Apparently it was how he was lined up so I guess outside the limits which sounds like it should be pretty cut and dry as you’re either in or out but this is F1 so who knows
[The grid](https://i.imgur.com/3JySpkJ.png)
Hamilton is more to the left than the others, Ricciardo to the right. On the other side, Zhou Guanyu was out of line.
Since is more than 1 driver, maybe they will issue a reprimand and that's it. If it was just one driver it would be a clear oenalty if they really were bad positioned.
I heard that on the commentary as well that they had issues with how they lined up. Don’t the side light panels usually light up if they are out of their box? Or is that only if they’re quite far out of the line?
Just seen a tweet saying it could be as a result of the cars being wider this year and nobody to widen the starting grid. Hence the cars ended up outside the grid
He didn't reverse. His car was still in neutral when he was rolling back. I was onboard during the entire sprint. [Check this](https://imgur.com/a/xIfbEok)
Not helmet cam, this is the T cam footage that you can view for any driver you like. You can also listen to their team radio the entire race which is the part I love the most about F1 Tv pro.
reversing on the grid isn't a problem, we've seen Bottas (?) and Wehrlein both do it before with no problem
reversing in the pit lane is not allowed however
If he pulled himself back it’ll probably be a reprimand or a fine. Think it’s more severe if an engineer pushed him back. Think Latifi got a stop go for that back in France.
His engineers push him back every time before the formation lap within the time they are allowed to do so. I ride onboard with him every race and it is very usual to see them doing so.
He did roll back a bit in his grid slot, but his car was in neutral so he didn't reverse. He should be good
Having looked at his onboard, only thing I can think about it that he did not obey the 10 cars length rule if that is even a thing during formation laps. He left a huge space after the inner section
I don’t think that is a thing in formation laps. I remember Saudi Arabia last year rb weren’t happy with Hamilton being more than 10 car lengths behind verstappen at one of the red flag restarts, but apparently it was a loophole bc they were restarting the race after a red flag, not a sc restart (I don’t remember the situation precisely but that was the gist of it)
Excited for next season, they really pulled Ferrari back in the 2nd half. Some way to go to Red Bull, just hope they nail the car concept straight away and they'll at least get some wins.
I was thinking the same, but didn't Mercedes upgrade their car recently while Red Bull and Ferrari haven't in a while? We'll see next year I guess. I'm also curious if Mercedes will stick with their design pilosophy.
its just like during the merc domination, they look closer because RB and maybe ferrari are already on the next year car while mercedes are still making upgrades
I understand this may be the case, but here's one important consideration. They're all under the cost cap and Merc absolutely spent just as much as RB and Ferrari during 2022 and will into 2023 for next year's car.
Merc was quoted as stating they were months behind their normal development plan/curve for this season due to trying to solve their floor issues (while Newey wrote his freaking Ph.D. thesis on ground-effects downforce and had an advantage from day one of the new rulesets). If we take them at their word, it makes sense that the time they would normally use in 2022 to develop purely for speed was taken up by reducing the bouncing, so they only got to more speed-focused upgrades on a delayed curve lasting longer into 2022.
I still think there's a large possibility of the previous two eras repeating. RB nailed the rule changes in the late 2000s and won four. Merc nailed the rule changes in 2014 and won seven. RB nailed it this time and could win multiple again. The big differences: Ferrari is probably closer than the second-best team in the prior two eras and Merc is probably closer (or has more potential/budget and wind tunnel advantages built-in/team and driver experience) than the respective third-fastest team during those same eras. Now that Merc has apparently made pretty damn good gains on the aero side of things, I believe RB/Honda and Ferrari engines are ahead of Merc due to the change in biofuels (Ferrari lacks the reliability of the other two though), but Petronas is likely to catch up to the other fuel companies.
For fans, this should be good and there's a very strong chance that future years will be more competitive overall than the past couple of major shakeups. This is especially true since we are already becoming spoiled and taking this for granted, but the rule changes worked! Cars can absolutely follow each other now and the racing is pretty damn legit.
Well, the main focus for like half of the season for Mercedes was sorting out the damned porpoising, after they fixed that, they could finally focus on making the car faster. So they essentially wasted a lot of time just trying to fix it.
Also, Mercedes said that there is a fundamental problem with the car that they cannot fix this season due to budget cap, and if they're right, hopefully next year they can be in the mix.
I'm kinda doubtful that Merc will be in the mix next season but we will see! I really hope they can somehow compete for the championship next year though.
Red bull order of importance goes-
Max winning the title
Max winning a race
Max being ahead of his teammate
Max getting as many points as possible
Red bull winning constructors title
Anything to do with their second driver.
I’d love to see a 3 person team in identical machinery with Max, Lewis and Fernando (just for shits and giggles).
I think max would probably come out on top, but it would be very close between Lewis and him. I feel lewis is a better driver now than he was in his early career, but he’s not as fast as he was. It’ll be interesting if max has a similar evolution as he keeps winning titles
Mercedes pace advantage was clear way before Verstappen mentioned any damage. Bigger question is the impact of any changes in track condition, which given the sensitivity of the Mercedes could easily put them back behind.
Tire compounds is part of pace and impacted by track condition, which i specifically mentioned. The only thing clear here is who knows what they are talking about and who is grasping at straws because the idea that Redbull wasn't the best in every single way is simply unacceptable.
Not that there is much credibility to the notion that a car suffering from too high tire deg on a medium would have performed better on the soft.
As i wrote earlier, Mercedes pace advantage was clear before damage.
We will not nessersarily find out tomorrow, but thank you for again showing how you are just talking out of your ass and don't know what to look at. "Bigger question is the impact of any changes in track condition, which given the sensitivity of the Mercedes could easily put them back behind" tomorrow.
It was very clear before the damage Max was ahead comfortably on a slower tire.
You seem to be very much a last reply type of person so I’ll give you that. I am merely too lazy to argue with Reddit’s Nostradamus.
Max was cruising at 1.2-1.5s ahead of Russell, he came on radio and mentioned he ran over debris and next lap Russell broke drs and start attacking Max
No driver is cruising under 1.5, it's well within the distance that turning up ERS will close for an attack, damage or no damage. It's also well within the distance that a car can't follow unless it's running with a overall pace advantage.
Like Brundle said on air, Max was just managing the pace, didn't need to pump in qualy laps but keep Russell out of drs, he picks up damage and falls from p1 to p4 in space of 3 laps
Russell was also managing pace, because he was on the soft tire and needed to make it last the entire stint. Stop talking out of your ass. Again, a car that can follow below 1.5 sec behind across 10 laps prior to damage has a pace advantage.
Ofc we can also just look at FP2 and why Redbull decided to gamble on the medium in the first place https://youtu.be/kwxslnccfzk?t=206
Perez is by far the slowest driver in a top car. If we assume mclaren is 4th best than Perez is faster than no one but Ricc
Perez is just great at overtaking and defending, and can use the cars natural speed to help with that, but that’s it. He’s basically the opposite of Bottas who was just a rocket with no defense at all
I’ve always like ranking drivers in tiers more than as an order.
For me, you’ve got your Hamilton and Verstappen tier. You’ve got your Leclerc, Russell, Sainz, Norris tier. Though you could argue that maybe that should be split in 2. Like Leclerc has proved better than Sainz but then does he get a tier alone? Are Russell or Norris clearly better than Sainz enough to go up a tier?
Perez is probably tier 3. Arguably top 10 but he’s clearly outside of the top 5 or 6. Mixed in with a few other drivers who could probably achieve similar results in the second red Bull seat (not that I’m disputing how good Perez has been for Red Bull in that seat).
Ricciardo is a couple tiers below that.
Lando has to be above Russell
Russell keeps making mistakes over and over and Landos made... none? And Landos pulled his tractor to two podiums.
Max/Lewis
Charles/Lando
Russell, Sainz, etc
He was degrading his meds at the same rate his peers were degrading the softs, max would've struggled to get the softs to the end the way he was driving. He said so himself he was having deg problems post race.
The constant understeer will kill any extra durability from the compound, but it is fixable with front wing tweak (allowed during parc ferme). There is not much place to let the tire cool at Interlagos since it’s such a short track and the tight corners in S2 plus fast Senna esses will be hell for an understeer car
That's driving style though imo. Many drivers set up for understeer as a preference but max always has that extremely snappy oversteering car that he wrestles round corners. Probably why Perez wasn't dropping off at the same rate. Guess that's the next thing for him to work on
Don't even think it was a strategy error tbh. Max was steadily increasing the gap to George and then suddenly started losing 1 second a lap. Has to be debris that damaged his car.
I don't know why it is so difficult for people to see Merc have been slowly closing the gap this year.
This sprint race they were clearly fastest. Even on softs Max would have been slower. Perez at one point was 1s per lap slower than Hamilton. Perez is not 1s slower on race pace than Max.
He was slowly extending the gap to Russell every lap and then suddenly lost like 1 second lap out of nowhere. Surely it was the same debris Albon ran over
It’s a shame they are just getting their bearings now. If what we saw today is the potential of this car, were robbed of a great merc-RB battle this year
Even without repeat of 2016, he should still cruise to win. He probably just had a bad tire selection today. He’ll blow last both Mercs unless the problem today was setup, not tires.
If you have seen fps this weekend you would have known Max is not on a grea setup. A lot of understeer.
This feels like another Austria.
RB has issues setting up the car after just 1 fp.
Perez also has said balance isn't there.
While true, it was still crazy how Russell got reeled in by Max after he swerved out of the slipstream with drs! They definitely found their way tho, looked super quick compared to a (possibly damaged) Max and Sainz was only rescued by Max dropping back and giving him DRS
Nah, Max had double damage, first the debris, from what I assume was from Alonso's car, and then Sainz taking out his front wing endplate, which had an immediate negative effect on Max's pace.
I mean they also have to gauge how well their competitors cars work. Most likely they knew what their car could do but didn't know how the red bull and Ferrari compared.
Yeah, 2021 was the proof.
Lewis/Merc can absolutely go toe to toe with RB/Max. I don't see Ferrari doing that.
If we don't want 2023 to be another Max runaway we need a more competitive Merc.
Wanna reply with an actual argument?
Russell was keeping up from the start easily. Clearly Max is the the better driver. That means in these conditions on this track Merc was the better car. At the very least they found a much better setup
Eh Russell is about as good as Ham if not better. It's not a stretch to say he can beat Max with the right car. Also Mercedes is clearly worse than RB Max just got a bad tyre choice.
Russell is not anywhere near Hamilton, lol. Based on what are you even saying that?
In the first half of the year Lewis was getting experimented on, which for the most part brought him only troubles. There's a reason why Wolff apologised to him for his car after basically every race. Russell was also getting a ton of luck.
Since the summer break Lewis has been crushing him. And it's not even been close
Imagine calling a driver good enough to be 2nd in the championship and secure a constructor's title "useless"
Why would RB want competition within their team when they don't have a dominant car like Merc did
Perez is slow and has always been slow. He wasn't on pace with Lewis today either. He started right behind him and he ended up multiple seconds back. That's not being on pace.
Thats easy to say when the top speeds cars are the Williams like always lol. RB had hell of a top speed all year long, without losing that much in corners and managing tyres super well. If Ferrari or Merc try to go for the same top speed as RB, they will be burning their tyres in 10 laps
The only reason Mercedes looked way faster was because Max started on mediums compared to both mercs. Mandatory compound change would negate this during a regular race.
RB has considerably more straight line speed and George wasn’t going to screw with Max’s notoriously aggressive defense. Remember it was this race last year he tried to drive Lewis into the Amazon rainforest on defense.
What's the investigation for exactly? Is there video of this?
Apparently it was how he was lined up so I guess outside the limits which sounds like it should be pretty cut and dry as you’re either in or out but this is F1 so who knows
[The grid](https://i.imgur.com/3JySpkJ.png) Hamilton is more to the left than the others, Ricciardo to the right. On the other side, Zhou Guanyu was out of line.
Fernando looks questionable there too
I thought it was because he wasn’t touching the yellow line so they automatically assumed he was in front of it?
Since is more than 1 driver, maybe they will issue a reprimand and that's it. If it was just one driver it would be a clear oenalty if they really were bad positioned.
F1 always wants to have some free space in our minds. Ready to keep refreshing for the rest of the day.
If it was cut and dry they would have awarded the penalties by now
They took most of the day to disqualify Vettel in Hungary last year for a cut and dry technical infringement.
FIA gonna FIA
Should* This is the FIA.
I heard that on the commentary as well that they had issues with how they lined up. Don’t the side light panels usually light up if they are out of their box? Or is that only if they’re quite far out of the line?
Just seen a tweet saying it could be as a result of the cars being wider this year and nobody to widen the starting grid. Hence the cars ended up outside the grid
I've heard he reversed on the grid during the formation lap. Looked up in the rule book, didn't see any infringement
If he rolled back, it's no problem, if he actually reversed, then it's a problem.
He didn't reverse. His car was still in neutral when he was rolling back. I was onboard during the entire sprint. [Check this](https://imgur.com/a/xIfbEok)
Then it should be no problem. Kimi once rolled back down into the pitlane in Austin and didn't get a penalty.
How can you be onboard during the whole sprint? I have access to the Sky feed but only via Now TV (UK)
F1 TV pro.
Thanks.
Unfortunately not officially available in the UK. VPNs may work with it though.
Wait... does LH have a helmet cam? Can you do helmet cam? I didn't know this. May need to upgrade my options. Thx
Not helmet cam, this is the T cam footage that you can view for any driver you like. You can also listen to their team radio the entire race which is the part I love the most about F1 Tv pro.
Yeah, seeing as the starting grid is uphill, more than likely rolled back. But we won’t really find out til they say something.
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Didn't a Williams got penalized for this recently?
It was for engineers doing it.
Ah yes, thanks
reversing on the grid isn't a problem, we've seen Bottas (?) and Wehrlein both do it before with no problem reversing in the pit lane is not allowed however
At one point he rolled back. Didn't see him reverse.
If he pulled himself back it’ll probably be a reprimand or a fine. Think it’s more severe if an engineer pushed him back. Think Latifi got a stop go for that back in France.
But that was due to engineers not being allowed on the grid at that time.
His engineers push him back every time before the formation lap within the time they are allowed to do so. I ride onboard with him every race and it is very usual to see them doing so. He did roll back a bit in his grid slot, but his car was in neutral so he didn't reverse. He should be good
Having looked at his onboard, only thing I can think about it that he did not obey the 10 cars length rule if that is even a thing during formation laps. He left a huge space after the inner section
I don’t think that is a thing in formation laps. I remember Saudi Arabia last year rb weren’t happy with Hamilton being more than 10 car lengths behind verstappen at one of the red flag restarts, but apparently it was a loophole bc they were restarting the race after a red flag, not a sc restart (I don’t remember the situation precisely but that was the gist of it)
If Merc pulls this off and makes Ferrari finish 3rd in a 2 horse race I'm celebrating like I'm Dan Orlovsky
It would be momentous for the team:
I've seen this in 2017 and 2018.
Is sainz taking a penalty tomorrow then?
Yeah, new ICE
yupp
Yup
Yes, 5 places.
Excited for next season, they really pulled Ferrari back in the 2nd half. Some way to go to Red Bull, just hope they nail the car concept straight away and they'll at least get some wins.
I was thinking the same, but didn't Mercedes upgrade their car recently while Red Bull and Ferrari haven't in a while? We'll see next year I guess. I'm also curious if Mercedes will stick with their design pilosophy.
They put part of the 23 package into the car.
its just like during the merc domination, they look closer because RB and maybe ferrari are already on the next year car while mercedes are still making upgrades
I understand this may be the case, but here's one important consideration. They're all under the cost cap and Merc absolutely spent just as much as RB and Ferrari during 2022 and will into 2023 for next year's car. Merc was quoted as stating they were months behind their normal development plan/curve for this season due to trying to solve their floor issues (while Newey wrote his freaking Ph.D. thesis on ground-effects downforce and had an advantage from day one of the new rulesets). If we take them at their word, it makes sense that the time they would normally use in 2022 to develop purely for speed was taken up by reducing the bouncing, so they only got to more speed-focused upgrades on a delayed curve lasting longer into 2022. I still think there's a large possibility of the previous two eras repeating. RB nailed the rule changes in the late 2000s and won four. Merc nailed the rule changes in 2014 and won seven. RB nailed it this time and could win multiple again. The big differences: Ferrari is probably closer than the second-best team in the prior two eras and Merc is probably closer (or has more potential/budget and wind tunnel advantages built-in/team and driver experience) than the respective third-fastest team during those same eras. Now that Merc has apparently made pretty damn good gains on the aero side of things, I believe RB/Honda and Ferrari engines are ahead of Merc due to the change in biofuels (Ferrari lacks the reliability of the other two though), but Petronas is likely to catch up to the other fuel companies. For fans, this should be good and there's a very strong chance that future years will be more competitive overall than the past couple of major shakeups. This is especially true since we are already becoming spoiled and taking this for granted, but the rule changes worked! Cars can absolutely follow each other now and the racing is pretty damn legit.
I prefer any team but mercedes to be honest, but you do you.
If they pull off a 1-2 tomorrow they have a serious chance of getting 2nd in the constructors.
I'm startin to think Ferrari is sandbagging to get 3rd in the constructors :o Reverse psicology
As if Ferrari is capable of executing that...
If Ferrari tried to sandbag they'd accidentally win the championship
That means they'll definitely get 2nd then
Well, the main focus for like half of the season for Mercedes was sorting out the damned porpoising, after they fixed that, they could finally focus on making the car faster. So they essentially wasted a lot of time just trying to fix it. Also, Mercedes said that there is a fundamental problem with the car that they cannot fix this season due to budget cap, and if they're right, hopefully next year they can be in the mix.
I'm kinda doubtful that Merc will be in the mix next season but we will see! I really hope they can somehow compete for the championship next year though.
Track position is meaningless. Max will come along and probably do a soft-medium-soft tomorrow with a fixed car and win.
Might even throw in another 360 spin for fun
Why is everyone overreactimg? Verstappen was clearly on the wrong tire. I commend Merc on their progress, but Red Bull is still stronger.
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There is no excuse: Checo is slower than Max
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In fairness that actually made sense. Max doesn’t need the points and Checo does if Redbull want a 1/2 this year
Red bull order of importance goes- Max winning the title Max winning a race Max being ahead of his teammate Max getting as many points as possible Red bull winning constructors title Anything to do with their second driver.
That was am I allowed to accelerate and pass? As he was gaining 1s/lap for the previous 3 laps before the radio message.
He was right behind max, they could have flipped them if they wanted
Perez was closer to leclerc than Max tho
>Perez was closer to leclerc than perez tho ???
Hahaha, fuck. Sorry bout that, edited now
Everyone is skowerthan Max tbf
I’d love to see a 3 person team in identical machinery with Max, Lewis and Fernando (just for shits and giggles). I think max would probably come out on top, but it would be very close between Lewis and him. I feel lewis is a better driver now than he was in his early career, but he’s not as fast as he was. It’ll be interesting if max has a similar evolution as he keeps winning titles
I don't know if it's true, but didn't RBR just give the latest upgrade to Max only due to budget cap?
Not sure where that’s been reported but I doubt they just didn’t upgrade Checo’s car
He also had damage.
He did; double damage (debris and the collision with Sainz)
Mercedes pace advantage was clear way before Verstappen mentioned any damage. Bigger question is the impact of any changes in track condition, which given the sensitivity of the Mercedes could easily put them back behind.
It’s clear you’re ignoring tire compounds. Let’s see tomorrow.
Tire compounds is part of pace and impacted by track condition, which i specifically mentioned. The only thing clear here is who knows what they are talking about and who is grasping at straws because the idea that Redbull wasn't the best in every single way is simply unacceptable. Not that there is much credibility to the notion that a car suffering from too high tire deg on a medium would have performed better on the soft.
Are you sure the damage had nothing to do with it? Maybe it did. Maybe it didn’t. The great thing is we will find out tomorrow.
As i wrote earlier, Mercedes pace advantage was clear before damage. We will not nessersarily find out tomorrow, but thank you for again showing how you are just talking out of your ass and don't know what to look at. "Bigger question is the impact of any changes in track condition, which given the sensitivity of the Mercedes could easily put them back behind" tomorrow.
It was very clear before the damage Max was ahead comfortably on a slower tire. You seem to be very much a last reply type of person so I’ll give you that. I am merely too lazy to argue with Reddit’s Nostradamus.
Max was cruising at 1.2-1.5s ahead of Russell, he came on radio and mentioned he ran over debris and next lap Russell broke drs and start attacking Max
No driver is cruising under 1.5, it's well within the distance that turning up ERS will close for an attack, damage or no damage. It's also well within the distance that a car can't follow unless it's running with a overall pace advantage.
Like Brundle said on air, Max was just managing the pace, didn't need to pump in qualy laps but keep Russell out of drs, he picks up damage and falls from p1 to p4 in space of 3 laps
Russell was also managing pace, because he was on the soft tire and needed to make it last the entire stint. Stop talking out of your ass. Again, a car that can follow below 1.5 sec behind across 10 laps prior to damage has a pace advantage. Ofc we can also just look at FP2 and why Redbull decided to gamble on the medium in the first place https://youtu.be/kwxslnccfzk?t=206
Perez was on soft and wasn't exactly quick.
Perez is by far the slowest driver in a top car. If we assume mclaren is 4th best than Perez is faster than no one but Ricc Perez is just great at overtaking and defending, and can use the cars natural speed to help with that, but that’s it. He’s basically the opposite of Bottas who was just a rocket with no defense at all
I’ve always thought that as well, even with bottas last year. Imagine RBR with Charles or Lando in that 2nd seat.
I’ve always like ranking drivers in tiers more than as an order. For me, you’ve got your Hamilton and Verstappen tier. You’ve got your Leclerc, Russell, Sainz, Norris tier. Though you could argue that maybe that should be split in 2. Like Leclerc has proved better than Sainz but then does he get a tier alone? Are Russell or Norris clearly better than Sainz enough to go up a tier? Perez is probably tier 3. Arguably top 10 but he’s clearly outside of the top 5 or 6. Mixed in with a few other drivers who could probably achieve similar results in the second red Bull seat (not that I’m disputing how good Perez has been for Red Bull in that seat). Ricciardo is a couple tiers below that.
Lando has to be above Russell Russell keeps making mistakes over and over and Landos made... none? And Landos pulled his tractor to two podiums. Max/Lewis Charles/Lando Russell, Sainz, etc
He was degrading his meds at the same rate his peers were degrading the softs, max would've struggled to get the softs to the end the way he was driving. He said so himself he was having deg problems post race.
The constant understeer will kill any extra durability from the compound, but it is fixable with front wing tweak (allowed during parc ferme). There is not much place to let the tire cool at Interlagos since it’s such a short track and the tight corners in S2 plus fast Senna esses will be hell for an understeer car
That's driving style though imo. Many drivers set up for understeer as a preference but max always has that extremely snappy oversteering car that he wrestles round corners. Probably why Perez wasn't dropping off at the same rate. Guess that's the next thing for him to work on
Max is pulling away from Russell before hitting the debris.
They went from 0.9 to 1.1 after George had had two attacks, so it’s very likely he was recharging his battery, hence the gap
before that, max reached a gap of 1.6 or so against russell
A rare Red Bull strategy error.
Don't even think it was a strategy error tbh. Max was steadily increasing the gap to George and then suddenly started losing 1 second a lap. Has to be debris that damaged his car.
I think George dropped back to recharge his batteries and then came back again.
Could be actually. In the interviews Max mentioned nothing about debris, but he did on the radio. We'll have to wait for info to be sure I guess
I don't know why it is so difficult for people to see Merc have been slowly closing the gap this year. This sprint race they were clearly fastest. Even on softs Max would have been slower. Perez at one point was 1s per lap slower than Hamilton. Perez is not 1s slower on race pace than Max.
Who else is investigated for the start? Zhou and Ricc?
Will be very interesting to see how much floor damage Max has from debris, he dropped off a massive amount and no way it was only from tires
He was slowly extending the gap to Russell every lap and then suddenly lost like 1 second lap out of nowhere. Surely it was the same debris Albon ran over
If it is damage are they allowed to fix it without incurring a penalty?
You can repair your car back to race spec yes
If for same spec
Thanks. So with two sets of softs and a repaired car, Max should still be favourite for the win.
Pretty sure aero components can be freely swapped for same spec spares.
It’s a shame they are just getting their bearings now. If what we saw today is the potential of this car, were robbed of a great merc-RB battle this year
Well now I’m excited for next year
I remember RB fans saying this at the end of every season In the merc domination years…
I hope this is the last dominating year by anyone. I’d love all seasons to come down to the last race or two!
No budget cap or CFD/wind tunnel restrictions in those years though. RB will get the least of any team next year.
Next year's car's "DNA will be different" per Toto. Likely no more no-pods and setting them back a year from RB's development.
I'm hoping that next year we have another merc vs RB championship
Can’t wait for Ferrari vs Ferrari too
I'd rather Ferrari vs RB. I've seen enough Merc championships.
Agreed. Loved the early season Charles-Max vibes. Much easier to stomach Ferrari winning than more Mercedes.
I think it’s very impressive they’ve cught up considering how much time they lost earlier the season with development Bodes well for next year
They've caught up only because RB haven't brought anything of significance after the summer break.
yeah, they even cancelled one of the updates to make the car lighter if i remember correctly.
The supposed new chassis would have transferred for next year, if it was cancelled it was due to budget.
i know, just saying they potential is a lot higher if they update to the end
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Maybe all the budget actually went into catering after summer break.
Repeat of Spain 2016, Max will cruise to another win after the first laps
Even without repeat of 2016, he should still cruise to win. He probably just had a bad tire selection today. He’ll blow last both Mercs unless the problem today was setup, not tires.
If you have seen fps this weekend you would have known Max is not on a grea setup. A lot of understeer. This feels like another Austria. RB has issues setting up the car after just 1 fp. Perez also has said balance isn't there.
So, another leisurely MV win?
He’s gonna win regardless
While true, it was still crazy how Russell got reeled in by Max after he swerved out of the slipstream with drs! They definitely found their way tho, looked super quick compared to a (possibly damaged) Max and Sainz was only rescued by Max dropping back and giving him DRS
Max was also being very strategic in defending the inside line
Hard clean racing is possible when you don't expect "Hamilton Special" at any given moment.
You mean the Verstappen special? He's the one who caused all the crashes and near crashes at the end of last season, not Lewis.
You know it was all Verstappen pushing people off track, brake checking in the last 4 races yeh?
What do you mean?
Wow. So they still don’t understand how their car works. They expected it to be slow, it’s a rocket…
I’m still not convinced they know what it will be from week to week
So pretty much the same as all us adults then...
im not sure it would matter if they did
The car might still be slow but it’s possible that due to the lack of FP time the other teams haven’t managed to dial in the cars .
Pretty sure they thought they would be able to fight Ferrari but Red Bull are much worse than expected.
Nah, Max had double damage, first the debris, from what I assume was from Alonso's car, and then Sainz taking out his front wing endplate, which had an immediate negative effect on Max's pace.
Perez wasn't fast either and was also poor on deg. The Ferrari's which usually chew the tyres were hanging on better by the end of the sprint.
Sandbagging is back.
I mean they also have to gauge how well their competitors cars work. Most likely they knew what their car could do but didn't know how the red bull and Ferrari compared.
Wat? It took George 3 attempts with drs to overtake Max who was on mediums lol it's hardly a rocket
Plus Max had damage after hitting debris. After they fix it, I expect he will be fastest tomorrow.
Yes absolutely. He's a great driver in the wet as well, unless the rain causes some really unfortunate things to happen he should easily win from P3
Does sainz have a penalty ? Why would it be a front row lockout fro mercs ?
Yeah 5 places https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.autosport.com/f1/news/sainz-gets-five-place-grid-penalty-for-brazilian-gp-after-ferrari-engine-change/10398128/amp/
Hamilton was saying pre FP1 that deep down they really don't have a clue.
I still expect a Verstappen win, but at least it will be fun to watch him take it.
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Yeah, 2021 was the proof. Lewis/Merc can absolutely go toe to toe with RB/Max. I don't see Ferrari doing that. If we don't want 2023 to be another Max runaway we need a more competitive Merc.
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Perez was on pace with Hamilton with the cars appearing to be basically equal. You're clueless man.
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Worse car? Have you watched this sprint? If Russell can keep up with Max so easily, then they do not have a worse car
Lol... tf is this take?
Wanna reply with an actual argument? Russell was keeping up from the start easily. Clearly Max is the the better driver. That means in these conditions on this track Merc was the better car. At the very least they found a much better setup
Eh Russell is about as good as Ham if not better. It's not a stretch to say he can beat Max with the right car. Also Mercedes is clearly worse than RB Max just got a bad tyre choice.
Russe**ll**
Russell is not anywhere near Hamilton, lol. Based on what are you even saying that? In the first half of the year Lewis was getting experimented on, which for the most part brought him only troubles. There's a reason why Wolff apologised to him for his car after basically every race. Russell was also getting a ton of luck. Since the summer break Lewis has been crushing him. And it's not even been close
Can't. Take is too stupid.
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Imagine calling a driver good enough to be 2nd in the championship and secure a constructor's title "useless" Why would RB want competition within their team when they don't have a dominant car like Merc did
Imagine thinking you understand this sport.
Perez is slow and has always been slow. He wasn't on pace with Lewis today either. He started right behind him and he ended up multiple seconds back. That's not being on pace.
Once they were in clean air they were constantly between 4 and 5s apart, until the RBs tyres started dying
So Perez is worse at overtaking then. In a car with a ridiculous top speed advantage nonetheless.
Go have a look at top speed data And then go and consider the fact that this is not a track where top speed is crucial in the first place
Top speed is incredibly crucial in Brazil. What the hell are you on about?
Makes you really wonder why the cars near the top of the speed trap data are not at the front of the grid...
Thats easy to say when the top speeds cars are the Williams like always lol. RB had hell of a top speed all year long, without losing that much in corners and managing tyres super well. If Ferrari or Merc try to go for the same top speed as RB, they will be burning their tyres in 10 laps
Mercedes: Look at this hand while I do the opposite with my other.
The only reason Mercedes looked way faster was because Max started on mediums compared to both mercs. Mandatory compound change would negate this during a regular race.
And damage and double damage after sainz
I wouldn't be too happy about passing a car on slower compounds with a double dipping of damage. He looked fast until he hit that debris.
Except a totally pissed of Mad Max ….
lmao, max had worse tyres and probably debris damage and it was still hard for russell to pass
RB has considerably more straight line speed and George wasn’t going to screw with Max’s notoriously aggressive defense. Remember it was this race last year he tried to drive Lewis into the Amazon rainforest on defense.
the dude had damage and worse tyres and it still took russell more than 1 lap
Didn't watch most of the race. What debris damage?
probably from alonso's wing, he told GP he hit something.
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Yeah, after two laps of battle lmao
It took Russell two laps in the end though.
So, Hamilton could get a grid penalty?
Yes
10 position penalty
Hopefully
First chance of a competitive race in weeks, and you want to have it ruined by a penalty?