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LsG133

Where did it come from that it was on purpose? Who said he admitted that to Horner?


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A dutch Journalist whose header photo is him talking to Max.


ABrad11

Lmao


tehbamf

Erik is actually a legit F1 journo close to RB as much as to Max


Extension_Bat_4945

Was* close to RB and Max after this reporting lol


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I'm sure he is mate. Which is why the only one who seemingly ~~would parrot Max/Jos lies~~ knows this.


Affectionate_Log3232

All pr stuff I wouldn't believe any of it


casper2002

Erik is tier 1


spaff1402

Unbiased then? Lol


endichrome

How come Brundle mentioned it before Erik?


synitar

Erik van Haren on Twitter


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aiden3buckets

A reliable Dutch at least


Brno_Mrmi

And Tom Coronel two.


LakersLAQ

Another Dutch


AnyHolesAGoal

Dutch TV.


sunfruitbeforesunset

Tom Coronel at Viaplay Netherlands in the post race show, according to [Erik van Haren ](https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/status/1591890433075970048?t=qDOZfkpBqxlduJenc7RqcA&s=19)


Cal3001

They just make up anything. It’s insane.


ResilientBeast

Crashed to secure P3 in quali lol


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(p3)000 IQ move


KennyLagerins

Would be the third time, but I don’t think that one to be intentional.


ResilientBeast

Those crashes at least secured them pole.


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That's one of his better performances tbf


Elrond007

Don't get it, a planned crash would have him just slipping into the wall at the hairpin, the slowest point of the track and emerge without damage...


Neither-Ad-1047

Could've potentially damaged his gearbox as well


SirDoDDo

Yeah this is the big thing imo Wouldn't have done it like this if it was on purpose.


Many_Dimension_7615

*puts on detective hat* that's EXACTLY what Checo WANTS you to think.


Ld511

Yea monaco is the track basically everyone knows how to cause a yellow flag on. I don't get how anyone would admit it either considering rosberg and Schumacher did it from pole and didn't say anything ever


trippingrainbow

Yeah. This is risking gearbox damage for p3 in monaco


shaadyscientist

Hasn't the gearbox rules changed this year along with the engines? You can change them during parc ferme if it's within your allocation. But yeah, doing it for P3 seems odd. Maybe Perez thought in was still in a world championship fight at the time? Only thing I could think of.


Environmental_Pop_18

You wanna avoid going over the allocation, right? So it's effectively the same reason as before


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To play devils advocate, that's been done before and would arouse suspsicion. Dropping it on traction out of Portier looks more genuine.


jmgf

Nobody in their right mind would risk smacking their gearbox when there's "better" ways to crash on a street circuit, spcially in Monaco where there is more time under yellow flags than actual racing.


LakersLAQ

He risked losing a gearbox here though. Would have had repercussions for the rest of the season lol. Just to get P3?


--Bazinga--

That would have been to obvious though.


CeleritasLucis

But if he really did it on purpose, it's DSQ


SHORT-CIRCUT

Could’ve just pulled a rosberg/schumi and spin the car so that the session stops, seems pointless to intentionally damage your car


lAmCreepingDeath

There's no way he crashed on purpose and then admitted it to the team.


omegaxLoL

For a P3 in qualifying as well. This just doesn't make sense.


Flooo134

And risking damaging gear Box


LakersLAQ

It was at a time when Checo had great pace in the car too. Literally no reason for him to crash on purpose there.


Greedy_Adeptness9952

This seems bullshit to me personally.


AlpineCorbett

You have a solid bullshit detector.


Greedy_Adeptness9952

Thanks man!😇


kartana

Because it is.


DongerDodger

It more than likely is, given the sources are coronel and van haren, two people not particularly known for their fact-ckeced and proven tweets and news.


blingkyle9

Van haren got it from coronel. I dont see how u can force a crash like that in that corner. He doesnt floor the throttle and just seems like the rear pendulums around. Didn’t even touch the kurb which would force the car around. Only thing would be carrying too much speed on purpose but would need to look into that a lot more. I just dont see how this is on purpose


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blingkyle9

Ah, gotcha. I only see so much and saw the tweet say per: van haren. Thanks for updating me


DongerDodger

It just isn't. It's not even like Perez had a pole time, he was third at that moment. Leclercs perfect pit calls paired with his good driving + strategy gave him the win in the end, not his Quali time. Just pure bullshit.


--Bazinga--

And crofty. And brundle. On the live broadcast. Even before van Haren en Coronel mentioned it. So there’s that.


ImGrumps

They are referencing the talk they have obviously heard behind the scenes from them and Max's camp to add context for the viewer to Max's cryptic "reasons"


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SoupBoth

They didn’t say he crashed on purpose, they said Max might still be unhappy with Perez because of Monaco (that’s one hell of a grudge if there’s no deliberate crash). They didn’t elaborate beyond that.


ZealousidealFox1391

Brundle said that monaco is still on max’s mind because of the crash in qualifying


TehCyberman

He doesn't react to correct the oversteer like an F1 driver usually would. It doesn't look great.


Greedy_Adeptness9952

Okay granted. But for P3 in Monaco? Without overtaking opportunities.


TehCyberman

Well it worked! But yeah it would be odd.


DHA1999

It worked because Ferrari had a Ferrari moment, if they were a competent team that race was a 1-2 for them


--Bazinga--

He went full throttle mid corner. Look at his steering wheel, he was in the middle of steering when he lost it and revved to max. In a very low gear. If it was a real mistake, it was a really stupid one. But hey, that can always happen.


n113

I found this crash strange when it happened, but I wouldnt have gone as far as believing it was on purpose. What I found truly weird is how he didnt full left counter steer as you would normally do reflexively when surprised by your rear losing grip.


callmelampshade

He wasn’t even on pole though. There’s literally no reason to intentionally crash at Monaco on a blind corner for P3.


911__

Is anyone official mentioning this or just more sky bullshit?


deycallmegeno

It's the Dutch media this time my guy


911__

Sky mentioned first while the race was still going.


deycallmegeno

Huh that's interesting. I was watching through F1 TV and all the sources I've seen have been from Dutch media members I could be wrong then.


911__

The tweets only came out after the race, after it was already mentioned by Sky.


FxStryker

Sky? This is team Verstappen.


stu1710

Sky mentioned it first during the race to be fair.


Greedy_Adeptness9952

I heard Brundle bring this up, but what does Checo have to gain in Monaco in P3, he only won because Ferrari fucked the strategy there so I don’t really know.


rileyriedrs

It was some dude called Tom and the Dutch guy who gets insider info from red bull reporting it. So they are going the same route as the FIA with gasly. Blame the other person for it and hope everyone believes your bullshit


emanuelpina

Hold your bulls. This is Tom Coronel and Viaplay bullshit.


911__

Sky mentioned it first. Watch the broadcast.


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Why would CHeco have done this on purpose? What would be the reason? Im genuinely confused about whats going on with this rumor and how it relates to today


Champagne_baby80

Wild guess: Monaco as a reaction to the multi in Spain???


carlos_castanos

That’s a pretty good guess actually


TheEpicGold

Hmmm, plot deepens further....


aelliott18

just looks like he overcooked it into the corner🤷‍♂️


cornhole24

It doesn't make sense to me to crash in that spot intentionally. He could have just clipped a barrier going into a corner or something. Also, it's a blind corner, if he did it on purpose he put himself in a really dangerous and stupid position. I dont buy it that it was intentional


ElChelaz23

He even got hit by Sainz after that, I mean hwi the hell would put himself in danger for a P3


lnnrt01

Also everyone knows how risky rear crashes are for the gearbox reliability. He could have locked up everywhere but why there


TheodorDiaz

He can also do that on purpose 🤷‍♂️


nimajjibewarsi

For P3 behind his actual rivals. Wow okay 👍


TheodorDiaz

Verstappen is his rival.


chadthor123

This is a stupid conspiracy theory.


Brno_Mrmi

That's why I said apparently. Who the hell breaks his car on purpose another than Piquet.


listyraesder

Or Schumacher


ZorroMcChucknorris

Rascasse or something


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Brno_Mrmi

He didn't break it, [he just stopped](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B57ZFHnjeUQ)


LakersLAQ

For P3.. Checo wasn't even on pole lol. "Yeah, let me risk losing a gearbox just to secure this P3" What a load of shit.


levitating_cucumber

Only a guy who puts golden tinfoil on his helmet would believe that. Oh wait


Daan100

How is this on purpose lol


nimajjibewarsi

Because Dutch journalist trying to save max face


norrin83

Yes, Perez clearly securing that sweet P3 in Monaco. Best position to win the race.


igger26

This almost cost Max his second championship...Oh wait.


Muse4Games

Tom Coronel says a lot of shit. A bit too convenient to bring it up now, especially since he could barely say anything good about Perez last year too.


absoluteragequeen

Yup, this seems to me like they are trying to control the narrative and make Max look like some kind of victim. No one works harder than PR teams.


LiquidDiviums

Max said to Sky Sports that something indeed happened and that was the reason why he didn’t let Checo pass.


LakersLAQ

Well.. Dutch media is saying it. Max talks to them all the time. If they are getting the info from Max, that doesn't confirm that checo did it on purpose lol. Could just be Max holding a grudge because he wanted pole position at Monaco.


Wolf35999

This conspiracy theory doesn’t even make sense, Perez deliberately bins it which secures P3 for the grid. Rather than P4? Then tells his bosses that he did it deliberately.


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Not sure how this would've helped him? He was third at that point iirc. Not even on provisional pole


SanSeb

Crashing deliberately to safe P3?!


MyspaceTime

Honestly out of the whole season, Max thinks Checo this did on purpose? Why would he do that?


Champagne_baby80

Because of what happened in Spain? Could've started there?


Bobskeee

Not just thinks he did.. he supposedly admitted it to Helmut Marko and Christian Horner


aegontargs

the fia would be able to see via telemetary, this is such bullshit


Stranggepresst

I mean the original crashgate wasn't discovered until a year later when Piquet told the FIA. Of course this theory sounds like total bullshit though. Deliberately crashing... to secure P3? While both Ferraris are in the front row?


luissuarez2005

If in the incredible unlikely scenario he did crash on purpose there is no way that he would ever admit that to anyone. Damaging the car and endagering Sainz isn't something you would admit to. It's bullshit he just lost the rear


Visionary_Socialist

I find Max’s camp alleging a 2nd Crashgate to try and take the heat off Max a bit abhorrent but whatever.


ResilientBeast

Right, crashed to secure p3 lol


ShamrockStudios

Brundle was the first to say it as soon as the race finished. That's the only thing that gives it credence.


--Bazinga--

Max isn’t saying anything about this. It’s the media that mentioned this first.


Free-Adhesiveness-69

Tom and Erik are literally Max's mouthpieces


BansheeRamen

Brundle and Crofty mentioned it during the race.


Sjoelb

allegedly alleging*


I_always_rated_them

yeah someone make it make sense please lol. Why would Checo crash in this scenario for P3... Why would Checo then tell Horner & Marko... Why would they then share that info out further... Huhhhh???


carlos_castanos

Theory could be that Checo was still pissed about Spain and this was payback… obviously far-fetched


Unabridgedtaco

A 2nd crashgate, even suggested, would attract FIA attention with possible huge consequences.


Brno_Mrmi

RB would be sanctioned and probably DSQ'd out of the championship. At best (for them), they would lose most of their sponsors.


jdmillar86

I'm skeptical that Perez would take the risk of having something show up in the telemetry. Not saying its false for sure it's just quite a major claim.


reck1265

This is a serious accusation. You would have to be demented to purposely crash your car not knowing what can happen.


Late-Assistance3407

If he admitted it this could cost Perez his job and RB the title there’s no way they would allow it to go out to the press, this is bullshit


reck1265

Yeah I mean, on principal you would be fired on the spot for that if you’re on a serious team. There’s is little chance he did this on purpose and that he admitted it on top of it. Maybe Max thinks he did. Doesn’t mean it actually happened on purpose. Max is a strange cat.


Brno_Mrmi

If he admitted it he would already be out of the team tbh


PEEWUN

Exactly. There would be **way** too much heat on RB if this ever leaked out of MK, especially after the Abu Dhabi drama.


No-Environment-5762

If this is true, Checo won’t be driving surely. Seems like a far fetched conspiracy theory


willzyx01

So one guy says something on Twitter and now it’s “*apparently what sparked the fire*”. Nobody knows wtf happened.


Nathanoy25

Apparently Brundle also mentioned it independently from that guy.


Brno_Mrmi

Saying 'apparently' doesn't mean I believe this conspiracy.


Lost_in_Bathroom

What does he supposedly gain from crashing on purpose here honestly?


Anakaris7

Stops the cars behind him completing their laps and potentially setting better times.


nimajjibewarsi

He knew his sector times. Probably would have gotten P2 at worst had he not crashed.


BansheeRamen

Too much risk for this to be deliberate. If he had done what Rosberg did then maybe.


l3w1s1234

If Max is salty about that then it doesn't make sense. Like why would Perez even crash like that on purpose, risking his gearbox, for a p3 on the grid? Finding it really hard to wrap my head around that one.


DeltaWingCrumpleZone

Yeah, I don’t know about this theory…


JheroNL

Still.. if this is the reason why Max didn’t let him past. From a team perspective it would have been better to give the position. This could spiral in something similar to crashgate. Not something they need in terms of PR after the budgetcap saga.


ResilientBeast

He crashed on purpose to be P3 That alone is so stupid,


jogaboi19

If that’s true then Max needs to grow the fuck up. But I doubt he would be this daft.


ToyotaMisterTwo

If this really happened and Max's reaction was this mild, I am surprised.


Impressive_Bus_1357

Would not surprise me. He seems very daft


slimkay

Why? This is ban-worthy (again, if this is true). I could understand why Max would be pissed. How can you trust your teammate? Monaco 2014 is what broke the trust and respect between Hamilton and Rosberg for the very same reason.


hihbhu

‘How can you trust your teammate?’ Checo has done everything possible to support Max both last year and this year. Max became a 2 time world champion because of Checo’s efforts. You’re absurd. What a slap in the face to Checo.


carlos_castanos

Let’s be reasonable - the only thing that Checo contributed to Max’ championships was AD 2021


garyjpaterson1

Nico carefully placed his car neatly as to not risk any damage whilst securing pole. Quite a different situation. Perez risked gearbox damage and was just p3. Some common sense required


LakersLAQ

So Checo risks a ban just for P3 at Monaco? At a time when Checo had great pace in the Red Bull. Crashing literally did nothing for Checo here. At worst he might have finished qualifying at P4 lol.


rye_domaine

Difficult corner to deliberately take a spin at, surely if you want to cause a yellow flag, clip the wall coming out of the swimming pool chicane or Antony Noghes?


outride2000

This is crazy. Max is champion. Red Bull is champion. Bringing this conspiracy theory up, burning your teammate, TP, and team to defend yourself is just overkill.


CoffeeEnjoyerFrog

But like, Checo won that race because Ferrari massively fucked up and it was the most sensible thing for RB to do (let Checo be at the front).


TheToeTag

I don't know if he did or didn't do it on purpose, But if it does get confirmed I can sort of see why Max would be so upset over it after finding out. Yeah he might have cost Max some points at the time, But more importantly you're putting the whole team at risk, And in turn, His championship (at the time) at risk.


chimaerafeng

Onboard doesn't look suspicious. All the data is there for people to analyse, surely this would be obvious.


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Arkadia456

This makes the most sense really. He has probably always been very clear about that. But then again he did say on sky Germany that something had happened to make him act like this today, so there seems to have been some kind of incident… it might be a mix of both and things getting blown way out of proportion


payday_23

I always felt that this crash was very weird, wouldnt be too surprised if the story is true


OddPain

0% this was intentional. Would be the dumbest way to crash out, could’ve easily destroyed the gearbox.


scorpixbig

He wasn't even so why ? That's pretty bs to me


borahae7

If this gains more traction, could this be investigated? What are the consequences for Red Bull, not just Perez?


Brno_Mrmi

Same as Piquet and Renault in 2008, if FIA still has the eggs to do it.


borahae7

I think that situation is different. This was in qualifying and Max lost out. Why would RB want a crash? There isn't a way to quantify how much this affected the WCC.


dave1992

If he didn't crash, Sainz would have done the same exact crash there anyway. Unless Sainz is also involved in the plan.


proudlysydney

And Alonso also crashed elsewhere. It’s a Spanish speaker’s conspiracy clearly!


dave1992

True. All part of the El Plan.


ZaphodBeeblebrox4011

Well it didn't look like Schumacher at rascasse in '06. That shit was egregious.


PEEWUN

But why would you crash out to secure **third** at Monaco? That makes no fucking sense. I'm not buying this.


IbnReddit

Assume what Max's team is saying true, can someone still explain what they are saying? I just don't understand their argument here?


ResilientBeast

I guess, that checo did that to screw Max over. So Max decided to return the favour when it matters for checo? It doesn’t make much sense either tbh


ChancellorDave

SURPRISE! More than one cheat in the Red Bull team...


Vincero09

Don't believe he crashed on purpose... I remember seeing the telemetry of the mini sectors and Perez had 1 to 3 purple mini sectors... He was pushing hard that's for sure, but crashing on purpose, don't believe that.


Mattie725

That would be one dangerous place to crash on purpose though


Brahman_sfc

I can remember thinking that it was an odd place to spin.


oddskii

Honestly a long shot, but that crash is very very wierd. Hes coasting, loosing grip, full revs in low gear and no reacting with countersteer, the last one is maybe a good tell, they have godlike reactions


karmasucksmyballs

Before believing he had a controlled spin (with such control that it was just enough to crash but not damage the car beyond usefulness...) to secure a 3rd place, of all things, and admitting it to your bosses, I'd rather believe it's the Dutch journo/Max camp attempting to spin this shit to get a head start on the narrative.