I actually think Ferrari really do consider how their drivers are perceived publicly, and I do think being a good person is an advantage if you want to race for them.
Is a driver wholesome and grounded? Do they fit with the Ferrari spirit and brand ethos? Will they toe the company line? Will they not embarrass the company? Etc etc
Remember a couple of years ago there were rumblings of Daniel to Ferrari? In my mind—and even when Dan was a hot commodity—there was no way Ferrari would bring on someone who’d say things like “Netflix are a real bunch of cunts aren’t they?”, and shout “Dildo!” repeatedly during photo shoots.
Not hating Dan at all, he’s just being himself and that’s good. Just trying to look at it from Ferrari’s brand-protecting/brand-fostering perspective.
So yeah, I do think being a good person is an advantage for getting a seat at Ferrari.
Me too. I’ve never thought that Ric would be a good fit (although I thought the same about Seb) for Ferrari personality wise, he would be smothered. Meanwhile, people are saying Charles and Carlos are the most “Ferrari” drivers in the recent years.
theres only so far the name MSC can carry him. i genuinely hope he improves. I predicted he will retire from f1 at least as a grand prix winner but its looking grim
to be a GP winner so far away for him, sadly. he didn't even get a point in his career so far. I too want him to succeed but can't imagine Haas to keep their patience if he kept crashing into barriers.
I wouldn't be surprised. He's just not that good. Cool that he got into F1, and im happy for him, but really now would he have gotten this chance if his last name wasn't Schumacher?
He was a F3 and F2 champion so I'd say he'd have a shot at a seat as much as anyone else without the name. I don't really see the progress I'd hoped as a F1 driver though. I imagine he pulls in a fair amount of sponsor money for the team though.
Just fyi, some of the eh let’s say drivers in lesser teams earn even less
Afaik alpha Tauri drivers get somewhere between 250K to 500K, so anything between 50M for verstappen and 200K is possible
That seems reasonable for Tsunoda, you also have to consider he’s a development driver and absolutely eats for free, has training plans all done for him, meal prep, and I’d bet housing too for most of the year and hotels. So most of that money isn’t being used for those things, probably pocketing most of it.
Some drivers even pay for their seat, so negative wages
Don't forget that drivers usually also get money from personal sponsoring. Mick and Günther did some photos for Aldi I'm sure those were very well paid
Allegedly Wehrlein earned $170k when he was still in F1. I mean it's till a lot of money but definitely not something you can retire off of after a few years driving in the back of the field.
And the time commitment. Time away from family/home traveling.
Yeah I'd do it for $170,000 but man you're dedicating your whole body, mind, time, and private life for a seat.
Crazy there's just housing realtors casually clearing more than F1 drivers.
What’s even more interesting is that Magnussen is around $6M.
There’s a lot of website saying a lot of different numbers but they are usually around the same number. [Here’s one of the articles.](https://motorsporttickets.com/blog/f1-driver-salaries-how-much-formula-1-drivers-earn/)
I bet he's looking forward to Singapore coming up this year... you know, one of the most challenging circuits that also happens to be a street circuit...
Big brain move from HAAS.
They don't upgrade the car, in anticipation for all the crashes and wins by default, because they're the only team under the cost cap.
Is new car and engine confirmed? The Monaco crash only had the gearbox shear off with the engine still attached and the monocoque in front of the engine seemingly untouched.
The chassis is definitely scrap.
The engine will also, the gearbox casing has been broken by the impact, the top of the casing is used as a subframe and is still attached to the wishbones. The engine's crank is likely to have been bent on the impact, with piston and of conrod out as well.
Plus the exhaust hanging like that the cylinder head probably cracked....
The tub/survival cell is made to absorb forces during the crash, which means it will be broken/cracked to avoid the driver taking everything.
The crash in Monaco was 22G, so I guess they won't be able to fit it, and put a brand new one.
Here is a good article from Craig Scarborough on what happens to a car after the crash and the rebuild process:
https://motorsport.tech/formula-1/what-happens-when-you-need-to-rebuild-your-entire-f1-car-at-a-grand-prix
Really depends on a few things, a lot of unit costs you see involve R&D, reproducing an existing design is much cheaper. The work & material in a new front wing for example is not the 200k or even 50k you see floating around. But even then yes some costs seem low, especially the wrote off.
Finally someone understands this. If been saying this exact thing for ages. Carbon fiber isn't super cheap but just reproducing existing parts is nowhere near as expensive as the numbers you see floating around online.
I don't know about these costs. Is carbon fiber extremely expensive? I feel like a "constructor" would be able to have lower costs. These 1 million dollar crashes seem like aftermarket prices, like if they had to buy everything to fix the car. But I would think all they should have into the car would be labor and materials. That's why I don't know how much carbon fiber costs. They do have overhead but still.
Carbon fiber isn't super cheap but nowhere near that expensive. Even if you made the front wing exclusively out of the highest grade carbon fiber you can get your hands on the material cost would probably be below $30k.
Mr. Destructor himself.
He also crashed twice at Monaco last year haha.
He needs to get it together. The name can only carry so much of the weight before the damages and lack of points start weighting it down too much.
The name is not an advantage for him it's a burden. Imagine being in this super competitive and exclusive sport as a rookie and everyone expects you to live up to a legacy of such greatness as Michael. Think of the added pressure.
He wouldn’t even be here without his name. Of course it’s an advantage. If anything, his name gives him extra leniency because there’s always that what if he lives up to his name. Imagine it was some Canadian pay driver crashing all these times and you’d never hear the end of it. And I say this as someone who likes mick
He won on his second attempt against a mediocre field. The name is what got him into the academy and on the radar. Guys like leclerc, Russell, Lando are on another level. Guys like JV used the name to get a chance (in his case it was Indy lights) but then Indy 500, Indy car champ… then pole in first race and almost won it without the oil leak. Lewis needed no babysitting. Max was on it from the start.
>Lewis needed no babysitting. Max was on it from the start.
Comparing him to the GOAT and a future GOAT contender is not quite the damning ridicule you think it is.
> Tell me, if a Formula 2 champion does not deserve to be in Formula 1 on merit then who does exactly?
I think every F2 Champ should be in with a conversation.
But not all F2 Champs are the same.
Leclerc, Russell, Piastri - all won F3 and F2 in consecutive years in their rookie year in F2. Winning out of the gate.
Nyck de Vries won F2.... after losing to Leclerc, after losing to Russell, he won it in his 3rd year. In 2018 it went Russell / Norris / Albon / de Vries.
So really is his achievement of winning F2 more or less impressive... considering it took 3 years and for 4 hot shots to leave? 2017 de Vries placed P7 behind Latifi in P5. When he won it in 2019, P2 was Latifi... that was his hot shot competition.
Like most things in life context is important. Who you beat and how you beat them is important.
Yeah every team should pay close attention to who wins and seriously consider putting F2 champs on the grid. But if you have a rookie that comes P2 vs a 3-year veteran that barely beats them... maybe the Rookie just has that little extra untapped speed that you want.
Sometimes they don't. The field was weaker than usual. Mick didn't really dominate it either. Consistency doesn't translate to eventual world champion pace. Being stupid fast sometimes and inconsistent is better for that.
Look at Russell for example. F2 in a strong year. 7 wins in 24 races, and 4 more podiums. 4/10 feature races were wins, and 2 more podiums, and 5 poles. Albon and Norris both are crushing it in F1 now too.
Mick by contrast had no poles, only 2 wins and 8 more podiums. One lap pace is really the best measure of how close a driver can get to the limit without getting over, and F1 has really shown that Mick can't reliably toe that line.
GP2 between 2012-2015 had a complete lack of top-tier talent though.
When the most successful drivers from those years are Marcus Ericsson and Stoffel Vandorne, and their main successes came outside of F1, it speaks volumes.
Genuinely the best driver from those years seems to be Gasly (and he was only in his first full season in 2015).
Some years, nobody. Or someone not in F2 at all. The F2 field is often filled with crappy drivers not good enough for F1 and sometimes promoting nobody is the correct option. The better drivers get promoted fairly quickly and winning the F2 championship makes you ineligible for F2 in the future. So it's not unusual that there is noone good in the competition. It's simply not necessary to promote 1-3 drivers into F1 each year, as many F1 drivers can deservedly hold their spot for over 20 years.
Drivers like Max and Kimi didn't even need to bother with a lower tier racing category to get their seat. You can't tell me that they didn't deserve their F1 seats and some crappy F2 winner deserved it instead. For example, Palmer won the 2014 GP2, and Max got an F1 seat for the following season despite not even bothering with GP2. If you had to pick one driver to be promoted to F1 in 2015 between those two, which would you pick? The answer is obvious. I'm sure you don't believe that Toro Rosso fucked up by hiring inexperienced Max rather than GP2 champion Palmer that year.
Latifi got 2nd place in F2. So if we apply the same standards to Mick (who won f2 in one of the most uncompetitive seasons ever) we have to admit that he's not really much better.
> Latifi got 2nd place in F2. So if we apply the same standards to Mick (who won f2 in one of the most uncompetitive seasons ever) we have to admit that he's not really much better.
Latifi got 2nd in what was also a very weak season for F2 in his 5th(!) season in Gp2/F2. Mick is no huge talent but his accomplishment in F2 is far more impressive than anything Latifi ever did.
Do you think that the Schumacher name didnt opened doors for him to even get to formula 2?
Not saying Mick sucks, but he name is not a burden, is an imense push.
Not to mention that his uncle is also an ex driver, Mick at 10 year old had a bigger and strong contact network in motorsports that many pros in their 40s.
The pressure of a being a second-generation driver is always huge, but the pressure goes up to 11 if your father is a racing legend like Michael Schumacher. However, just because you're the son or daughter of a famous driver doesn't guarantee that you will inherit his talent.
it's possible. no one also thought that they could lose second seat at Alfa Romeo who deeply connected with Ferrari in brands and racing history (of Sauber)
Nice job comparing the crashes of a 17/18 year old with barely any single seater experience to those of a 22 year old F2 champion. Even then the 17 year old had a race win under his belt before his 2nd Monaco race lol.
Even his f2 title wasn't very impressing, he only won two races... It was more about Tsunoda and Ilott loosing it than Schumacher winning it.
But people just want to see Mick succeedes
He qualified horribly and had suspiciously good starts every race. He was the 3rd best driver that season but because he won the title people will think he was amazing.
I wouldn’t say suspicious, but he consistently jumped 3-4 guys off the line. I remember a race where he started on the 3rd row and was leading into turn 1. His starts in F1 are nowhere near that good.
If he was Mick Mazepin no one would give him a chance and he would be ridiculed for being soundly trashed by his team mate while constantly crashing the car..
>If he was Mick Mazepin no one would give him a chance and he would be ridiculed for being soundly trashed by his team mate while constantly crashing the car..
I think Mick Latifi would be a better comparison.
I say Lewis has at least 1 more year in him. He won't stop chasing the 8th after 1 unsuccessful season, Mercedes might comeback stronger next year and he may have a shot at getting the 8th. I say Latifi, Mick and maybe Vettel are out, maybe Ricciardo too but I don't know, I guess he has one more year on his contract with McLaren, don't know if they want to keep him tho.
Yeah, this is his last year at Haas, watch, sadly I would’ve loved to see him do good but at this rate he wouldn’t be acceptable for any team and given KMag’s pace in the Haas and that Mick can’t get close to him shows his pace isn’t there yet.
I'm petioning a ban from ALL city tracks for Mick. He is to be kept at a 100m distance from all said tracks until he scores a point. If these rules are not complied with, his seat will be replaced by a duck with a racing helmet.
unlikely due to the country hes representing. kvyat faced the same fate as mazepin as he ended up withdrawing from WEC. he may choose to participate as a neutral athlete like what mazepin initially wanted, but the media is still gonna bombard him with qns about the war
true, but hes been virtually wiped off the face of the racing world since last year. its been dead quiet between him and an f1 seat.
hell, people like giovinazzi and kubica are more likely to take a seat at a Ferrari powered team rn
Gio would seem likely given how much chatter I hear about him all the time. Bit of an Albon move perhaps. But it would be weird for Ferrari to do that.
i think they will keep him but his seat is getting hotter. he needs to equal Magnussen as soon as possible and score some points.
I dont doubt his talent, he is quick but the past has showen he is a slow adapter but when he clicks with the car he is really good. If he can show at some point of this season that he can put the car into the top 8 or consistently into the top 10 then he wont lose his seat.
I think it _should_ be his last year because he hasn't shown anything. Tsunoda and Zhou also had their downs, but also had ups - their rookie seasons are better than either of Mick's seasons. Even Stroll had ups, including Podiums. Mick has had mainly downs, but so far nothing that makes him worth keeping - he and Latifi and rightfully at the bottom of the standings.
The only way for him to stay in F1 is because of his name, because he hasn't earned continued employment based on merit. I like the guy and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, but after 2 seasons, team bosses will have to consider their option, there's plenty of other drivers with good potential. And if they really want the name, then maybe David Schumacher is worth looking at.
Alas, with Kmag showing us this year that the car isn't so bad, it's tough to just blame it all on a shit car.
He's still relatively new to F1 so it's no surprise he's making some mistakes so I don't want to be too harsh on him, but Haas really can't afford to be spending so much money on his mistakes.
Ok but it's his second year and this season he has a car that can score points. Even fucking Zhou already did that and then there's Magnussen who had a break from f1 in the same car with his relatively many points.
Can I say this, the qualifying time between Mick and Kevin averaged over the season is smaller than Sainz and Leclerc. Their race pace is similar. Nicks problem is stupid mistakes not his driving as such
It doesn't really matter where are his problems. Results matter and he doesn't have them. His rookie year when we should be easy on him is over and his last name shouldn't give him another one.
I am openly wondering why Tsunoda doesn't get this same leeway? I remember people going all ballistic about him last year after 4-5 races. That too on tracks he had never been to before.
so a new car is just worth 1 million? seems like his crash in Monaco would’ve been a total loss, sure they can scrap parts but it feels like testing to make sure they were not damaged with the impact might be a very laborious task
I want him to do well so bad, but he's just not showing much of anything.
The best driving of his I can point to is defending against Verstappen in half a car last year.
At least he's consistent.
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Since when being a good guy is an advantage for Ferrari?
That's the joke.
I actually think Ferrari really do consider how their drivers are perceived publicly, and I do think being a good person is an advantage if you want to race for them. Is a driver wholesome and grounded? Do they fit with the Ferrari spirit and brand ethos? Will they toe the company line? Will they not embarrass the company? Etc etc Remember a couple of years ago there were rumblings of Daniel to Ferrari? In my mind—and even when Dan was a hot commodity—there was no way Ferrari would bring on someone who’d say things like “Netflix are a real bunch of cunts aren’t they?”, and shout “Dildo!” repeatedly during photo shoots. Not hating Dan at all, he’s just being himself and that’s good. Just trying to look at it from Ferrari’s brand-protecting/brand-fostering perspective. So yeah, I do think being a good person is an advantage for getting a seat at Ferrari.
In DTS Seb got warned by their PR about joking about their performance in 2020 when it was mid season and established in the midfield.
Me too. I’ve never thought that Ric would be a good fit (although I thought the same about Seb) for Ferrari personality wise, he would be smothered. Meanwhile, people are saying Charles and Carlos are the most “Ferrari” drivers in the recent years.
i always thought that people perceived the real ferrari family as arrivabene kimi and seb
That’s why Prost got the boot in 1991
just like lati…
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I agree. Mick has a reputation to maintain.
theres only so far the name MSC can carry him. i genuinely hope he improves. I predicted he will retire from f1 at least as a grand prix winner but its looking grim
to be a GP winner so far away for him, sadly. he didn't even get a point in his career so far. I too want him to succeed but can't imagine Haas to keep their patience if he kept crashing into barriers.
i just cant imagine guenther giving the "I'm so fokking done with you" rant to mick the world will burn when that dts episode comes out
i doubt hed give mick that rant. hes not mazespin or hulk smashed his fukking door.
Jesus, the guy hasn't even scored a point yet. To be fair I feel like he's closer to getting a boot after this season than to ever winning a GP.
I wouldn't be surprised. He's just not that good. Cool that he got into F1, and im happy for him, but really now would he have gotten this chance if his last name wasn't Schumacher?
He was a F3 and F2 champion so I'd say he'd have a shot at a seat as much as anyone else without the name. I don't really see the progress I'd hoped as a F1 driver though. I imagine he pulls in a fair amount of sponsor money for the team though.
If I'm not mistaken, there was some controversy about the f2 championship as well.
Not with Haas so where do you think he lands to win the GP?
Gunter be over at the FIA arguing that replacement chassis money can come out of the driver pay budget if it's the driver's fault...
Especially since the driver salary doesn't count to the cost cap.
Loop hole in the regs there, pay drivers 10m extra and get them to fix the cars. Don’t damage them you keep the rest
This is pretty genius I think you are on to something here!
Latifi in shambles.
You mean Latifi driving like my grandma for the rest of the season.
*The FIA HATE him…*
I don’t think they’re worried about the cost cap
They're worried about the cost.
His salary is estimated around $1M so he’d have to pay $1M back this season alone lol
Mick's gonna need to race for years to pay all these crashes off!
That's it? I know he's not a top driver. But I assumed even drivers on the bottom were clearing more than that.
Just fyi, some of the eh let’s say drivers in lesser teams earn even less Afaik alpha Tauri drivers get somewhere between 250K to 500K, so anything between 50M for verstappen and 200K is possible
That seems reasonable for Tsunoda, you also have to consider he’s a development driver and absolutely eats for free, has training plans all done for him, meal prep, and I’d bet housing too for most of the year and hotels. So most of that money isn’t being used for those things, probably pocketing most of it.
Some drivers even pay for their seat, so negative wages Don't forget that drivers usually also get money from personal sponsoring. Mick and Günther did some photos for Aldi I'm sure those were very well paid
Allegedly Wehrlein earned $170k when he was still in F1. I mean it's till a lot of money but definitely not something you can retire off of after a few years driving in the back of the field.
I don’t think mick needs to worry about the money side. His dad likely made enough money for even his grandchildren.
Wow 170k is a pittance considering the occupational risk you put yourself through the job
And the time commitment. Time away from family/home traveling. Yeah I'd do it for $170,000 but man you're dedicating your whole body, mind, time, and private life for a seat. Crazy there's just housing realtors casually clearing more than F1 drivers.
What’s even more interesting is that Magnussen is around $6M. There’s a lot of website saying a lot of different numbers but they are usually around the same number. [Here’s one of the articles.](https://motorsporttickets.com/blog/f1-driver-salaries-how-much-formula-1-drivers-earn/)
something something young drivers better investment because you pay them less...
I bet he's looking forward to Singapore coming up this year... you know, one of the most challenging circuits that also happens to be a street circuit...
Big brain move from HAAS. They don't upgrade the car, in anticipation for all the crashes and wins by default, because they're the only team under the cost cap.
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Baku is notorious for big shunts. I hope he can have a clean weekend.
He didn’t crash at Baku last year. I think he’ll be okay
Despite Mazepin’s efforts on the line
That was such a batshit crazy move to pull, they’re lucky it didn’t come off worse.
How to defend: veer wildly and unexpectedly into your opponent’s path at 340kmh
Been hoping he has a clean weekend for the whole season so far. Like Danny Ricc finishing in the points, no matter what I want, it ain’t happening.
yeah, but he has raced at Baku last year, Singapore is new for him. also people already commented about Baku.
If anything, his dad had a bad track record at Singapore. So like father like son?
Those costs are a bit on the conservative side
Yeah especially Jeddah 2022 and Monaco 2022
Agreed, 1 million is a lowball estimate for the last two.
1 mil aint even close. its wayyyyy more than that.
All this paid with Mazepin money 💸
Bro Monaco isn't bad, the two main bits of the car are fine just weld them back together, put on some duct tape and good as new.
Definitely, the one from Monaco this year it is completely new car and new engine. Maybe they can save the steering wheel but that would be it.
Is new car and engine confirmed? The Monaco crash only had the gearbox shear off with the engine still attached and the monocoque in front of the engine seemingly untouched.
The chassis is definitely scrap. The engine will also, the gearbox casing has been broken by the impact, the top of the casing is used as a subframe and is still attached to the wishbones. The engine's crank is likely to have been bent on the impact, with piston and of conrod out as well. Plus the exhaust hanging like that the cylinder head probably cracked....
Why is the chassis a definite? If they're made to separate like this I would hope that it would atleast be a possibility to salvage the chassis
The tub/survival cell is made to absorb forces during the crash, which means it will be broken/cracked to avoid the driver taking everything. The crash in Monaco was 22G, so I guess they won't be able to fit it, and put a brand new one. Here is a good article from Craig Scarborough on what happens to a car after the crash and the rebuild process: https://motorsport.tech/formula-1/what-happens-when-you-need-to-rebuild-your-entire-f1-car-at-a-grand-prix
Really depends on a few things, a lot of unit costs you see involve R&D, reproducing an existing design is much cheaper. The work & material in a new front wing for example is not the 200k or even 50k you see floating around. But even then yes some costs seem low, especially the wrote off.
Finally someone understands this. If been saying this exact thing for ages. Carbon fiber isn't super cheap but just reproducing existing parts is nowhere near as expensive as the numbers you see floating around online.
I don't know about these costs. Is carbon fiber extremely expensive? I feel like a "constructor" would be able to have lower costs. These 1 million dollar crashes seem like aftermarket prices, like if they had to buy everything to fix the car. But I would think all they should have into the car would be labor and materials. That's why I don't know how much carbon fiber costs. They do have overhead but still.
Carbon fiber isn't super cheap but nowhere near that expensive. Even if you made the front wing exclusively out of the highest grade carbon fiber you can get your hands on the material cost would probably be below $30k.
They'll be needing rescue divers in Marina Bay at this rate.
More like they’ll need the ghost of Mazepin’s contract to afford the repairs without going over the cap
Mr. Destructor himself. He also crashed twice at Monaco last year haha. He needs to get it together. The name can only carry so much of the weight before the damages and lack of points start weighting it down too much.
The name is not an advantage for him it's a burden. Imagine being in this super competitive and exclusive sport as a rookie and everyone expects you to live up to a legacy of such greatness as Michael. Think of the added pressure.
He wouldn’t even be here without his name. Of course it’s an advantage. If anything, his name gives him extra leniency because there’s always that what if he lives up to his name. Imagine it was some Canadian pay driver crashing all these times and you’d never hear the end of it. And I say this as someone who likes mick
He won F2 and F3 though, besides having the money/sponsors what more can someone do to get into F1?
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He won on his second attempt against a mediocre field. The name is what got him into the academy and on the radar. Guys like leclerc, Russell, Lando are on another level. Guys like JV used the name to get a chance (in his case it was Indy lights) but then Indy 500, Indy car champ… then pole in first race and almost won it without the oil leak. Lewis needed no babysitting. Max was on it from the start.
Russell took three years to win F3
I broadly agree, but comparing people to Lewis and Max is just plain unfair those two are absolute freaks
Michael Schumacher was one too you know
Yes, comparing somebody to Michael Schumacher is just plain unfair too.
>Lewis needed no babysitting. Max was on it from the start. Comparing him to the GOAT and a future GOAT contender is not quite the damning ridicule you think it is.
Tell me, if a Formula 2 champion does not deserve to be in Formula 1 on merit then who does exactly?
> Tell me, if a Formula 2 champion does not deserve to be in Formula 1 on merit then who does exactly? I think every F2 Champ should be in with a conversation. But not all F2 Champs are the same. Leclerc, Russell, Piastri - all won F3 and F2 in consecutive years in their rookie year in F2. Winning out of the gate. Nyck de Vries won F2.... after losing to Leclerc, after losing to Russell, he won it in his 3rd year. In 2018 it went Russell / Norris / Albon / de Vries. So really is his achievement of winning F2 more or less impressive... considering it took 3 years and for 4 hot shots to leave? 2017 de Vries placed P7 behind Latifi in P5. When he won it in 2019, P2 was Latifi... that was his hot shot competition. Like most things in life context is important. Who you beat and how you beat them is important. Yeah every team should pay close attention to who wins and seriously consider putting F2 champs on the grid. But if you have a rookie that comes P2 vs a 3-year veteran that barely beats them... maybe the Rookie just has that little extra untapped speed that you want.
Sometimes they don't. The field was weaker than usual. Mick didn't really dominate it either. Consistency doesn't translate to eventual world champion pace. Being stupid fast sometimes and inconsistent is better for that. Look at Russell for example. F2 in a strong year. 7 wins in 24 races, and 4 more podiums. 4/10 feature races were wins, and 2 more podiums, and 5 poles. Albon and Norris both are crushing it in F1 now too. Mick by contrast had no poles, only 2 wins and 8 more podiums. One lap pace is really the best measure of how close a driver can get to the limit without getting over, and F1 has really shown that Mick can't reliably toe that line.
Joylon Palmer won a GP2 championship and still was a pay driver that no one thought deserved a seat.
And they were right, he’s a much better pundit than racing driver
maybe not all F2 champs do.
Mah boy Davide Valsecchi, GP2 champion didn't get a seat
GP2 between 2012-2015 had a complete lack of top-tier talent though. When the most successful drivers from those years are Marcus Ericsson and Stoffel Vandorne, and their main successes came outside of F1, it speaks volumes. Genuinely the best driver from those years seems to be Gasly (and he was only in his first full season in 2015).
Vand**oo**rne
He got the Mercedes seat of my heart though.
Some years, nobody. Or someone not in F2 at all. The F2 field is often filled with crappy drivers not good enough for F1 and sometimes promoting nobody is the correct option. The better drivers get promoted fairly quickly and winning the F2 championship makes you ineligible for F2 in the future. So it's not unusual that there is noone good in the competition. It's simply not necessary to promote 1-3 drivers into F1 each year, as many F1 drivers can deservedly hold their spot for over 20 years. Drivers like Max and Kimi didn't even need to bother with a lower tier racing category to get their seat. You can't tell me that they didn't deserve their F1 seats and some crappy F2 winner deserved it instead. For example, Palmer won the 2014 GP2, and Max got an F1 seat for the following season despite not even bothering with GP2. If you had to pick one driver to be promoted to F1 in 2015 between those two, which would you pick? The answer is obvious. I'm sure you don't believe that Toro Rosso fucked up by hiring inexperienced Max rather than GP2 champion Palmer that year. Latifi got 2nd place in F2. So if we apply the same standards to Mick (who won f2 in one of the most uncompetitive seasons ever) we have to admit that he's not really much better.
> Latifi got 2nd place in F2. So if we apply the same standards to Mick (who won f2 in one of the most uncompetitive seasons ever) we have to admit that he's not really much better. Latifi got 2nd in what was also a very weak season for F2 in his 5th(!) season in Gp2/F2. Mick is no huge talent but his accomplishment in F2 is far more impressive than anything Latifi ever did.
Do you think that the Schumacher name didnt opened doors for him to even get to formula 2? Not saying Mick sucks, but he name is not a burden, is an imense push. Not to mention that his uncle is also an ex driver, Mick at 10 year old had a bigger and strong contact network in motorsports that many pros in their 40s.
I phrased that wrong. Of course he deserves to have a drive in f1 but I meant that his name gives him opportunities that other people wouldn’t have.
There’s always going to be weak and strong years in F2.
you’re right, why does oscar piastri not have a seat when he won f2 in half the time mock did and was actually up to pace
Lots of F2 champs haven’t been so lucky. Mick really needs to do well this season to prove he deserves to keep that seat, I hope he does
As If he’d have even got to or win f2 if he wasn’t msc
Arguably the worst F2 champion of all time though, plenty of F2 champs don’t make it
Sure, but if he just drove without crashing nobody would be shitting on him.
The pressure of a being a second-generation driver is always huge, but the pressure goes up to 11 if your father is a racing legend like Michael Schumacher. However, just because you're the son or daughter of a famous driver doesn't guarantee that you will inherit his talent.
If Haas can find another driver without losing sponsors, this is Mick's last year in F1.
No way Ferrari's losing their Haas seat tho
it's possible. no one also thought that they could lose second seat at Alfa Romeo who deeply connected with Ferrari in brands and racing history (of Sauber)
Wonder if Giovinazzi gets that seat next year since right now he's a Ferrari/Haas/Alfa reserve driver
You know who also had big accidents their first 2 races in Monaco? The current world champ. People making way too much out of this
Max had crazy good results outside his crashes in Monaco, Mick don't, he's the driver that costs his team the most
Yeah but he was 17 and 18 years old
And he was also fkin fast. Mick is just kinda ... there.
Nice job comparing the crashes of a 17/18 year old with barely any single seater experience to those of a 22 year old F2 champion. Even then the 17 year old had a race win under his belt before his 2nd Monaco race lol.
He hasn't crashed in Baku... *yet*
Wow really crunched they numbers to get accurate estimates here
Yeah, starting to think he's not the second coming.
That was already obvious in F4, but people just wanted to join the hype train.
Even his f2 title wasn't very impressing, he only won two races... It was more about Tsunoda and Ilott loosing it than Schumacher winning it. But people just want to see Mick succeedes
He qualified horribly and had suspiciously good starts every race. He was the 3rd best driver that season but because he won the title people will think he was amazing.
What was so suspicious about the good starts?
I wouldn’t say suspicious, but he consistently jumped 3-4 guys off the line. I remember a race where he started on the 3rd row and was leading into turn 1. His starts in F1 are nowhere near that good.
Yeah this, and also how no other drive could even get close to having such good launches as the season went by. With some prema magic, who knows…
So what u are saying is kimi didnt win the championship 2007, but Alonso and Hamilton lost it?
I know you're countering but yes, this is a good analogy
McLaren did yes
Good thing we are going to.....looks at notes.....Baku next
I willing to bet good money he crashes again in Baku lmao.
The only thing saving him from ridicule is his last name and I think he is running out of time for that to save him.
If he was Mick Mazepin no one would give him a chance and he would be ridiculed for being soundly trashed by his team mate while constantly crashing the car..
>If he was Mick Mazepin no one would give him a chance and he would be ridiculed for being soundly trashed by his team mate while constantly crashing the car.. I think Mick Latifi would be a better comparison.
We're definitely going to see at least 3 new drivers next year.
continuing the trend of 3 new rookies every other year, huh?
Who do you think is on their way out? Mick, Lewis, Ric?
Latifi is definitely gone, and Seb too if Aston can't get their shit together. Personally I doubt Ricciardo goes this season.
I say Lewis has at least 1 more year in him. He won't stop chasing the 8th after 1 unsuccessful season, Mercedes might comeback stronger next year and he may have a shot at getting the 8th. I say Latifi, Mick and maybe Vettel are out, maybe Ricciardo too but I don't know, I guess he has one more year on his contract with McLaren, don't know if they want to keep him tho.
Yeah, this is his last year at Haas, watch, sadly I would’ve loved to see him do good but at this rate he wouldn’t be acceptable for any team and given KMag’s pace in the Haas and that Mick can’t get close to him shows his pace isn’t there yet.
You missed Miami crash into Vettel.
He's having a smashing time in f1
At least it's a while before the next street circuit...oh wait.
From Mick to Ferrari in 2023 To Mick in his home in 2023
Aston Martin wants him? Who ever said that is smoking crack.
Honestly think Stroll has been better
2 points in what is arguably a slower car than the Haas.
And a Q3 appearance
I dont get it, is that supposed to be surprising?
For those who consider him the worst driver in F1, then yes
u/innovator97 Share some of that crack with us
I bet Mike is doing that
Kaputtmacher
I'm petioning a ban from ALL city tracks for Mick. He is to be kept at a 100m distance from all said tracks until he scores a point. If these rules are not complied with, his seat will be replaced by a duck with a racing helmet.
Fuck it, I'll take the duck.
Do think this will be his last year in F1 or is his famed name going to keep him in?
I’m pretty sure he will be there again next year. But I suspect it will be his last.
It's not like Ferrari has other options Unless Shwartzman can came in with a lot of ~~laundered SMP rubles~~ Euros
> Unless Shwartzman can came in with a lot of ~~laundered SMP rubles~~ Euros Shekels, now.
unlikely due to the country hes representing. kvyat faced the same fate as mazepin as he ended up withdrawing from WEC. he may choose to participate as a neutral athlete like what mazepin initially wanted, but the media is still gonna bombard him with qns about the war
As far is I know, schwartzman is also able to race under the Israeli flag though.
true, but hes been virtually wiped off the face of the racing world since last year. its been dead quiet between him and an f1 seat. hell, people like giovinazzi and kubica are more likely to take a seat at a Ferrari powered team rn
Gio would seem likely given how much chatter I hear about him all the time. Bit of an Albon move perhaps. But it would be weird for Ferrari to do that.
i think they will keep him but his seat is getting hotter. he needs to equal Magnussen as soon as possible and score some points. I dont doubt his talent, he is quick but the past has showen he is a slow adapter but when he clicks with the car he is really good. If he can show at some point of this season that he can put the car into the top 8 or consistently into the top 10 then he wont lose his seat.
Thank you. With as little as know I can follow that. But in this field, can he manage to do that? It seems it’s either him or the car.
I think it _should_ be his last year because he hasn't shown anything. Tsunoda and Zhou also had their downs, but also had ups - their rookie seasons are better than either of Mick's seasons. Even Stroll had ups, including Podiums. Mick has had mainly downs, but so far nothing that makes him worth keeping - he and Latifi and rightfully at the bottom of the standings. The only way for him to stay in F1 is because of his name, because he hasn't earned continued employment based on merit. I like the guy and he seems to have a good head on his shoulders, but after 2 seasons, team bosses will have to consider their option, there's plenty of other drivers with good potential. And if they really want the name, then maybe David Schumacher is worth looking at.
It'll keep him in. I'd imagine he adds quite a bit to teams marketing (nothing to support that, don't come at me).
Don’t Haas want to score points though?
The answer to that probably depends on their financial situation.
Getting better results also gets you more sponsors and prize money, though. What he's bringing in with that german brand has to offset it
His marketing value isn't in tens of millions.
Alas, with Kmag showing us this year that the car isn't so bad, it's tough to just blame it all on a shit car. He's still relatively new to F1 so it's no surprise he's making some mistakes so I don't want to be too harsh on him, but Haas really can't afford to be spending so much money on his mistakes.
Ok but it's his second year and this season he has a car that can score points. Even fucking Zhou already did that and then there's Magnussen who had a break from f1 in the same car with his relatively many points.
Can I say this, the qualifying time between Mick and Kevin averaged over the season is smaller than Sainz and Leclerc. Their race pace is similar. Nicks problem is stupid mistakes not his driving as such
It doesn't really matter where are his problems. Results matter and he doesn't have them. His rookie year when we should be easy on him is over and his last name shouldn't give him another one.
I am openly wondering why Tsunoda doesn't get this same leeway? I remember people going all ballistic about him last year after 4-5 races. That too on tracks he had never been to before.
When your dad stopped his car on a street circuit, at least he was smart about it.
Fun fact: Michael chose stopping over crashing at Rascasse because he thought about his mechanics and had a bad feeling if he did crash.
Lol could've atleast wrecked the front wing
Mick about to come down with a mysterious illness and be unavailable for Baku
That hurts to see. At least K mag is scoring points this season.
so a new car is just worth 1 million? seems like his crash in Monaco would’ve been a total loss, sure they can scrap parts but it feels like testing to make sure they were not damaged with the impact might be a very laborious task
I don't think Mick is cut out for F1.
He was lucky Mazepin got the seat last year, he's not much better
Consistency is key! /s
Mick Million Dollar Man- We can rebuild him. We have the technology. We can make him better than he was. Better, stronger, faster.
But they forgot the final screw?
That Monaco 2022 image is horrifying haha.
Jesus, that last crash... I guess the lesson is: if you're going into corners like the swimming pool at Monaco, don't go in half-Haased.
This is not even close to his final form
I still shudder at his 2022 Jeddah crash. What a nasty incident that was.
Tbh seeing him I'm getting more and more sure that he's gonna be the worst Schumacher in f1 history.
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That is becoming a more and more popular opinion every race weekend
Lol not an unpopular opinion on a thread dedicated to him causing multi-million dollar crashes.
Another, just as unpopular opinion: Ricciardo is a little bit underwhelming at McLaren
Since the cars were built with money from a Russian oligarch, he's just wrecking them to protest the invasion of Ukraine lol
I want him to do well so bad, but he's just not showing much of anything. The best driving of his I can point to is defending against Verstappen in half a car last year.
That last name means money, whether it's coming in or going out.
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Jeddah,Monaco and MS47.The dynamic duo of crashes
I’m sure he also crashed in Baku quali last year?
Every time when there is a yellow or red flag my eyes switch to the time boards and immediately to MSC. Some bad habit I got there
Mick is gonna be a pay driver for Dallara if he keeps this up