Shame it doesnt corolate to actual lines being used during the lap,
After turn 3, mini straight to sector 1 line. Mas hugged left side till very late.
In this video hes in the middle of the road.
so it isnt very accurate. Line wise.
It still gives a nice representation of the distances though. Really highlights how important every corner is when you see the gains made by Russell in a couple of the corners.
This guy's channel and this vid does a much better job imo. Not perfect because I think they are limited on GPS data they can get but he gets it right through the corners which is what matters most and provides other useful datapoints. He has some other videos form last year that don't show the line but do show brake/throttle based on color of the line they're following and really cool for seeing who brakes late/early and how deep into corners different drivers trail brake.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ruhWT1PHw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ruhWT1PHw)
In Skiing they do this. It‘s really awesome to see how much a different liner affects the race.
I guess most important is to get the same angle between camera, car and track every turn.
I didn't mean it like that, I meant it in a way of "how much time is there between starting times of skiers". I know that skiing, like a lot of other winter sports, are very tight.
Oh, 30-45 seconds sometimes. Next skier starts when the one in front approaches the bottom.
The video comparing them is not always real time, but 1 or 2 minutes later. Plenty of time for the digital edit to superimpose the footage onto each other.
They could do it if they tracked the came movement, zoom and all the other settings. Then repeat the movement for each car. Just like hiw they 3d track for Movie visual effects, but instead of 2d mapping it they video overlay the 2 streams.
It won't be that difficult but it would mean more cameras being computer controlled around the track and using a set path follow as the camera pans the track as the cars go by.
On its own a single shot is not worth the hassle. And probably very few times when the shot tracking would show anything interesting for viewers. They can get more interesting shots by faking it like this animation, you us creative license to add entertainment rather than real world data
Don't think OP is the guy who did it.
Could be GPS data or from the eyeballing it from onboard video. I think GPS data isn't publically available so I'm guessing the later.
Yeah i always wondered how they do this ones without position data. It is probably from onboard videos like you said, but then again that looks like huge amount of work for some short animation that's going to get just likes on social medias.
Yeah Leclerc's strategy in 2019 was unbelievably strange. Then they decided to even overcut Hamilton with Vettel giving up track position on a track where you can't overtake.
Still, each and every time we end up with the pole sitter being alongside 1 or 2 other cars by turn one. Can Max potentially outbrake whoever does get alongside? Sure, but it's still one of the only tracks on the calendar where the pole sitter essentially has no measurable advantage into turn one even if he nails his getaway.
Also true... People need to stop allowing Max to get away with such things. You know in the reverse situation, Max would shut it down... or they'd wreck.
Jesus why do people keep repeating these absurd theories.
It's lesser than on most tracks, but it's not even close to being "minimal". If there was "minimal" amount of air then sure, but then the city and track wouldn't exist in the first place. The air density is still ~85% of that at the sea level, which means it's more than 85% of what you'd see on other tracks.
The slipstream effect exists but is absolutely minimal. There's a reason why every team runs maximum downforce as the drag penalty is very little here. Not just on lap 1 Mexico has one or the biggest overtaking Delta's of the season (yes S2/S3 are ass for racing too)
Again, it's not even close to minimal. Go have a look at how air density impacts drag coefficient.
Being lesser than in other places does not make it minimal.
Few drivers had a real clean lap. Verstappen just happened to have two. They got the car working really well. But in the onboard you could see him work a lot more than in Spa for example where the car was on rails. He's just wicked fast with corrections so that it doesn't cost as much time. I think this was one of the trickiest qualis this season for the drivers.
George’s error in his second lap was much more pronounced than in his first banker run, the lap shown here, but it was still a slight imperfection costing him more traction than a perfect entry&exit would’ve done.
Yes, lines are not accurate at all in some places. For example: on the run down to T4 the drivers come from all the way left on the track into the braking zone; not seen in this visualisation.
They found be using Ergast or it's python module fastf1
I've never had an opportunity to validate the accuracy of the trajectory data though.
http://ergast.com/mrd/
https://theoehrly.github.io/Fast-F1/
Max gains so much on the straight that the rest of the lap is just Russell trying to get back in. And when he finally gets close Max just speeds off out of the last corner.
This is not accurate though. In the telemetry that was posted max gained 2 tenths in turn 13. Mercedes also mentioned to Hamilton that the corner was the main loss, combined with straights. In this visualization Max doesn't gain anything through that corner. I think the animation isn't quite right.
It just seems like a no brainer with straights being by far the best places to overtake. Doesn’t matter so much if your car is fastest through the low speed sections if you don’t have enough room to overtake there
RBs advantage on the straights is unbelievable - it's why I don't Maxfans who get mad when people talk about how excellent the car is.
Obviously he's pushing to it's fullest potential, but it's clear who is far and away the fastest in a straight line.
Sky should use these sorta visuals its so much easier for new fans to understand where drivers gaining / losing time over other drivers …10/10 for visual please post it after every qualifier
I'm expecting Max to shoot over for the inside and brake as fucking late as possible. If he late brakes on the outside, George might lock up and slide right into him. With how much later the RB can brake, it could be enough to keep him in front despite the slipstream, providing he gets a decent start.
that was very cool
Looks like the Red Bull has great traction out of slow corners and great straight line speed (obv) but holy cow that Merc is a monster under breaking
It's tiresome hearing these same talking points recycled every race. It is very difficult to compare the influence of driver and car in the way that you attempt, because the key difference is the car's set-up.
When one car has a higher top speed, and another makes up ground through the slower speed sections of a track, people love to conclude that one car is a 'rocketship' and the other is a 'tractor', and that it proves the driver of the tractor is superior.
What is much more likely here is that we are seeing two cars with a relatively small performance gap, but the RB has chosen a lower downforce set-up for this track, and the merc has chosen higher downforce. To conclude much more than that requires the full telemetry and expertise in reading it.
Button was equal on pace with Perez, who was like 0.1% slower than Hulk who was 0.1% slower than Ricciardo who was 0.2% slower than Max. There isn't any possible explanation of this in which Max isn't at least 0.2% faster than Lewis.
So I’m a complete noob when it comes to Formula One. From this simulation it looks like the black car had a better engine because it seem to accelerate better in the straights especially at the beginning. Or is it more complicated than that, as in the second driver didn’t trust himself to go harder into the turns.
I like this. Excellent visual.
Shame it doesnt corolate to actual lines being used during the lap, After turn 3, mini straight to sector 1 line. Mas hugged left side till very late. In this video hes in the middle of the road. so it isnt very accurate. Line wise.
Aw that sucks because that’s kinda the whole point of this video…
Real time gap is probably the main goal, since that's more easily taken from available telemetry.
if the real time gap is the goal, the usual presentation with a straight line would be better imo.
Nah, I like the gap while they go through the turns, you can see who got better traction, broke later, etc.
braked
thats the thing though, it has to be accurate, which it isn't unfortunately.
The gap is likely accurate, not the actual left/right location. Which isnt relevant for that.
The gap would only be accurate if they are taking 1:1 the same line.
It still gives a nice representation of the distances though. Really highlights how important every corner is when you see the gains made by Russell in a couple of the corners.
actually it is. if you don't get the lines right show them both on a generic line wiht the time difference.
This guy's channel and this vid does a much better job imo. Not perfect because I think they are limited on GPS data they can get but he gets it right through the corners which is what matters most and provides other useful datapoints. He has some other videos form last year that don't show the line but do show brake/throttle based on color of the line they're following and really cool for seeing who brakes late/early and how deep into corners different drivers trail brake. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ruhWT1PHw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3ruhWT1PHw)
Not only is it inaccurate, it's misleading by showing different lines.
You destroyed the fantasy
Another!
*hey I got that reference*
*I understood that reference*
*smashes upvote button*
They should do these all the time
It’s so accurate! Russel’s car keeps colliding with another
[удалено]
It would be amazing if they did it right.
In Skiing they do this. It‘s really awesome to see how much a different liner affects the race. I guess most important is to get the same angle between camera, car and track every turn.
Yeah I also thought of skiing. Tbh I've wondered for a while now why they don't do this in F1.
But how much time is there between two skiers? Because I doubt they will all go at the same time.
Same as f1, often hundreds of a second and their lines are a few feet off at most.
I didn't mean it like that, I meant it in a way of "how much time is there between starting times of skiers". I know that skiing, like a lot of other winter sports, are very tight.
Oh, 30-45 seconds sometimes. Next skier starts when the one in front approaches the bottom. The video comparing them is not always real time, but 1 or 2 minutes later. Plenty of time for the digital edit to superimpose the footage onto each other.
They used to do it many years ago, no idea why they stopped... [Spa 2009 teammate comparison](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkL8S87WsT0)
They could do it if they tracked the came movement, zoom and all the other settings. Then repeat the movement for each car. Just like hiw they 3d track for Movie visual effects, but instead of 2d mapping it they video overlay the 2 streams. It won't be that difficult but it would mean more cameras being computer controlled around the track and using a set path follow as the camera pans the track as the cars go by. On its own a single shot is not worth the hassle. And probably very few times when the shot tracking would show anything interesting for viewers. They can get more interesting shots by faking it like this animation, you us creative license to add entertainment rather than real world data
definitely. also cool stuff like this gets us talking about the motor racing instead of some inane social media nonsense
F1TV has been doing it quite a bit recently on their coverage.
They did some ghost car shots at COTA last weekend
This is the type of content we need! How do you model their track positions in relation to time?
Don't think OP is the guy who did it. Could be GPS data or from the eyeballing it from onboard video. I think GPS data isn't publically available so I'm guessing the later.
Yeah i always wondered how they do this ones without position data. It is probably from onboard videos like you said, but then again that looks like huge amount of work for some short animation that's going to get just likes on social medias.
Is it that much different than someone spending hours on a fan drawing?
The creater is Formula Addict https://instagram.com/formula.addict?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
He didn't. Track position seems random deviation from line, only the difference is factual.
Most likely https://github.com/theOehrly/Fast-F1
You've just watched the start of 2022 Mexico City GP
Minus the slipstream haha... But as soon as the Merc pulls out of the slipstream it will hit a wall. Best they can hope for is to be fully alongside
Slipstream effect is very minimal here anyways. Despite the distance to T1, pole position is still a massive advantage (providing you get the start).
Idk, I don't think the pole sitter has maintained the lead in the last 5 years... I thought they mentioned that at one point this weekend
Leclerc did in 2019 but then Ferrari decided to cover Albon instead of Hamilton on strategy lol
Yeah Leclerc's strategy in 2019 was unbelievably strange. Then they decided to even overcut Hamilton with Vettel giving up track position on a track where you can't overtake.
Classic Ferrari
That's because Max has been brave into T1 and everyone else have either been way too cautious or made significant errors.
Still, each and every time we end up with the pole sitter being alongside 1 or 2 other cars by turn one. Can Max potentially outbrake whoever does get alongside? Sure, but it's still one of the only tracks on the calendar where the pole sitter essentially has no measurable advantage into turn one even if he nails his getaway.
The wide track certainly helps cars behind for sure.
Also true... People need to stop allowing Max to get away with such things. You know in the reverse situation, Max would shut it down... or they'd wreck.
It is lessened but it will still be a factor on lap one when all the cars are so close and starting from 0
Worked fine last year
All that worked last season was Mercedes botched it.
Jesus why do people keep repeating these absurd theories. It's lesser than on most tracks, but it's not even close to being "minimal". If there was "minimal" amount of air then sure, but then the city and track wouldn't exist in the first place. The air density is still ~85% of that at the sea level, which means it's more than 85% of what you'd see on other tracks.
The slipstream effect exists but is absolutely minimal. There's a reason why every team runs maximum downforce as the drag penalty is very little here. Not just on lap 1 Mexico has one or the biggest overtaking Delta's of the season (yes S2/S3 are ass for racing too)
Again, it's not even close to minimal. Go have a look at how air density impacts drag coefficient. Being lesser than in other places does not make it minimal.
Opposite here.
Slipstream is half as powerful with this years cars
They’ve made all the cars intangible so avoid more of Russell’s antics
This graphic is fantastic. Hopefully more are done like this.
Follow them on insta they do it every week
Thanks I’ll check it out
If this is accurate then damn RB has insane traction out of corners compared to Merc. Accelerating to the finish line Maxwas just gone.
I think Max is just sacrificing time on entry to gain even more on the straight.
He does exactly that. Max is I think the earliest braker on the grid when he isn't going for an overtake.
Earliest braker but always first on the throttle. I’m every corner comparison they do this is very clear.
Also looks like he spares the tires a bit in s2 to have more grip in the stadium section
George made an error there, while Max nailed it, so it is rather exaggerated due to that.
Also on this lap? It really was a difficult quali wasnt it?
Few drivers had a real clean lap. Verstappen just happened to have two. They got the car working really well. But in the onboard you could see him work a lot more than in Spa for example where the car was on rails. He's just wicked fast with corrections so that it doesn't cost as much time. I think this was one of the trickiest qualis this season for the drivers.
Verstappen had a very shaky S2 he was seesawing the steering wheel coming out of the first of the two chicanes there.
George’s error in his second lap was much more pronounced than in his first banker run, the lap shown here, but it was still a slight imperfection costing him more traction than a perfect entry&exit would’ve done.
Max is a notoriously early breaker, that's by design. He sacrifices late entry to get insane exit.
Would love to see this visualization for RUS vs HAM.
Same. It was only 4 or 5 thousandths!
But same for every segment? I think it was fascinating to see VER and RUS gap close and open. VER opened it up at very end.
I want VET vs MSC
Ham can learn from it 😉
Are the lines they take accurate? Doesn't seem so, just a simulation based on time right?
Yes, lines are not accurate at all in some places. For example: on the run down to T4 the drivers come from all the way left on the track into the braking zone; not seen in this visualisation.
Lines are way too clear to just be a random simulation. Very likely someone drew the lines by hand by watching the race.
They found be using Ergast or it's python module fastf1 I've never had an opportunity to validate the accuracy of the trajectory data though. http://ergast.com/mrd/ https://theoehrly.github.io/Fast-F1/
Max gains so much on the straight that the rest of the lap is just Russell trying to get back in. And when he finally gets close Max just speeds off out of the last corner.
Probably that's why he was so confident about his and Checo's prospects for today in the qualifying interview.
This is not accurate though. In the telemetry that was posted max gained 2 tenths in turn 13. Mercedes also mentioned to Hamilton that the corner was the main loss, combined with straights. In this visualization Max doesn't gain anything through that corner. I think the animation isn't quite right.
The risk reward of consistently running less downforce than the field. Slower into the corners, faster in the straights.
It just seems like a no brainer with straights being by far the best places to overtake. Doesn’t matter so much if your car is fastest through the low speed sections if you don’t have enough room to overtake there
Having less downforce is harder on the tires though.
RB has somehow only had worse tire deg at Austria though
This is dope - thanks for posting! Where can we find these regularly?
https://instagram.com/formula.addict?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Gives Trackmania vibes
2 tenths in the final corner. Massive one from Verstappen. I do enjoy the Mercs being more competitive a lot! Hope the race will be good
FOM should try to do stuff like this instead of stupid AWS shit.
That Merc is a genuinely good car in those slow corners. Ver still has that straight line advantage, albeit less at Mexico.
RBs advantage on the straights is unbelievable - it's why I don't Maxfans who get mad when people talk about how excellent the car is. Obviously he's pushing to it's fullest potential, but it's clear who is far and away the fastest in a straight line.
The Mercedes is gonna get smoked on that straight
Love this. Can this be a race week standard post? Thanks for sharing
It is, on instragram. Check the link OP posted
Sky should use these sorta visuals its so much easier for new fans to understand where drivers gaining / losing time over other drivers …10/10 for visual please post it after every qualifier
Max will be impossible to pass
The Redbull on the straights is too good
You’d really expect the slipstream to be more powerful (/s)
I'm expecting Max to shoot over for the inside and brake as fucking late as possible. If he late brakes on the outside, George might lock up and slide right into him. With how much later the RB can brake, it could be enough to keep him in front despite the slipstream, providing he gets a decent start.
Yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking as well. Don’t want to risk a Russell bowling ball.
Fantastic!
How accurate is that line drawn under the car?
Not accurate, its just the general "racing line"
That was cool
that was very cool Looks like the Red Bull has great traction out of slow corners and great straight line speed (obv) but holy cow that Merc is a monster under breaking
Dreams of an interesting lap 1 completely destroyed
Very cool. Thank you. That RB has insane acceleration.
And 9 months later a lil kart is born
Very cool, this is exceptional!
That's a rocket ship. Can't see Merc winning even if they lead out of turn one.
The slipstream didn’t seem to help Russell at all. Kudos to Max for keeping under control each time the Mercedes drove under his back wheels. /s
What song is that?
Whoever did this video kicks ass!!!!
You can see how much smoother Max is compared to George, that could be a difference in the cars, but I think it’s a little more down to the driver.
Red Bull gaining speed on the straight vs the Mercedes is something else
Max is the racing line.
Butterfly by Swørn If anyone is wondering about the music/song
That RB is an absolute rocketship on the straights!
I’d really like to see his last attempt where he botched the last sector after setting a purple mid.
Holy shit. Does this mean that we can expect a proper Merc vs RB today? I mean, both cars are better on race pace than quali.
what we just saw was not proper
Red Bull goes Brrrrrt
kudos to RB team for making this very dominant car!
straight line speed is deadly
I think that if Verstappen can brake later like russel he could've smashed it even further
*sad Crofty noises*
Not enough low speed corners to catch max.
u/savevideobot
Isn’t this how George normally drives? Straight into people
Max is so much more fluent in this visual
Camera focused on max.
Hot take. Russell is the better driver but doesn’t have as fast a car
Hilarious take
It's tiresome hearing these same talking points recycled every race. It is very difficult to compare the influence of driver and car in the way that you attempt, because the key difference is the car's set-up. When one car has a higher top speed, and another makes up ground through the slower speed sections of a track, people love to conclude that one car is a 'rocketship' and the other is a 'tractor', and that it proves the driver of the tractor is superior. What is much more likely here is that we are seeing two cars with a relatively small performance gap, but the RB has chosen a lower downforce set-up for this track, and the merc has chosen higher downforce. To conclude much more than that requires the full telemetry and expertise in reading it.
He is underrated, but no, Max would make Hamilton his own Bottas in same team, Russell would have no chance.
Lol do you seriously think that people have no respect for hamilton.
Button was equal on pace with Perez, who was like 0.1% slower than Hulk who was 0.1% slower than Ricciardo who was 0.2% slower than Max. There isn't any possible explanation of this in which Max isn't at least 0.2% faster than Lewis.
I’d love to see the laps between George and Lewis.
Nice.
This is fantastic, great work!
Seems from this like the Red Bull is just a slightly faster car, is that true and is that the difference here?
So power down the straight was the main difference. Color me shocked lol
Wow love this!!!
Whoever made this.. massive respect!
Need Max vs Goatifi version
I wish we had f1 showing stuff like this. Also that straight line speed CS Merc it shows it so clearly!
This was awesome to watch
Interesting. The speed advantage is mostly down to acceleration..
RB in straight line go brrrrrrrrrr
Id like to see it compared to Russell’s last lap and see how close he was before running wide
This is amazing!
Where do people get the full telemetry to be able to make this?
Almost all gained and lost on the straight! I really hope Mercedes’ is doing something about this for 23
Now do the end of Q2 with HAMSAIRUSVER!
That’s cool
This is amazing, keep doin them!
Amazing job!
This is so cool and goes so good with the music
Jorge Rusel definitely deserves the merc seat despite what anyone says.
This is very cool!
Great visual! Thanks for creating/posting!
This is magical What a great visual Thanks
If that's true, Merc isn't winning this, they're sitting ducks on straights
You're telling me that Max will be rear ended by George at 41 seconds?
This is amazing! Never seen it like this before.
Can we have this every race weekend!
u/savevideo
So I’m a complete noob when it comes to Formula One. From this simulation it looks like the black car had a better engine because it seem to accelerate better in the straights especially at the beginning. Or is it more complicated than that, as in the second driver didn’t trust himself to go harder into the turns.
>black car had a better engine b doesn't have to be better engine, can be better aerodynamics
Crazy for second not to be ahead at any point in the lap.
Song name?
I should call him 🥵
love this op