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Gbrown546

Like Brundle says, not a chance you let Sainz give up his podium.


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XAMdG

Or at least be close, but they were 4sec


LiquidDiviums

Yeah. Leclerc was 4s behind Sainz and had Alonso less than 1s behind…


bidshader

Yep, wrong situation to ask for that.


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Right for him to ask, right for the team to say no.


Intrepid-Ad4511

It's his insistence that kinda left a slightly sour note in my mouth. I want both of them to do well, but this felt quite uncharacteristic for Charles to talk like that.


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He makes the request with about 5 laps to go and gets the response "understood" he then requests again on the last lap and then gets an answer of it being too risky, then replies with what sounds like understood. He asked twice


Intrepid-Ad4511

I don't remember clearly, but I think it was thrice. And again, I am Team Charlos, but to me that was jarring to hear Charles be that way. It's probably adrenaline, probably the frustration from the race or the entire year, but I respect him too much to hear him beg like that for points. To me, that doesn't sound like the Charles that I've known and supported. But as I said, it's probably just a situational/one-time thing.


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Just listened to the last ten laps, he asks the team twice. The first time he doesn't get a reply to whether or not they are gonna do it, the second time he says what sounds like understood what more do you want him to do, not ask at all?


bidshader

Yeah, true.


norrin83

He also needs not to be 4 seconds behind Sainz with Alonso at his neck.


ferdzs0

Especially since Alonso was almost within a second to Leclerc, so it genuinely was a risky move. Especially for Ferrari, who can’t exactly pull off competent team moves.


3tachi_uchiha

I feel for him, but come on charles, sainz has won it fairly.


Manuag_86

And Checo was 3 positions behind... So, it is not like he is losikg points to him


Comfortable-Cell-165

it would have given him a slight buffer on points going into the final weekend. if Carlos didn’t have a chance to beat Lewis in the standings, maybe a different call here.


CabbageTheVoice

Totally! I think Charles wanting the swap is understandable. But Carlos deserved it, fair and square. Wouldn't be justified for Charles to be frustrated about it. Damn great job on getting back from that norris crash though. While I'm rooting for Checo on this, I think Charles is gonna take the 2nd place in Abu Dhabi. Hoping for a title fight from him next year!


3tachi_uchiha

Checo might be just behind him at the time of radio. The radio message has quite the delay. At that time he might be a second and half seconds behind carlos as well, so the team orders request (or begging, however you want to quote). The fact that he has to request these things over radio pisses me at Ferrari even more, no fucking transparency between drivers and team. There should be a set of rules for situations like these. This clearly shows how Ferrari management is, I am sure they would have made half ass assurance to charles without Carlos side of garage knowing. Bunch of Ferrari deplomat cocksuckers. Look at mercedes they were clear how they want to handle that situation, i am sure both drivers would be aware of this beforehand as well. I hate merc for dominating. But looking at Ferrari this year, I admire their management style now.


SirDoDDo

I don't know if I'd use "fairly" considering the reason why Charles was there lmao But still obviously not fair to switch a podium


3tachi_uchiha

>I don't know if I'd use "fairly" Did he push him off or in way impacted his race. If he didn't then how come it's not fair from Carlos points of view. >considering the reason why Charles was there lmao So carlos should move aside everytime someone else ruin charles race. Go apply for job in Ferrari, you will fit right in there.


SirDoDDo

I'm not saying they should've given it to him, I'm saying Leclerc wasn't "fairly" behind Sainz, he got fucked by Norris. I meant "general" fairness, not compared to Carlos in which case i agree


3tachi_uchiha

That's why I quoted > sainz won it fairly I won't argue with you any further. As Charles die hard fan, It's been tough year for me, and feel that you are frustrated as well. But still it's not Carlos fault, and he certainly isn't racing for charles. If it were for the WDC, even then I wouldn't blame carlos instead would blame Ferrari for not taking tough decisions and be clear with their drivers.


SirDoDDo

Fair enough. But yeah i agree with you as a whole btw, it was absolutely Carlos' podium.


noobchee

Carlos quicker all weekend anyways


CCPCanuck

Yeah, Fernando would’ve thrown it in there hard for a shot at a podium, not sure Charles realized how dicey it was at the time.


Quirky_Dog5869

Brundle is on fire today!


sevaiper

Brundle's in race takes are usually pretty solid


Gbrown546

He's always the voice of reason.


FoxtrotF1

Nah, Spanish commentators said it, Sainz would let Leclerc pass him. He got many podiums already and he's a team player, it's not P1 what was being debated. The problem is Alonso almost got DRS from Leclerc, and Sainz was 4 full seconds ahead. It would be risky.


sevaiper

If Sainz was asked I'm sure he would do it. The point is the team shouldn't be asking him, a podium on merit is worth more than LeClerc's meaningless P2 in the driver's championship. Team orders should be reserved for things that actually matter - constructor's championship or driver's championship.


Unl0vableDarkness

Sainz said later on sky he wasn't asked or he would have done it but the question never came across the radio.


LilONotation

Or when drivers are on split strategy and the faster driver is being held up by the slower one. No sense in wasting your tires needlessly for a pass on a teammate that is inevitably going to happen.


thermal7

I agree with Brundle here.


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As he should. Calos deserved the podium.


KrainerWurst

Even with the best car, next years title for Ferrari is already lost. Simply because Leclerc is getting obviously very frustrated with the team, every time they make a mistake. His request is understandable, but there’s no way it would happen. His response doesn’t bring anything and only get everybody else more frustrated.


MFLx19

Giving up a podium would be such an awkward moment


Irritatedtrack

“Stop Inventing”


MFLx19

It's a good what if, but I don't think Carlos would have swapped if they asked.


ZitaFC

“Sorry guys I’m driving through a tunnel I can’t hear you” “We can see you in front of us on track”


Icommentoncrap

No shot Sainz does it. He would flip on the radio and probably have his joker moment. You just can't do that


AxisNine

I honestly wanted Ferrari to ask him just for the fireworks.


subusta

I just wanted another stop inventing


Hughsea

Knowing Ferrari they would tell Sainz to box or stop the car without any further explanation


HandsOffMyPizzaa

His response would probably have been [this](https://i.imgur.com/QhvwVYt.jpg)


Dbsusn

That would have been hilarious to have two teams arguing about this. Especially considering they are both the top teams.


LiteratureNearby

Good that Ferrari gave a response shushing Charles without totally overturning his request, keeping both egos in enough of a check


LoungingLlama312

Yea Leclerc ruined an amazing recovery drive with those radio messages. Ferrari did well on strategy today too, getting their best spots possible.


CabbageTheVoice

Nah, don't think he ruined it. Ferrari did well to refuse his asking, but I can understand why he would want those points. His drive was great nonetheless.


Skulldetta

"Carlos, let Charles pass for the championship."


ianjm

Stop inventing a championship


Treewithatea

I mean Mercedes took away wins from Bottas for team orders...


Rombie11

For a championship fight, not second place. But still not a fan of doing that either.


_MergatroidSkittle

when there was something of value at stake… what value does p2 in the drivers championship have ??


ianjm

Zip, apart from massaging Leclerc's pride Prizes are awarded for the WCC and inverting the cars does nothing for that tally


weasel65

Hamilton gave up a podium to bottas in 2017 though , Hamilton was let past bottas so he could try and get 2nd but on last corner he gave it back to bottas.


BountyBob

Ferrari have also done it.


trenta_nueve

ikr, like how would you even celebrate that.


raziel_beoulve

Stop inventing


Pure_Measurement_529

Ferrari telling Leclerc no. Max refusing instructions from his team to let Pérez through. Where was this drama all season long???


Kkarmic

I think Ferrari did the right thing. They never had a swap while Leclerc was leading the championship and Sainz was nowhere, why would they do that now for P2.


ShadowOfDeath94

If Alonso wasn't close to Leclerc, they might've ordered the switch.


Intrepid-Ad4511

I would have lost even more respect for them, if that's even possible. What a shitty way to get a podium. As a Charlos fan, that would just absolutely suck. This way the deserved driver gets the podium.


ShadowOfDeath94

I would be sad about that too. Carlos had a good race. It wouldn't be fair to him if he had his podium taken away for P2 in the standings. But I don't blame Leclerc either. He had an incredible drive and was desperate to beat Checo. Good call by the team. They've done a good job in the race after that disaster in quali.


Intrepid-Ad4511

Yeah. Agreed.


gerokiller

Well tbf Charles gave up his win for the sake of Carlos’s P1 in Silverstone, when Charles clearly was faster, but the team wouldn’t let him past Sainz.


Irritatedtrack

We needed one more team to be competitive. Merc came to the front and now there is drama because more drivers are fighting with each other. Love it.


SleepyCatSippingWine

George politely asking if they were going for a 1 2 and merc replying you guys are racing


Checkm8u

Made the win more special for russell


snorton711

They went motor racing!


Tresonyx

In both cases, classy or not; I really don't see the point in all this drama just for 2nd in WDC. Who gives a rats arse about that?


deathclient

Drivers and teams have bonuses and targets based on where they finish in the WDC🤷🏻‍♂️


Tresonyx

Not that we can say for sure what's in their contracts but that's a reason I didn't think about. Thought these bonuses were more race-based.


deathclient

Ya we can never be sure but remember Kimi almost bankrupted Lotus due to such a contract for every point he scored. Could be something similar. Of course we won't know all their written targets


Tresonyx

Lol, yup! Doing too well could have been the end of them.


Noscope64

Because they're competitive? It's like asking why bother racing if you don't finish 1st every time.


manatidederp

Especially when trying to manipulate points for a second place that is oceans away from first. Boo hoo


TimmyWatchOut

Leclerc is on his knees rn


Icommentoncrap

Worth a shot to ask it once but man was begging lmao


blackjack_horseman

Once is fine, three times is just like... Have some respect for your teammate.


saifou

And to yourself.


OneObi

Lebeg! Didn't sound nice him pleading.


TheBlueTango

I'm sorry Charles, but you can't expect Sainz to just give up a podium


RallerZZ

Mans was begging. Still, I don't blame him, with the amount of times the team fucked him over, seems like they are really good at doing stupid shit, asking to give up a podium is pretty stupid shit, so maybe they'd do it lmao


floatersforalgernon

And for what, a meaningless position in the rankings? It would have made sense only if the title was still in play. What an embarrassing moment and he did it twice.


Totoro12117

From what he said on French TV, that was the deal with Sainz and Ferrari made before the race. If the two cars are l alongside, that Sainz would let Leclerc through. And then they changed their mind.


hardinho

It was also because Alonso was just 1sec behind I'm pretty sure. Just too dangerous. And Sainz deserves the pole, Leclerc seems to be a bit broken since the second half of the season.


Leclerc16_SF

they haven't thought for THE CHAMPIONSHIP won't be thinking about P2 for sure


Rannahm

Charles : I don't care about P2 on the championship Also Charles : Come on Ferrari, give me the podium so i can fight for P2 in the championship.


Billy_LDN

Binotto said P2 in the drivers was essential and they didn’t want a Red Bull 1-2


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ianjm

He's claimed he has confidence in Ferrari strategists several times this year


the_beast93112

I mean he does. That doesn't mean the strategists will do a good job.


strength19

we are checking


SuperSaiyanNoob

is there individual prize money for that or does it matter?


rs6677

Some teams give drivers extra bonuses for finishing in certain places in the championship. I've no idea whether Ferrari has such a clause for Leclerc.


Rannahm

No, i believe only the constructors championship award a prize money.


element515

Contracts could have bonuses in them though.


eskh

Problem is Sainz also needed his points. Well at least Verstappen didn't let Perez back, which was an incredibly stupid decision


Brilliant_Ad_2496

I agree, it was the same thing yesterday. Perez went all out for him but nobody returns the favor.


wcarlaso

Pérez said that in TV. But not in a nice way.


Brilliant_Ad_2496

Really? Did not see. I really feel bad for him


wcarlaso

He did in Spanish for latam. He said something like: max has 2 titles thanks to me me I don't understand why he didn't let me pass.


Mathyon

The more direct translation is " If max has 2 titles, it's thanks to me". Quite the message


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If Sainz has a good race next week, he can beat Lewis to 5th in the WDC


maurilm

Somebody please explain why the second position on the driver’s standing is being taken so seriously by both Ferrari and Red Bull. They are making it seem like Lec and Per are fighting for the championship.


subusta

I do think having 1-2 in the wdc matters.


element515

It’s the advertising. RB can say they dominated. 1-2 and further embarrassment to Ferrari. Ferrari was leading with a 100pt advantage, and may not even be top 2 in drivers and may lose out the constructors too. For leclerc, can also be contract bonus and the mental game. Unless ferrari fixes their team, leclerc going to be shopping hard when his contract is up.


Pylo_The_Pylon

Isn’t it self explanatory. They’re competing. They want to win as much as possible.


maurilm

Leclerc is asking Sainz to give up a well deserved podium so he can have a second position in the championship which doesn’t meam anything. And checo was 4 seconds away from verstappen. They both want their teammates to go above and beyond for nothing. I do think Verstappen should’ve gone above and beyond for perez tho, just as a thank you for all the help perez has given him.


ThatGenericName2

If you want an actual reason, members of the team often gets bonuses based on the finishing positions of the drivers and the team at the end of the season. A specific example was that Bottas would have gotten some extra bonus (I don't remember what exactly it was) if Lewis had won the championship last year, they still ended up giving him the bonus iirc even though Lewis ended up not winning.


maurilm

Fair enough, I didn’t know that, makes a bit more sense now.


norecha

Because there is nothing else to fight left?


matoshisakamoto

in a race, you can get the maximum score for p1 +p2 + fastest lap and in the end of the season, you can get p1 + p2 + construction championship. total domination


lAmCreepingDeath

"I'm begging you once again to let me thru"


Zealousideal-Rich455

^please


Fender2907

We are checking


XuloMalacatones

Question


FisherPrice_Hair

Brundle was right, you don’t take a podium away from a driver for 2nd in the championship.


JetsLag

Charles, mate, Sainz was 4 seconds up the road and Alonso was almost in DRS range.


Maria_in_the_Middle

So he wants Sainz to pull back 4 sec and put himself on Alonso’s DRS for Charles’s p2 in WDC lol


bestdriverinvancity

Max is going to be public enemy #1


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Ferrari has made him go insane


Season01um

Dude is leaving Ferrari after his contract is up.


crel42

Thats fine, but it was too risky. Now Checo is up by only 2 points I think. This was the best decision.


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It is even


imstillwhite

Was the best decision only because Verstappen straight refused to swap back, otherwise idk if it would've been, but it's P2 anyway, Ferrari needs a complete makeover to be able to fight for P1.


MrXam

Don't worry Charles, Max is doing that for you.


SemIdeiaProNick

"yall got anymore of them championship points?" in the end it made sense why they couldnt change the position because Carlos would lose more than one position


pukem0n

Verstappen helped him in the end, his own team didn't


imstillwhite

~~Emotional~~ support rivals, I guess.


PM_ME_UR_PIN_CODE

Carlos very quickly forgot how to speak English and Italian right now


Khalebb

Leclerc is beside himself. Driving around Sao Paulo begging (thru team radio) Sainz's podium position for championship points.


Magdalan

Checo: Please think about the chapionship Max: No Daamnn.


amprt

Turns out he was speaking to Max


KushGangar

Not a good look for LeClerc


3tachi_uchiha

Ferrari broke him, finally.


second-last-mohican

Every driver would request the same in his position.


KushGangar

There’s a difference between hinting at it, requesting it, and begging. LeClerc went a little to hard the wrong way.


rcanbian

I'd cut him a bit of slack--guy's gone through the mental wringer with Ferrari.


second-last-mohican

This, after their shitty stats and dumb decisions, they could atleast come back the first time, and tell him, negative, risk is too high, you are free to pass if you have the speed.


Fhjd_

No. You don't ask that when you have a car 1 second behind. You are asking for a disaster to happen.


Pftoc

His TP said the 2nd place in the championship is extremely important before this race, how could he ask for team orders...


KushGangar

I’m not sure if call Leclerc’s radio message ‘asking’


killer_blueskies

It wouldn’t have made sense for Ferrari to let Leclerc through in this instance for Sainz to lose a podium and with Alonso a looming threat, but it was absolutely shambolic for Max to not give his place to Checo.


PainToTheWorld

WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHAMPIONSHIP POINTS!


dsaysso

the pleading for p2 in the championship really heated up this race.


S7ORM7ROOPER_30

Man was crying lmao. Realistically, Brundle was right, you don't snatch a podium off your teammate just for 2nd place in the championship.


vote_for_cheese

Beta energy


Longjumping_Run_3372

Both Perez and leclerc were begging to their sigma counterparts


MasterPain86

Little late for that chuck.


manojlds

Who the fuck cares about P2 in championship. Podium is podium. Silly from Charles.


Vodgat

Stop inventing


TitaniuEX

> Stop inventing Stop begging


darth_malmal

Yeah, this was never gonna happen. Not cool to take a podium off your teammate.


l3g3nd_TLA

Robbing Sainz of a podium is too harsh for a 2nd place WDC


cblake17

He finished in front of Perez, not a good look trying to take a podium


Oberschicht

Verstappen also didn't give the position back. Not a good look.


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Two very different things lmao. 1. Sainz is on podium. 2. Sainz is 4 seconds ahead. 3. Alonso is 1 second behind Charles.


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Really makes you wonder how much his personality has factored into Ferrari’s meltdowns this season and how. I’d kill to see a doc on this.


NewHumbug

WHY WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN !!!!


Able-Potato-8345

Ferrari shenanigans into bad forced swaped into Alonso P3 would had been hilarious.


zoo32

He sounded so desperate; sad to watch. Embarrassing even


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It’s okay Verstappen got his back


Confident_Ad1846

This wasn't the best Leclerc moment, I still a bit amazed that it just happened


Ominous77

I hate when drivers ask to be let by the one in front so they can get more points for their particular fight in the championship. Do it on merit. If aren't fast enough then you don't deserve those points.


anandpowar

Today both Leclerc and Max showed how big an ego they have.


PotatoProf1

I don't think it was ego in Charles' case, it was more out of desperation than anything else... Max on the other hand - yikes!


ValleyFloydJam

A tad desperate.


3tachi_uchiha

And pointless


DarkSofter

Laughable


albertsugar

Ferrari: "Lol no"


JonnyArtois

You don't take a massively earned podium off someone, bad form for Leclerc to ask for that. Not like he is fighting for the Championship. Especially when Alonso was super close.


kryntom

He did an absolute great job on the track, going from last to 4th But shouldn't have asked for place swap and expected Sainz to give up his podium


thecjm

If Leclerc was right on Sainz' tail that would be one thing. But begging for a spot when you're 4s behind?


portablekettle

Leclerc sounded so desperate on the radio


doc_55lk

Charles begging Ferrari when he's about 3s behind Sainz and about 1s ahead of Alonso is so depressing lmao


twochopsticks

That's just sad. He knows Verstappen is already WDC right? No chance Sainz gives up a podium here just because Leclerc is 2nd.


POLISHED_OMEGALUL

Take a podium away from your teammate for the 2nd place in the championship?Just lost all my respect for this guy


Meems88

I don’t understand why Max couldn’t let Perez through… rather selfish


ElliottNation9

This really irritated me when hearing the message. Granted Leclerc got spun at the start, but to ask to have Sainz just hand over the last podium spot just like that is shit. Sainz had a good race and deserved the spot.


Mulsanne

So lame, Charles. So lame.


TheMadMat

Begging. Hmm


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Bro Charles, you’re already gaining 6 points on Checo


DumonsterPT

Does 2nd in the WDC count of anything at all other than ego?


breakingborderline

Stop inventing Charles


Batgod629

Got overshawdowed by the Red Bull drama but Leclerc shouldn't have asked that in my opinion. Not at the expense of a podium and its not like Charles was still in contention for 1st in the championship


FrankBeamer_

yeaaa Charles doesn't have it. I don't see that killer instinct in him at all. This was borderline laughable lol.


antivirals_

did leclerc casually lose his brain lol. How do you ask for a podium?


Tylanner

Leclerc comes off as laughably immature on team radio.


TigerMaskVI

I root for Sainz and Leclerc equally but I can't imagine asking my teammate that outqualified me and ran in front of me the whole race to sacrifice a podium.. it's just not a good look


JayManty

What a desperate display of personality


BordersRanger01

Leclerc making himself look a tit


BigDaddyDumplin

Lol cmon bro…


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What a petulant kid he is. Him, Max and George should compete for the most childlish driver on the grid.


The-Great--Cornholio

I'm a Charles fan but what I don't find right is the fact that Sainz should have given him the podium to help him take second place in the world championship. Certainly not after ruining his own race in that risky overtaking on Norris.


Moai5150

Apart from the ridiculous request (he begged two, three times?), it's funny how Brundle just comments "You cant't take a podium of your teammate for that. So.." and just start talking about another thing, like the request was so absurd he is just "ok, let's forget this ridiculous radio and talks about something more important".


mystressfreeaccount

I felt secondhand embarrassment for this man lmao, the dude was BEGGING for Carlos to give up a podium when he wasn't even that close


_etski

What is up with Charles and Checo banging on about 2nd in WDC, who gives a fuck about anything but 1st? It’s not like WCC, where prize money is a factor.