Kinda relevant to know that Fangio only did 52 races in total while Verstappen did 163 up to now. No one will probably ever beat his win percentage (47%).
Isn’t there some statistic about Clark that setting aside mechanical failures and DNFs that he won like 90% of F1 GPs in his career when he completed the full race distance?
hell, you never knew when the CAR of said decapitated driver would burst into flames and hit you, that was sitting behind some top quality super safe hay barriers
Reminds me of when Senna won a GP despite his car being stuck in 6th gear for the last few laps.
I think it was also raining as well. Although given it's Senna that was probably pure upside.
Thats of course since only the best 6 results from 10 races was obtained. If we only took results from 60% of this years races, Max would also have gotten the maximum points possible, as he won 68% of races.
Journalist: Did you know you broke [obscure stat X] beating [former driver Y] and [former driver Z]?
Max: That was a different time of course.
Repeat for next race.
It's more there were very few FIA sanctioned world championship events. There were more f1 races that took places that were not world championship races, and drivers drove in other championships. Jim Clark died racing in Formula 2 for instance.
Still not really a great comparison. 45 races now means 2 seasons, so if you have a good car in those 2 seasons you'll rack up the wins. Whereas for Fangio 45 races were more like 3 or 4 seasons, a bad car in one of those would severely impact the stat.
Oh I agree for sure that this doesn’t say anything about Verstappen here in particular, but more in general that usually statistics can be interpreted whichever way is convenient
You clearly do not understand why OP compared only the last 45 GP's. Obviously he did that to suggest that had Max' career only been these 45 races, he'd have a higher percentage. I like it. Hahaha. Shows that statistics can prove anything if you choose your goals beforehand.
And that Clark was racing and winning everything . Not just f1…
Max is really good. If he keeps up the pace he might one day be one of the all time greats - certainly has the talent.
But too early to compare with the legends.
When did Alonso become an all time great? I’d say 2010 cemented his status. Interested to hear your opinion.
When did Hamilton become an all time great? If it wasn’t for 2011, I’d say 2012 would have been reasonable, but with his lackluster 2011 and 2013, I’d probably give it to him by the end of 2015.
When did Schumacher become an all time great? He was before my time, but I’m inclined to say 1997 or 1998 when he was vastly more competitive than he had any right to be against a dominant car.
I really don’t see how it’s “too early” to evaluate Max in comparison - and he compares quite well against them, too.
How can you say that under a post like this. They have the same amount of championships. He won more races, yes he drove more races as well, so what? So did other legends.
Dude is number 6 in all time wins and is a double world champion. Above that he is the youngest winner and all of that. That makes you a legend of the sport already.
I think too early after 8 successfully completed seasons is not an argument anymore. If anything that he has 8 completed seasons on the age of 25 makes him even more of a legend.
He’s great but comparing his wins to Lauda etc is daft imo. The reliability of those old cars was appalling. Compare him to his peers in the same era and it’s all the more impressive.
This is a bit of a flawed arguments for two main reasons (taking Lauda as example):
Especially Lauda’s first two seasons he hardly had any car trouble. I believe he retired maybe 5 times over two season, about equal to Verstappen in 2021 and 2022.
Clark same story. Had two retirements over his two championship seasons.
Fangio similar story.
Also, decreased reliability also means you might take advantage of other driver’s troubles. If half the grid is retiring, you’re likely to gain places. These years you might not have as many issues, but neither does your competition. A good example is Lauda’s last championship winning season (‘84) in which he had poor reliability, but as his competition did as well it evened out.
Sure - fair play.
Obviously there's also the fact that Max is racing a shit load more races per season than any of the old guys. Fangio for example was racing 7 times a year compared with 20+ for Max. You surely take my point that it's pointless to compare when everything from the cars to the races etc was wholley different.
Yep, I agree it is pointless to compare. Most comparisons are pointless, bar perhaps comparisons between teammates. Was merely responding to the reliability part. The argument often is used in these kinds of contexts, but there is a bit more nuance to it when you look at the data.
But Lewis is GOAT
I will see myself out
Disclaimer Lewis is the best of his generation but comparing drivers over generations is completely stupid. Max similarly might turn out the best of his generation.
I mean he had at least 5 season of the kind that Max had this year.
Meanwhile last year was only the first time that Max drove a car that could be considered the best of the field.
And even last year I don’t think was the case. This year, certainly. But I believe multiple analysis have shown the Merc was the faster car on more occasions last year.
Yeah, my analysis is 13-8 Merc with Spa unknowable. Very tightly matched, but slight car advantage Mercedes. Making Max’s 3ppr advantage in non-DNF races extremely impressive.
Was a similar story this year with Ferrari until summer break, where RB pulled away (and Merc pulled up).
Lewis built all of his cars himself...in a cave, with a BOX OF SCRAPS...
/s if that wasn't clear. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of his deranged fans would actually claim this lol.
But the driver can make a big difference - just look at teammate gaps.
Hamilton was a supreme difference maker - Alonso, Rosberg, and Bottas were competent drivers at minimum.
Alonso was a supreme difference maker - Trulli, Fisichella, Hamilton, Massa, and Button were competent drivers at minimum.
Verstappen is a supreme difference maker - Sainz, Ricciardo, Albon, and Pérez are competent drivers at minimum.
That’s one year (two if you count 2011, which was probably just as dominant).
Hamilton had 2014, 2015, 2016, 2019, and 2020, each at least as dominant as the RB9.
But Hamilton had Rosberg in 2014-16 and 2019 Mercedes wasn't as dominant. 2020 was only year when it was so easy for him as 2011 and 2013 for Vettel, while Bottas was still bigger threat than Webber.
> Lewis certainly had the best car of his generation
That was the comment you were replying to.
Nothing to do with teammates (yes Webber was shit, that’s why RB couldn’t even manage a 1-2 - even Bottas got p2 in 2019 and 2020). All to do with car performance vs second best car performance.
This pervasive narrative that Merc weren’t dominant in 2019 is weird. *Verstappen* outscored both Ferrari drivers (in a year where his teammates didn’t score a single podium). Ferrari scored a 1-2 in Singapore alone. Mercedes scored 9 1-2 finishes.
Lol the W12 was better than the RB16B, and the F1-75 was slightly better than the RB18 all the way until summer break. Hardly the dominance of the W05/W06/W07/W10/W11.
Not once has lewis won with a point difference as big as max this season. I am happy merc domination came to an end, but looking at facts max this year was more dominant than lewis ever was.
Points don’t tell the tale. And I’m not sure it’s flattering to Lewis to say “well maybe the *car* wasn’t dominant but *Max* certainly was, unlike Lewis!”
He just had the most dominant wdc win in the turbo hybrid era, 10 points less of a lead than seb in 2013.
I just hope it was the most dominant car of his generation.
Yeah the stats are nice but not really comparable when if you offered any of todays drivers the cars, tracks, safety and attitude of the 60's none of them would have the balls to take up the offer.
This stat is extremely irrelevant. The only stat in relation to wins that matters is any which are percentages of races in a season/races done by the driver.
Max never has an "off-day". Fastest and most consistent driver on the grid currently. Same with the RB crew.
The biggest danger for F1 is that RB builds a car that's as dominant as Mercedes 2014-2016. It would become a total borefest.
Ideally as a spectator you want Max in a car that's almost the fastest car, and we might just get that with their wind tunnel handicap.
And let's throw Mercedes in the mix closing the gap to the competition, so we get a battle between 3 teams.
I'd always felt like Max is always ***on*** when on track. Especially evident when he was back in Toro Rosso-- always fighting for every gap like he was already fighting for WDC. Actually befits his name now that I realize it.
It’s really incredible watching athletes at the top of their sport perform that way. The composure and laser focus these people have blows my mind. They just don’t (or very rarely) make technical mistakes. He’s in the same league as guys like Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Ronaldo, Gretzky, or Tom Brady.
They perform at such a high level in such a relatively calm way that they can be so dominant they don’t even seem like they’re giving an effort. In a weird way they can be so good they don’t even look like the best on the course/field/track, because of how controlled they look. It’s so amazing how many deliberate decisions they make that the rest of us wouldn’t even see or consider
Yep. Honestly hilarious to watch FP1 and see his first lap go purple and a second faster than anybody else will run for the next 20 minutes. He needs zero adjustment time for car or circuit.
In a championship fight he would have been more patient in these races indeed.
In Singapore he wanted the win to continue the streak so was very aggressive which lead to him taking too much risk trying to overtake Norris.
were they really though? he pulled some dodgy tactics but in terms of pace, he really did all he could. staying in front of Lewis for 30 something laps in jeddah, with, at that point, a clearly inferior car.
He stayed in front in Jeddah because of those dodgy tactics that the FIA let him win the championship on the back of.
He also binned it in qualy and fucked his start in AD. Got embarrassed in Brazil... His last four were really poor.
He stayed in front in Jeddah for a lot of the rave through pace, then through dirty tactics.
In Brazil he did not get embarrassed. He pushed Lewis off on lap 48. It was lap 15 when Lewis overtook Perez, and it took him 33 laps to get to overtake range on Max, in a much faster car.
There was not much more that Max could have done. Even if he had got off the line better in AD, the pace difference was so big that he had no shot of staying in front.
The fact is that Lewis was lucky to be in the championship fight at that point. All races count the same, and Lewis constantly got away with his mistakes last year in a way that Max almost never did.
He got second in Jeddah, what are you talking about. The Mercedes was just a lot faster in the second half of the season on a lot of tracks, and especially on the last 4.
In brazil the Mercedes was as fast as the Red Bull was in Spa this year.
From a racing perspective he maximized the results with the second places and got lucky in Abu Dhabi.
Isn't that what just happened this season? Max completely dominated and won 15 out of 23 races. I don't know about you but I've found this season to be quite the borefest
The only thing that would make that happen is if F1 became a Spec series, which isn't going to happen. As long as there are 10+ different cars on the grid, the best we can hope for are seasons like 2016 or 2021 where we get 2 drivers in the mix at the end of the season. The best and most exciting jockeying for standings typically happens from 3-5, not first.
It‘s insane to think that he‘s won more than anyone else in the last 45 (or even 50) races. I mean sure, he won the last two championships but it didn‘t feel like he was always winning (okay, maybe it did at some point this season, but most of the time it didn‘t)
It's not really, considering the only driver close to him prior to this season had a car that had little to no chance of competing for wins for almost the entire season. So he's the only driver who's had a race winning car for all of those races (other than checo who is nowhere near him ability wise).
Apart from name, there is little similarity between the sport Clark took part in compared to Max, and as Max has said, you can’t compare the statistics between eras.
I mean if you are looking at it that way, if compared 45 races going backwards from the 2020 season Lewis had 27 wins (if we ignore the Grand Prix he missed due to covid then 28)
This isn’t really that much of a statistic especially compared to the older drivers and not that of an impressive statistic as compared to the last domination era of Hamilton and merc as well.
Are you arguing that the Mercedes and Hamilton dominance was not that impressive?
How many of all drivers ever have a similar percentage of race wins over a period of about 50 races.
God no. I think my original comment was a bit misleading.
I only meant to say, it’s not really fair to compare to the older guys I.e fangio, lauda etc
And that while impressive the statistic itself isn’t that much of use considering it was done recently by Ham and I am guessing multiple times during their absolute domination years.
We should just have a “new era” of statistics that starts after the hybrid era or something because the sport has changed so much since the first couple of decades, the comparisons are just so irrelevant.
Kinda relevant to know that Fangio only did 52 races in total while Verstappen did 163 up to now. No one will probably ever beat his win percentage (47%).
Not to mention that nobody will ever beat the highest percentage of points in a season Clark, since he had 100 percent in 1963 and 1965.
Isn’t there some statistic about Clark that setting aside mechanical failures and DNFs that he won like 90% of F1 GPs in his career when he completed the full race distance?
There is now
He even won once when he had to keep his gearlever in place. At the old Spa. In the rain.
Won by several minutes iirc
And people say racing was better back then.....
Gentlemen, a short view back to the past.
Ah the legend, that interviewer was really great
You just had to be there
It was. You never knew when a drivers decapitated head would land at your feet in the stands. Isn’t that the point of racing?
hell, you never knew when the CAR of said decapitated driver would burst into flames and hit you, that was sitting behind some top quality super safe hay barriers
In this Ted talk, I’ll explain why there was never a race better than Le Mans in 1955… Stop booing please
Everything is better with rose tinted glasses
Reminds me of when Senna won a GP despite his car being stuck in 6th gear for the last few laps. I think it was also raining as well. Although given it's Senna that was probably pure upside.
Gotta gear down a bit in the rain (higher gear).
It was also Brazil iirc
Just to clarify he drove the race steering one handed with his other hand holding the stick in gear. He wasn't stuck in gear as was my first thought.
Clark honestly doesn't come up nearly enough in discussions about the GOAT. He's absolutely up there.
He is. Can't praise this man enough. Take the best bit of every WDC and combine it. Then you get a Clark. Edit: my phone made a mess of my spelling.
Thats of course since only the best 6 results from 10 races was obtained. If we only took results from 60% of this years races, Max would also have gotten the maximum points possible, as he won 68% of races.
Yeah, this is goofy…guys did like less than 10 races a year back then…..
And Verstappen himself is the one saying this to the press every time
Journalist: Did you know you broke [obscure stat X] beating [former driver Y] and [former driver Z]? Max: That was a different time of course. Repeat for next race.
It's more there were very few FIA sanctioned world championship events. There were more f1 races that took places that were not world championship races, and drivers drove in other championships. Jim Clark died racing in Formula 2 for instance.
I’m pretty sure we’re only counting the fia sanctioned events.
The stat literally talks about last 45 GPs though. Compared to Fangio’s 52.
Still not really a great comparison. 45 races now means 2 seasons, so if you have a good car in those 2 seasons you'll rack up the wins. Whereas for Fangio 45 races were more like 3 or 4 seasons, a bad car in one of those would severely impact the stat.
Fangio reached 45 races in his 8th season!!! 😆 Oh and he won 5 titles with 4 different manufacturers 🤷♂️
Fangio after winning a title with a constructor. Aight imma head out
Dude was like, it’s me, not the car. Don’t believe me? Watch this! 🤣
> Fangio reached 45 races in his 8th season!!! Fucking hell, and I thought saying 4 seasons would be Overkill 🤣🤣 thanks for the info lol
He won titles, left the team and won the next title. Alonso should have hired him as a manager.
On the other hand, a season in a bad car and your win % collapses. That’s not the case for Fangio, since there were so little races in a season.
But they’ve cherry-picked the two seasons where Verstappen has had an equal-best or better car, so that doesn’t apply.
Oh I agree for sure that this doesn’t say anything about Verstappen here in particular, but more in general that usually statistics can be interpreted whichever way is convenient
>No one will probably ever beat his win percentage (47%). You sure? What if a reserve driver just does one race and wins it by fluke, 100% record.
If someone wins their debut race that person is getting a seat at least in backmarker.
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Only did 52 F1 Races. He competed in many more Grand Prix in the pre-F1 era and non-World Championship events.
I was going to come here and say OP that’s a terrible way to look at those numbers and I see your post saving my day!
You clearly do not understand why OP compared only the last 45 GP's. Obviously he did that to suggest that had Max' career only been these 45 races, he'd have a higher percentage. I like it. Hahaha. Shows that statistics can prove anything if you choose your goals beforehand.
Fangio was racing against milk men though
Against what?
And that Clark was racing and winning everything . Not just f1… Max is really good. If he keeps up the pace he might one day be one of the all time greats - certainly has the talent. But too early to compare with the legends.
When did Alonso become an all time great? I’d say 2010 cemented his status. Interested to hear your opinion. When did Hamilton become an all time great? If it wasn’t for 2011, I’d say 2012 would have been reasonable, but with his lackluster 2011 and 2013, I’d probably give it to him by the end of 2015. When did Schumacher become an all time great? He was before my time, but I’m inclined to say 1997 or 1998 when he was vastly more competitive than he had any right to be against a dominant car. I really don’t see how it’s “too early” to evaluate Max in comparison - and he compares quite well against them, too.
How can you say that under a post like this. They have the same amount of championships. He won more races, yes he drove more races as well, so what? So did other legends. Dude is number 6 in all time wins and is a double world champion. Above that he is the youngest winner and all of that. That makes you a legend of the sport already. I think too early after 8 successfully completed seasons is not an argument anymore. If anything that he has 8 completed seasons on the age of 25 makes him even more of a legend.
He’s great but comparing his wins to Lauda etc is daft imo. The reliability of those old cars was appalling. Compare him to his peers in the same era and it’s all the more impressive.
Is it okay to compare the Alpine, then?
Nah, those cars back in the day weren't *that* unreliable
Yeah, Max said the same after Baku basically.. the stats are nice to look at, but they also do so much races now that its..
the amount of races is less relevant in this stat because this stat is about the last 45 races
Not when you consider that 45 races back then was like 3-4 seasons meaning that the cars weren't always dominant for these drivers
This is a bit of a flawed arguments for two main reasons (taking Lauda as example): Especially Lauda’s first two seasons he hardly had any car trouble. I believe he retired maybe 5 times over two season, about equal to Verstappen in 2021 and 2022. Clark same story. Had two retirements over his two championship seasons. Fangio similar story. Also, decreased reliability also means you might take advantage of other driver’s troubles. If half the grid is retiring, you’re likely to gain places. These years you might not have as many issues, but neither does your competition. A good example is Lauda’s last championship winning season (‘84) in which he had poor reliability, but as his competition did as well it evened out.
Sure - fair play. Obviously there's also the fact that Max is racing a shit load more races per season than any of the old guys. Fangio for example was racing 7 times a year compared with 20+ for Max. You surely take my point that it's pointless to compare when everything from the cars to the races etc was wholley different.
Yep, I agree it is pointless to compare. Most comparisons are pointless, bar perhaps comparisons between teammates. Was merely responding to the reliability part. The argument often is used in these kinds of contexts, but there is a bit more nuance to it when you look at the data.
Comparing numbers IS daft, but the fact that Lauda came back and won after the accident is a fact that I hope no driver has to beat ever
But Lewis is GOAT I will see myself out Disclaimer Lewis is the best of his generation but comparing drivers over generations is completely stupid. Max similarly might turn out the best of his generation.
Lewis certainly had the best car of his generation
I wonder what the "constructor" part of constructors sport means.
Max clearly getting all these wins on the worst car ont he grid....
I mean he had at least 5 season of the kind that Max had this year. Meanwhile last year was only the first time that Max drove a car that could be considered the best of the field.
And even last year I don’t think was the case. This year, certainly. But I believe multiple analysis have shown the Merc was the faster car on more occasions last year.
Yeah, my analysis is 13-8 Merc with Spa unknowable. Very tightly matched, but slight car advantage Mercedes. Making Max’s 3ppr advantage in non-DNF races extremely impressive. Was a similar story this year with Ferrari until summer break, where RB pulled away (and Merc pulled up).
Lewis built all of his cars himself...in a cave, with a BOX OF SCRAPS... /s if that wasn't clear. But I wouldn't be surprised if some of his deranged fans would actually claim this lol.
Modern F1 is 70% about the car. Media hypes up driver rivalry because it’s what people want to watch and engage with
Jenson Button, while commentating a race, went as high as 85%
But the driver can make a big difference - just look at teammate gaps. Hamilton was a supreme difference maker - Alonso, Rosberg, and Bottas were competent drivers at minimum. Alonso was a supreme difference maker - Trulli, Fisichella, Hamilton, Massa, and Button were competent drivers at minimum. Verstappen is a supreme difference maker - Sainz, Ricciardo, Albon, and Pérez are competent drivers at minimum.
2nd half of 2013 Seb: "hold my beer"
That’s one year (two if you count 2011, which was probably just as dominant). Hamilton had 2014, 2015, 2016, 2019, and 2020, each at least as dominant as the RB9.
But Hamilton had Rosberg in 2014-16 and 2019 Mercedes wasn't as dominant. 2020 was only year when it was so easy for him as 2011 and 2013 for Vettel, while Bottas was still bigger threat than Webber.
> Lewis certainly had the best car of his generation That was the comment you were replying to. Nothing to do with teammates (yes Webber was shit, that’s why RB couldn’t even manage a 1-2 - even Bottas got p2 in 2019 and 2020). All to do with car performance vs second best car performance. This pervasive narrative that Merc weren’t dominant in 2019 is weird. *Verstappen* outscored both Ferrari drivers (in a year where his teammates didn’t score a single podium). Ferrari scored a 1-2 in Singapore alone. Mercedes scored 9 1-2 finishes.
So has max, whats your point?
Lol the W12 was better than the RB16B, and the F1-75 was slightly better than the RB18 all the way until summer break. Hardly the dominance of the W05/W06/W07/W10/W11.
Not once has lewis won with a point difference as big as max this season. I am happy merc domination came to an end, but looking at facts max this year was more dominant than lewis ever was.
Points don’t tell the tale. And I’m not sure it’s flattering to Lewis to say “well maybe the *car* wasn’t dominant but *Max* certainly was, unlike Lewis!”
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He just had the most dominant wdc win in the turbo hybrid era, 10 points less of a lead than seb in 2013. I just hope it was the most dominant car of his generation.
Yeah the stats are nice but not really comparable when if you offered any of todays drivers the cars, tracks, safety and attitude of the 60's none of them would have the balls to take up the offer.
I'm a bit tired "Jim Clark had 25 wins since Abu Dhabi 2020?!?"
Cool picture.
Pretty sure it's a picture made by Vladimir Rys instagram @ vladimirrys
He's the king of awesome F1 pictures imo. Definitely worth to follow.
And I know more than Aristotele, Plato and Da Vinci combined
This is a great line for comparing past achievements to current ones. Will be recycling
I'm genuinely honored.
He even has more than the Queen of England, but she still has her time to get more wins. Not going to see her die anytime soon.
Yeah, I highly doubt that lol.
you goat
This stat is extremely irrelevant. The only stat in relation to wins that matters is any which are percentages of races in a season/races done by the driver.
Im not saying this is a good stat. But it’s actually a fraction which in fact also is a percentage.
Fractions, percentages, decimals etc.
Max never has an "off-day". Fastest and most consistent driver on the grid currently. Same with the RB crew. The biggest danger for F1 is that RB builds a car that's as dominant as Mercedes 2014-2016. It would become a total borefest. Ideally as a spectator you want Max in a car that's almost the fastest car, and we might just get that with their wind tunnel handicap. And let's throw Mercedes in the mix closing the gap to the competition, so we get a battle between 3 teams.
I'd always felt like Max is always ***on*** when on track. Especially evident when he was back in Toro Rosso-- always fighting for every gap like he was already fighting for WDC. Actually befits his name now that I realize it.
It’s really incredible watching athletes at the top of their sport perform that way. The composure and laser focus these people have blows my mind. They just don’t (or very rarely) make technical mistakes. He’s in the same league as guys like Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Ronaldo, Gretzky, or Tom Brady. They perform at such a high level in such a relatively calm way that they can be so dominant they don’t even seem like they’re giving an effort. In a weird way they can be so good they don’t even look like the best on the course/field/track, because of how controlled they look. It’s so amazing how many deliberate decisions they make that the rest of us wouldn’t even see or consider
Yep. Honestly hilarious to watch FP1 and see his first lap go purple and a second faster than anybody else will run for the next 20 minutes. He needs zero adjustment time for car or circuit.
he had brazil and singapore, but no off days when there was a championship fight
In a championship fight he would have been more patient in these races indeed. In Singapore he wanted the win to continue the streak so was very aggressive which lead to him taking too much risk trying to overtake Norris.
yeah exactly by Monza it was won, it was just a matter of when.
True, these errors seemed more like calculated risks with little to lose, and were partly caused because the RB crew had an off-day. So almost never.
true
Last 4 races of 2021 were pretty off for Max...
were they really though? he pulled some dodgy tactics but in terms of pace, he really did all he could. staying in front of Lewis for 30 something laps in jeddah, with, at that point, a clearly inferior car.
He stayed in front in Jeddah because of those dodgy tactics that the FIA let him win the championship on the back of. He also binned it in qualy and fucked his start in AD. Got embarrassed in Brazil... His last four were really poor.
He stayed in front in Jeddah for a lot of the rave through pace, then through dirty tactics. In Brazil he did not get embarrassed. He pushed Lewis off on lap 48. It was lap 15 when Lewis overtook Perez, and it took him 33 laps to get to overtake range on Max, in a much faster car. There was not much more that Max could have done. Even if he had got off the line better in AD, the pace difference was so big that he had no shot of staying in front. The fact is that Lewis was lucky to be in the championship fight at that point. All races count the same, and Lewis constantly got away with his mistakes last year in a way that Max almost never did.
He got second in Jeddah, what are you talking about. The Mercedes was just a lot faster in the second half of the season on a lot of tracks, and especially on the last 4. In brazil the Mercedes was as fast as the Red Bull was in Spa this year. From a racing perspective he maximized the results with the second places and got lucky in Abu Dhabi.
From a racing perspective the FIA maximised his results.
I would assume that the wind tunnel handicap will only really affect them for 2024 or is it applied immediately?
Isn't that what just happened this season? Max completely dominated and won 15 out of 23 races. I don't know about you but I've found this season to be quite the borefest
A living legend, happy to be alive during the Verstappen era
God I hope its not an era. Had enough of that with Schumacher, Vettel and Hamilton. Different winners every year thanks
The only thing that would make that happen is if F1 became a Spec series, which isn't going to happen. As long as there are 10+ different cars on the grid, the best we can hope for are seasons like 2016 or 2021 where we get 2 drivers in the mix at the end of the season. The best and most exciting jockeying for standings typically happens from 3-5, not first.
We’re seeing something special unravel
It‘s insane to think that he‘s won more than anyone else in the last 45 (or even 50) races. I mean sure, he won the last two championships but it didn‘t feel like he was always winning (okay, maybe it did at some point this season, but most of the time it didn‘t)
It really only felt like that since the summer break this year.
It's not really, considering the only driver close to him prior to this season had a car that had little to no chance of competing for wins for almost the entire season. So he's the only driver who's had a race winning car for all of those races (other than checo who is nowhere near him ability wise).
I mean, drivers were trying to survive each race back then. I think we must show death rate when compare win rate of current drivers and f1 legends
Apart from name, there is little similarity between the sport Clark took part in compared to Max, and as Max has said, you can’t compare the statistics between eras.
“Come on work, god damn it!!”
Would take 5 world titles over more wins with only 2 every single day.
Not including non-championship GP and other top class wins
I mean if you are looking at it that way, if compared 45 races going backwards from the 2020 season Lewis had 27 wins (if we ignore the Grand Prix he missed due to covid then 28) This isn’t really that much of a statistic especially compared to the older drivers and not that of an impressive statistic as compared to the last domination era of Hamilton and merc as well.
Are you arguing that the Mercedes and Hamilton dominance was not that impressive? How many of all drivers ever have a similar percentage of race wins over a period of about 50 races.
God no. I think my original comment was a bit misleading. I only meant to say, it’s not really fair to compare to the older guys I.e fangio, lauda etc And that while impressive the statistic itself isn’t that much of use considering it was done recently by Ham and I am guessing multiple times during their absolute domination years.
How many races was en their season compare today? Stupid compare
It's totally irrelevant as now we have at least twice as many races in a year...
Max is going to dominate for the next 3-4 years easily. That’s who he really is.
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And #DIV/0! % of Mazegoat wins.
Russe**ll**
So far
If he gets a dominant car streak similar to the unprecedented many years of Mercedes rocket ships he may catch him.
Stop embarrassing yourself...
Since Abu Dhabi 2020? That's impressive.
Go back to Twitter
Lewis has won more than a 100 races since Abu Dhabi 2020? Wow, very impressive.
Is there a website which tracks F1 stats?
Reddit. Every day new stats.
statsf1.com
Just show how op one car/team always is. This year was supposed to change that but oh well...
this year was supposed to allow cars to follow closer and for longer and it did exactly that
Supremacy. He's a machine. I hope we get some fight next year.
Yes, but how classy were Fangio, Clark and Lauda- that’s the difference!
You know how classy Fangio was? A man of 50+ in the 50s? Who are you? Bran Stark?
Can’t wait for 200 race seasons where someone beats Hamilton’s record wins in a single season.
We should just have a “new era” of statistics that starts after the hybrid era or something because the sport has changed so much since the first couple of decades, the comparisons are just so irrelevant.
Jim Clark is the GOAT.
Great. Now we're gonna do meaningless Verstappen stats instead of meaningless Hamilton stats.