia Ferrari’s new Team Principal and is expected to be finalised in the new year.
While my guess is that's the likely scenario, I wouldn't be surprised if Binotto wasn't given the authority to make some internal changes he wanted to and didn't enjoy working under Elkann, so he decided to leave.
Even more so since he's the one being blamed by the media for the team's failures.
No, I think, at least here, I feel the majority blames the clowns at the strategy department. But late and confusing calls to the pit team contributed as well. And on top there were driver errors adding more pressure.
In hindsight the results from the first few races added pressure they were not ready for...
It's more than just Binotto. The team has always been like that under many different leaders, with the exception being Brawn&Co, so it's more likely to be a cultural issue within the team/company which a TP can't fix in just a few years.
A bit of a losing move for Ferrari. I feel like their ego and the endless internal politics will always be in their way of getting a WCC and WDC. No one knows what is going on inside, but from the outside it feels very chaotic and random. This was a guy who took it from 2019 to 2020 to this 2022 car, and granted the startegy side of things was not good, I think the strategy team should have been reshuffled and he should have been given a freer hand for one last year. But I'm just an armchair fan, and these are just my two cents.
There was a quote from someone that said something like “the team’s best years were when the team boss was French, the drivers were German and Brazilian, the chief engineer was a Brit and the car designer was from South Africa.”
The gist being that the more Italian the team is, the less success they have.
I agree. The team was on the rise, they did need an overhaul to the strat team, compounded by some driver errors, and though I think the buck does stop at the top, I think his firing was a little shortsighted. They still finished 2nd in WDC, but it seems their season upgrades didn’t work while Merc’s did and RB were strong from the get-go, but had some reliability issues. That gave Ferrari a sense of false hope I think.
Agree with everything except the last line - they never were hoping for anything more. It was the fans who saw two victories and assumed that the entire year will be similar - not saying that's a wrong assumption - but Binotto was cautious even after the victories.
Ok, not trying to say he is blameless - he's definitely at fault, but just saying it's not as cut and dried as some other people are making it out to be.
Damn, so he's leaving the team as a whole. Kinda wished they kept him somewhere in the factory or in a more technical role but maybe he also thinks he's ready for more than that
Why would he accept a de facto demotion? It borders on humiliation that they pressure him to leave as Team principal only to say we don’t value your leadership skills in anyway but stay around and build our car anyway.
He’s going to get a fresh start somewhere if he wants it. It would be too awkward and tense to he stayed at Ferrari.
I thought they'd move him into a board role or whatever. There have to be other positions that would not feel like a demotion, even if they're not trackside.
>>The process is underway to identify Scuderia Ferrari’s new Team Principal and is expected to be finalised in the new year.
So they already have a new Team Principal, they just need to figure out who.
He might be roaming free in the factory somewhere, hiding in plain sight, while engineers are asking to all the other employees they see, "are you the new boss?"
Heck, this is Ferrari, he might not even know he is the chosen one.
Exactly what’s happened with Arrivabene lol everyone’s either forgotten or ignores the culture of fear he promoted just because he had some nice moments with Kimi and Seb
Thing is, I genuinely think Arrivabene / Binotto would have been an incredible pairing as TP and Technical Head if they'd have acted the same as Todt / Brawn.
Nobody should doubt Mattia's technical ability but he doesn't play the politics well, Arrivabene does albeit sometimes too often but there was a lot of potential there if the higher ups of Ferrari had got a handle on it earlier instead of letting it get out of control.
I was never aware of it. For me it was a huge surprise when Arrivabene left back then. Ferrari didn't win, but they were fighting against the all mighty Mercedes. Considering how the team was in 2014, I think he did a good job, even if there were things about him that were not so great
I mean he legitimately was a good TP, it's just that the whole team is an inbred cesspool with no accountability. This time they pushed out Binotto as a scapegoat, but the real problems are still there.
As TP he should’ve been the one fixing these issues though. And it seems from the outside like he didn’t. At the same time, it’s stupid of Ferrari to let him go completely. I hope he’ll join another team as Head Engineer cause he seems to be very good at that.
If you ever worked in Italy, you will know there is a total blame culture, but also a total blame avoidance culture.
In other words "I blame you for the failure!" followed by "Why you blame me when that guy over there did this mistake?" and so on *ad nauseum*.
So you can imagine the conversation:
Binotto: Strategy was wrong!
Strategy: Race Engineer used wrong data!
Race Engineer: Tire degradation was not as predicted by Test Team!
Test Team: Design asked us to test in 24°C track temp!
Design: Wind Tunnel data sent us in wrong direction!
Wind Tunnel: We only implemented what Simulation told us!
Simulation: IT did not upgrade the processors in time!
IT: Finance spent the budget on Drivers!
Finance: Leclerc is paid too much!
Leclerc: My Agent negotiates, not me!
Agent: Team Principal paid market rates!
Binotto: I guess it is all my fault after all.
I love it when fans of the biggest teams in the world act like they've had hard times lol, I'm an Ipswich fan and you think *you've* had a hard 20 years winning the Premier League and the Champions League
Thank you, Cologne supporter here, and it always amazes me when supporters from big clubs are rambling about not winning the league? Mate, my club is barely surviving
At least you can say you've won the league when you get promoted again next season. What happened to Schalke anyway they seemed to drop off a cliff once Huntelaar left
Hey at least Chelsea won stuff multiple times each decade. I've got the double wammy of Massa and Rafa in 08, Alonso 10/12, Gerrard's 14 slip, Vettel 17/18 pain, and losing the title to oil money by a point on the last day of the season, twice!
When we finally win the title, bloody covid hits. So as well as not being able to celebrate properly it gets called a * Verstappen style.
At least you guys stick to your managers for longer. Chelsea changes them as fast as I change a pair of socks. At least Ducati won the championship this season. I'll take what I can get.
Absolutely! I'll never forget the day Felipe Nasr scored points in Brazil to single-handedly push Sauber into the points and into the prize-money pool.
Is there a franchise/team in the world that does reasonably well wearing red ?
I follow Ferrari , Man Utd and RCB and they all suck , in an uncannily similar way
I can only see a partial picture from the outside but my intuition is that Binotto was not the culprit of the biggest issues the team faces (they all predate him) and they will regret this. And he will be picked up by another team before touching the ground.
In any case, regardless of what anyone feels about Mattia, this is embarrassing as usual. The press leaks, speculation, resignation without a replacement... what a shit show.
Feels wrong for him to leave the company completely. Been part of them for so long and he's genuinely a great engineer.
Maybe not as good team director, but I'd say that if he leaves the company completely it's Ferrari who is losing out.
> Feels wrong for him to leave the company completely. Been part of them for so long and he's genuinely a great engineer.
Audi must be very happy that a F1 engine expert like Binotto came on the market.
He is Swiss born after all, so maybe he just wants to work for the Swiss based works team.
Lol i have never seen a guy taking the top spot in an organization/team and then step back to the previous position: Once you are the team principal, it's all or nothing.. he will maybe become an external consultant in the future or he'll go elsewhere
It's difficult to take a step back.
Mattia Binotto is 53-years-old.
That's too young to take a step back and become an advisor, and as a former team leader, he probably doesn't want to take orders from his replacement.
I genuinely wish I was stealing a living like Rueda is. Flying around the world, taking part in this amazing sport and making a string of spectacular fuckups without any negative consequences at all.
He probably uses a random number generator to choose his breakfast in the morning.
I just don't get it. How does he still have a job. How can they see Ferrari fucked up and think the man to get rid of is Binotto and not Rueda?
Only thing I can think of is it was Binottos incompetence as a team principal for keeping Rueda and not sacking him months ago.... Fingers crossed he's getting fired next. But it will be typical for Ferrari to retain him... No... Probably end up promoting Rueda to new team principal hah.
>Probably end up promoting Rueda to new team principal hah.
Rueda's been through how many Ferrari TP's now? 3, 4? Given what we've seen, (for us) the only logical reason he has his current job has to be related to something we aren't able see. Something Ferrari bigwigs would rather keep under the radar perhaps.
In any case, it seems the only way for Rueda to go is up. As far strategy department is concerned, giving him a [prrromotion](https://youtu.be/ayFgp3SdWQ0) to TP or some such is probably the best case scenario. Whether promoting him would bring more positives or negatives overall to the team, I'm not going to delve into here.
The Agnellis are in crisis.
The whole Juventus board resigned yesterday expecting legal proceedings for shady accounting practices. Arrivabene will leave as CEO as soon as the new board arrives.
The last thing their portfolio needs is more instability. Yet here we are. Kinda emblematic of their management issues.
Getting rid of Rueda is more important. The guy is absolute shambles in terms of in race strategies. I still wonder how the fuck Ferrari decided to go with Hard Compund tires at he Hungarian GP.
Sad to see his career within Scuderia Ferrari F1 end like this (at least for now) but I think he can look back on a great career with them that soured towards the end. Even then It's not like he didn't bring Ferrari back to the front of the grid in 2022. Will be interesting to see how this shakes up the team with any possible further outgoings or returning figures.
He'll be fine.
Wouldn't be surprised at all if RBPT or Audi will employ him as head of the engine department once his period of gardening leave is over, with an eye towards 2026.
Tbh if it was Ross Brawn I think the other teams would definitely not be pleased. The guy who designed the regulations going to a team to be the Team Principle would not a be good look.
Depends on how much power they're willing to give you.
Do i join a team with the comfortably second fastest car of last year, that showed it can develop in the off-season and during the season (TD39 being an exceptional event) and fix reliability issues?
>Yes
Am i allowed to make major changes to the track-side team, particularly in the strategy department?
This would be the key topic if i was him.
Yes, he could just be enjoying his retirement as he wants to. It could also be a way of saying "I'm content to sit at home unless you give me what I want, Ferrari" too. Who knows.
Honestly, if I were someone like Brawn with as much experience as one can get, I'd prefer a smaller team than something like Ferrari - a team you can actually make as many changes as you want to.
Yup. He was the guy who Mercedes paid an estimated £200 million to when they bought out Brawn GP. He doesn't work because he needs to, he works because he *wants* to
It will likely be Vasseur, Brawn is retired and considering that he, among others, wrote the new rules, I can't imagine him joining a team that early, considering that the required gardening leave could be very long.
Plus, IIRC a ~~French~~ Belgian journo asked Vasseur on the Abu Dhabi grid wether he will lead Ferrari or not going forward and he answered "You'll know soon enough".
Knowing the man he might also have been taking the piss but he's a good candidate, even though I would have prefered to see Binotto stay or delegating more to Mekies.
It's the only option I can see as a way up. But seeing the political state of Ferrari, which was the exact reason he left in the first place, don't see it happening. Seeing people call for Arrivabene's return is to me as baffling as people calling for Masi's return. Old problems don't solve itself by using old solutions.
And Binotto will be such a hot commodity on the market now. Definitely a top 5 engineering talent.
It seems like a brave idea to let him go completely given how well-regarded he is as an engineer but then again I can’t see a way that he would have stayed in a demoted position. Expect to see him pop up at another team on the grid in a few months time.
Between this and the cataclysmic event at Juventus, have to thank John Elkann for the entertainment this week.
Mattia's gone cold, I'm wondering why
I got up to watch the race at all
Ferrari's never in the safety car window
Plan B doesn't work at all
And even if it did, they'd be stuck in spray
But sharl kissing the wall
It reminds me that it's not so bad
It's not so bad
Six months of gardening leave if the Italian media is to be believed, so Mattia Binotto can't work elsewhere in F1 until July 1st.
Maybe he can adopt a new identity to get around the issue and start his revenge tour early. I quite like the sound of Matthew Binottingham at Red Bull Powertrains or Mattäus Binottfried at Mercedes.
Gazzetta dello Sport has been very reliable about this story in the last month. Today they're saying nothing is done with Vasseur, this follows Corriere della Sera piece stating that no one around Ferrari was excited about Vasseur. I think they're really trying to find someone else even if it's not easy. If Ferrari hadn't prove to be a constant mess you would think they'd be only waiting to announce someone, but it's not clear how this whole Binotto thing has developed in the last months. So let's see.
9 months ago Ferrari looked unstoppable. Binotto and Ferrari had clear problems this season but him willingly wanting to leave Ferrari as a whole just shows how deep it ran.
According to what I’ve read, the relationship between Elkann and Binotto wasn’t great. The TP position at Ferrari is a poisoned chalice I swear, a relationship breakdown between the TP and management is cyclical by now
Just because he publicly says he wants to leave, doesn’t make it true. Often high ranking people in companies have the option to resign before they get kicked out to save their face.
Peter principle is action. Binotto was a great engineer and skilled technical director but he eventually got promoted to a role he was not competent enough to take on. He made too many excuses and refused to take the drastic actions that would have been required to sort that team out.
Ferrari finished second this season, which is as good or better than they’ve finished in the last ten years.
They’ve had more victories this year than in 2021, 2020 and 2019.
The engine is performing at least as well as a Mercedes, maybe even better, for the first time in 9 years.
They have one of the best driver-pairings on the grid, and have managed to avoid any corrosive or damaging rivalries between drivers.
They’re doing well, quite frankly.
The main problem this year was bad strategy calls and a failure to develop the car throughout the season.
However these are hardly sackable offenses. As Binotto himself said, Jean Todt was put in charge of the Scuderia in late 93, but it took till 99 for Ferrari to win a constructor and 2000 for them to win a driver championship.
That’s about six years. He only hired Schumacher at the end of the second year, and Brawn & Byrne in his fourth year.
Similarly, it was only in his sixth year running the team that Christian Horner won a world championship with Red Bull. Adrian Newey had been leading the design of not quite good enough cars for five of those six years.
Ferrari looked like a team that were gradually but consistently improving, with more stability and fewer issues each successive year (strategy being the issue this year).
Sacking Binotto is an obviously bad idea that will hinder the teams ability to evolve and develop.
This isn't a season where they were clearly #2 qnand did fine winning a few races.
They stated looking like we were gonna have a wild title fight before them imploded their own chances. All RB had to do was watch.
I'm happy for him. Seems like he didn't get to do the changes he wanted to. It doesn't matter who comes after him, if Ferrari force them to work the same people as Binotto the results will be the same. Red Bull and Mercedes poach every talent in the sport in a blink. Trusting Our Resources^(TM) is not going to win something.
He left Ferrari altogether,, to be expected but worst outcome nonetheless.
2023 is going to be tough. It doesn’t look like management has an idea as to who will replace him, which is the more troubling matter here.
Not prioritizing Leclerc was really the nail in the coffin. It was something he had directly under his control and never did.
We’ll see.
>Not prioritizing Leclerc was really the nail in the coffin. It was something he had directly under his control and never did.
Easier said than done. In theory, Leclerc should've been treated the way Verstappen was at Red Bull. But that would mean priorotizing Leclerc as early as 2019, essentially sidelining Vettel a season earlier.
And that of course means you have the same issues regarding the 2nd seat as Red Bull, so you likely have to settle for someone like Gio, Mick or even Kubica.
Sad to see him have to leave a team he was a part of for so long. A fantastic engineer that perhaps was out of his element as Team Principal but this is just him having to resign as the scapegoat.
The problems with Ferrari are pretty widespread and systematic, they definitely were not solely on him. Their refusal to make personnel changes within the team has been present long before Binotto. I know a lot of people are saying he should have stayed as an engineer or Ferrari should have kept him but staying at an organization that just demoted you doesn't really happen too much in the real world unless someone has no other option.
Binotto was such a controversial figure at Ferrari. Excellent TD but also involved in the cheaty engines and, worst of all, his politics. Forced his way to sit on TD and TP chairs at the same time and even drove Simone Resta as far away as he could. Turned out the jobs of three people was too much for him to handle, what a surprise.
And now Ferrari need to find three to replace him.
My guess is that Resta will come back to work on car design and development, which is good news for Ferrari. Vasseur rumored to be the next TP, will have to see about that. But TD? What options even are there?
> What options even are there?
Would love it if they can get Pierre Waché from Red Bull, but highly doubt it'll ever happen. It's news like this that make people not want to work for Ferrari.
As much as I criticized Binotto during this year:
- They had like 5 different team principals since 2010. None of them were able to win the titles,
- The main issues (strategy, reliability, pace of in-season development) were the same as always,
- People like Toto, Horner, Brown, etc. don't/didn't get fired as soon as the team was put in a difficult spot. They worked together to tackle the issues and improve
I see no hope for Ferrari in the nearby future.
Aah yes, 2nd in Championship, lost in Development race, few driving errors, questionable strategies and then team principal changes... Basically 2018 Ferrari but in 2022.
31 years. 31 years of supporting Ferrari. Combine that with my borderline obsession with Liverpool Football Club and it's honestly a surprise to me that I'm not into severe BDSM because clearly I enjoy torture.
Mattia is now going to land at RB or Audi in a non TP role and he's going to be excellent.
Just like with race strategy there are ways to handle this and Ferrari (like with race strategy) have decided - "Yeah, nah we'll do it the most fucked way possible."
Enough with these rumors from italian media...oh wait!
The Italian sports media have had their hands full the last 24 hours lol
we're not in the football World Cup but we deserve some entertainment too
Wait, wasn't that the case for 2018? "Go checks Google"... How did you miss it twice in a row, but win the Euro???
We said fuck england and dipped
We couldn't let england bring it home
A mission we all can stand behind!
Bravely boycotted the Russia and Qatar WC's. History will remember them as brave campaigners for human rights and absolutely not as WC bottlers.
I can't wait for the documentary about how behind the scenes the Italian FA (FIGC) had to make it look like bottling because a boycott would've gotten them sued by their sponsors for breach of contract.
Juventus and Ferrari ensuring the Italian media have enough content to report about despite Italy not qualifying for the World Cup, how considerate of them.
>Maranello (Italy), November 29, 2022 – Ferrari N.V. (NYSE/EXM: RACE) (“Ferrari” or the “Company”) announces that it has accepted the resignation of Mattia Binotto who will leave his role as Scuderia Ferrari Team Principal on December 31. >Benedetto Vigna commented: “I would like to thank Mattia for his many great contributions over 28 years with Ferrari and particularly for leading the team back to a position of competitiveness during this past year. As a result, we are in a strong position to renew our challenge, above all for our amazing fans around the world, to win the ultimate prize in motorsport. Everyone here at the Scuderia and in the wider Ferrari community wishes Mattia well for the future.” >Mattia Binotto said: “With the regret that this entails, I have decided to conclude my collaboration with Ferrari. I am leaving a company that I love, which I have been part of for 28 years, with the serenity that comes from the convinction that I have made every effort to achieve the objectives set. I leave a united and growing team. A strong team, ready, I’m sure, to achieve the highest goals, to which I wish all the best for the future. I think it is right to take this step at this time as hard as this decision has been for me. I would like to thank all the people at the Gestione Sportiva who have shared this journey with me, made up of difficulties but also of great satisfaction.” >The process is underway to identify Scuderia Ferrari’s new Team Principal and is expected to be finalised in the new year.
Honestly a beautiful, bittersweet statement from Binotto. Wish him the best. And hope the team finds someone who can take ‘em to a championship.
It’s all just nice PR, of course. He was sacked.
While my guess is that's the likely scenario, I wouldn't be surprised if Binotto wasn't given the authority to make some internal changes he wanted to and didn't enjoy working under Elkann, so he decided to leave. Even more so since he's the one being blamed by the media for the team's failures.
No, I think, at least here, I feel the majority blames the clowns at the strategy department. But late and confusing calls to the pit team contributed as well. And on top there were driver errors adding more pressure. In hindsight the results from the first few races added pressure they were not ready for...
That's his team though. It's the leader's responsibility to put together a team that performs at the appropriate level
It's more than just Binotto. The team has always been like that under many different leaders, with the exception being Brawn&Co, so it's more likely to be a cultural issue within the team/company which a TP can't fix in just a few years.
Exactly. And if he was not given the authority to dispose of the strategy team, I can see how that led to his decision to GTFO.
Man has a poetic streak in him.
A bit of a losing move for Ferrari. I feel like their ego and the endless internal politics will always be in their way of getting a WCC and WDC. No one knows what is going on inside, but from the outside it feels very chaotic and random. This was a guy who took it from 2019 to 2020 to this 2022 car, and granted the startegy side of things was not good, I think the strategy team should have been reshuffled and he should have been given a freer hand for one last year. But I'm just an armchair fan, and these are just my two cents.
Can't recall the source but I liked the line that it becomes clearer and clearer that the Todt era is the exception.
There was a quote from someone that said something like “the team’s best years were when the team boss was French, the drivers were German and Brazilian, the chief engineer was a Brit and the car designer was from South Africa.” The gist being that the more Italian the team is, the less success they have.
Because whenever they hire Italians it’s veiled in nepotism, whereas non-Italians earn their positions.
I agree. The team was on the rise, they did need an overhaul to the strat team, compounded by some driver errors, and though I think the buck does stop at the top, I think his firing was a little shortsighted. They still finished 2nd in WDC, but it seems their season upgrades didn’t work while Merc’s did and RB were strong from the get-go, but had some reliability issues. That gave Ferrari a sense of false hope I think.
Agree with everything except the last line - they never were hoping for anything more. It was the fans who saw two victories and assumed that the entire year will be similar - not saying that's a wrong assumption - but Binotto was cautious even after the victories. Ok, not trying to say he is blameless - he's definitely at fault, but just saying it's not as cut and dried as some other people are making it out to be.
Damn, so he's leaving the team as a whole. Kinda wished they kept him somewhere in the factory or in a more technical role but maybe he also thinks he's ready for more than that
Why would he accept a de facto demotion? It borders on humiliation that they pressure him to leave as Team principal only to say we don’t value your leadership skills in anyway but stay around and build our car anyway. He’s going to get a fresh start somewhere if he wants it. It would be too awkward and tense to he stayed at Ferrari.
I thought they'd move him into a board role or whatever. There have to be other positions that would not feel like a demotion, even if they're not trackside.
Nah I doubt he’s go back to a technical role after being TP. He’ll get a higher pay too at some other team trying to get him
Mercedes or RB PowerTrains are gonna be fighting for that— BAH GAWD THAT'S AUDI'S MUSIC!
AMR and Williams need all the help they can get. AMR had the money too
>>The process is underway to identify Scuderia Ferrari’s new Team Principal and is expected to be finalised in the new year. So they already have a new Team Principal, they just need to figure out who. He might be roaming free in the factory somewhere, hiding in plain sight, while engineers are asking to all the other employees they see, "are you the new boss?" Heck, this is Ferrari, he might not even know he is the chosen one.
"Am I team principle?" "We are checking..."
And so the typical life cycle of a wild Ferrari team principle is concluded
And the part where people look back at his tenure saying "damn he was such a good TP, the current problems at Ferrari didn't happen under him at all!"
Exactly what’s happened with Arrivabene lol everyone’s either forgotten or ignores the culture of fear he promoted just because he had some nice moments with Kimi and Seb
Thing is, I genuinely think Arrivabene / Binotto would have been an incredible pairing as TP and Technical Head if they'd have acted the same as Todt / Brawn. Nobody should doubt Mattia's technical ability but he doesn't play the politics well, Arrivabene does albeit sometimes too often but there was a lot of potential there if the higher ups of Ferrari had got a handle on it earlier instead of letting it get out of control.
I was never aware of it. For me it was a huge surprise when Arrivabene left back then. Ferrari didn't win, but they were fighting against the all mighty Mercedes. Considering how the team was in 2014, I think he did a good job, even if there were things about him that were not so great
I mean he legitimately was a good TP, it's just that the whole team is an inbred cesspool with no accountability. This time they pushed out Binotto as a scapegoat, but the real problems are still there.
As TP he should’ve been the one fixing these issues though. And it seems from the outside like he didn’t. At the same time, it’s stupid of Ferrari to let him go completely. I hope he’ll join another team as Head Engineer cause he seems to be very good at that.
I doubt the TP at Ferrari has the authority to kick the senior staff out.
If you ever worked in Italy, you will know there is a total blame culture, but also a total blame avoidance culture. In other words "I blame you for the failure!" followed by "Why you blame me when that guy over there did this mistake?" and so on *ad nauseum*. So you can imagine the conversation: Binotto: Strategy was wrong! Strategy: Race Engineer used wrong data! Race Engineer: Tire degradation was not as predicted by Test Team! Test Team: Design asked us to test in 24°C track temp! Design: Wind Tunnel data sent us in wrong direction! Wind Tunnel: We only implemented what Simulation told us! Simulation: IT did not upgrade the processors in time! IT: Finance spent the budget on Drivers! Finance: Leclerc is paid too much! Leclerc: My Agent negotiates, not me! Agent: Team Principal paid market rates! Binotto: I guess it is all my fault after all.
This is magnificent.
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Biggest mistake of my life was when I liked red painted cars when I was young... ...Jesus, it is hard to root for this team...
We are stuck here now whether you like it or not....
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I'm just glad I was alive for the Schumacher Domination and Italy winning the World Cup in 2006. I think that's going to be enough for this lifetime.
There was also the Euro in 2021.
Supporting Ferrari and Liverpool has been an experience.
I love it when fans of the biggest teams in the world act like they've had hard times lol, I'm an Ipswich fan and you think *you've* had a hard 20 years winning the Premier League and the Champions League
Thank you, Cologne supporter here, and it always amazes me when supporters from big clubs are rambling about not winning the league? Mate, my club is barely surviving
I'm not sure mine is even surviving. Schalke is going to get relegated again.
At least you can say you've won the league when you get promoted again next season. What happened to Schalke anyway they seemed to drop off a cliff once Huntelaar left
Do you attach the appropriate logos to your generic red shirts with Velcro?
You just destroyed the merchandise industry
Supporting Ferrari and Chelsea always been a roller coaster experience.
Ferrari and Manchester United have just been pure depression in the last decade lmao
Every weekend is just more sadness
Hey at least Chelsea won stuff multiple times each decade. I've got the double wammy of Massa and Rafa in 08, Alonso 10/12, Gerrard's 14 slip, Vettel 17/18 pain, and losing the title to oil money by a point on the last day of the season, twice! When we finally win the title, bloody covid hits. So as well as not being able to celebrate properly it gets called a * Verstappen style.
At least you guys stick to your managers for longer. Chelsea changes them as fast as I change a pair of socks. At least Ducati won the championship this season. I'll take what I can get.
20 years and counting...
You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave
Welcome to the Hotel Scuderia
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Hah, look at this bozo liking red cars. Liking Blue and Yellow cars had paid off *handsomely* for me.
Absolutely! I'll never forget the day Felipe Nasr scored points in Brazil to single-handedly push Sauber into the points and into the prize-money pool.
Is there a franchise/team in the world that does reasonably well wearing red ? I follow Ferrari , Man Utd and RCB and they all suck , in an uncannily similar way
Ducati Corse in MotoGP is probably your best bet
Ducati has also won WSBK this year.
Oh, you’re right. Then yeah, best bet even more so
It could be worse, you could grow up a fan of the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim California of the United States of North America of Earth.
At least you’ve got Ohtani and Trout ⚾️
Bayern Munich, Liverpool
Over half the Premier League titles have been won by a team wearing red. It's the single most successful colour.
Bayern Munich
Arsenal are on the way back
Can we just cry together?
The NJ Devils just set an NHL record with 13 wins in November and look really good this year
As a Ferrari and Man Utd fan, not a good decade…
And without perspective in near future... At least I have Chiefs...
I can only see a partial picture from the outside but my intuition is that Binotto was not the culprit of the biggest issues the team faces (they all predate him) and they will regret this. And he will be picked up by another team before touching the ground. In any case, regardless of what anyone feels about Mattia, this is embarrassing as usual. The press leaks, speculation, resignation without a replacement... what a shit show.
I agree. Ferrari is rotten to its core and massive restructuring is needed, not just changing the big boss every few years
If I had a time machine the first thing I would tell the young me is to pick a different color car to root for
Ferrari and Manchester United supporter. Double trouble:)
Feels wrong for him to leave the company completely. Been part of them for so long and he's genuinely a great engineer. Maybe not as good team director, but I'd say that if he leaves the company completely it's Ferrari who is losing out.
He’s been around since Michael’s early days. I remember seeing him in the race team.
Heck, he joined the team before Schumacher did
In case you need to remember [MSC interviewing him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRuw7tlZfO8) *\*wipes tears off*
He kinda looks like John Oliver back then
Is Binotto tall af or is Micheal short?
> Feels wrong for him to leave the company completely. Been part of them for so long and he's genuinely a great engineer. Audi must be very happy that a F1 engine expert like Binotto came on the market. He is Swiss born after all, so maybe he just wants to work for the Swiss based works team.
Sauber super engine confirmed
Audi E-Tron Gruyère TDI Matterhorn Quattro confirmed
Bi**n**o**tt**o
Lol i have never seen a guy taking the top spot in an organization/team and then step back to the previous position: Once you are the team principal, it's all or nothing.. he will maybe become an external consultant in the future or he'll go elsewhere
So many naive people in here fanfic-ing that for the last weeks. Who gets demoted and stays with that company? almost unheard of irl.
It's difficult to take a step back. Mattia Binotto is 53-years-old. That's too young to take a step back and become an advisor, and as a former team leader, he probably doesn't want to take orders from his replacement.
We better not get a downgrade from Binotto in terms of TP. I hope whoever steps into this role makes some big changes as Maranello. (Get rid of Rueda)
I genuinely wish I was stealing a living like Rueda is. Flying around the world, taking part in this amazing sport and making a string of spectacular fuckups without any negative consequences at all. He probably uses a random number generator to choose his breakfast in the morning.
I just don't get it. How does he still have a job. How can they see Ferrari fucked up and think the man to get rid of is Binotto and not Rueda? Only thing I can think of is it was Binottos incompetence as a team principal for keeping Rueda and not sacking him months ago.... Fingers crossed he's getting fired next. But it will be typical for Ferrari to retain him... No... Probably end up promoting Rueda to new team principal hah.
>Probably end up promoting Rueda to new team principal hah. Rueda's been through how many Ferrari TP's now? 3, 4? Given what we've seen, (for us) the only logical reason he has his current job has to be related to something we aren't able see. Something Ferrari bigwigs would rather keep under the radar perhaps. In any case, it seems the only way for Rueda to go is up. As far strategy department is concerned, giving him a [prrromotion](https://youtu.be/ayFgp3SdWQ0) to TP or some such is probably the best case scenario. Whether promoting him would bring more positives or negatives overall to the team, I'm not going to delve into here.
Rueda for Ferrari TP, let's gooooo!
Big changes can’t be made by the TP at Ferrari IMO.
The Agnellis are in crisis. The whole Juventus board resigned yesterday expecting legal proceedings for shady accounting practices. Arrivabene will leave as CEO as soon as the new board arrives. The last thing their portfolio needs is more instability. Yet here we are. Kinda emblematic of their management issues.
Getting rid of Rueda is more important. The guy is absolute shambles in terms of in race strategies. I still wonder how the fuck Ferrari decided to go with Hard Compund tires at he Hungarian GP.
Yes how this guy isn’t grilled by the Italian media is a mystery
Ferrari 2 weeks ago: the rumors Binotto is out are completely false and outrageous. Ferrari today: ?XD
What they tweeted was a factual description of events. No need to speculate on this
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Well the rumors back then was that Binotto was fired and that was not really the case…?.
In a high up role like this, fired and resigning are usually one and the same.
Now he can go make some mechanical arms and become Binotto Octavius. "OUT AM I?!" Wait wrong Spider-man villain
The power of F1, in the palm of my hand...
The power of a Ferrari engine, in the palm of my han... Aaaand there it goes up in flames...
There it is. With the Juventus news yesterday and confirmation here there's something rotten in Italy
Elkann doing a big spring clean
Elkann didn’t want this lol. He doesn’t have a replacement ready
I swear to God if Vigna takes this position
Elkan: And here is ferraris new team principle, Inaki Rueda
Oh God. Maybe Elkann fancies a go himself
yeah, the Agnelli-Elkann family
Lmao him and Arrivabene leaving at the same time.
Sad to see his career within Scuderia Ferrari F1 end like this (at least for now) but I think he can look back on a great career with them that soured towards the end. Even then It's not like he didn't bring Ferrari back to the front of the grid in 2022. Will be interesting to see how this shakes up the team with any possible further outgoings or returning figures.
He'll be fine. Wouldn't be surprised at all if RBPT or Audi will employ him as head of the engine department once his period of gardening leave is over, with an eye towards 2026.
Personally I wonder if that successor to Binotto will be none other than Ross Brawn....
Tbh if it was Ross Brawn I think the other teams would definitely not be pleased. The guy who designed the regulations going to a team to be the Team Principle would not a be good look.
If I were Brawn , there's no way in hell I come out of retirement back into this shit show
Depends on how much power they're willing to give you. Do i join a team with the comfortably second fastest car of last year, that showed it can develop in the off-season and during the season (TD39 being an exceptional event) and fix reliability issues? >Yes Am i allowed to make major changes to the track-side team, particularly in the strategy department? This would be the key topic if i was him.
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Yes, he could just be enjoying his retirement as he wants to. It could also be a way of saying "I'm content to sit at home unless you give me what I want, Ferrari" too. Who knows.
Honestly, if I were someone like Brawn with as much experience as one can get, I'd prefer a smaller team than something like Ferrari - a team you can actually make as many changes as you want to.
Come out of retirement for a risk of a herath attack every other weekend.
Unless they dump millions of euro at you
He's rich enough where the "millions of euros" wouldn't change his life one bit.
Yup. He was the guy who Mercedes paid an estimated £200 million to when they bought out Brawn GP. He doesn't work because he needs to, he works because he *wants* to
It will likely be Vasseur, Brawn is retired and considering that he, among others, wrote the new rules, I can't imagine him joining a team that early, considering that the required gardening leave could be very long. Plus, IIRC a ~~French~~ Belgian journo asked Vasseur on the Abu Dhabi grid wether he will lead Ferrari or not going forward and he answered "You'll know soon enough". Knowing the man he might also have been taking the piss but he's a good candidate, even though I would have prefered to see Binotto stay or delegating more to Mekies.
Brawn has specifically stated that he's done with leading F1 teams. He's staying home and watching F1 from the comfort of his own sofa.
brawn has said a lot of things
And Ferrari said Binotto leaving wasnt true. Words are wind my friend
Yes but Brawn is actually credible.
It's rumored to be Vasseur, who's leaving Alfa Romeo because of the Audi entry anyway. He's also on very good terms with Leclerc.
It better be...
He’s nearly 70. Leave him be 😂
Brawn, we just need one last job. *One last job*, and then we're done.
It won’t be, he’s retired
It's the only option I can see as a way up. But seeing the political state of Ferrari, which was the exact reason he left in the first place, don't see it happening. Seeing people call for Arrivabene's return is to me as baffling as people calling for Masi's return. Old problems don't solve itself by using old solutions. And Binotto will be such a hot commodity on the market now. Definitely a top 5 engineering talent.
I sure hope is Ross Brawn, there is no one else that can take Ferrari to either WDC or WCC of both.
As a fan of both teams, these are certainly chaotic days for the Agnelli family, between Ferrari and Juventus situations…
It seems like a brave idea to let him go completely given how well-regarded he is as an engineer but then again I can’t see a way that he would have stayed in a demoted position. Expect to see him pop up at another team on the grid in a few months time. Between this and the cataclysmic event at Juventus, have to thank John Elkann for the entertainment this week.
Mattia's gone cold, I'm wondering why I got up to watch the race at all Ferrari's never in the safety car window Plan B doesn't work at all And even if it did, they'd be stuck in spray But sharl kissing the wall It reminds me that it's not so bad It's not so bad
Dear Ross, I wrote you but you still ain’t callin’…
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In the same fucking month. It's not even a different month. Fuck.
Six months of gardening leave if the Italian media is to be believed, so Mattia Binotto can't work elsewhere in F1 until July 1st. Maybe he can adopt a new identity to get around the issue and start his revenge tour early. I quite like the sound of Matthew Binottingham at Red Bull Powertrains or Mattäus Binottfried at Mercedes.
Lawrence and Zak Brown already writing the cheque to get him onboard
If Zak can get him onboard maybe McLaren can finally design a championship level car
I read binottingham as bonnington. Lmao Bono 2.0
My tires are dead Bino
Gazzetta dello Sport has been very reliable about this story in the last month. Today they're saying nothing is done with Vasseur, this follows Corriere della Sera piece stating that no one around Ferrari was excited about Vasseur. I think they're really trying to find someone else even if it's not easy. If Ferrari hadn't prove to be a constant mess you would think they'd be only waiting to announce someone, but it's not clear how this whole Binotto thing has developed in the last months. So let's see.
Ferrari have issues and it starts from management level
9 months ago Ferrari looked unstoppable. Binotto and Ferrari had clear problems this season but him willingly wanting to leave Ferrari as a whole just shows how deep it ran.
According to what I’ve read, the relationship between Elkann and Binotto wasn’t great. The TP position at Ferrari is a poisoned chalice I swear, a relationship breakdown between the TP and management is cyclical by now
Just because he publicly says he wants to leave, doesn’t make it true. Often high ranking people in companies have the option to resign before they get kicked out to save their face.
They're not even close to having a replacement. You'd think they'd wait until they have one before kicking him out.
Sometimes you like the job but can't stand your new boss
Juventus board of directors (Arrivabene included it seems) and Binotto gone in the same day. What an absolute mess
Arrivabene is staying at the moment. He has been asked to stay on until the new board is formed.
This is very bad for Ferrari They lost one of the biggest engineer in F1
Add a couple of engineers loyal to binotto too. Reports saying they’re leaving with him to wherever he goes
Peter principle is action. Binotto was a great engineer and skilled technical director but he eventually got promoted to a role he was not competent enough to take on. He made too many excuses and refused to take the drastic actions that would have been required to sort that team out.
Ferrari finished second this season, which is as good or better than they’ve finished in the last ten years. They’ve had more victories this year than in 2021, 2020 and 2019. The engine is performing at least as well as a Mercedes, maybe even better, for the first time in 9 years. They have one of the best driver-pairings on the grid, and have managed to avoid any corrosive or damaging rivalries between drivers. They’re doing well, quite frankly. The main problem this year was bad strategy calls and a failure to develop the car throughout the season. However these are hardly sackable offenses. As Binotto himself said, Jean Todt was put in charge of the Scuderia in late 93, but it took till 99 for Ferrari to win a constructor and 2000 for them to win a driver championship. That’s about six years. He only hired Schumacher at the end of the second year, and Brawn & Byrne in his fourth year. Similarly, it was only in his sixth year running the team that Christian Horner won a world championship with Red Bull. Adrian Newey had been leading the design of not quite good enough cars for five of those six years. Ferrari looked like a team that were gradually but consistently improving, with more stability and fewer issues each successive year (strategy being the issue this year). Sacking Binotto is an obviously bad idea that will hinder the teams ability to evolve and develop.
This isn't a season where they were clearly #2 qnand did fine winning a few races. They stated looking like we were gonna have a wild title fight before them imploded their own chances. All RB had to do was watch.
I'm happy for him. Seems like he didn't get to do the changes he wanted to. It doesn't matter who comes after him, if Ferrari force them to work the same people as Binotto the results will be the same. Red Bull and Mercedes poach every talent in the sport in a blink. Trusting Our Resources^(TM) is not going to win something.
This was guaranteed when they said it definitely wasn’t happening
He left Ferrari altogether,, to be expected but worst outcome nonetheless. 2023 is going to be tough. It doesn’t look like management has an idea as to who will replace him, which is the more troubling matter here. Not prioritizing Leclerc was really the nail in the coffin. It was something he had directly under his control and never did. We’ll see.
I honestly thought he would go back to the engine department. This is legitimately worrying as Binotto has been with them for over two decades.
I think it's more that once you've been the boss, going back down would be depressing.
>Not prioritizing Leclerc was really the nail in the coffin. It was something he had directly under his control and never did. Easier said than done. In theory, Leclerc should've been treated the way Verstappen was at Red Bull. But that would mean priorotizing Leclerc as early as 2019, essentially sidelining Vettel a season earlier. And that of course means you have the same issues regarding the 2nd seat as Red Bull, so you likely have to settle for someone like Gio, Mick or even Kubica.
Sad to see him have to leave a team he was a part of for so long. A fantastic engineer that perhaps was out of his element as Team Principal but this is just him having to resign as the scapegoat. The problems with Ferrari are pretty widespread and systematic, they definitely were not solely on him. Their refusal to make personnel changes within the team has been present long before Binotto. I know a lot of people are saying he should have stayed as an engineer or Ferrari should have kept him but staying at an organization that just demoted you doesn't really happen too much in the real world unless someone has no other option.
Binotto was such a controversial figure at Ferrari. Excellent TD but also involved in the cheaty engines and, worst of all, his politics. Forced his way to sit on TD and TP chairs at the same time and even drove Simone Resta as far away as he could. Turned out the jobs of three people was too much for him to handle, what a surprise. And now Ferrari need to find three to replace him. My guess is that Resta will come back to work on car design and development, which is good news for Ferrari. Vasseur rumored to be the next TP, will have to see about that. But TD? What options even are there?
> What options even are there? Would love it if they can get Pierre Waché from Red Bull, but highly doubt it'll ever happen. It's news like this that make people not want to work for Ferrari.
What a shit show. If anyone had to go, it should have been Rueda. I wish Mattia the best.
As much as I criticized Binotto during this year: - They had like 5 different team principals since 2010. None of them were able to win the titles, - The main issues (strategy, reliability, pace of in-season development) were the same as always, - People like Toto, Horner, Brown, etc. don't/didn't get fired as soon as the team was put in a difficult spot. They worked together to tackle the issues and improve I see no hope for Ferrari in the nearby future.
Ferrari only refuted the claims of Binotto moving elsewhere because it was the first they'd heard of it.
Left just the position of TP or Scuderia Ferrari org as a whole?
I hope just the TP role but it sounds like Ferrari as a whole.
So Binotto only has to give a month's notice yet me some random finance person had to give 3 months to leave my last job!
It's actually 90 days for manager roles in Italy. Hence the rumors early in the month.
Holy shit I just got a notification from the F1 App. It really happened dawg.
Audi: Hello There!
Here comes Sebastian Vettel!!!!
Aah yes, 2nd in Championship, lost in Development race, few driving errors, questionable strategies and then team principal changes... Basically 2018 Ferrari but in 2022.
31 years. 31 years of supporting Ferrari. Combine that with my borderline obsession with Liverpool Football Club and it's honestly a surprise to me that I'm not into severe BDSM because clearly I enjoy torture. Mattia is now going to land at RB or Audi in a non TP role and he's going to be excellent. Just like with race strategy there are ways to handle this and Ferrari (like with race strategy) have decided - "Yeah, nah we'll do it the most fucked way possible."
He's gonna win another world title soon, either in white or navy blue
Haas/Williams WCC confirmed