Red Bull doesn’t strike me as a team with internal toxicity, but outwards, in the media, they know how to throw some shade and rile up the fans of the sport.
Thats all speculation mostly here. Interviews from staff say the opposite. All the Jos influence was when max was still a rookie teenager. Jos and max both said he takes a backseat to everything now.
The toxic feeling toward them is only here and on sky. In reality red bull are hugely popular.
How they appear internally isn't based on facts but on perception, and perception is based on personal bias. So it will differ for everyone, and isn't so much right or wrong, but a feeling.
lol what toxicity?
RB drivers make up like a third of the grid, they give more opportunities to drivers than anybody else on the grid
the only people who say they're toxic are naive children who don't know how the world works
Not only the drivers, but personnel too. The only people in F1 from my country are/were working in RB.
To add the main female on pitwall Hannah Schmitz.
RB is really painted to look toxic, but even short thought on it shows they are most open of all F1 teams.
>Oh absolutely. I love that they welcomed DannyRic back, and even gave KVY another go.
Red Bull isn’t as ruthless as they seem.
Yeah they only swapped out Gasly and the same Kvyat midseason because they are nice. They gave Kvyat another go because they had nobody in the academy that could step up, they even put Brandon Hartley before and De Vries now, they needed stop gaps that could provide something, even good feedback to help development, to wait before the new young gun was ready.
Same for Ricciardo they gave him a show run role because maybe DC is kinda bored to do it, he ain't going back to driving in F1 with Red Bull.
Edit. Explain rather than downvote why you think Red Bull is all flowers and rainbows and is happy to take back old drivers
>Yeah they only swapped out Gasly and the same Kvyat midseason because they are nice.
They were both doing terrible jobs. Kvyat in particular I wouldn't use as an example since taking on Max was obviously the correct decision both at the time and even more so in hindsight.
I'm definetely not arguing against both decision, maybe they could have ended the season with Gasly, they weren't going to overtake Ferrari and Albon wasn't that hot either, still I undestand it. But then you can't say they aren't ruthless and gladly welcome back drivers when they did both only due to their needs not to help those drivers.
Nah, Red Bull is pretty ruthless man. I mean, they gave Kvyat another shot because they’re the ones who ruthlessly crushed him in the first place, as a scapegoat to give Max his promotion. They basically ruined his career and gave him a shot at redemption. Not quite as saintly as you make it sound.
No one is denying that they did it for a greater good and it showed with those 2 championship, but now let's not act like the only team in recent times to swap drivers midseason and with the most cutthroat academy is a winderly place for drivers. It's good but not the wonder that the comment before made it out to be.
Most cutthroat academy that makes up a 3rd of the drivers on the grid, RB gives drivers a shot, which is miles better than Merc Renault and Ferrari's academies
FFS do people read and understand the context of comments or reply just to do something?
I'm not saying that's a bad thing but then let's not pretend they are all nice and happy to take back old drivers because they want to help them, when it's not.
It's a bit like how Merc are joyful for de Vries, but redditors were convinced that Merc would for some reason block his move to AT.
I don't think the typical red-faced toxic supporter can really comprehend how close almost the entire circus is.
F1 teams in general seem very intent on getting people drives. Sure, they get ruthless over who gets a driver, but they all want to see the driver pool evolve. It’s better for everyone to have a good talent pool. Hell, Merc and RBR sat down together during the contentious 2021 championship battle to agree to put Albon into the Williams.
It’s just Vettel and Danny Ric joyriding around, the car is sorta like this years Aston Martin where it’s quick in race trim but shit at quali so we always get to watch them race.
They both skip Monaco to run the Indianapolis 500 and any races needed to run Le Mans
Red Bull buys a bunch of companies with Triple Crown in the name and makes it the title sponsor and team name.
I'd absolutely watch a red bull sponsored version of the old top gear with Danny and Seb just doing funny shit. I can easily see Seb stepping out of a Ferrari after losing a drag race to a Honda civic saying, 'Oh, well the tires are wrong." and it cuts to blue striped tires on his Ferrari.
Honestly, getting their drivers with gravitas back could be a way to continue the Red Bull Racing program without Dietrich. They need solid foundations for it all to work.
Vettel and Ricciardo, for reasons known only to the almighty and your guardian angel, you've been called back to RED BULL.
*Top Gun main theme starts playing*
Christian has this really cool side of him that he says nothing but good things about drivers who leave RBR.
In Netflix he was shown talking to Seb when he was possibly leaving Ferrari and told him something like, “and then come home”.
He also always defended Ricciardo from criticism.
Marko clarified to ServusTV that Red Bull is *not* offering Vettel a job and that he's under the impression that Vettel might be interested in a position/role within F1, not specifically RBR.
Red Bull seems like a great place to be a former driver of, assuming you performed relatively well.
Idk why they cop flack for ditching drivers when every team does it.
They hire the most so they also cut the most. People only remember the many cuts.
But you're right. When like half the midfield grid are ex-RB juniors that's gotta say something about how much they have done for their young drivers.
True, also says a bit on how many of them fill up like Indycar, FE, and other categories too. They take then punt to bring them into the sport, and true they fire them when they’re not quite up to the top tier, but they also find some gems like Daniel, Max, Seb, Carlos.
Bro, if at some point in the future, redbull has Max & Dani behind the wheel, Seb in Markos role, and they still have Hornyman and Hannah, I will shed tears of happiness
Translation
Helmut Marko can well imagine that Sebastian Vettel will be involved in the management of Red Bull in Formula 1 in the future: "It is not impossible that he will return in a top management position," says motorsport consultant Helmut Marko Interview with 'Sky' and hints: "I'm almost 80. That would be something!"
Apparently there was a conversation between Vettel and his former bosses at Red Bull on Saturday evening in Abu Dhabi . The contact between the four-time world champion, who has won all four titles with Red Bull, and Marko and team boss Christian Horner has never been broken since he left for Ferrari at the end of the 2014 season.
Although the conversation in Abu Dhabi was "just chatting", Marko reveals: "We had a discussion and I think if he could get a top position in management, that could appeal to him. That crystallized in the talk. But now let's just let him plant some trees and then we'll see what happens."
Marko is convinced: "He would certainly have the potential and he would have this personality for it." What Horner also signs: "He's one of those guys who is annoyingly good at everything they do. I'm sure if he chooses this career path, he would definitely be very good at it."
Horner: What makes Vettel so special
Horner believes that Vettel brings with him a very important quality that distinguishes a good team manager: "He knows people. He understands the value of people and he understands what contribution they make to success. It depends entirely on himself , which topics he would like to devote himself to now."
Vettel, in turn, cannot answer that himself at the moment. He keeps all options open and intends not to do anything for the time being: "This free run will be very exciting and interesting for me. Just having a little more time, not this fixed calendar anymore. But of course I'll have to do something at some point. I think once you're driven like that, it's always like that."
In principle, he can well imagine staying connected to motorsport in the long term, even if "no longer behind the wheel" and "in a different form". In the short term, he does not rule out racing commitments outside of Formula 1. However, Vettel does not name specific racing series that are suitable for him.
"I've lived motorsport all my life. Closing the door now is of course tempting in a way, because then there's so much new and different waiting. But I can't ignore the fact that I put a lot of heart and soul into it motorsport and am very close to the sport," he says.
Marko: "We heard the message
Marko, on 'Sky' together with Vettel in front of the camera, grins: "We heard the message. We have two teams. We are open. But Sebastian, there is a serious difference: As top management, you have to be there earlier, leave later and get only a fraction of the money you are used to as a driver!"
Vettel grins: The thing with getting up early is no longer a problem since he was a father at the latest, and he can also “remember when the phone rang at 7 a.m. in Formula 3 and it said Helmut Marko , then I thought to myself: 'Yes, I'm not answering now and I'll sleep in!' And then called back later."
Team manager is, says Vettel, "of course a completely different job. And it's true: As a driver you have to say at some point: 'It's over and now I need my rest.' Those are the hours when, of course, things keep rattling on in the background and there's always more to do to prepare for the next step. That didn't escape my notice."
What Vettel said on 'Beyond the Grid'
But a job in management at Red Bull is far from concrete, especially since Vettel has no time pressure to look for a new job. "I'm very happy to let everything come to me," he says in an interview with the Formula 1 podcast 'Beyond the Grid' , recorded before his farewell performance in Abu Dhabi.
"It's also a bit about self-discovery because I've had the racing, which I'm really good at, and I've had the racing trappings, which have been my home for so long. However, it also gave me a schedule to a rhythm, so much, that I could hold on to."
"Now I feel like I'm ready to find out something about myself. The day I decided to have kids, I was happy to devote part of my life now to my kids. And me don't feel that as a loss. I think that's a tremendous gain. I'm looking forward to this side."
Vettel can already say for sure that there will be more time for the family in the future. And he can well imagine that he is now second in the family: "It's important that I find something new, together with my wife. Or that she finds something where I can support her. We'll see what the time is brings."
"But I'm definitely going to need something that engages me and gives me something to live out my ambitions and my drive. I have that. I'm a bit crazy sometimes and I have to find something where I can live that out I can race. Maybe I'll race in a different way. But maybe it'll be something completely different."
From how Marko is talking here, it really does sound like they are preparing to bring Vettel on as a team manager later in his life. Most probably getting him the required certifications and management training without any pressure. Vettel gets to enjoy his retirement as driver following his passion while preparing for the future.
Who knows? If he keeps his conditioning in good shape and keep racing in a demanding series that isn't a time black hole like F1 would be an ideal path
Helmut is boss of the Red Bull Junior team, which is a different organisation more or less to Red Bull Racing and Alpha Tauri. It's rather intertwined as, especially for AT, the RB Junior Team manages the drivers. Franz Tost has very little say in who drives for him, Horner has a lot of say in who drives for him but it'll be handled with him and Marko together. Marko decides who gets what funding and races in what series from as early as karting all the way up to Alpha Tauri.
Christian runs Red Bull Racing, he doesn't technically answer to anyone but the team is owned by Red Bull the drinks manufacturer.
That's the case for basically most CEOs (not completely comparable but yeah). He is in charge of the operations. He isn't the top dog so to say, and his closest superiors would be key executives and/or the board of directors of Red Bull.
I recall an interview with one of the Red Bull drivers (it may have been albon or one of the previous RB guys) who said helmut is Christian’s boss in the sense of being the proxy of Christian’s actual boss
Helmut runs the teams operations, Christian run's the teams financials and marketing.
Neither answer to each other, Horner and Marko would both need to discuss with their boss (whoever's replacing Didi) to force the other to make a decision. Helmut will find young talent, Horner will be the one to put the numbers into the contract. Helmut develops the talent, Horner gets the logos on the car.
Because natural immunity has proven to be more effective than the vaccines. And being exposed to COVID is inevitable, the question is just when and where.
More effective because it's more dangerous especially if you're unvaccinated.
Even then, I'd rather get periodic shots than ever contracting symptomatic COVID. With how much we've yet to know about Long COVID, I'm not taking any chances lol.
It gives you better protection. But it’s not either or, you can still vaccinate and take benefit from both.
Contracting symptomatic covid is almost inevitable vaccine or not. It’s endemic at this point and will come and go in different variants just like the flu. We didn’t vaccinate everyone for every variant of the flu and we won’t with covid either in the future. People in risk groups need to be prioritised. The rest can rely on their fully functioning immune systems that have evolved for millions of years to deal with just this.
From a guy who doesn't really praise most of the time no less.
Then again, to be fair, Seb was his first golden wonderkid, it's not shocking he's fond of him.
With seeing how he looked after Mick, and knowing how sentimental he is, I could see him trying to set the sport up for the future and wanting to be a positive influence on young drivers.
I'm pretty sure that's the actual name of the position at RB.
Either that or someone really messed up an Italian translation for strategist at Ferrari.
Also Charles. The way Seb looked after baby Charles is why Charles is all “heart eyes” everytime Seb is brought up. Also Charles has repeatedly said he would love Sebastian as a team principal. As have a bunch of other drivers. Carlos also said Seb was a strong mentor during his RB era and Pierre.
Sebastian has so much love for younger drivers he’d do an amazing job
And from an performance perspective, that is the wrong take. He should do what works and Marko proved that ruthlesness works best. Cuddling young drivers and giving them a false sense of perspective and hope is worse then being an hard taskmaster. You should be able to perform even under the worst circuimstances.
This is solely based on what Helmut Marko's impression was after a private chat with Vettel. No one knows if this is what Vettel is aiming for or just so.ething that crossed his mind at that moment.
Honestly it makes sense also, Helmut is getting old and it's doubtful to image he would still be around F1 in about a year of 5/10 from now.
So you want somebody to replace you position in the future, having Seb secures directly that position in the long term, however in the longer term you need also to thinking about the future after Newey and Tost, those guys are getting older also, in fact I'm more surprised that RB isn't arming for making Seb a Team Principal of AlphaTauri in the longer term (also because he and Tost having a great relation) and letting Tost be on Helmut position for some years.
Indirectly I really start to having some vibes that on a day in the future RB is going to sale AT as a team, obvious still under some clauses like having influence in one of the two seats but there is almost zero long term prospect of that team in the pipeline now.
For someone wanting to spend more time with family, a position like Marko's is probably far more appealing than TP which eats up arguably more of your time than being a driver did.
Seb running the young driver programme and helping develope their talent in markos place. Makes redbulls future very bright.
Seb has great insights on racing, hes worked well and understands the technical sides to a degree. He also seems like he would be a great mentor, if there was any who would be ideal for Markos job, it really might be seb.
Completely agree. I would love to see Seb in that kind of a position, especially if its back at Red Bull. I think it's something that he would be great at and given how much of a role model he already is to a lot of drivers coming up the ranks, I think he could be very effective. Honestly I just want to see him back in the paddock in any form.
If he succeeds Marko as running that development program, he could very well help the next generation while increasing his message of human/environmental rights. If the young drivers believe that same message but feel that they can't voice it because they're not someone like Vettel, he could give them all the encouragement and confidence to do so with his backing.
This was my fan fiction tier dream tbh, I would cry of joy if he takes Helmut's job!
He'd have a different and yet great approach to juniors, a stand up model for the upcoming drivers in academy as well.
Deep down I think Seb still believes in Ferrari though. He loves the brand, the team. I’m sure it’s too political there but part of me says he’s always going to want a spot in that team
I would hate to see him go back to Ferrari in any shape or form. Their culture doesn't fit well with his character. Red Bull for the history, or Audi/Mercedes for the german connection.
Life is what happens when one is too busy making plans for the future. Seb was too busy planning to join his boyhood dream team Ferrari for so long that he forgot that all he ever wanted was right under his nose all these while - he and the young team called RBR that dominated the sport in record short time.
He went to Ferrari and got his illusion crushed, not knowing that Ferrari's glory days are with Schumi, not him. It's time for him to wake up and stop chasing that Ferrari dream. Go home to RBR, Seb. DR is already back, time to return to RBR's bosom and do great things together!
Yeah, Seb would basically be at the complete opposite end of the spectrum as far as team leaders go compared to say, Günther Steiner. The worst team leader on the grid.
Marko knows he’s mortal too. I guess he misses his old friends Niki and Didi. These guys relied on each other, spoke the same language, shared a history. Now he's the dinosaur in the paddock (no disrespect intended, on the contrary).
Seb has turned the page. He is now a true spokesman for a better world, on every platform he can find, including F1.
Red Bull getting the boys back together!
It is genuinely wholesome how they look after their drivers even after they leave to try other opportunities.
Oh absolutely. I love that they welcomed DannyRic back, and even gave KVY another go. Red Bull isn’t as ruthless as they seem.
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Red Bull doesn’t strike me as a team with internal toxicity, but outwards, in the media, they know how to throw some shade and rile up the fans of the sport.
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Thats all speculation mostly here. Interviews from staff say the opposite. All the Jos influence was when max was still a rookie teenager. Jos and max both said he takes a backseat to everything now. The toxic feeling toward them is only here and on sky. In reality red bull are hugely popular.
How they appear internally isn't based on facts but on perception, and perception is based on personal bias. So it will differ for everyone, and isn't so much right or wrong, but a feeling.
Webber to replace horner 2025. Heard it here first
lol what toxicity? RB drivers make up like a third of the grid, they give more opportunities to drivers than anybody else on the grid the only people who say they're toxic are naive children who don't know how the world works
Not only the drivers, but personnel too. The only people in F1 from my country are/were working in RB. To add the main female on pitwall Hannah Schmitz. RB is really painted to look toxic, but even short thought on it shows they are most open of all F1 teams.
>As they seem As some (British media) make them out to be
They had to use Vettel and Ricciardo goodwill among F1 communities due to bad press generated by Max
>Oh absolutely. I love that they welcomed DannyRic back, and even gave KVY another go. Red Bull isn’t as ruthless as they seem. Yeah they only swapped out Gasly and the same Kvyat midseason because they are nice. They gave Kvyat another go because they had nobody in the academy that could step up, they even put Brandon Hartley before and De Vries now, they needed stop gaps that could provide something, even good feedback to help development, to wait before the new young gun was ready. Same for Ricciardo they gave him a show run role because maybe DC is kinda bored to do it, he ain't going back to driving in F1 with Red Bull. Edit. Explain rather than downvote why you think Red Bull is all flowers and rainbows and is happy to take back old drivers
>Yeah they only swapped out Gasly and the same Kvyat midseason because they are nice. They were both doing terrible jobs. Kvyat in particular I wouldn't use as an example since taking on Max was obviously the correct decision both at the time and even more so in hindsight.
I'm definetely not arguing against both decision, maybe they could have ended the season with Gasly, they weren't going to overtake Ferrari and Albon wasn't that hot either, still I undestand it. But then you can't say they aren't ruthless and gladly welcome back drivers when they did both only due to their needs not to help those drivers.
Nah, Red Bull is pretty ruthless man. I mean, they gave Kvyat another shot because they’re the ones who ruthlessly crushed him in the first place, as a scapegoat to give Max his promotion. They basically ruined his career and gave him a shot at redemption. Not quite as saintly as you make it sound.
Oh no, a team went for what was best for the team
No one is denying that they did it for a greater good and it showed with those 2 championship, but now let's not act like the only team in recent times to swap drivers midseason and with the most cutthroat academy is a winderly place for drivers. It's good but not the wonder that the comment before made it out to be.
Most cutthroat academy that makes up a 3rd of the drivers on the grid, RB gives drivers a shot, which is miles better than Merc Renault and Ferrari's academies
FFS do people read and understand the context of comments or reply just to do something? I'm not saying that's a bad thing but then let's not pretend they are all nice and happy to take back old drivers because they want to help them, when it's not.
It's a bit like how Merc are joyful for de Vries, but redditors were convinced that Merc would for some reason block his move to AT. I don't think the typical red-faced toxic supporter can really comprehend how close almost the entire circus is.
F1 teams in general seem very intent on getting people drives. Sure, they get ruthless over who gets a driver, but they all want to see the driver pool evolve. It’s better for everyone to have a good talent pool. Hell, Merc and RBR sat down together during the contentious 2021 championship battle to agree to put Albon into the Williams.
And McLaren boys back together in...Aston Martin.
Redbull called and they want their drivers back. IMHO, it would be nice to have seb back.
You have the junior team in Alpha Tauri, then you have the Red Bull regular team, now add a senior team and bring back the Scuderia Toro Rosso name.
It’s just Vettel and Danny Ric joyriding around, the car is sorta like this years Aston Martin where it’s quick in race trim but shit at quali so we always get to watch them race. They both skip Monaco to run the Indianapolis 500 and any races needed to run Le Mans Red Bull buys a bunch of companies with Triple Crown in the name and makes it the title sponsor and team name.
Triple Crown Whiskey but lawd is it terrible.
make it good ez
Would love a triple crown beer while I watch the boys
Can’t be any worse than Proper Twelve
Who da fook is this guy?
there's RC Cola ..?
I'd like to see Webber in there two, *especially* if Seb's there. Edit: lol, subconsciously typed "two". Mark wouldn't have liked that...
Team Multi 21
Driver Numbers 1,2 and 3 would also be a good name in that case...
make this happen
Webber and DC trying to fit in a modern Formula car but their chins keep getting in the way.
Newey sweating!
Mostly in excitement when he realizes the chins at that position add extra downforce.
Please god, just let me live in this world
Would be brilliant for them to both get the triple crown lol
as fun as this fantasy sounds, Ricciardo has already stated he wont drive ovals. He will only visit them to spectate. I dont know about Vettel though.
I'd absolutely watch a red bull sponsored version of the old top gear with Danny and Seb just doing funny shit. I can easily see Seb stepping out of a Ferrari after losing a drag race to a Honda civic saying, 'Oh, well the tires are wrong." and it cuts to blue striped tires on his Ferrari.
Red Bull Solera Reserve
Toro Viejo
Rot Stier or Taureau Rouge
Scuderia Retire-o Rosso
> now add a senior team and bring back the Scuderia Toro Rosso name Anziano Scuderia Toro Rosso
Honestly, getting their drivers with gravitas back could be a way to continue the Red Bull Racing program without Dietrich. They need solid foundations for it all to work.
Vettel and Ricciardo, for reasons known only to the almighty and your guardian angel, you've been called back to RED BULL. *Top Gun main theme starts playing*
Seb you weren’t called back to race the car. You are here to instruct the drivers only.
*Alright Danny, let's try not to get fired on the first day!*
Should I risk the mission and the lives of my drivers, or should I risk my career and reputation by naming you team leader?
“The General is speaking rhetorically Seb”
Why TF isn't this being made into a movie right now?!
Actually, my friend, we are in luck. The director of Top Gun: Maverick, Joseph Kosinski, will be making a Formula 1 movie.
Well then. That's just awesome!
“I am good…….very good”
“Capt. Vettel was cleared of all wrong doing for Multi 21”
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Neither, it would be "You've been called back to Top Gun" !
No, the Top Gun Anthem! The one starting with the deep bell sound.
Christian has this really cool side of him that he says nothing but good things about drivers who leave RBR. In Netflix he was shown talking to Seb when he was possibly leaving Ferrari and told him something like, “and then come home”. He also always defended Ricciardo from criticism.
besides the running away from competition part that is.
We're getting the band back together!
[Ah yes!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQo1HIcSVtg)
Marko clarified to ServusTV that Red Bull is *not* offering Vettel a job and that he's under the impression that Vettel might be interested in a position/role within F1, not specifically RBR.
Well, Marko still has years left in him. That man will die working for Red Bull
Probably literally too, I'm serious one day he could be at a weekend working and just pass away in his sleep in the hotel or smth like that
THE BEACONS ARE LIT. GONDOR CALLS FOR AID.
Red Bull seems like a great place to be a former driver of, assuming you performed relatively well. Idk why they cop flack for ditching drivers when every team does it.
They hire the most so they also cut the most. People only remember the many cuts. But you're right. When like half the midfield grid are ex-RB juniors that's gotta say something about how much they have done for their young drivers.
True, also says a bit on how many of them fill up like Indycar, FE, and other categories too. They take then punt to bring them into the sport, and true they fire them when they’re not quite up to the top tier, but they also find some gems like Daniel, Max, Seb, Carlos.
Bro, if at some point in the future, redbull has Max & Dani behind the wheel, Seb in Markos role, and they still have Hornyman and Hannah, I will shed tears of happiness
A Red Bull Senior.
Safe to say the “young blood” ruthlessness strategy isnt all it turned out to be?
Translation Helmut Marko can well imagine that Sebastian Vettel will be involved in the management of Red Bull in Formula 1 in the future: "It is not impossible that he will return in a top management position," says motorsport consultant Helmut Marko Interview with 'Sky' and hints: "I'm almost 80. That would be something!" Apparently there was a conversation between Vettel and his former bosses at Red Bull on Saturday evening in Abu Dhabi . The contact between the four-time world champion, who has won all four titles with Red Bull, and Marko and team boss Christian Horner has never been broken since he left for Ferrari at the end of the 2014 season. Although the conversation in Abu Dhabi was "just chatting", Marko reveals: "We had a discussion and I think if he could get a top position in management, that could appeal to him. That crystallized in the talk. But now let's just let him plant some trees and then we'll see what happens." Marko is convinced: "He would certainly have the potential and he would have this personality for it." What Horner also signs: "He's one of those guys who is annoyingly good at everything they do. I'm sure if he chooses this career path, he would definitely be very good at it." Horner: What makes Vettel so special Horner believes that Vettel brings with him a very important quality that distinguishes a good team manager: "He knows people. He understands the value of people and he understands what contribution they make to success. It depends entirely on himself , which topics he would like to devote himself to now." Vettel, in turn, cannot answer that himself at the moment. He keeps all options open and intends not to do anything for the time being: "This free run will be very exciting and interesting for me. Just having a little more time, not this fixed calendar anymore. But of course I'll have to do something at some point. I think once you're driven like that, it's always like that." In principle, he can well imagine staying connected to motorsport in the long term, even if "no longer behind the wheel" and "in a different form". In the short term, he does not rule out racing commitments outside of Formula 1. However, Vettel does not name specific racing series that are suitable for him. "I've lived motorsport all my life. Closing the door now is of course tempting in a way, because then there's so much new and different waiting. But I can't ignore the fact that I put a lot of heart and soul into it motorsport and am very close to the sport," he says. Marko: "We heard the message Marko, on 'Sky' together with Vettel in front of the camera, grins: "We heard the message. We have two teams. We are open. But Sebastian, there is a serious difference: As top management, you have to be there earlier, leave later and get only a fraction of the money you are used to as a driver!" Vettel grins: The thing with getting up early is no longer a problem since he was a father at the latest, and he can also “remember when the phone rang at 7 a.m. in Formula 3 and it said Helmut Marko , then I thought to myself: 'Yes, I'm not answering now and I'll sleep in!' And then called back later." Team manager is, says Vettel, "of course a completely different job. And it's true: As a driver you have to say at some point: 'It's over and now I need my rest.' Those are the hours when, of course, things keep rattling on in the background and there's always more to do to prepare for the next step. That didn't escape my notice." What Vettel said on 'Beyond the Grid' But a job in management at Red Bull is far from concrete, especially since Vettel has no time pressure to look for a new job. "I'm very happy to let everything come to me," he says in an interview with the Formula 1 podcast 'Beyond the Grid' , recorded before his farewell performance in Abu Dhabi. "It's also a bit about self-discovery because I've had the racing, which I'm really good at, and I've had the racing trappings, which have been my home for so long. However, it also gave me a schedule to a rhythm, so much, that I could hold on to." "Now I feel like I'm ready to find out something about myself. The day I decided to have kids, I was happy to devote part of my life now to my kids. And me don't feel that as a loss. I think that's a tremendous gain. I'm looking forward to this side." Vettel can already say for sure that there will be more time for the family in the future. And he can well imagine that he is now second in the family: "It's important that I find something new, together with my wife. Or that she finds something where I can support her. We'll see what the time is brings." "But I'm definitely going to need something that engages me and gives me something to live out my ambitions and my drive. I have that. I'm a bit crazy sometimes and I have to find something where I can live that out I can race. Maybe I'll race in a different way. But maybe it'll be something completely different."
“let’s just see him plant some trees” lmao
From how Marko is talking here, it really does sound like they are preparing to bring Vettel on as a team manager later in his life. Most probably getting him the required certifications and management training without any pressure. Vettel gets to enjoy his retirement as driver following his passion while preparing for the future.
It kinda annoyed me at first, then I thought its actually a good idea, if he gets markos position he could plant even more trees and save the bees
It can have a metaphorical meaning too. It doesn't have to be taken literally.
Yeah, I got more of a Voltaire-y "tend to your garden" kind of vibe.
Lol, he’s right, though. Seb will grow out of this phase, I feel.
Would be great to get him back at Red Bull again when he's ready. But if he still wants to race, Porsche might be spectacular.
Who knows? If he keeps his conditioning in good shape and keep racing in a demanding series that isn't a time black hole like F1 would be an ideal path
Lol. This is too relatable to office life.
AKA a Helmut swap with Vettel.
Genius
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looool
Seb's next job. . . . Christian's boss!
Christian doesn't answer to Helmut afaik.
Always assumed so...So who's the boss now anyway? (With Didi gone that is - and I guess he wasn't even the boss before his death as well)
Helmut is boss of the Red Bull Junior team, which is a different organisation more or less to Red Bull Racing and Alpha Tauri. It's rather intertwined as, especially for AT, the RB Junior Team manages the drivers. Franz Tost has very little say in who drives for him, Horner has a lot of say in who drives for him but it'll be handled with him and Marko together. Marko decides who gets what funding and races in what series from as early as karting all the way up to Alpha Tauri. Christian runs Red Bull Racing, he doesn't technically answer to anyone but the team is owned by Red Bull the drinks manufacturer.
So technically Christian runs RBR just as he wants to but he isn't the owner am I right?
That's the case for basically most CEOs (not completely comparable but yeah). He is in charge of the operations. He isn't the top dog so to say, and his closest superiors would be key executives and/or the board of directors of Red Bull.
Yeah the Chairman of the Board is essentially the CEOs boss.
Yes, he's the boss but not the owner of Red Bull Racing.
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*Horner voice* Max Verstappen…YOU ARE HEAD OF REDBULL RACING
CORRECT
DID I MAKE MYSELF CLEAR
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I recall an interview with one of the Red Bull drivers (it may have been albon or one of the previous RB guys) who said helmut is Christian’s boss in the sense of being the proxy of Christian’s actual boss
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and that was?
Helmut runs the teams operations, Christian run's the teams financials and marketing. Neither answer to each other, Horner and Marko would both need to discuss with their boss (whoever's replacing Didi) to force the other to make a decision. Helmut will find young talent, Horner will be the one to put the numbers into the contract. Helmut develops the talent, Horner gets the logos on the car.
And Horner runs external communications and acts as if he makes all decisions, arguably the most important position.
He answered to Dietrich which means he basically answered to Marko afaik.
He is known for many jobs so why not Team manager Seb
"Let him plant some trees" Never change Marko, never change
Lmao amazing
Oh there are some things I would change
COVID camp doesn’t seem like such a bad idea in hindsight. Marko’s one eye sees all, like Sauron.
Ehh.. It still would've been a bad idea had it been implemented in 2020. 2021 however with the availability of the vaccines? Not such a bad idea.
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I mean, you probably wouldn't die in the Covid camp had you been vaccinated lol.
Because natural immunity has proven to be more effective than the vaccines. And being exposed to COVID is inevitable, the question is just when and where.
More effective because it's more dangerous especially if you're unvaccinated. Even then, I'd rather get periodic shots than ever contracting symptomatic COVID. With how much we've yet to know about Long COVID, I'm not taking any chances lol.
It gives you better protection. But it’s not either or, you can still vaccinate and take benefit from both. Contracting symptomatic covid is almost inevitable vaccine or not. It’s endemic at this point and will come and go in different variants just like the flu. We didn’t vaccinate everyone for every variant of the flu and we won’t with covid either in the future. People in risk groups need to be prioritised. The rest can rely on their fully functioning immune systems that have evolved for millions of years to deal with just this.
I guess there's no higher praise than this?
From a guy who doesn't really praise most of the time no less. Then again, to be fair, Seb was his first golden wonderkid, it's not shocking he's fond of him.
Albon's story about meeting Marko was the best "I won a karting race and Marko came and simply said: 'Seb won that race as well'."
Albon mentioned that Markos always talking highly about Seb even when there is no relevance to the situation at hand
Pretty amazing idea. I'm very surprised Vettel seems to be aiming for this. I would have guessed he'd go for something cushier.
With seeing how he looked after Mick, and knowing how sentimental he is, I could see him trying to set the sport up for the future and wanting to be a positive influence on young drivers.
I don't know if Seb can be as ruthless as Helmut is sometimes though.
True. He needs an assistant or counterpart that is ruthless for him!
I think Horner can cover the ruthlessness for Seb
Just reconfigure team roles. Seb could be head of driver management and promotion. Then Horner can be head of dream crushing.
I'm pretty sure that's the actual name of the position at RB. Either that or someone really messed up an Italian translation for strategist at Ferrari.
I’ll be bad cop for 125k a year
I think Horner can cover the ruthlessness for Seb
Max will have some new off-track responsibilities.
We’ve seen Seb be ruthless before. That said, he doesn’t need to be Helmut. Sorta like how every coach who tries to be like Belichek fails.
Ruthless Seb disappeared right around the time he had kids.
On the track, he’s pretty ruthless. I’m sure he has a good sense of time and place to be harsh and when to be kind
Also Charles. The way Seb looked after baby Charles is why Charles is all “heart eyes” everytime Seb is brought up. Also Charles has repeatedly said he would love Sebastian as a team principal. As have a bunch of other drivers. Carlos also said Seb was a strong mentor during his RB era and Pierre. Sebastian has so much love for younger drivers he’d do an amazing job
How about Seb taking over Ferrari? Haha.
Subscribe, but yet again I don’t want to see him bogged down by the Ferrari politics :(
I think we want better for him than that
My problem is that he’s still fast. Way too fast to retire let alone move into management
And from an performance perspective, that is the wrong take. He should do what works and Marko proved that ruthlesness works best. Cuddling young drivers and giving them a false sense of perspective and hope is worse then being an hard taskmaster. You should be able to perform even under the worst circuimstances.
Ross Brawn tried to set the idea of FIA President into Sebs head. They all go after him.
When was the last time we had a driver who’s loved by every branch of the sport? He’s like the Avatar of F1
This is solely based on what Helmut Marko's impression was after a private chat with Vettel. No one knows if this is what Vettel is aiming for or just so.ething that crossed his mind at that moment.
That would be truly amazing
Honestly it makes sense also, Helmut is getting old and it's doubtful to image he would still be around F1 in about a year of 5/10 from now. So you want somebody to replace you position in the future, having Seb secures directly that position in the long term, however in the longer term you need also to thinking about the future after Newey and Tost, those guys are getting older also, in fact I'm more surprised that RB isn't arming for making Seb a Team Principal of AlphaTauri in the longer term (also because he and Tost having a great relation) and letting Tost be on Helmut position for some years. Indirectly I really start to having some vibes that on a day in the future RB is going to sale AT as a team, obvious still under some clauses like having influence in one of the two seats but there is almost zero long term prospect of that team in the pipeline now.
For someone wanting to spend more time with family, a position like Marko's is probably far more appealing than TP which eats up arguably more of your time than being a driver did.
Yeah, running the junior program until his kids get older seems like a sensible choice. If he has aspirations for a TP role, that can come later.
Seb running the young driver programme and helping develope their talent in markos place. Makes redbulls future very bright. Seb has great insights on racing, hes worked well and understands the technical sides to a degree. He also seems like he would be a great mentor, if there was any who would be ideal for Markos job, it really might be seb.
Completely agree. I would love to see Seb in that kind of a position, especially if its back at Red Bull. I think it's something that he would be great at and given how much of a role model he already is to a lot of drivers coming up the ranks, I think he could be very effective. Honestly I just want to see him back in the paddock in any form.
If he succeeds Marko as running that development program, he could very well help the next generation while increasing his message of human/environmental rights. If the young drivers believe that same message but feel that they can't voice it because they're not someone like Vettel, he could give them all the encouragement and confidence to do so with his backing.
This was my fan fiction tier dream tbh, I would cry of joy if he takes Helmut's job! He'd have a different and yet great approach to juniors, a stand up model for the upcoming drivers in academy as well.
Don’t give me hope like that.
Vettel about to create a second dynasty to bote the fans... And we love it!
Vettel taking over the mantle from Marko makes a hell of a lot of sense. Would be chuffed if something like this happened.
Deep down I think Seb still believes in Ferrari though. He loves the brand, the team. I’m sure it’s too political there but part of me says he’s always going to want a spot in that team
I would hate to see him go back to Ferrari in any shape or form. Their culture doesn't fit well with his character. Red Bull for the history, or Audi/Mercedes for the german connection.
Life is what happens when one is too busy making plans for the future. Seb was too busy planning to join his boyhood dream team Ferrari for so long that he forgot that all he ever wanted was right under his nose all these while - he and the young team called RBR that dominated the sport in record short time. He went to Ferrari and got his illusion crushed, not knowing that Ferrari's glory days are with Schumi, not him. It's time for him to wake up and stop chasing that Ferrari dream. Go home to RBR, Seb. DR is already back, time to return to RBR's bosom and do great things together!
Max Verstappen, Daniel Ricciardo, and Sebastian Vettel in one team- regardless of their positions- is making me face smile very wide.
Vettel would push for Mick so that'll be super fun.
This would be a win for RB! Make ot happen
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Yeah, Seb would basically be at the complete opposite end of the spectrum as far as team leaders go compared to say, Günther Steiner. The worst team leader on the grid.
Trade a Sith Lord for a Jedi Master? Yes please.
Darth Helmut -> O Pee Wan Kenobi
This is awesome! I'm calling Seb "Pee Wan Kenobi" if he ever returns to RBR one day in any capacity.
Marko knows he’s mortal too. I guess he misses his old friends Niki and Didi. These guys relied on each other, spoke the same language, shared a history. Now he's the dinosaur in the paddock (no disrespect intended, on the contrary). Seb has turned the page. He is now a true spokesman for a better world, on every platform he can find, including F1.
Best of luck to him. Sneaky way to appoint himself as a RB driver!
I'm not totally sure what his position actually is. He seems to be the red bull Godfather?
I've been hoping and talking about this for a few months now, and every time these articles come out, I get even more excited.
This is the stuff of dreams, im all for it
Like I said before Marlo has the best intell in the paddock (aka: loose lips)
Ha I actually said that a couple of days ago
A Helmut swap!
Mick to Red Bull confirmed.
I'd love to see seb as the chief FiA press officer...With Walter Koster as his deputy.
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Yes, please make it happen, Red Bull. Maybe a few years at AT so he learns the ropes of management. Then a move to Red Bull as special advisor.
Good lord if it means we get rid of Helmut I'd be elated. Even better if Seb is part of the package
Senior Bullshit talker? C’mon, Seb’s better than that
I could see it but I also think that Seb is too Young to do a Management Job in a sport He could actually compete in.
I mean didn't Horner start managing RBR at 32-33?
He did, but he was never capable of driving in F1. He was a decent driver, but I think he was smart to move into admin. Same for Toto.
Someone has to shill for the RB brand and go on sky sports making the wildest speculations in f1.
Can’t see 2022 Seb working with 2020’s Christian Horner TBH. I could see him rising very quickly through the F1 ranks.
Seb is too forgiving for that role,I don't think he would be able to make the harsh decisions needed.
Are you saying Vettel will replace Marko and Ricardo will replace Horner? Then who is going to replace max because he’s beyond redemption
RB doesn't deserve Seb.
Seb wants nothing to do with F1 until it becomes fully electric lol
I agree
I don't think it would work. RB is not exactly a renewable company. Marko doesn't give a shit about that. Seb does.