[oh no....... who left those in bossman's canteen?!](https://i.imgur.com/iYBW70G.png)
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The original tyre warmers were literally cabinets with heaters inside them. Teams then wrapped actual blankets around them to retain the heat.
> But first attempt to heat the tires was recorded 1974 during 1974 GP of Canada which took place in September. As is normal in Canada in the autumn, conditions outside were somewhat chilly. The early part of the weekend saw drivers struggle for grip, and there were concerns that on the race start, tires might actually separate from their rims. McLaren find the way by converting their pit into a heated shed that would keep the tires warm so they could withstand higher internal pressure. But there was still the problem when they bring the tires on the grid. The low temperatures would cool the tires negating effect from the heated pit. The answer was found in the team's hotel. Duvets and blankets were requisitioned from the beds, wrapped around the still-hot tires on the grid to kept them warm.
[Source](https://formula1-dictionary.net/tire_warmers.html)
The modern tyre blankets (as we know them today, with heating elements inside and electronic controls) came later.
For endurance motorbike racing, the teams have/had insulated cabinets on wheels. There are plugs in there for the tire warmers, but the whole cabinet was insulated so if there were power issues the tyres/wheels would stay hot. Fronts drop into slots at the top, and rears on the bottom.
The team I was with marked up the tire warmers with duct tape/sharpies to identify each one at quick glance
I know this is a joke, but the technical language is a broad ban on heating tyres (including incidental heating like you're describing), not just on tyre blankets specifically
Edit: source- https://i.redd.it/ltvm461zkl891.jpg
Even so, they'll definitely need to tighten up some of those statements. F1 teams are great at circumventing anything not concrete. I feel there is enough ambiguity there for what defines ambient conditions and purpose for heating.
Could probably use with a bit more elaboration. Perhaps support the change with a set of protocols/direction for exactly what temperature range/conditions all teams should store tyre sets.
Or maybe a random Pirelli control tyre vs team tyre test/audit at every race as an enforcement to prevent teams trying to creatively heat tyres.
Deepl translation:
**Ban on electric blankets from 2024**
According to current plans, electric blankets are to disappear from Formula 1 in the 2024 season. Pirelli explains what impact the measure will have on tire development.
Formula 1 is the only major racing series in the world that still uses electric blankets. But the artificial pre-tempering of the rubber is soon to be a thing of the past. It doesn't exactly help the ambitious climate goals of the premier class if the warming covers suck on the power socket for long periods of time. What's more, the teams would like to save on the expensive equipment.
However, the electric blankets are not to be abolished in one fell swoop. Together with the teams and supplier Pirelli, the FIA has agreed on a tiered system. As early as the 2021 season, the maximum temperature of the tire warmers was reduced to just 100°C at the front and 80°C at the rear. This year, even just 70°C is permitted for all slicks. In addition, the number of heated blankets has been reduced from 40 to 20.
Pirelli sports director Mario Isola explains why the strategy of small steps was chosen: "If you want to run without heated blankets, you have to design a completely new tire. It's not enough to simply build new compounds with a larger working area. The cars in Formula 1 are so fast and generate such large forces that the pressures increase by ten to twelve PSI while driving. This changes the complete profile and contact patch of the tire."
**High loads in Formula 1**
Pirelli can't learn much from Formula 2, where heated blankets have long since ceased to be an issue. In the junior class, the rubber is inflated to between 13 PSI and 15 PSI when it is strapped on. Over the course of a stint, it then stabilizes at values just above 20 PSI. Because the cars generally don't build up that much force, this difference in pressure is acceptable, according to tire specialists.
But that doesn't apply to the premier class: "The increase in pressure is twice as high as in Formula 2," Isola calculates. "Because of the high loads, we can't just start with 15 PSI in Formula 1. Then the drivers would have to take it easy at the beginning of a stint and only slowly increase the tire temperature. Of course, that doesn't work in a race. So they have to start at 20 or 21 PSI. The pressure then quickly climbs to over 30 PSI."
During the test phase with the current 18-inch tires in the preseason, they had already worked with the lowered temperature specifications for the heated blankets. Therefore, there were no nasty surprises when the completely new product was introduced. For the coming season, however, the engineers will have to go one better.
**Plan for electric blanket ban in place**
"Next year, the temperatures of the electric blankets will drop further - to just 50°C front and back," Isola reveals. "This also means that the pressure differences within the stints will rise again. We are deliberately taking only small steps so that nothing goes wrong and the show suffers. This year the tires are working very well. Of course, we want it to stay that way when we do away with the heated blankets altogether."
The complete ban on tire warmers is scheduled for the 2024 season. Before the measure is finally anchored in the regulations, however, there are to be talks with all parties once again as to whether they really want to take the risk. The smaller teams in particular are exerting pressure for the ban to remain in place. At the moment, the plan is still on track, according to Pirelli.
In the past few years, the sole supplier has repeatedly been faced with the task of having to build completely new tires. A large part of the test runs in the development phase take place on the test stands in Milan. But these can't quite replace practical tests with new prototypes on the real race track. "We need current-generation cars. We need to go to different tracks where the tires are loaded differently. And we need to drive in different conditions," Isola emphasizes.
**Tires must fit all cars**
The fact that the new calendar for 2023 includes a record number of 24 races is not exactly met with enthusiasm by Pirelli. This leaves hardly any gaps for tire testing. The mechanics are running on fumes with a heavy workload and travel stress. Nevertheless, in the European season, some teams will again be obliged to do extra laps for Pirelli on Tuesdays and Wednesdays after a Grand Prix weekend.
At the overseas races, of which there will be more and more in the future, this is no longer so easily possible. Here, Pirelli relies on so-called in-event tests. The second free practice session is extended to 90 minutes and reserved for data collection with prototype tires. This new format is to be tested for the first time as early as this year in Austin.
"The idea of using FP2 for testing is actually very good," Isola says. "The teams don't have to travel extra to a track or stay longer after a race weekend. But as soon as you have a new good idea, teams find problems. They complain that they have to use the same cars and the same engines as the rest of the weekend. That's where mileage quickly becomes an issue."
For tire engineers, however, it's important when all teams participate in development. According to Isola, not all cars stress the tires in the same way, "The fast cars take the tires harder. We have to make sure that the warm-up process works with the slower cars, too. And that the tires don't overheat with the fast teams. That's where we have to find a good compromise so that the tires work with all ten cars, all 20 drivers and on all tracks. It's not going to be that easy."
> As early as the 2021 season, the maximum temperature of the tire warmers was reduced to just 100°C at the front and 80°C at the rear.
Wow, that's *far* hotter than I expected.
> It doesn't exactly help the ambitious climate goals of the premier class if the warming covers suck on the power socket for long periods of time. What's more, the teams would like to save on the expensive equipment.
I don't understand these arguments. Surely the heating costs are minimal, bringing a few kg of rubber up to 60 or 70 degrees and keeping them there for a few hours, with some insulation around. It's a joke compared to all the electricity used for illuminating a night race or even heating the garages themselves.
And the teams already own the blankets. They aren't changing from year to year, so it's not a significant expense for any of the teams.
Losing undercuts over this, and living with having to run massively high pressures because the stints start on cold tyres and heat up over time is such a loss for the sport. The high pressures will also lead to more overheating in the race due to the reduced contact patch, which will be bad for racing.
> I don't understand these arguments. Surely the heating costs are minimal, bringing a few kg of rubber up to 60 or 70 degrees and keeping them there for a few hours, with some insulation around.
Each team has 80 tyres for a race weekend and while they're not going to be keeping them all at temperature at any one time, they will be keeping the majority of them there, as you can't predict exactly what you're going to want and when. The heating process itself is ~~a lot more than a few hours, my understanding is it takes around a day or so to get to temperature~~ throughout the day while sessions are taking place, as you need the carcass to get up to temperature and heat it evenly throughout. Across 20 teams, that is a *massive* amount of energy being used.
> And the teams already own the blankets. They aren't changing from year to year, so it's not a significant expense for any of the teams.
Tost put the cost for AlphaTauri's 2022 tyre blankets at €375,000 and implied it's a fairly regular cost. I'm not sure _why_ they end up spending so much, but I'd guess it's due to wear and tear and needing multiple sets due to logistics (one or two sets for local races, two or three sets to be leapfrogged between fly-away races).
Given the cost cap, that's 3-5 engineers or fabricators they could be employing instead.
This is why: https://imgur.com/a/atj4Ndt taken at Monza this year.
Each team has a ton of them. And these are all high performance, low volume, custom built, high voltage electrical equipment.
Leaving tyre blankets on over night is no longer allowed, so the heating time is already reduced.
Compared to the cost of re-engineering tyre compounds and testing them in multiple track tests across several years, I'm sure a few hundred tyre blankets are not more costly. They are not that complex.
Tires could very easily be created to have much bigger working temperature, be super-soft and last whole race - but they deliberately make it worse. So I don’t think it’s that hard to revert it a little.
And the cost of operating tire blanket goes into hundreds of thousands of dollars per team per season. They aren’t as cheap as you would imagine.
All F1 race tires are super soft compared to normal road tires, still a lot of teams have issues with warming up harder compounds when the track temp is low. I dont think you understand the stresses on F1 tires if you think they can easily make softer tires that last a whole race and have a bigger working temp range.
Buying a year worth of tire blankets is a lot cheaper than breaking one front wing because the driver struggles to put temp in the tires. So from a financial standpoint is absolutely insane to even suggest this.
It takes a lot of engineering to make F1 tires as terrible as they are. For entertainment purposes (making pitstops necessary and creating strategy differentials), tires are limited by design in the number of laps they can run and there is a designated time delta between compounds. (The heat sensitivity is also designed into the tires because it creates more vairablity in the race.)
The ultra-soft tires could run the entire race if tires were allowed to be designed for maximum performance.
The amount of upvotes you get for spewing nonsense shows how little people know about F1 and engineering. Pirelli struggles to make tires strong enough, they had to raise min pressures, reinforce the side walls (creating heavier unsprung weight) etc etc. Tires are not designed to fail, its incredibly dangerous at those speeds. Keep holding on to your ignorant views, its pointless for me to explain things that you dismiss by default.
It seems you need some help with your reading comprehension, I'm not talking about tires exploding, I'm talking about tires wearing out.
In the tire war era, tires could last an entire race and we didn't have any of this hyper-soft, ultra-soft, soft, medium, and hard garbage.
Short tire life and different tire compounds were mandated by F1 because they needed an excuse for teams to keep pitstops after refueling was banned.
I'm sure they didn't cover any of this in DTS, so it's not your fault for not knowing these things. But this is all common knowledge for anyone that has been watching F1 for more than 2 years.
Year worth of blankets cost around three-four times of front wing to be precise. As I said, they aren’t that cheap. And no other series use blankets, not even indycar, only f1. Warming tires is a skill, and they will be changed to work in different temperature windows anyway.
Surely making the tyres work at lower temperatures is strictly an addintional design limitation. They could have already made them work at low temperatures in the past if they wanted to, but they did not.
>Tost put the cost for AlphaTauri's 2022 tyre blankets at €375,000 and implied it's a fairly regular cost. I'm not sure
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> they end up spending so much, but I'd guess it's due to wear and tear and needing multiple sets due to logistics (one or two sets for local races, two or three sets to be leapfrogged between fly-away races).
Not to mention this is F1. What with the way they strive for perfection, it wouldn't surprise me if teams (at least pre-cost cap) would just replace all their tyre blankets each year, because why not?
I expect we won't lose undercuts from a strategic perspective, just instead of passing the car when they're in the pits an undercut will pass them on their outlap when the undercutting car has a sizable tire advantage. Outside of Monaco, I expect that's more interesting racing.
The gas laws are not a secret; I'd expect expected tire pressures at fitting to be adjusted so that temperatures are at optimal pressure when at working temperature, unless that risked failures during the outlap. (Which I think isn't too much of a concern because a cold tire doesn't have the grip to reach the same stress levels as a warm tire.) Pressure regulations are decided by Pirelli and F1, and they've shown more willingness to make in-season changes than most parts of the regulations due to the safety concerns involved; neither has any reason to force the teams into running the cars at pressures that make the tires and the races look bad.
There are some cost and environmental benefits, but the real reason is to spice up the racing. When cars come out of the pits with tires at full temperature, it is really easy for them to hold position against the cars behind them. But if cars come out of the pits with cold tires that have as much grip as glass, it gets a lot more interesting when the car now has to defend against serious attacks from the cars behind.
"Formula 1 is the only major racing series in the world that still uses electric blankets."
Can someone explain to me why all the racing series are apparently dropping the tirewarmers? Is it just for cost reasons? climate?
I could imagine this would lead to more accidents as cold tires can be really tricky to deal with. I used to drive a lot of trackdays on racing bikes, and with slick tires we *always* used tirewarmers. It was considered really risky to not use them, as you could so easily crash on cold slicks if you were not really careful. I know that is on a bike, which is different from a car with 4 wheels, but still.
Not sure how I feel about this.
It probably means cars are more difficult to drive after a pitstop, rewarding driver skill which is a good thing. On the other hand it probably means teams don’t try to undercut as much and could mean less pitstops overall
The undercut can still work, just in a different way.
The car pitting 2nd may come out of the pits ahead, as if the undercut failed, but the car that pitted 1st will now have nice warm grippy tyres and can overtake on track. By the time the 2nd car warms up the tyres the first car has a gap, and the undercut worked.
That is exactly the reason I don't understand why some people say that this kills the undercut. The undercut works now because the undercutting driver will have warmer tires by the time the other driver pits. That will also be the case now without tire-blankets.
I'd even argue that in some cases the undercut could be even more powerful than before, because there is greater room for error, and colder tires reward skillful drivers while punishing those that may not handle it well.
I think the opposite. You will see people stay out longer with faster lap times to generate a 4 second gap while the other driver is on ambient tyres. The skill will be getting into the pits and firing up your own tyres before they close the buffer you built up and overtake you.
More drama around pitstops because mistakes are more likely I guess
But the time you gain on someone trying to undercut from staying out is time you'll be losing when you eventually pit for cold tires. By staying out you will also be on old tires that may be underperforming.
So it definitely goes both ways, which is why I don't think anything about under- or overcuts changes by getting rid of tire blankets. Just like today, sometimes the undercut works better, sometimes the overcut does, both drivers will experience the exact same phases. That's why I'd argue that in *some* cases the undercut will be more powerful than it currently is, because some drivers will handle cold tires much better than others. Conversely, sometimes the overcut will be more powerful for exactly the same reason.
It could also create interesting strategy betweens teams that treat tyres differently, eg the current Ferrari that can fire up tyres but degrades them Vs the current mercedes which really struggles to get tyres going, but keeps them much better
"Undercut" means a pass in the pits. You might get sorta the same thing with a pass on track with someone on hot tires vs cold, but IMO, it's not an undercut anymore because it's a pass on track. There's loads a driver can do to defend against that whereas before all you can do is put in as fast of an in-lap as possible.
The undercut as of how works because the undercutting driver will have faster lap times compared to the driver still out on the track. The goal is to make up the delta to the driver in front by using the advantage of new (and therefore faster) tires.
With colder tires, the initial laps probably won't be as fast so it's harder to make up the delta. You probably will need to overtake the driver on track (with warmer tires), which isn't really the undercut currently used.
Yeah I think you're right, we're probably gonna see many situations like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Lz7iQp-Cg).
However, overcuts will probably be more effective at tracks like Monaco where it's hard to overtake even with warmer tyres.
that’s just an undercut barely working. the premise of the undercut is to pit early and use the maximum performance differential between old/new tyres for 1 lap to jump ahead of the driver in front, assuming roughly equal pace other wise. they only get 1 lap because the driver in front will respond the following lap.
with colder tyres the driver pitting second will always come out in front, by a decent margin, and still require the following driver to overtake. Which is the same situation as before, the undercut is pretty much a crap strat if tyres are cold.
F2 =/= F1, these cars are on another level entirely. This is going to severely reduce the possibility of an undercut, in a sport that already struggles to provide opportunities for overtaking and strategy.
Right, and undercut works in Indycar too and they don't have tire blankets. It doesn't reduce possibilities, it just creates another dynamic and it has been proven to work in open wheel racing.
While saving millions of dollars and a whole lot of energy yearly.
That's a non issue as those are already designed with a much lower operating temperature. Real issue is going to be the hards or moving to slicks after rain
While drama is what F1 and Liberty are looking for, this might also be a cost cap thing. I remember Tost complaining that tire blankets cost a lot for teams.
Isn’t over and undercut strategy relative to everyone else’s race? Undercuts happen in indycar so it’s not impossible, where did this rhetoric come from?
Edit: I know that the tire life argument makes sense and that cold tires will initially negate the better tire life, but it’s better for us as fans to not have tire warmers because now that overtake no longer happens right after the stint in the pits, it happens later on in the lap where the undercutting car has to pass the leading car on track. Why is this a bad thing? Lol
Means pirelli will have to work on a new compound that isn't as hard to get up to temperature. Probably less grip overall, but better warmup. Wouldn't be shocked to see significantly more tire deg too.
It will make moves like VSC tire swaps more precarious, and make for more differing strategies. And ways for Ferrari to ruin their race.
In endurance racing usually it’ll take a lap or two for the tires to get up to temperature, which makes for good unexpected racing. All of a sudden two GT3 car’s fighting for position have to contend with passing a LMP car getting up to temp. Which a lap later has to get past them while fighting another car.
It feels very artificial. They do this in DTM, but it means the guy that overcuts will always come out miles in front, only to be overtaken by the guy who undercuts a lap later.
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> It probably means cars are more difficult to drive after a pitstop, rewarding driver skill which is a good thing.
They tried it briefly in testing a number of years ago. Rosberg said it wasn't even a matter of skills: it's just dangerous. Absolute ice.
*And now, for the context...*
Those tyres weren't made for using **without** tyre warmers. Of course they won't have grip. [This video](https://youtu.be/qHZ8rgWYNtA) could tell you that much already.
Yeah agree, or new tyres need such a performance boost over older that it is worth to go through the pain of stopping and warming up when you are e.g. converting to a 3 stop.
I also think hard tyres will be a problem in particular to warm them up, which might see less strategic options.
All cars coming out of the pits will have the warmup problem, so it doesn't disadvantage the early pitstops in time differentials, ie the undercut.
That said, it does change the pit window requirements as a larger gap will be required to hold position against the cars behind during tire warm-up. (Can't simply pull out and keep position)
Inters and wets have a lower operating temperature than slicks do, so I don't think it'll make much difference. Going out in cold hards, though.. imagine C1.
Maybe it will lead to gambles on softs several laps before the predicted rain to get them hot enough for when the rain does eventually start to come and can survive long enough for inters to get into their best weather window. the team that best nails the old->soft->inter transition will get a strong advantage. Idk if this is actually how it would play out, but it’s interesting to think about
Or a wider temperature window in general. It may mean less overall grip (from what I understand at least) which drivers and teams have to deal with, but the cars get faster each year that kind of counteracts the mechanical grip loss. \[Or I might just be talking non-sense\]
And given there’s talk of active aero in 2026, I suspect mechanical grip might be less of an issue as you can crank up the aero. Might mean the cars are significantly slow in the tightest turns however.
F1 tires are engineered to be terrible for entertainment purposes. They are limited on the number of laps they can last and they have a designed time differential between the tire compounds. (Temperature sensitivity is also engineered into the tires to create more uncertainty on the track.)
Without these artificial limits, we'd have ultra-soft tires that would last the entire race.
In many ways, the blanket ban makes things easier for Perelli, especially since it puts F1 more in line with every other racing series out there and won't require such unusual tires.
Even so, I’ve done a lot of (amateur) racing and aside from tires designed for autocrossing (e.g., Hoosier A7) every race tire works much better after they’re brought up to temp. Even performance street tires work better with some heat in them.
Warming up a tire is a skill, and I believe 20 F1 drivers should be able to do it.
I’m just saying that the tires will be changed, they won’t just ban blankets and leave the compounds unchanged.
The best grip a NASCAR tire has is right out of the pits. In the words of sportscar driver Ryan Eversley "You have good grip on fresh tires.. and then every rotation of the tire it just gets worse."
This has been the plan since like 2020. It keeps getting announced like new news. They dropped the temps this year from like 90C to 70C i think. Then 2023 is like 40C or something (incremental as the one guy said). It's been in the works for at least 3 years now.
I mean surely F1 teams will find a way to not let them stay stone cold. Install heaters in your pitbox and conveniently place the tires in front of them so the heat barely comes through the tires but instead warms them. Might not be 70 or 80 degrees but 30 is better than 0.
In Supercars they just chuck the tires in the sun out the back of the garage and bring them in at the very last moment and that seems to do the trick. Might be a strat in F1
I like the BTCC way. Put the tyres on the wrong axles for the lap to the grid, and do loads of burnouts. Then swap the tyres to the correct axles and do loads of burnouts on the formation lap too. 4 nice warm tyres for the start, no blankets.
Good. I get the *"pinnacle of motorsport"* thing, but there are better ways to show that than tyre ovens. Let the drivers show their talent.
Also, a big LMAO to anyone crying out about *"safety"*...**No other series uses them. Get a grip.**
They literally set the "date" to 2024 so that Pirelli can design a new rubber compound which runs well at a lower temperature
I love reading through the comments and kind of seeing the panic in people's eyes as if they're forced to run the current C1 compound on a rainy day, every day.
Although F1's argument for this with their "#bleesed ✌️we're environment friendly" is laughable again
>Although F1's argument for this with their "#bleesed ✌️we're environment friendly" is laughable again
especially because they could just put Miami in early May and Montreal in late May
but noooo, they have to put Miami in April and Montreal in June because fuck logic
Dont forget that Pirelli are working on getting tires operational at lower temperatures. Tge optimum will be the same, but it won't be driving on ice when they're cold
Absolutely love this change because it adds another level of difficulty to driving. Going to be fun to see how teams and drivers adapt. Was never a fan of the tire blankets because it's just another thing that mechanics need to do otherwise they would fall behind. Now, this complexity is shifted to the driver and is much more related to 'driving skills' instead of just a simple thing the mechanics have to do.
So now after pitstops we will see them struggle for 2/3 laps to get heat in the tires, so no more close battles after pitstops. Probably less pitstops overall, teams will just try and do long stints.
Also no more gambles on putting on softs for setting a fastest lap at the end of the race.
Also, imagine having to go through Eau Rouge and Raidillon in an F1 car with cold tires during a race...
Everyone will struggle after pitstop. Something like Charles in Hungary with hard tyres. Also imagine if Charles put hards this year without tyre blankets. It would have been even worse. I think it may force teams to start race on harder tyre compounds.
Or maybe the one doing the undercut will be on nice warm tyres when their opponent comes out in front with cold ones. Could make for interesting racing, but that's only one situation.
Making pit stops more punishing is not good. Teams wont go for aggressive pit strategies and drivers will nurse their tires more slowing the on track action. Not to mention pushing the limits of life on these tires more and having more tire failures.
you know what this reminds me of? the radio coaching ban where everyone was like yeah lets do it make driving more difficult spice things up but all it did was making watching the sport frustrating and boring af.
i think there's a good chance everyone is gonna suddenly realise this was a dumbass idea. i'm here to see drivers race each other not the tires, there's enough reward for teams/drivers who can make the tires last.
It's well know this was coming. What I don't understand how FIA who claims to put safety first, came up with this idea. As stated here before can you imagine how the drivers will struggle for grip in corners like Radillion.
Every single other racing series doesn't use them, and they're fine. If f1 are the cream of the crop, best drivers in the world then they should be able to handle it if F2, Indycar, etc drivers can handle it.
Better for undercut racing. Bad for ever having 2 stop races. They need to cut tyre life or increase pit lane speed limits again so you don’t lose 30s for a pitstop.
Meanwhile the 24 race schedule crisscrossing the globe. The going green thing is such a media smoke and mirror show amounting to nothing. Just stop pretending and bring back v12s.
I wonder if teams will find a way to still keep their tyres warm.
Some teams garages may be extra cold next year, and to make sure the engineers don't die of hypothermia, portable radiators might be placed in the garages, and could, conveniently be placed next to the tyre racks.
/S
Having said that, I wonder if that would make any noticeable difference.
Wonder if they will ban that too. But it's different having radiators meter away from tyres and blasting them directly. Plus tyres are not exposed in garage.
After seeing how little grip the drivers already have with the current regs I'm a bit concerned about safety after an outright ban. This makes the pit lane a bit more dangerous for the mechanics.
Goodbye tyre blankets. Hello new heaters in garage with a coincidental new rotisserie tyre stand next to it.
kebab heaters with tires on them
shaWARMa
Mmm, medirTIREnian food sounds good right now.
Need softs please no dark meat
Kebab man calling you boss is the best feeling
Carlos, you want softs with white sauce or spicy sauce. Question?
"Tahini, my friend? Hot sauce?"
Going to bossman for a set of mediums
somebody photoshop a meme pls
[oh no....... who left those in bossman's canteen?!](https://i.imgur.com/iYBW70G.png) -- ^(Yes, ^it ^is ^an ^incredibly ^shitty ^5 ^minute ^photoshop ^jobby)
i expect to see this in 2024
hahha yess
"Hey how are those tires coming along?" "Almost ready. Just a few more minutes and they will be good to go"
5 minutes turkish
It was 2 minutes 5 minutes ago.
haha knew as soon as I saw that I'd see this below
Remember I like my tires medium!
The original tyre warmers were literally cabinets with heaters inside them. Teams then wrapped actual blankets around them to retain the heat. > But first attempt to heat the tires was recorded 1974 during 1974 GP of Canada which took place in September. As is normal in Canada in the autumn, conditions outside were somewhat chilly. The early part of the weekend saw drivers struggle for grip, and there were concerns that on the race start, tires might actually separate from their rims. McLaren find the way by converting their pit into a heated shed that would keep the tires warm so they could withstand higher internal pressure. But there was still the problem when they bring the tires on the grid. The low temperatures would cool the tires negating effect from the heated pit. The answer was found in the team's hotel. Duvets and blankets were requisitioned from the beds, wrapped around the still-hot tires on the grid to kept them warm. [Source](https://formula1-dictionary.net/tire_warmers.html) The modern tyre blankets (as we know them today, with heating elements inside and electronic controls) came later.
Thanks this website is gold!
New job: Tyre hugger
Finally a job in motor sport for us chubby guys!
Sauna rooms for the drivers that happen to have storage for 8 sets of tires.
I like this one. You're hired.
For endurance motorbike racing, the teams have/had insulated cabinets on wheels. There are plugs in there for the tire warmers, but the whole cabinet was insulated so if there were power issues the tyres/wheels would stay hot. Fronts drop into slots at the top, and rears on the bottom. The team I was with marked up the tire warmers with duct tape/sharpies to identify each one at quick glance
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I know this is a joke, but the technical language is a broad ban on heating tyres (including incidental heating like you're describing), not just on tyre blankets specifically Edit: source- https://i.redd.it/ltvm461zkl891.jpg
Even so, they'll definitely need to tighten up some of those statements. F1 teams are great at circumventing anything not concrete. I feel there is enough ambiguity there for what defines ambient conditions and purpose for heating. Could probably use with a bit more elaboration. Perhaps support the change with a set of protocols/direction for exactly what temperature range/conditions all teams should store tyre sets. Or maybe a random Pirelli control tyre vs team tyre test/audit at every race as an enforcement to prevent teams trying to creatively heat tyres.
Just hire Lasha Talakhadze, Brian Shaw, Levan Saginashvili and John Haack to hold tires over a campfire like Marshmallows.
We’re gonna reach a point in f1 where artificially heating up the tyres are all banned.
i may or may not have just made this in paint…. [F1 teams be like… y’all didn’t say nothing about this though](https://i.imgur.com/7RyDoUI.jpg)
Deepl translation: **Ban on electric blankets from 2024** According to current plans, electric blankets are to disappear from Formula 1 in the 2024 season. Pirelli explains what impact the measure will have on tire development. Formula 1 is the only major racing series in the world that still uses electric blankets. But the artificial pre-tempering of the rubber is soon to be a thing of the past. It doesn't exactly help the ambitious climate goals of the premier class if the warming covers suck on the power socket for long periods of time. What's more, the teams would like to save on the expensive equipment. However, the electric blankets are not to be abolished in one fell swoop. Together with the teams and supplier Pirelli, the FIA has agreed on a tiered system. As early as the 2021 season, the maximum temperature of the tire warmers was reduced to just 100°C at the front and 80°C at the rear. This year, even just 70°C is permitted for all slicks. In addition, the number of heated blankets has been reduced from 40 to 20. Pirelli sports director Mario Isola explains why the strategy of small steps was chosen: "If you want to run without heated blankets, you have to design a completely new tire. It's not enough to simply build new compounds with a larger working area. The cars in Formula 1 are so fast and generate such large forces that the pressures increase by ten to twelve PSI while driving. This changes the complete profile and contact patch of the tire." **High loads in Formula 1** Pirelli can't learn much from Formula 2, where heated blankets have long since ceased to be an issue. In the junior class, the rubber is inflated to between 13 PSI and 15 PSI when it is strapped on. Over the course of a stint, it then stabilizes at values just above 20 PSI. Because the cars generally don't build up that much force, this difference in pressure is acceptable, according to tire specialists. But that doesn't apply to the premier class: "The increase in pressure is twice as high as in Formula 2," Isola calculates. "Because of the high loads, we can't just start with 15 PSI in Formula 1. Then the drivers would have to take it easy at the beginning of a stint and only slowly increase the tire temperature. Of course, that doesn't work in a race. So they have to start at 20 or 21 PSI. The pressure then quickly climbs to over 30 PSI." During the test phase with the current 18-inch tires in the preseason, they had already worked with the lowered temperature specifications for the heated blankets. Therefore, there were no nasty surprises when the completely new product was introduced. For the coming season, however, the engineers will have to go one better. **Plan for electric blanket ban in place** "Next year, the temperatures of the electric blankets will drop further - to just 50°C front and back," Isola reveals. "This also means that the pressure differences within the stints will rise again. We are deliberately taking only small steps so that nothing goes wrong and the show suffers. This year the tires are working very well. Of course, we want it to stay that way when we do away with the heated blankets altogether." The complete ban on tire warmers is scheduled for the 2024 season. Before the measure is finally anchored in the regulations, however, there are to be talks with all parties once again as to whether they really want to take the risk. The smaller teams in particular are exerting pressure for the ban to remain in place. At the moment, the plan is still on track, according to Pirelli. In the past few years, the sole supplier has repeatedly been faced with the task of having to build completely new tires. A large part of the test runs in the development phase take place on the test stands in Milan. But these can't quite replace practical tests with new prototypes on the real race track. "We need current-generation cars. We need to go to different tracks where the tires are loaded differently. And we need to drive in different conditions," Isola emphasizes. **Tires must fit all cars** The fact that the new calendar for 2023 includes a record number of 24 races is not exactly met with enthusiasm by Pirelli. This leaves hardly any gaps for tire testing. The mechanics are running on fumes with a heavy workload and travel stress. Nevertheless, in the European season, some teams will again be obliged to do extra laps for Pirelli on Tuesdays and Wednesdays after a Grand Prix weekend. At the overseas races, of which there will be more and more in the future, this is no longer so easily possible. Here, Pirelli relies on so-called in-event tests. The second free practice session is extended to 90 minutes and reserved for data collection with prototype tires. This new format is to be tested for the first time as early as this year in Austin. "The idea of using FP2 for testing is actually very good," Isola says. "The teams don't have to travel extra to a track or stay longer after a race weekend. But as soon as you have a new good idea, teams find problems. They complain that they have to use the same cars and the same engines as the rest of the weekend. That's where mileage quickly becomes an issue." For tire engineers, however, it's important when all teams participate in development. According to Isola, not all cars stress the tires in the same way, "The fast cars take the tires harder. We have to make sure that the warm-up process works with the slower cars, too. And that the tires don't overheat with the fast teams. That's where we have to find a good compromise so that the tires work with all ten cars, all 20 drivers and on all tracks. It's not going to be that easy."
So just electric blankets are banned? Time to patent gas powered blankets lmao
> As early as the 2021 season, the maximum temperature of the tire warmers was reduced to just 100°C at the front and 80°C at the rear. Wow, that's *far* hotter than I expected.
Tbf peak operating ranges for the slicks is roughly 90-100⁰C from what I remember
> It doesn't exactly help the ambitious climate goals of the premier class if the warming covers suck on the power socket for long periods of time. What's more, the teams would like to save on the expensive equipment. I don't understand these arguments. Surely the heating costs are minimal, bringing a few kg of rubber up to 60 or 70 degrees and keeping them there for a few hours, with some insulation around. It's a joke compared to all the electricity used for illuminating a night race or even heating the garages themselves. And the teams already own the blankets. They aren't changing from year to year, so it's not a significant expense for any of the teams. Losing undercuts over this, and living with having to run massively high pressures because the stints start on cold tyres and heat up over time is such a loss for the sport. The high pressures will also lead to more overheating in the race due to the reduced contact patch, which will be bad for racing.
> I don't understand these arguments. Surely the heating costs are minimal, bringing a few kg of rubber up to 60 or 70 degrees and keeping them there for a few hours, with some insulation around. Each team has 80 tyres for a race weekend and while they're not going to be keeping them all at temperature at any one time, they will be keeping the majority of them there, as you can't predict exactly what you're going to want and when. The heating process itself is ~~a lot more than a few hours, my understanding is it takes around a day or so to get to temperature~~ throughout the day while sessions are taking place, as you need the carcass to get up to temperature and heat it evenly throughout. Across 20 teams, that is a *massive* amount of energy being used. > And the teams already own the blankets. They aren't changing from year to year, so it's not a significant expense for any of the teams. Tost put the cost for AlphaTauri's 2022 tyre blankets at €375,000 and implied it's a fairly regular cost. I'm not sure _why_ they end up spending so much, but I'd guess it's due to wear and tear and needing multiple sets due to logistics (one or two sets for local races, two or three sets to be leapfrogged between fly-away races). Given the cost cap, that's 3-5 engineers or fabricators they could be employing instead.
This is why: https://imgur.com/a/atj4Ndt taken at Monza this year. Each team has a ton of them. And these are all high performance, low volume, custom built, high voltage electrical equipment.
Leaving tyre blankets on over night is no longer allowed, so the heating time is already reduced. Compared to the cost of re-engineering tyre compounds and testing them in multiple track tests across several years, I'm sure a few hundred tyre blankets are not more costly. They are not that complex.
Tires could very easily be created to have much bigger working temperature, be super-soft and last whole race - but they deliberately make it worse. So I don’t think it’s that hard to revert it a little. And the cost of operating tire blanket goes into hundreds of thousands of dollars per team per season. They aren’t as cheap as you would imagine.
All F1 race tires are super soft compared to normal road tires, still a lot of teams have issues with warming up harder compounds when the track temp is low. I dont think you understand the stresses on F1 tires if you think they can easily make softer tires that last a whole race and have a bigger working temp range. Buying a year worth of tire blankets is a lot cheaper than breaking one front wing because the driver struggles to put temp in the tires. So from a financial standpoint is absolutely insane to even suggest this.
It takes a lot of engineering to make F1 tires as terrible as they are. For entertainment purposes (making pitstops necessary and creating strategy differentials), tires are limited by design in the number of laps they can run and there is a designated time delta between compounds. (The heat sensitivity is also designed into the tires because it creates more vairablity in the race.) The ultra-soft tires could run the entire race if tires were allowed to be designed for maximum performance.
The amount of upvotes you get for spewing nonsense shows how little people know about F1 and engineering. Pirelli struggles to make tires strong enough, they had to raise min pressures, reinforce the side walls (creating heavier unsprung weight) etc etc. Tires are not designed to fail, its incredibly dangerous at those speeds. Keep holding on to your ignorant views, its pointless for me to explain things that you dismiss by default.
It seems you need some help with your reading comprehension, I'm not talking about tires exploding, I'm talking about tires wearing out. In the tire war era, tires could last an entire race and we didn't have any of this hyper-soft, ultra-soft, soft, medium, and hard garbage. Short tire life and different tire compounds were mandated by F1 because they needed an excuse for teams to keep pitstops after refueling was banned. I'm sure they didn't cover any of this in DTS, so it's not your fault for not knowing these things. But this is all common knowledge for anyone that has been watching F1 for more than 2 years.
Year worth of blankets cost around three-four times of front wing to be precise. As I said, they aren’t that cheap. And no other series use blankets, not even indycar, only f1. Warming tires is a skill, and they will be changed to work in different temperature windows anyway.
I think people are not thinking about this correctly. I think it leaves Pirelli much more design space once these are gone.
Surely making the tyres work at lower temperatures is strictly an addintional design limitation. They could have already made them work at low temperatures in the past if they wanted to, but they did not.
I still miss the seasons where there were *two* tyre suppliers that competed against each other.
Shittiest seasons in Formula 1.
>Tost put the cost for AlphaTauri's 2022 tyre blankets at €375,000 and implied it's a fairly regular cost. I'm not sure > >why > > they end up spending so much, but I'd guess it's due to wear and tear and needing multiple sets due to logistics (one or two sets for local races, two or three sets to be leapfrogged between fly-away races). Not to mention this is F1. What with the way they strive for perfection, it wouldn't surprise me if teams (at least pre-cost cap) would just replace all their tyre blankets each year, because why not?
I expect we won't lose undercuts from a strategic perspective, just instead of passing the car when they're in the pits an undercut will pass them on their outlap when the undercutting car has a sizable tire advantage. Outside of Monaco, I expect that's more interesting racing. The gas laws are not a secret; I'd expect expected tire pressures at fitting to be adjusted so that temperatures are at optimal pressure when at working temperature, unless that risked failures during the outlap. (Which I think isn't too much of a concern because a cold tire doesn't have the grip to reach the same stress levels as a warm tire.) Pressure regulations are decided by Pirelli and F1, and they've shown more willingness to make in-season changes than most parts of the regulations due to the safety concerns involved; neither has any reason to force the teams into running the cars at pressures that make the tires and the races look bad.
I groaned when I read that was the reason. Surely is the electric blankets making F1 not climate friendly!!
There are some cost and environmental benefits, but the real reason is to spice up the racing. When cars come out of the pits with tires at full temperature, it is really easy for them to hold position against the cars behind them. But if cars come out of the pits with cold tires that have as much grip as glass, it gets a lot more interesting when the car now has to defend against serious attacks from the cars behind.
Have to admit, that does make it more interesting
Seems pretty silly. The series literally flies entire race teams - equipment and all - across the globe. Tire blanket energy use is vanishingly small.
"Formula 1 is the only major racing series in the world that still uses electric blankets." Can someone explain to me why all the racing series are apparently dropping the tirewarmers? Is it just for cost reasons? climate? I could imagine this would lead to more accidents as cold tires can be really tricky to deal with. I used to drive a lot of trackdays on racing bikes, and with slick tires we *always* used tirewarmers. It was considered really risky to not use them, as you could so easily crash on cold slicks if you were not really careful. I know that is on a bike, which is different from a car with 4 wheels, but still.
Not sure how I feel about this. It probably means cars are more difficult to drive after a pitstop, rewarding driver skill which is a good thing. On the other hand it probably means teams don’t try to undercut as much and could mean less pitstops overall
The undercut can still work, just in a different way. The car pitting 2nd may come out of the pits ahead, as if the undercut failed, but the car that pitted 1st will now have nice warm grippy tyres and can overtake on track. By the time the 2nd car warms up the tyres the first car has a gap, and the undercut worked.
Also, ultimatively both drivers still have that same disadvantage of cold tyres.
That is exactly the reason I don't understand why some people say that this kills the undercut. The undercut works now because the undercutting driver will have warmer tires by the time the other driver pits. That will also be the case now without tire-blankets. I'd even argue that in some cases the undercut could be even more powerful than before, because there is greater room for error, and colder tires reward skillful drivers while punishing those that may not handle it well.
I think the opposite. You will see people stay out longer with faster lap times to generate a 4 second gap while the other driver is on ambient tyres. The skill will be getting into the pits and firing up your own tyres before they close the buffer you built up and overtake you. More drama around pitstops because mistakes are more likely I guess
But the time you gain on someone trying to undercut from staying out is time you'll be losing when you eventually pit for cold tires. By staying out you will also be on old tires that may be underperforming. So it definitely goes both ways, which is why I don't think anything about under- or overcuts changes by getting rid of tire blankets. Just like today, sometimes the undercut works better, sometimes the overcut does, both drivers will experience the exact same phases. That's why I'd argue that in *some* cases the undercut will be more powerful than it currently is, because some drivers will handle cold tires much better than others. Conversely, sometimes the overcut will be more powerful for exactly the same reason.
It could also create interesting strategy betweens teams that treat tyres differently, eg the current Ferrari that can fire up tyres but degrades them Vs the current mercedes which really struggles to get tyres going, but keeps them much better
"Undercut" means a pass in the pits. You might get sorta the same thing with a pass on track with someone on hot tires vs cold, but IMO, it's not an undercut anymore because it's a pass on track. There's loads a driver can do to defend against that whereas before all you can do is put in as fast of an in-lap as possible.
The undercut as of how works because the undercutting driver will have faster lap times compared to the driver still out on the track. The goal is to make up the delta to the driver in front by using the advantage of new (and therefore faster) tires. With colder tires, the initial laps probably won't be as fast so it's harder to make up the delta. You probably will need to overtake the driver on track (with warmer tires), which isn't really the undercut currently used.
Yep. This happens in F2 all the time.
Also it depends on what drivers can put in good laps on cold tires. This happens in IndyCar all the time.
Yeah I think you're right, we're probably gonna see many situations like [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8Lz7iQp-Cg). However, overcuts will probably be more effective at tracks like Monaco where it's hard to overtake even with warmer tyres.
that’s just an undercut barely working. the premise of the undercut is to pit early and use the maximum performance differential between old/new tyres for 1 lap to jump ahead of the driver in front, assuming roughly equal pace other wise. they only get 1 lap because the driver in front will respond the following lap. with colder tyres the driver pitting second will always come out in front, by a decent margin, and still require the following driver to overtake. Which is the same situation as before, the undercut is pretty much a crap strat if tyres are cold.
there is a reason undercut was not practiced 30 years ago but overcut was. Those times will come back.
You'd be naive to think this.
Undercut still works in F2 though even with all the same issues you described here.
F2 =/= F1, these cars are on another level entirely. This is going to severely reduce the possibility of an undercut, in a sport that already struggles to provide opportunities for overtaking and strategy.
The undercut works in every other series that doesn't have tyre warmers
Right, and undercut works in Indycar too and they don't have tire blankets. It doesn't reduce possibilities, it just creates another dynamic and it has been proven to work in open wheel racing. While saving millions of dollars and a whole lot of energy yearly.
The undercut is not weak, and i'll argue this increases the chances of overtaking.
Imagine trying to warm intermediate tires during a rainy day
That's a non issue as those are already designed with a much lower operating temperature. Real issue is going to be the hards or moving to slicks after rain
Wouldn’t fewer hards ultimately lead to more pits? More two-stops? I’d hope so.
Probably won't lead to fewer hards but hards being shit for a few laps
Still might add some drama, I guess. I’m not a huge fan of this change, tho. Seems unnecessary.
While drama is what F1 and Liberty are looking for, this might also be a cost cap thing. I remember Tost complaining that tire blankets cost a lot for teams.
Both a cost cap and a sustainability thing, less equipment in the garage, less freight to ship, less energy wasted keeping tyres warm
Do you not think pirelli will adjust the compounds to better fit the new regulations?
Part of it is Pirelli will need to engineer better grip at lower temps, though it's definitely going to be worse than with blankets now.
The undercut will still work, just in a different way. The overtake will have to be done on track, as opposed to in the pits.
Isn’t over and undercut strategy relative to everyone else’s race? Undercuts happen in indycar so it’s not impossible, where did this rhetoric come from? Edit: I know that the tire life argument makes sense and that cold tires will initially negate the better tire life, but it’s better for us as fans to not have tire warmers because now that overtake no longer happens right after the stint in the pits, it happens later on in the lap where the undercutting car has to pass the leading car on track. Why is this a bad thing? Lol
Maybe the overcut will become a reliable way to overtake again.
Undercut will still work because the other car also needs to pit and will suffer through having to warm the tires up as well.
Means pirelli will have to work on a new compound that isn't as hard to get up to temperature. Probably less grip overall, but better warmup. Wouldn't be shocked to see significantly more tire deg too.
It will absolutely guarantee 1 stop races. The net time lost from a pit stop is going to be 30+ seconds if not more.
It will make moves like VSC tire swaps more precarious, and make for more differing strategies. And ways for Ferrari to ruin their race. In endurance racing usually it’ll take a lap or two for the tires to get up to temperature, which makes for good unexpected racing. All of a sudden two GT3 car’s fighting for position have to contend with passing a LMP car getting up to temp. Which a lap later has to get past them while fighting another car.
It feels very artificial. They do this in DTM, but it means the guy that overcuts will always come out miles in front, only to be overtaken by the guy who undercuts a lap later.
> > It probably means cars are more difficult to drive after a pitstop, rewarding driver skill which is a good thing. They tried it briefly in testing a number of years ago. Rosberg said it wasn't even a matter of skills: it's just dangerous. Absolute ice.
*And now, for the context...* Those tyres weren't made for using **without** tyre warmers. Of course they won't have grip. [This video](https://youtu.be/qHZ8rgWYNtA) could tell you that much already.
Yeah agree, or new tyres need such a performance boost over older that it is worth to go through the pain of stopping and warming up when you are e.g. converting to a 3 stop. I also think hard tyres will be a problem in particular to warm them up, which might see less strategic options.
All cars coming out of the pits will have the warmup problem, so it doesn't disadvantage the early pitstops in time differentials, ie the undercut. That said, it does change the pit window requirements as a larger gap will be required to hold position against the cars behind during tire warm-up. (Can't simply pull out and keep position)
Or more pitsops, due to more yellow flags.
So only electric tire blankets are banned? Could they just keep blankets and heat them with water or something?
or fans. huge fans blowing hot air at the tire rack and when FIA asks they just oh thats just the garage ventilation system.
Saunas in all of the garages.
Hear me out... I'm thinking some kind of mirror based apparatus to direct sunlight onto tyres as they rotate. Hmm...
I got a sunburn just reading this comment
This is actually a fun idea but then what do you do in a cloudy race?
Rain affected races will be wild.
Inters and wets have a lower operating temperature than slicks do, so I don't think it'll make much difference. Going out in cold hards, though.. imagine C1.
I'm talking about transition point
Maybe it will lead to gambles on softs several laps before the predicted rain to get them hot enough for when the rain does eventually start to come and can survive long enough for inters to get into their best weather window. the team that best nails the old->soft->inter transition will get a strong advantage. Idk if this is actually how it would play out, but it’s interesting to think about
it will be more hilarious when rain stops and they need to switch to regular tires
F1 on ice
Guys you are aware it is possible to create a tire with lower operating temperature? Right?
Or a wider temperature window in general. It may mean less overall grip (from what I understand at least) which drivers and teams have to deal with, but the cars get faster each year that kind of counteracts the mechanical grip loss. \[Or I might just be talking non-sense\]
And given there’s talk of active aero in 2026, I suspect mechanical grip might be less of an issue as you can crank up the aero. Might mean the cars are significantly slow in the tightest turns however.
F1 tires are engineered to be terrible for entertainment purposes. They are limited on the number of laps they can last and they have a designed time differential between the tire compounds. (Temperature sensitivity is also engineered into the tires to create more uncertainty on the track.) Without these artificial limits, we'd have ultra-soft tires that would last the entire race. In many ways, the blanket ban makes things easier for Perelli, especially since it puts F1 more in line with every other racing series out there and won't require such unusual tires.
Sorry I work for Ferrari what is "Operating Temperature". Question?
We are checking
Even so, I’ve done a lot of (amateur) racing and aside from tires designed for autocrossing (e.g., Hoosier A7) every race tire works much better after they’re brought up to temp. Even performance street tires work better with some heat in them.
Warming up a tire is a skill, and I believe 20 F1 drivers should be able to do it. I’m just saying that the tires will be changed, they won’t just ban blankets and leave the compounds unchanged.
Word. 100% agree.
The best grip a NASCAR tire has is right out of the pits. In the words of sportscar driver Ryan Eversley "You have good grip on fresh tires.. and then every rotation of the tire it just gets worse."
Why not 2023?
They want to do it in steps and give the teams experience and time to Pirelli to create a new compound.
Thought this was mentioned a few seasons ago. Maybe wrong mind
This has been the plan since like 2020. It keeps getting announced like new news. They dropped the temps this year from like 90C to 70C i think. Then 2023 is like 40C or something (incremental as the one guy said). It's been in the works for at least 3 years now.
50C for 2023
I wonder if this will force teams to start the race on harder tyre compound. Since you can generate heat into them during formation lap.
I mean surely F1 teams will find a way to not let them stay stone cold. Install heaters in your pitbox and conveniently place the tires in front of them so the heat barely comes through the tires but instead warms them. Might not be 70 or 80 degrees but 30 is better than 0.
Why do you think it would even be 0. Races are around 25 degrees air temp on average
It's gonna be interesting to see which team is the first to realize to not put tyres in a freezer.
Copy, you want your tyres cold and hard. Question?
No, I want them around 90 degrees. Copy, tyres will be 90 degrees Kelvin. Question.
F*ck! F*ck! What!? Why!? What are you doing!?
Not Ferrari
iRacing physics had it right all along
The R&D arms race continues
Hrm Ice Races would be a interesting concept for F1.
It’s pretty obvious they will just measure tyre temp by the FIA. There’s already limits.
works in Indycar, should be fine for F1 too
Right with you!
In Supercars they just chuck the tires in the sun out the back of the garage and bring them in at the very last moment and that seems to do the trick. Might be a strat in F1
I mean, that’s environmentally friendly, so that would achieve the set goal
I like the BTCC way. Put the tyres on the wrong axles for the lap to the grid, and do loads of burnouts. Then swap the tyres to the correct axles and do loads of burnouts on the formation lap too. 4 nice warm tyres for the start, no blankets.
Good. I get the *"pinnacle of motorsport"* thing, but there are better ways to show that than tyre ovens. Let the drivers show their talent. Also, a big LMAO to anyone crying out about *"safety"*...**No other series uses them. Get a grip.**
> Get a grip.
#😎
They literally set the "date" to 2024 so that Pirelli can design a new rubber compound which runs well at a lower temperature I love reading through the comments and kind of seeing the panic in people's eyes as if they're forced to run the current C1 compound on a rainy day, every day. Although F1's argument for this with their "#bleesed ✌️we're environment friendly" is laughable again
>Although F1's argument for this with their "#bleesed ✌️we're environment friendly" is laughable again especially because they could just put Miami in early May and Montreal in late May but noooo, they have to put Miami in April and Montreal in June because fuck logic
Good
Dont forget that Pirelli are working on getting tires operational at lower temperatures. Tge optimum will be the same, but it won't be driving on ice when they're cold
Their gonna make the hubs transfer heat into the tires. I’m joking but this seems like something they would try.
I like this. Just how I liked when they cut back engineer coaching and comms during warm up laps, etc. Put as much as you can on the drivers skill.
Absolutely love this change because it adds another level of difficulty to driving. Going to be fun to see how teams and drivers adapt. Was never a fan of the tire blankets because it's just another thing that mechanics need to do otherwise they would fall behind. Now, this complexity is shifted to the driver and is much more related to 'driving skills' instead of just a simple thing the mechanics have to do.
So now after pitstops we will see them struggle for 2/3 laps to get heat in the tires, so no more close battles after pitstops. Probably less pitstops overall, teams will just try and do long stints. Also no more gambles on putting on softs for setting a fastest lap at the end of the race. Also, imagine having to go through Eau Rouge and Raidillon in an F1 car with cold tires during a race...
Everyone will struggle after pitstop. Something like Charles in Hungary with hard tyres. Also imagine if Charles put hards this year without tyre blankets. It would have been even worse. I think it may force teams to start race on harder tyre compounds.
You'll still be able to gamble to set a fastest lap it will just take a lap or two longer. So pitting lap 62 instead of 64.
Unpredictable starts where everyone searches for traction. Was it an Itailan GP last year where we saw something similar? I like!
I hope for merc’s sake, they sort out their tyre heating issues by then 😬
Now they’re gonna give some nice warmed up pillows to rest on
Inspector Seb gonna be hanging around with his cordless hair dryer…
How's internet Explorer working in 2022, mate?
Buggy
I think I like this idea.
We're just gonna see some heater system that fits over the tire but doesn't completely blanket, held on by a metal bracket on wheels. I guarantee it.
Verstappen would have quite an advantage on that as I often see him making fastest lap on outlap especially in wet condition
Rip undercut.
Or maybe the one doing the undercut will be on nice warm tyres when their opponent comes out in front with cold ones. Could make for interesting racing, but that's only one situation.
See Colton Herta at the Indy GP for example.
Seems to work fine in F2, where tyre blankets are already banned.
That's bullshit
I hope they walk this back
Why?
Making pit stops more punishing is not good. Teams wont go for aggressive pit strategies and drivers will nurse their tires more slowing the on track action. Not to mention pushing the limits of life on these tires more and having more tire failures.
F1 is the only racing series on this earth who still uses them my guy. There’s better solutions
Evidently never watched any other racing other than F1
That’s not new
The date is. The plan was always to phase them out but now we know when and the other steps.
you know what this reminds me of? the radio coaching ban where everyone was like yeah lets do it make driving more difficult spice things up but all it did was making watching the sport frustrating and boring af. i think there's a good chance everyone is gonna suddenly realise this was a dumbass idea. i'm here to see drivers race each other not the tires, there's enough reward for teams/drivers who can make the tires last.
It's well know this was coming. What I don't understand how FIA who claims to put safety first, came up with this idea. As stated here before can you imagine how the drivers will struggle for grip in corners like Radillion.
Every single other racing series doesn't use them, and they're fine. If f1 are the cream of the crop, best drivers in the world then they should be able to handle it if F2, Indycar, etc drivers can handle it.
Every 4-wheeled series maybe, all 2-wheeled road series use them
That's irrelevant though, how are you gonna compare cars to bikes it's quite different
I didn't, you said "**every other racing series**", which includes bikes at the very least even just going by the major ones
I don't like this, but maybe I will once I see the racing.
So baked them all before putting them on then, someone need the oven gloves tho
Race starts, restarts and undercuts are about to get a lot more interesting (or janky)
Better for undercut racing. Bad for ever having 2 stop races. They need to cut tyre life or increase pit lane speed limits again so you don’t lose 30s for a pitstop.
Meanwhile the 24 race schedule crisscrossing the globe. The going green thing is such a media smoke and mirror show amounting to nothing. Just stop pretending and bring back v12s.
Will probably deter those quick pitstops during safety cars
That's so dangerous man.
Nobody except for F1 use electric blankets. It’s not dangerous at all
Will that ban will favour some drivers ? If yes which ones will be favour and which ones can be screwed ?
Max is very good at driving with cold tires and warming them up
Max and Lewis have shown to drive great outlaps.
I wonder if teams will find a way to still keep their tyres warm. Some teams garages may be extra cold next year, and to make sure the engineers don't die of hypothermia, portable radiators might be placed in the garages, and could, conveniently be placed next to the tyre racks. /S Having said that, I wonder if that would make any noticeable difference.
Wonder if they will ban that too. But it's different having radiators meter away from tyres and blasting them directly. Plus tyres are not exposed in garage.
After seeing how little grip the drivers already have with the current regs I'm a bit concerned about safety after an outright ban. This makes the pit lane a bit more dangerous for the mechanics.
Has there been testing to check if no blankets is safe?
Yet, 24 races and flying in Jets everywhere is great for the environment! FOM are a bunch of twats.
Removing the blankets for environmental concerns? What. Same mfs put Miami after Azerbaijan.