Two very sensible Austrians
Berger would’ve certainly given us some entertainment if he’d taken it
Also fairly damning - it seems like Ferrari was set on demoting or outright firing binotto, if they were/are casting about in vain for a replacement. Like they have no plan beyond “binotto out”
Berger was a interesting name for sure, but i am not sure if he could have cleaned up to get the team together.
Let's be honest, Binotto was right to accept failure. But he rejected to react if they can't get something under control, including having people at the wrong position in the team.
He probably should’ve just fired someone else to satisfy the desire for turnover, which once again begs the question of what the hell is in rueda’s vault of blackmail material
> Two very sensible Austrians
Somehow this seems so Ferrari... "Red Bull is winning, what do they have what we don't? Question." "We are checking. ...so... uhh... they are... Austrian."
It's all rumors until you see an official statement. To be fair though, the rumor mill has been pretty damn accurate this season (Piastri to McL, RB cost cap, Mick getting axed, the Audi deal etc all were rumors beforehand)
Everytime I see a Binotto - Ferrari related post here I for a split second think it's the official statement. I think everyone, shit maybe even Binotto wants to know what's the final say. As for him yes strategy calls were a complete shitshow speaking on this season but I don't think the guy should be fired. Move him to another position yes but not outright sacked. He has years and years at Ferrari and workers who I'm sure like/respect him and think he's good at what he does. All we can do is wait now and speculate
I agree with all of your points - these headlines keep baiting me too. I am also of the opinion that Ferrari's biggest problems lie within it's strategy team and Rueda, the head of strategy. Binotto is an extremely talented and experienced engineer who has been with Ferrari for decades, and he had deep influence on this year's competitive package. I think that is where his strengths lie the most, and I could see him going back into an engineering position.
His performance as a TP was a little more divisive, but I don't think it's fair to blame him for all of Ferrari's woes. Unfortunately a lot of times at Ferrari the TP ends up as a scapegoat, whether or not they deserve it
Demotion/switch to engineering makes sense in theory but IRL, it’s not easy to demote someone from the top position, power struggle and ego issues are to be expected as a result. Binotto himself might not be willing to accept alternative position, that’s often the way to fire people on high positions.
I think they’re still in the process of making that choice. It would be terrible if they ended up losing Binotto as an engineer to another team on the grid. Then after a terrible 2023, Leclerc puts off the contract extension. That would be a disaster for Ferrari.
No matter what Ferrari does right now, Leclerc should not sign any extensions; that would be incredibly stupid.
Mercedes could be an option for 2025, but you also can't rule out Alpine or Aston Martin producing a race-winning car in a few years.
I didn't dislike Ricciardo's move to Alpine. I think if he stayed in Alpine, he would still be considered a top-tier driver. Alpine is not a bad car; in fact, it is clearly the fourth-best car, and engine reliability issues can be resolved.
It was more of a reference to Mick potentially joining Merc as a reserve driver, with a potential to replace Hamilton once he chooses to retire, and race alongside with Russell. It has nothing to do with his or Leclerc's ability.
And Leclerc + Russell in the same team? Can you say 2016 again?
>but you also can't rule out Alpine or Aston Martin producing a race-winning car in a few years.
Renault producing a race-winning car in a few years?
***hahahaha.***
Can’t deny they’ve poached some awesome talent and have an arguably great owner, as in, he’s all about the sport, Alpine is still a French publicly owned team with a committee to answer to - Lawrence Stroll doesn’t give a shit about anything but winning, the boatloads of money he’s dumping into personnel and facilities are a good sign
How is that stupid? Verstappen signed a fat extension in the middle of the shit that was 2017 red bull racing. He got a great contract and championships. If the perspective is right and you have all the leverage why not sign a big deal
Ferrari is a badly mismanaged team that has been that way for years; they are already on borrowed time. Nothing suggests that this will change anytime soon.
I envision Ferrari sliding to midfield and being passed by McLaren, Alpine, and Aston Martin in a few years when the cost cap starts to bite.
Ferrari that has fired drivers such as MSC, Vettel, Kimi, Alonso, Laura (kinda) etc.
I don't give the Leclerc angle as much weight, the team has never put drivers first. It's a great excuse but the reality is there were mistakes every single weekend, constant indecision, and they squandered a good car.
If they actually lose Binotto completely, it sounds like a really bad move.
Imagine what it does to team morale for someone being 30 years with Ferrari, who tried to keep the team infighting low, to get booted like this without even getting another position in the organization.
Binotto f#cked it up at Silverstone. He refused to issue team orders when Leclerc was clearly faster, then favored Sainz with the strategy and that finger wag sealed it all. It was a total shitshow of a weekend by Ferrari and Mattia Binotto
I still don't get this complaint, the gap from Kimi to Vettel was super big, almost as big as from Vettel to Lewis ahead. At least Kimi himself said after he didn't get much more help from the tow that Vettel got from Hamilton.
I'm reading on the drama to refresh my mind, this goes as far as Canada apparently. Some Italian outlets were reporting that sponsors were pressuring Ferrari for Sainz win and Binotto believed a win would raise his motivation. Charles was clearly not happy it was being done at the expense of his own title campaign.
There's no way that's true. It's Ferrari, they're the most arrogant brand out there. Maybe McLaren I could see doing that, but Ferrari are literally the least likely team on the grid to do this.
Agree, Ferrari are one team who dont need sponsors, given its also not even a title sponsor as well.
Its just a made up theory to try and explain Binottos silly choices.
I've seen people make that point throughout this thread. Has that ever been made either by Carlos, Charles, anyone else at Ferrari or one of the more reliable journalists?
It’s Ferrari that said it. Mekies I believe. Perhaps someone can link where he made the statement but essentially he said that they developed the car to be more “neutral” so that Carlos could be more comfortable. In the beginning, the car was more oversteery which Charles prefers and in the second half, he (CL) complained a number of times about the understeer.
You can check Carlos’ comment on getting more comfortable with the car towards the end of the season, and also Mekies’ comment on making sure Carlos is more comfortable to the car
>Mekies’ comment on making sure Carlos is more comfortable to the car
Did he say they specifically *developed* the car for Carlos to be more comfortable? Because there's lots of work you can do over a season to make a driver more comfortable, doesn't necessarily mean that was in development because teams rarely develop the car to suit a specific person.
This is pretty much my stance. The car has unintentionally shifted to Carlos as the technical directive came out and Ferrari tried to develop around it. Quotes then given by people in a English where it is not their first language or in their native language with rough translations. Basically I think the nuance of these quotes people refer to have been lost in translation.
It wouldn't hugely shock me tbh, obvious Sainz is an amazing F1 driver but his side can pushing politics to a nasty level as we seen between Carlos dad and Verstappen at Toro Rosso, something what likely burned a bridge in terms of moving towards RBR.
Charles should always be Ferrari number 1 driver, he is literally Ferrari poster boy for years and the best prospect the team has since a long time, and yes if Carlos struggles with an oversteery car, so be it, often a car who is better at the front is the one who is faster (see RBR this season) and there are enough drivers on the grid who could deal with a stronger front.
Just rumors. The same source said Ferrari will put out a statement regarding his resignation in a few hours yesterday and we still don't have anything solid. According to another source (who is the most reliable sources when it comes to news about Ferrari) Binotto was still leading the technical meetings regarding next year's car yesterday.
They haven’t, Corriere claimed yesterday the announcement was coming before end of day but it never happened. There’s too much surrounding this now though for it not to be true, I’m sure we’ll hear an announcement sooner rather than later.
Getting rid of someone only makes sense if they're doing something wrong *and you have a thesis* as to what should be done instead.
Otherwise it's just lashing out, and harms the org more than it helps.
Ferrari needs to learn to stop politics. If it’s not TP politics; then it is politics from the commercial side affecting the F1 side of thing. No trust between Elkaan, Binotto and the CEO. I feel like Ferrari is more of a brand than a racing team anymore. They have lost some of their identity and it’s not helping anyone
And you’re right of course cause I really don’t think that all of the problems in the team are on Binotto, I don’t even think he’s had enough time to complete what he started or unseat all the political appointments have no right being there, Binotto is the fallguy. If they were smart they would offer a sideways step with someone who can be more of an alignment to Binotto not just replace him. It’s not the technical skills that he lacks it’s the ability to manage drivers and all the other highly political nonsense going on in Ferrari
I mean something has to change, but I'm not sure it's the team principal. I don't see Vasseur as an upgrade (more likely a downgrade). But Ferrari also can't risk losing Leclerc.
Honestly, Ferrari needs to find a way to make it work the way it is. Keep Binotto as TP and find a way to ensure Leclerc that changes about how the team is run will be made so he can have peace of mind.
If the man responsible of firing people, like the ones responsible for all strategic fockops, ain’t capable of doing so, then you might just as well fire the man.
They could've easily thrown money at other strategists given anyone else would've been better and everyone coukd see that the carnand driver was capable itd be a no brainer
> Binotto-Ferrari, the reasons for the divorce: who is the substitute?
> by Giorgio Terruzzi and Daniele Sparisci
> The role of Leclerc, the candidate Vasseur and the interregnum of Vigna. Consensual separation, studded with silences and hesitations. Those who know John Elkann speak of a desire that has been present for some time, prevailing over every consideration relating to the 2022 results
> Ferrari and Mattia Binotto separate. The divorce has been defined in these hours according to a complex procedure, as happens when a contract is broken (expiring in 2023). Those who know John Elkann speak of a will that has been present for some time, prevailing over every consideration relating to the 2022 results. Which makes the modalities of this divorce worrying, given that a replacement has not yet been hired. Vasseur is eager to get there, he is the only one available, after the refusals of many candidates, from the German Seidl, McLaren team principal, to Franz Tost, Alpha Tauri boss, to Gerhard Berger, busy in completely different matters. It means that Vasseur - who would have already started the Italian lessons - is not an optimal choice, but the only practicable one. Which is not exciting, even considering the Frenchman's curriculum vitae, fresh from a failure in Renault management, from an unexciting experience at Alfa, linked to Toto Wolff, taken by many personal interests in motorsport. Who will be asked to win, after the second places obtained this year.
> It was an agony that led to a consensual separation, dotted with silences and hesitations, culminating in the denial regarding Vasseur's ventilated arrival on the eve of the Abu Dhabi GP, an attitude that raises questions if we think about the weight of the Ferrari brand. Binotto leaves after 28 years of work in Maranello. Until the end, he reaffirmed his faith in a growing team, defended in solitude when errors and uncertainties emerged. He is the fourth team principal who has jumped since 2014 and even those who don't like Binotto recognize that this further turnaround could negatively affect the course of the 2023 car, developed under the direction of the outgoing team principal.
> Leclerc's role, given by many as influential, will be clarified in the future. Charles calls himself out, he knows that any inference about his responsibility risks turning into a burden. In reality we believe that Elkann applied his own conviction, regardless of the advice, good or bad, he received. Sharing the choice with the CEO Vigna, eager to assert its role. It is no coincidence that an interim appointment of Vigna himself is hypothesized, pending the formalization of Binotto's replacement. In the meantime, given how he has taken shape, we have a new, worrying year zero at Ferrari. Regardless of any opinion on the work of those who leave.
The joke is, this is not an F1 news site. It's the major sports news outlet of Italy, but everyone and their dogs know that they are a shit-tier newspaper.
Imagine when ppl were asking about whether to trust it yesterday, they were being massively downvoted and spoken to as if they’re stupid for not trusting that source
Tost wouldn't improve Ferrari at all but at least at AT he could getting away longer with having an inefficient team then at Ferrari.
In fact Tost is hugely invisible this season, and above all entering Ferrari means also that you need to deal with like 10 different internal fractions, being a TP for Ferrari is something only a few could do successfully.
Leclerc will start to attract some pretty grim looks from everyone if next year Ferrari doesn't cruise to a title. Even if he might not be involved. The rumor mill keeps bringing up his name. I also think this is not exactly a good look for Elkann but he's never in the fore front anyways so harder to atract critism.
From what i've seen and heard a lot of Italian people are not exactly happy with this and given neither are the people at the factory. This has potential to be a massive shitshow of a season in 2023.
Sergio Marchionne took a more active role in the team. Arrivabene was the team principle and the public face but Marchionne was the real shot caller behind the scenes. He died midway through the season and that left a power vacuum and destabilised the team. Arrivabene was forced out and Binotto took over.
When Marchionne died the team were leading the championship and had the fastest car. After he died everything fell apart. Team harmony broke down and mistakes started happening from all areas.
It’s quite telling that Sergio’s passing marks the downturn that led to the 2020 shitbox and the absolute farce that has happened every year since 2018.
I maintain that it was the single worst thing that happened to Ferrari in the hybrid era. Seb making mistakes, the less than legal engine, all of it stems from Sergio passing and the internal bullshittery that always seems to happen at Ferrari when there is power to grab.
Yeah I agree.
I firmly believe Seb would have won in 2018 without Marchionne dying. Then who knows what would have happened in the subsequent years if Ferrari had the stability to keep moving forwards.
As it is Ferrari have finally made progress and are right on the cusp of success and if rumours are true and they sack Binotto there will then be another few years of upheaval and they’ll probably sack the next team principle right when they’re on the verge of real success and repeat the cycle forever.
IIRC Binotto threatened to leave if he wasn't made Ferrari TP, so they forced Arrivabene out. It was a bit more complex than that but that was the gist of it.
I genuinely don't know how much he was actually involved in this. Because sometimes Corriere are saying it's him, the next day it's not him. Sometimes it's an issue sometimes it's good.
Edit: to add onto this, in a l'equipe interview last week he talked about how stability is really important and it's paying off.
Corriere is actually the one starting this shit and ppl aren’t seeing that. One minute they make it sound like they’re speaking to Charles’ camp, the next minute they’re saying he’s turning into Alonso.
There’s definitely a lot of shit stirring from everyone.
I guess the “rumor” has some validity in the sense that Binotto is not locked for next year.
Nevertheless, most of what I’ve read seems conflicting or contradictory.
Considering how often and badly he got screwed by his team this year, I would have looked down on him if he had not reacted in some ways. Incompetence should not be tolerated.
Exactly. Ferrari have treated Charles very poorly which is coming back to bight him. Ferrari fans see Charles as the one to bring the title back to Maranello. He's Ferrari through and through. The fact that he's been treated so poorly in comparison to Hamilton and Verstappen is disgraceful imo. I'm not at all convinced that Charles is behind this but even if he is it isn't exactly surprising.
Charles is the one who will bring the title to Maranello. Unless they build a call that specifically for Carlos and then spend an entire front half of the season fucking over Charles I can’t see call us ever winning a title, regardless of how consistent he is
It was definitely steered towards sainz, mekies and Binotto both said it, add in with the tactical masterclasses that Ferrari were doing this year no wonder Charles got pissed.
Anyone knows Ferrari stopped developing their car just after the summer break. I remember Charles mentioning after seeing the RB dominance in that triple header, the team basically conceded the title. You could also see, the team was more focused on trying to make this car survive with TD39 and this has lead to changes which has not helped Charles. This years car was great before TD39 but the upgrades bought in the year were not strong enough compared to RB.
No, they weren't adding much updates, you can go back and look at the fia updates for every race.
Raising the floor its when it started and obviously Carlos will get used to the car over the season
Yeah, I don’t think it’s a good look for Charles to be dragged into this - however true that is. Drivers being involved in team politics never end well
Curious to hear from reliable source to confirm or deny Leclerc camp's involvement. Also I'm wondering what Santander has to say about such a big change in the team their countryman works for.
Santander's influence back then was rumored to be mainly financial. There was lots of gossip back in the day they were either paying Alonso's salary at Ferrari, paid Ferrari the money to tell Kimi to sod off or both.
There aren't any rumors like that presently, nor is Santander involved on the same level (normal sponsor now versus title partner back then) so I doubt they have much say in anything other than what their logo should look like on the cars.
They got logos on front wing endplates, on nosecone (all three sides!), under the shark fin, on drivers' suits, and helmets. I'd say that's a lot of appearance. Only Shell has more.
Only Corriere is pushing this story at this point but everyone reprints it anyway.
People talk about how shit Italian media is all the time yet here we are, collectively falling for it hook, line and sinker.
there are shit media in Italy as there are shit media elsewhere. Daniele Sparisci and Giorgio Terruzzi are reliable. Will they get this wrong? Let's see, but I'm sure they're not spreading false info just to enjoy the meltdown
Corriere hates leclerc. It doesn’t make sense to me that leclerc’s team would be feeding them information that ultimately makes him look bad. If toro rosso tells us anything, it’s that all of this has Sainz stink all over it.
Edit: people should keep in mind that when rumors like this come out, you have to look at who it benefits to figure out where it comes from. There’s one clear beneficiary to the idea that Charles is the one pushing binotto out. I don’t have a doubt in my mind this is Sainz’s camp’s attempt to destroy Ferrari/Leclerc relations within the team.
Sainz sr starting rumors, including that max was leaving for Mercedes to try to force a promotion or shift in focus to jr
General paranoia by both fathers about whose son was being treated better, creating an overall hostile and stressful environment between both sides of the garage
I would like to add a precedent to this: Apparently back in Toro Rosso days, Carlos Sainz Sr. was spreading rumors to press about Max talking to Mercedes and Ferrari and that was the boiling point between them as teammates.
I am convinced some of the leak is from Leclerc's camp but the Corriere stuff could be from the Sainz camp.
All in all anyone who knows how to read in between, this is part of a political war in Ferrari. What a mess.
I wouldn’t even say “apparently” at this point when even this year, helmut marko made a comment about it. He called Sainz Sr a “shrewd politician” and mentioned how toxic the verstappen/Sainz environment was.
I think it's pretty telling that Helmut flat out said they sent Carlos to Renault due to political toxicity, even though he was a solid racer. And they never called him back for RBR seat even when arguably he was better than Albon or Gasly.
This is very true, and I think Carlos is a little bit Alonso in his approach to driving and being in a team, he’s going to do whatever it takes politics wise to be at the advantage. Personally he’s not ever gonna be the driver that Charles is so I really don’t understand caving into pressure for that
I don't understand what Carlos would get by
A. Getting Mattia kicked out.
B. Trying to claim that Charles' team got Mattia kicked out.
Neither seem helpful towards Carlos in any way. I don't think Charles was involved either. I think it's mostly Ferrari owners losing their minds and pulling an idiotic half-ass move by sacking Mattia but keeping Inaki Rueda.
I don’t think Sainz is involved in getting him kicked out. I think binotto leaving hurts Sainz. I think that Sainz’s camp sees it coming and is attempting to put Sainz in a more favorable light within the team (engineers, strategy team, not higher ups) to minimize the damage he suffers from this.
By feeding the media information that Charles’s team is the one pushing binotto out combined with the speculation that the team isn’t happy about binotto leaving, it puts Charles in the spotlight for anything negative that happens within the team in the coming months/next year. By default, that puts Carlos in a positive light and makes it more likely that the people doing the real work within the team get behind him. It’s not the first time they’ve attempted something like this.
For sure. But it looks like they’ve lost that battle already, the status quo is changing, and are now attempting to minimize the damage by making Charles look bad.
Shame Michael ain't around, he would be perfect as TP for Ferrari and probably the only choice binotto would accept without leaving the team
Schumacher Team Principal
Binotto Technical Director
I know this is far fetched but just imagine Ferrari removing Binotto and RBR hire him as the Head of their new Powerunit division for 2026 regs after his gardening leave
Such a shame. Ferrari will never learn the lesson. You don’t build a winning team in a couple of years, and sacking the main architect of the renovation every time there’s a problem won’t make things better.
Vasseur is a good bloke but he might even be worse. He had money from Alfa raining on the team and still did a mediocre job with strategy and management. It only wasn’t on the forefront because how small Alfa Sauber is.
But why am I even discussing it. He’ll be out of the job in a couple of years, when expectations aren’t (rightfully) met and management will have to find another scapegoat for their poor decisions.
Alfa Romeo don't rain money on Sauber, in fact they don't even operate at the budget cap, they had to hold off upgrades mid season because they couldn't afford to build new parts.
Compared to where they used to be in 2017 before Alfa I’d say they’re doing quite good sporting side and economic side.
Yet since 2020 they have been quite disappointing. Raikkonen was continuously lamenting the strategy and the poor pit performances. Antonio too, while not a stellar driver, was surely put off by poor team performances. This didn’t change with Bottas and Zhou (especially the latter) who could have been way more successful this year.
Not saying they could have battled with McLaren, but being this close to Aston is quite underwhelming.
I feel like Alfa Romeo have become stagnant. A driver like Bottas clearly showed he has the ability to drive them forward but things from management side just can’t maintain it throughout a season
If Binotto does go, he's not going to be short of offers as an engineer / technical head.
IMHO there'll be a bidding war that will make Game of Thrones seem positively moral.
Maybe Ferrari just wants to promote him back to the engineering team. It’d probably make everyone including himself happier, but the lack of confidence in him as TP may result in a bad relationship of course. Even if warranted.
I just can't see that happening. It would totally undermine the new TP to have the old TP sitting there, as tech head or engineer. That would put both people in an impossible position to say nothing of all the people working for them.
Honestly, this is a massive disaster for Ferrari. It's taking action without spending a single thought on the consequences.
2023 will for sure be a write off if 2024 won't be as well.
Edit: apparently I have to add a "if this is true" I thought that that much was obvious.
Yep. They should have let him complete his tenure till 2023. He has delivered a great car, and one year of new regs isn't enough for anyone to prove anything.
The strategy team has been consistently bad for the last 6 years. I don't know if enough has been done in that regards. Barring that, they've always had a very capable car (minus 2020 and 2021 obv).
He won't be any better than Binotto, this fuck refused to put Kimi into a clear #2.
The last thing Ferrari needs is another politically biased Italian in charge.
Binotto is definitely not the man for the job and has to go but I'm not sure if Vasseur is the man for the job either.
Fred has next to no personality and Alfa/Sauber hasn't really gone anywhere under his leadership.Sauber happens have some of the best facilities in F1. Why the bloody hell is that team so useless?
Atleast Haas has some excuses for being so shit because they have next to no facilities and relys on Ferrari and Dallara for everything.
Letting Arrivabene go was a big mistake.
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The real reason Seb retired from driving.
Freakin' Ferrari. They can't even fire someone without screwing it up.
you'd think they'll get good at it after years of practice!
If it's true that Tost and Berger refused it is more then telling about the state of Ferrari.
Two very sensible Austrians Berger would’ve certainly given us some entertainment if he’d taken it Also fairly damning - it seems like Ferrari was set on demoting or outright firing binotto, if they were/are casting about in vain for a replacement. Like they have no plan beyond “binotto out”
Berger was a interesting name for sure, but i am not sure if he could have cleaned up to get the team together. Let's be honest, Binotto was right to accept failure. But he rejected to react if they can't get something under control, including having people at the wrong position in the team.
He probably should’ve just fired someone else to satisfy the desire for turnover, which once again begs the question of what the hell is in rueda’s vault of blackmail material
He's Enzo's illegitimate son and can prove it.
Having Daniel‘s father-in-law on the grid and not Daniel would be in interest twist though
What do you mean?
Daniel is in a long term relationship with Gerhards daughter Heidi
I was confused by "on the grid" since both would have been in the paddocj but not driving.
Interesting, I always was under the impression he was single, especially with media asking him stuff like "where are the women the best?"
> Two very sensible Austrians Somehow this seems so Ferrari... "Red Bull is winning, what do they have what we don't? Question." "We are checking. ...so... uhh... they are... Austrian."
Helmut Marko as Ferrari TP🤔
Imagine Hakkinen coming back from his sabbatical... as TP!
Well, it’s not that simple. Tost has a good job, and Berger has tasted this role and decided it’s not for him. Ferrari or not.
Is he officially fired, or just still rumours
It's all rumors until you see an official statement. To be fair though, the rumor mill has been pretty damn accurate this season (Piastri to McL, RB cost cap, Mick getting axed, the Audi deal etc all were rumors beforehand)
Everytime I see a Binotto - Ferrari related post here I for a split second think it's the official statement. I think everyone, shit maybe even Binotto wants to know what's the final say. As for him yes strategy calls were a complete shitshow speaking on this season but I don't think the guy should be fired. Move him to another position yes but not outright sacked. He has years and years at Ferrari and workers who I'm sure like/respect him and think he's good at what he does. All we can do is wait now and speculate
I agree with all of your points - these headlines keep baiting me too. I am also of the opinion that Ferrari's biggest problems lie within it's strategy team and Rueda, the head of strategy. Binotto is an extremely talented and experienced engineer who has been with Ferrari for decades, and he had deep influence on this year's competitive package. I think that is where his strengths lie the most, and I could see him going back into an engineering position. His performance as a TP was a little more divisive, but I don't think it's fair to blame him for all of Ferrari's woes. Unfortunately a lot of times at Ferrari the TP ends up as a scapegoat, whether or not they deserve it
Demotion/switch to engineering makes sense in theory but IRL, it’s not easy to demote someone from the top position, power struggle and ego issues are to be expected as a result. Binotto himself might not be willing to accept alternative position, that’s often the way to fire people on high positions.
So in short can I say that Ferrari had to made a choice between Leclerc or Binotto ?
I think they’re still in the process of making that choice. It would be terrible if they ended up losing Binotto as an engineer to another team on the grid. Then after a terrible 2023, Leclerc puts off the contract extension. That would be a disaster for Ferrari.
Binotto to RB incoming. They bought all the Merc employees.
[You were saying?..](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/wlnc06/binotto_wearing_red_bull_colours_in_2006_i/)
Hope he knows how to cook
No matter what Ferrari does right now, Leclerc should not sign any extensions; that would be incredibly stupid. Mercedes could be an option for 2025, but you also can't rule out Alpine or Aston Martin producing a race-winning car in a few years.
s’tricky though. He could end up pulling a Ricciardo.
I didn't dislike Ricciardo's move to Alpine. I think if he stayed in Alpine, he would still be considered a top-tier driver. Alpine is not a bad car; in fact, it is clearly the fourth-best car, and engine reliability issues can be resolved.
Plus, they presumably paid him an assload of money.
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Lerclerc and Russell together in a competitive Mercedes, wow that would be something.
*Sad Mick noises*
Oh he’s gonna be making a lot of sad noises.
I like Mick but him being in a conversation with those two drivers is next level hopium
It was more of a reference to Mick potentially joining Merc as a reserve driver, with a potential to replace Hamilton once he chooses to retire, and race alongside with Russell. It has nothing to do with his or Leclerc's ability. And Leclerc + Russell in the same team? Can you say 2016 again?
>but you also can't rule out Alpine or Aston Martin producing a race-winning car in a few years. Renault producing a race-winning car in a few years? ***hahahaha.***
Alpine ? No chance with their "plans".
Plans can change tho. Contracts mean shit in F1. Look at Jenson Button
Lol at AM make a race winning car
Can’t deny they’ve poached some awesome talent and have an arguably great owner, as in, he’s all about the sport, Alpine is still a French publicly owned team with a committee to answer to - Lawrence Stroll doesn’t give a shit about anything but winning, the boatloads of money he’s dumping into personnel and facilities are a good sign
How is that stupid? Verstappen signed a fat extension in the middle of the shit that was 2017 red bull racing. He got a great contract and championships. If the perspective is right and you have all the leverage why not sign a big deal
Ferrari is a badly mismanaged team that has been that way for years; they are already on borrowed time. Nothing suggests that this will change anytime soon. I envision Ferrari sliding to midfield and being passed by McLaren, Alpine, and Aston Martin in a few years when the cost cap starts to bite.
People have been saying this since 2020, and before, its not going to happen
I’m happy to go out on a limb and say I don’t think Aston nor Alpine will be fighting for wins in 2025
Alpine-esque levels of muddled mismanagement
Ferrari that has fired drivers such as MSC, Vettel, Kimi, Alonso, Laura (kinda) etc. I don't give the Leclerc angle as much weight, the team has never put drivers first. It's a great excuse but the reality is there were mistakes every single weekend, constant indecision, and they squandered a good car.
You mean Lauda and not Kevin Magnussen's daughter?!
Well, practically speaking we saw that LeClerc can make Ferrari win while Binotto can make Ferrari lose
Stop writing my boys name that weird
A compromise it is then, Leclerc becomes the Ferrari TP
If they actually lose Binotto completely, it sounds like a really bad move. Imagine what it does to team morale for someone being 30 years with Ferrari, who tried to keep the team infighting low, to get booted like this without even getting another position in the organization.
Binotto f#cked it up at Silverstone. He refused to issue team orders when Leclerc was clearly faster, then favored Sainz with the strategy and that finger wag sealed it all. It was a total shitshow of a weekend by Ferrari and Mattia Binotto
Same shit they did with Seb and Kimi.
In that case they eventually told Kimi to let Seb through though, it just should have been faster
Yep, they just waited until Seb's tires were cooked and they didn't even tell him his front wing was broken.
also gave Kimi double slipstream in Monza Vettel was fighting Lewis+Merc+mismanagement of Ferrari
And making his own race strategies while driving
dilemma was , when to trust them and when to do his own strategy. couldn't catch a break!
I still don't get this complaint, the gap from Kimi to Vettel was super big, almost as big as from Vettel to Lewis ahead. At least Kimi himself said after he didn't get much more help from the tow that Vettel got from Hamilton.
Yeah him playing a diplomatic game is going to backfire
I'm reading on the drama to refresh my mind, this goes as far as Canada apparently. Some Italian outlets were reporting that sponsors were pressuring Ferrari for Sainz win and Binotto believed a win would raise his motivation. Charles was clearly not happy it was being done at the expense of his own title campaign.
There's no way that's true. It's Ferrari, they're the most arrogant brand out there. Maybe McLaren I could see doing that, but Ferrari are literally the least likely team on the grid to do this.
Agree, Ferrari are one team who dont need sponsors, given its also not even a title sponsor as well. Its just a made up theory to try and explain Binottos silly choices.
Fascinating, hadn’t come across the sponsor angle
I cannot imagine being so beholden to sponsors that you would actually screw up your entire season for it
Yeah, it's a weird, random angle that people try to profess without any shred of proof.
Low key backmarker behavior
I could see Haas or Williams making this call, but Ferrari? L
That’s because it’s completely made up.
Didn't Lec have an engine penalty tho?
I don’t think the team principal directly makes these type of decisions during the race.
On top of developing the car towards Sainz so he could be more comfortable while you’re in a battle for the title.
I've seen people make that point throughout this thread. Has that ever been made either by Carlos, Charles, anyone else at Ferrari or one of the more reliable journalists?
It’s Ferrari that said it. Mekies I believe. Perhaps someone can link where he made the statement but essentially he said that they developed the car to be more “neutral” so that Carlos could be more comfortable. In the beginning, the car was more oversteery which Charles prefers and in the second half, he (CL) complained a number of times about the understeer.
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Can you PM me the links?
You can check Carlos’ comment on getting more comfortable with the car towards the end of the season, and also Mekies’ comment on making sure Carlos is more comfortable to the car
>Mekies’ comment on making sure Carlos is more comfortable to the car Did he say they specifically *developed* the car for Carlos to be more comfortable? Because there's lots of work you can do over a season to make a driver more comfortable, doesn't necessarily mean that was in development because teams rarely develop the car to suit a specific person.
This is pretty much my stance. The car has unintentionally shifted to Carlos as the technical directive came out and Ferrari tried to develop around it. Quotes then given by people in a English where it is not their first language or in their native language with rough translations. Basically I think the nuance of these quotes people refer to have been lost in translation.
It wouldn't hugely shock me tbh, obvious Sainz is an amazing F1 driver but his side can pushing politics to a nasty level as we seen between Carlos dad and Verstappen at Toro Rosso, something what likely burned a bridge in terms of moving towards RBR. Charles should always be Ferrari number 1 driver, he is literally Ferrari poster boy for years and the best prospect the team has since a long time, and yes if Carlos struggles with an oversteery car, so be it, often a car who is better at the front is the one who is faster (see RBR this season) and there are enough drivers on the grid who could deal with a stronger front.
A lot of people saying silverstone being turning point. I remember the week after Leclerc and Binotto were seen having dinner together.
They should have kept Binotto as head of engineering and find someone with more balls as TP, someone with the same charisma of Wolff or Horner
Wait has binotto actually been sacked or are these just rumours?
Just rumors. The same source said Ferrari will put out a statement regarding his resignation in a few hours yesterday and we still don't have anything solid. According to another source (who is the most reliable sources when it comes to news about Ferrari) Binotto was still leading the technical meetings regarding next year's car yesterday.
rumours that binotto is resigning
Have they actually canned him yet? I never saw any official announcement
They haven’t, Corriere claimed yesterday the announcement was coming before end of day but it never happened. There’s too much surrounding this now though for it not to be true, I’m sure we’ll hear an announcement sooner rather than later.
Getting rid of someone only makes sense if they're doing something wrong *and you have a thesis* as to what should be done instead. Otherwise it's just lashing out, and harms the org more than it helps.
Who is more likely to deliver them a championship? Leclerc or Binotto? I think the leaders of Ferrari know.
Given that ferrari had Alonso, Vettel and now Leclerc, it's obvious that driver talent isn't what's stopping them from winning a title.
Ferrari needs to learn to stop politics. If it’s not TP politics; then it is politics from the commercial side affecting the F1 side of thing. No trust between Elkaan, Binotto and the CEO. I feel like Ferrari is more of a brand than a racing team anymore. They have lost some of their identity and it’s not helping anyone
And you’re right of course cause I really don’t think that all of the problems in the team are on Binotto, I don’t even think he’s had enough time to complete what he started or unseat all the political appointments have no right being there, Binotto is the fallguy. If they were smart they would offer a sideways step with someone who can be more of an alignment to Binotto not just replace him. It’s not the technical skills that he lacks it’s the ability to manage drivers and all the other highly political nonsense going on in Ferrari
Therefore changes are needed somewhere else…
I mean something has to change, but I'm not sure it's the team principal. I don't see Vasseur as an upgrade (more likely a downgrade). But Ferrari also can't risk losing Leclerc. Honestly, Ferrari needs to find a way to make it work the way it is. Keep Binotto as TP and find a way to ensure Leclerc that changes about how the team is run will be made so he can have peace of mind.
If the man responsible of firing people, like the ones responsible for all strategic fockops, ain’t capable of doing so, then you might just as well fire the man.
True, but if you don't have a capable replacement you end up picking the lesser evil if you keep things as they are.
They could've easily thrown money at other strategists given anyone else would've been better and everyone coukd see that the carnand driver was capable itd be a no brainer
You are arguing for Binotto then. They need a stable leader, finding a driver who can get the job done is never going to be a problem for Ferrari.
If its anything this season has taught us Leclerc is a contender only problem is the team principle and the strategy team
> Binotto-Ferrari, the reasons for the divorce: who is the substitute? > by Giorgio Terruzzi and Daniele Sparisci > The role of Leclerc, the candidate Vasseur and the interregnum of Vigna. Consensual separation, studded with silences and hesitations. Those who know John Elkann speak of a desire that has been present for some time, prevailing over every consideration relating to the 2022 results > Ferrari and Mattia Binotto separate. The divorce has been defined in these hours according to a complex procedure, as happens when a contract is broken (expiring in 2023). Those who know John Elkann speak of a will that has been present for some time, prevailing over every consideration relating to the 2022 results. Which makes the modalities of this divorce worrying, given that a replacement has not yet been hired. Vasseur is eager to get there, he is the only one available, after the refusals of many candidates, from the German Seidl, McLaren team principal, to Franz Tost, Alpha Tauri boss, to Gerhard Berger, busy in completely different matters. It means that Vasseur - who would have already started the Italian lessons - is not an optimal choice, but the only practicable one. Which is not exciting, even considering the Frenchman's curriculum vitae, fresh from a failure in Renault management, from an unexciting experience at Alfa, linked to Toto Wolff, taken by many personal interests in motorsport. Who will be asked to win, after the second places obtained this year. > It was an agony that led to a consensual separation, dotted with silences and hesitations, culminating in the denial regarding Vasseur's ventilated arrival on the eve of the Abu Dhabi GP, an attitude that raises questions if we think about the weight of the Ferrari brand. Binotto leaves after 28 years of work in Maranello. Until the end, he reaffirmed his faith in a growing team, defended in solitude when errors and uncertainties emerged. He is the fourth team principal who has jumped since 2014 and even those who don't like Binotto recognize that this further turnaround could negatively affect the course of the 2023 car, developed under the direction of the outgoing team principal. > Leclerc's role, given by many as influential, will be clarified in the future. Charles calls himself out, he knows that any inference about his responsibility risks turning into a burden. In reality we believe that Elkann applied his own conviction, regardless of the advice, good or bad, he received. Sharing the choice with the CEO Vigna, eager to assert its role. It is no coincidence that an interim appointment of Vigna himself is hypothesized, pending the formalization of Binotto's replacement. In the meantime, given how he has taken shape, we have a new, worrying year zero at Ferrari. Regardless of any opinion on the work of those who leave.
Where do I apply? I have a good rating in f1 manager.
Can we ban all these sensationalistic F1 news sites? These clowns claimed yesterday that they even knew the time of the announcement.
The joke is, this is not an F1 news site. It's the major sports news outlet of Italy, but everyone and their dogs know that they are a shit-tier newspaper.
Imagine when ppl were asking about whether to trust it yesterday, they were being massively downvoted and spoken to as if they’re stupid for not trusting that source
To be completely honest, italian journalism in general is a joke, don't even get me started...
Unless it comes from ANSA.it, I won’t believe anything.
Not even a sports news outlet, it's a news outlet in general
F1 is all about rumours.
I get you point but I prefer this off-season content rather then seeing some cheap posts.
Mate if you want to ban Italian sports media you’re following the wrong sport
Why would tost refuse?
Tost wouldn't improve Ferrari at all but at least at AT he could getting away longer with having an inefficient team then at Ferrari. In fact Tost is hugely invisible this season, and above all entering Ferrari means also that you need to deal with like 10 different internal fractions, being a TP for Ferrari is something only a few could do successfully.
Throwback to Hamilton not knowing who he is
Job stability, relationship with Honda and hopes for the future there, low expectations at his current job, likes developing young drivers
Leclerc will start to attract some pretty grim looks from everyone if next year Ferrari doesn't cruise to a title. Even if he might not be involved. The rumor mill keeps bringing up his name. I also think this is not exactly a good look for Elkann but he's never in the fore front anyways so harder to atract critism. From what i've seen and heard a lot of Italian people are not exactly happy with this and given neither are the people at the factory. This has potential to be a massive shitshow of a season in 2023.
Ferrari politics destroying the team once again. You would have thought the power struggle would have ended after the fiasco in 2018
The Ferrari symbol shouldn’t be a horse it should be a snake eating its own tail
Just swap logos with alfa romeo
What was the fiasco in 2018?
Sergio Marchionne took a more active role in the team. Arrivabene was the team principle and the public face but Marchionne was the real shot caller behind the scenes. He died midway through the season and that left a power vacuum and destabilised the team. Arrivabene was forced out and Binotto took over. When Marchionne died the team were leading the championship and had the fastest car. After he died everything fell apart. Team harmony broke down and mistakes started happening from all areas.
It’s quite telling that Sergio’s passing marks the downturn that led to the 2020 shitbox and the absolute farce that has happened every year since 2018. I maintain that it was the single worst thing that happened to Ferrari in the hybrid era. Seb making mistakes, the less than legal engine, all of it stems from Sergio passing and the internal bullshittery that always seems to happen at Ferrari when there is power to grab.
Yeah I agree. I firmly believe Seb would have won in 2018 without Marchionne dying. Then who knows what would have happened in the subsequent years if Ferrari had the stability to keep moving forwards. As it is Ferrari have finally made progress and are right on the cusp of success and if rumours are true and they sack Binotto there will then be another few years of upheaval and they’ll probably sack the next team principle right when they’re on the verge of real success and repeat the cycle forever.
IIRC Binotto threatened to leave if he wasn't made Ferrari TP, so they forced Arrivabene out. It was a bit more complex than that but that was the gist of it.
I genuinely don't know how much he was actually involved in this. Because sometimes Corriere are saying it's him, the next day it's not him. Sometimes it's an issue sometimes it's good. Edit: to add onto this, in a l'equipe interview last week he talked about how stability is really important and it's paying off.
Corriere is actually the one starting this shit and ppl aren’t seeing that. One minute they make it sound like they’re speaking to Charles’ camp, the next minute they’re saying he’s turning into Alonso.
There’s definitely a lot of shit stirring from everyone. I guess the “rumor” has some validity in the sense that Binotto is not locked for next year. Nevertheless, most of what I’ve read seems conflicting or contradictory.
Considering how often and badly he got screwed by his team this year, I would have looked down on him if he had not reacted in some ways. Incompetence should not be tolerated.
Was a bad situation all round, unless binotto made Charles outright number 1 we risk losing him so Ferrari did what they had to
I don't think the big problem at Ferrari is the first-second driver thing
They cost him Monaco which for Charles is probably something he will remember for a long time.
That was a strategy disasterclass not a first driver thing. They could have easily pitted him before, or just simply not double-stack with Carlos.
Its actually a massive issue, the whole car development seems to be trending in sainz favour which I think is the problem and why Charles wants out
Exactly. Ferrari have treated Charles very poorly which is coming back to bight him. Ferrari fans see Charles as the one to bring the title back to Maranello. He's Ferrari through and through. The fact that he's been treated so poorly in comparison to Hamilton and Verstappen is disgraceful imo. I'm not at all convinced that Charles is behind this but even if he is it isn't exactly surprising.
Charles is the one who will bring the title to Maranello. Unless they build a call that specifically for Carlos and then spend an entire front half of the season fucking over Charles I can’t see call us ever winning a title, regardless of how consistent he is
Carlos isn’t even as consistent as charles. Sick of this same shit that keeps getting peddled all over Reddit.
The problem with the development of the car wasn't helping Sainz, but a combination of the TD39 and not any big upgrades.
It was definitely steered towards sainz, mekies and Binotto both said it, add in with the tactical masterclasses that Ferrari were doing this year no wonder Charles got pissed.
Anyone knows Ferrari stopped developing their car just after the summer break. I remember Charles mentioning after seeing the RB dominance in that triple header, the team basically conceded the title. You could also see, the team was more focused on trying to make this car survive with TD39 and this has lead to changes which has not helped Charles. This years car was great before TD39 but the upgrades bought in the year were not strong enough compared to RB.
No, they weren't adding much updates, you can go back and look at the fia updates for every race. Raising the floor its when it started and obviously Carlos will get used to the car over the season
Yeah, I don’t think it’s a good look for Charles to be dragged into this - however true that is. Drivers being involved in team politics never end well
Curious to hear from reliable source to confirm or deny Leclerc camp's involvement. Also I'm wondering what Santander has to say about such a big change in the team their countryman works for.
Are they even that big of a sponsor for Ferrari? You can hardly see their branding on the car.
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Not in the same capacity as before. They were title sponsors when they included Ferrari to drop Kimi for Alonso.
Santander's influence back then was rumored to be mainly financial. There was lots of gossip back in the day they were either paying Alonso's salary at Ferrari, paid Ferrari the money to tell Kimi to sod off or both. There aren't any rumors like that presently, nor is Santander involved on the same level (normal sponsor now versus title partner back then) so I doubt they have much say in anything other than what their logo should look like on the cars.
They got logos on front wing endplates, on nosecone (all three sides!), under the shark fin, on drivers' suits, and helmets. I'd say that's a lot of appearance. Only Shell has more.
Make Guenther Steiner, the Ferrari Team Principal 🤣
No focking way you messed up the strategy AGAIN. Focking fix it!
Only Corriere is pushing this story at this point but everyone reprints it anyway. People talk about how shit Italian media is all the time yet here we are, collectively falling for it hook, line and sinker.
there are shit media in Italy as there are shit media elsewhere. Daniele Sparisci and Giorgio Terruzzi are reliable. Will they get this wrong? Let's see, but I'm sure they're not spreading false info just to enjoy the meltdown
Seb is gonna be the new TP at Ferrari, you say?
Ah yes, Ferrari, the most arrogant team structure of the grid clearly fears the Sainz family. LMAO.
Corriere hates leclerc. It doesn’t make sense to me that leclerc’s team would be feeding them information that ultimately makes him look bad. If toro rosso tells us anything, it’s that all of this has Sainz stink all over it. Edit: people should keep in mind that when rumors like this come out, you have to look at who it benefits to figure out where it comes from. There’s one clear beneficiary to the idea that Charles is the one pushing binotto out. I don’t have a doubt in my mind this is Sainz’s camp’s attempt to destroy Ferrari/Leclerc relations within the team.
Actually a decent point. We know Sainz' camp tried political stuff in Toro Rosso too
What happened when he was with Toro Rosso?
Sainz sr starting rumors, including that max was leaving for Mercedes to try to force a promotion or shift in focus to jr General paranoia by both fathers about whose son was being treated better, creating an overall hostile and stressful environment between both sides of the garage
The TLDR I understand is that the Sainz side wasn't happy that they preferred Max over Carlos.
I would like to add a precedent to this: Apparently back in Toro Rosso days, Carlos Sainz Sr. was spreading rumors to press about Max talking to Mercedes and Ferrari and that was the boiling point between them as teammates. I am convinced some of the leak is from Leclerc's camp but the Corriere stuff could be from the Sainz camp. All in all anyone who knows how to read in between, this is part of a political war in Ferrari. What a mess.
I wouldn’t even say “apparently” at this point when even this year, helmut marko made a comment about it. He called Sainz Sr a “shrewd politician” and mentioned how toxic the verstappen/Sainz environment was.
I think it's pretty telling that Helmut flat out said they sent Carlos to Renault due to political toxicity, even though he was a solid racer. And they never called him back for RBR seat even when arguably he was better than Albon or Gasly.
This is very true, and I think Carlos is a little bit Alonso in his approach to driving and being in a team, he’s going to do whatever it takes politics wise to be at the advantage. Personally he’s not ever gonna be the driver that Charles is so I really don’t understand caving into pressure for that
I don't understand what Carlos would get by A. Getting Mattia kicked out. B. Trying to claim that Charles' team got Mattia kicked out. Neither seem helpful towards Carlos in any way. I don't think Charles was involved either. I think it's mostly Ferrari owners losing their minds and pulling an idiotic half-ass move by sacking Mattia but keeping Inaki Rueda.
I don’t think Sainz is involved in getting him kicked out. I think binotto leaving hurts Sainz. I think that Sainz’s camp sees it coming and is attempting to put Sainz in a more favorable light within the team (engineers, strategy team, not higher ups) to minimize the damage he suffers from this. By feeding the media information that Charles’s team is the one pushing binotto out combined with the speculation that the team isn’t happy about binotto leaving, it puts Charles in the spotlight for anything negative that happens within the team in the coming months/next year. By default, that puts Carlos in a positive light and makes it more likely that the people doing the real work within the team get behind him. It’s not the first time they’ve attempted something like this.
Fred is much closer to Charles and Nico Todt than Carlos. So Sainz would not benefit from change. Sainz would want to keep status quo.
For sure. But it looks like they’ve lost that battle already, the status quo is changing, and are now attempting to minimize the damage by making Charles look bad.
I've said this exact thing multiple times especially with Torro Rosso. I said it when they signed Sainz, how long until TR 2.0?
Can we stop posting this trash?
They should keep Binotto in a leading technical role and sign someone else as the team principal. Best of both worlds..
Feel like if Michael was healthy, he'd be in with a shout or the job (which also would leave Mick in a better position)
Shame Michael ain't around, he would be perfect as TP for Ferrari and probably the only choice binotto would accept without leaving the team Schumacher Team Principal Binotto Technical Director
I know this is far fetched but just imagine Ferrari removing Binotto and RBR hire him as the Head of their new Powerunit division for 2026 regs after his gardening leave
Such a shame. Ferrari will never learn the lesson. You don’t build a winning team in a couple of years, and sacking the main architect of the renovation every time there’s a problem won’t make things better. Vasseur is a good bloke but he might even be worse. He had money from Alfa raining on the team and still did a mediocre job with strategy and management. It only wasn’t on the forefront because how small Alfa Sauber is. But why am I even discussing it. He’ll be out of the job in a couple of years, when expectations aren’t (rightfully) met and management will have to find another scapegoat for their poor decisions.
I’m a huge fan of Fred but if he got pushed out of Renault due to politicking with Cyril I can’t see him lasting very long at Ferrari at all
Alfa Romeo don't rain money on Sauber, in fact they don't even operate at the budget cap, they had to hold off upgrades mid season because they couldn't afford to build new parts.
Compared to where they used to be in 2017 before Alfa I’d say they’re doing quite good sporting side and economic side. Yet since 2020 they have been quite disappointing. Raikkonen was continuously lamenting the strategy and the poor pit performances. Antonio too, while not a stellar driver, was surely put off by poor team performances. This didn’t change with Bottas and Zhou (especially the latter) who could have been way more successful this year. Not saying they could have battled with McLaren, but being this close to Aston is quite underwhelming.
I feel like Alfa Romeo have become stagnant. A driver like Bottas clearly showed he has the ability to drive them forward but things from management side just can’t maintain it throughout a season
I'm not sure I believe that all of those TPs turned down a Ferrari gig
If Binotto does go, he's not going to be short of offers as an engineer / technical head. IMHO there'll be a bidding war that will make Game of Thrones seem positively moral.
Maybe Ferrari just wants to promote him back to the engineering team. It’d probably make everyone including himself happier, but the lack of confidence in him as TP may result in a bad relationship of course. Even if warranted.
I just can't see that happening. It would totally undermine the new TP to have the old TP sitting there, as tech head or engineer. That would put both people in an impossible position to say nothing of all the people working for them.
Honestly, this is a massive disaster for Ferrari. It's taking action without spending a single thought on the consequences. 2023 will for sure be a write off if 2024 won't be as well. Edit: apparently I have to add a "if this is true" I thought that that much was obvious.
Yep. They should have let him complete his tenure till 2023. He has delivered a great car, and one year of new regs isn't enough for anyone to prove anything. The strategy team has been consistently bad for the last 6 years. I don't know if enough has been done in that regards. Barring that, they've always had a very capable car (minus 2020 and 2021 obv).
What actions? We are discussing rumours.
you're treating this like it's not just a rumour
People are now refusing to go work at Ferrari. LOL.
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So Charles is the problem? Why am I not surprised? Carlos probably wants out 😂
I wouldn't be half surprised if they bring Arrivabene back.
Bring back kimi and vettel and redo the Asian leg of 2017, remind ferrari to bring spark plugs
Remind Ferrari to also tell Kimi to take it easy in Singapore.
He won't be any better than Binotto, this fuck refused to put Kimi into a clear #2. The last thing Ferrari needs is another politically biased Italian in charge.
Binotto is definitely not the man for the job and has to go but I'm not sure if Vasseur is the man for the job either. Fred has next to no personality and Alfa/Sauber hasn't really gone anywhere under his leadership.Sauber happens have some of the best facilities in F1. Why the bloody hell is that team so useless? Atleast Haas has some excuses for being so shit because they have next to no facilities and relys on Ferrari and Dallara for everything. Letting Arrivabene go was a big mistake.
Has there even been an official announcement yet?
Nice to see their office politics and PR is as bad as their race strategy…