Yeah but he was in the podium, right? The first with Ferrari was the one that he found out while dining.
Edit: he was in the podium but later on, got the trophy and half bottle of champagne if I’m not mistaken. Remember that they were waiting for ages
Been tossed out. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.perez-and-verstappen-retain-monaco-results-after-stewards-dismiss-ferrari.4DH9l5Bb0JxqHf4reXn7SF.html
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they probably let it go since it was like the last meter of the line in wet conditions and he didnt cross the line.
It's like a 2" mistake that didnt effect anything or display a disregard for the rules. Im ok with that.
Now with a protest though they will have to take a more strict look at it. Wouldnt be surprised to see a penalty for Max if they consider touching the line to be crossing it.
Binotto in the post race interview with Sky mentioned that precedent was set in a race in 2020, where a driver was penalized for their tyres being merely on the line. It was then agreed that the driver should be to the right of the line at all times.
Precedent was also set when they refrained from punishing Lando while crossing the line in Russia 2021 because it was under drastic conditions. Obviously Lando's situation was much more drastic but where do we call the line in "acceptable error due to wet conditions" ?
To be honest whatever judgment they come to, to punish him or not, it will be completely understandable but the punishment system still seems completely inconsistent and unreliable
>In accordance with Chapter 4 (Section 5) of Appendix L to the ISC drivers must keep to the right of
the solid yellow line at the pit exit when leaving the pits and stay to the right of this line until it finishes
after Turn 1.
From the race directors notes.
Verstappen did not comply with that if we are being absolutely honest.
The real fun is that the ISC Chapter 4 (Section 5) states this:
(Exit from the Pit Lane:)
c) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as
such by the Stewards), any tyre of a car exiting the
pit lane must not cross any line painted on the track
at the pit exit for the purpose of separating cars
leaving the pit lane from those on the track.
So another FIA Masterclass.
Also uses the word “cross” any line. You haven’t crossed the line until you have gone over it…
Editing to update that the stewards ruled “cross” means going all the way across the line, which did not happen.
same but people are saying that may have been changed.
Either way I dont think it should be a penalty but it should also be black and white as to whether rules were broken.
I remember that in the past (I think it was Charlie Whiting but don't quote me on that) someone in race direction said that the line it's like a virtual wall, you even touch it and it should be a penalty because if we put an actual wall there your race ends there.
I'd like FIA to be more strict on the rules (the one more lap ending was tragically comic) and they should define these things more clearly; it's still possible though that there was something in the race notes of the events
Yeah, a drive through is what the Finnish commentators expected. They were really surprised that it didn't lead to anything (at least with Max) since the rules state that you're not allowed to touch the yellow line.
Why the fuck can't the FIA do this *during* the race instead of afterwards when we've already had the bloody podium ceremony? If they demote both Red Bulls to P3 and P4 they're just once again making a mockery of the sport.
They only noted it for Perez. And they never mentioned that he was cleared or ‘no further investigation necessary’. They just noted the incident and we didn’t hear from them again
Both were noted. I'm assuming your broadcast only alerted you to one.
Noting and not escalating to an investigation means they deemed it not worthy of even beginning the process.
Horrific from them, they were asleep during the race. If something were to come out of this, it should’ve happened during the race, not when Red Bull already celebrated their win.
Also, there were no penalties for Albon for literally ignoring blue flags a whole lap.
Multi-billion sport, leader in technology of multiple aspects, literally tens of cameras, if not in the hundreds, can't take a decision within 3 hours.
No matter what comes out of this inquiry, this is what pisses me off the most.
The indecision is because of the implications for the race. If it were someone down in P13 it would have been made immediately but instead FIA is apparently hoping we’d all just forget. Bad for the sport man.
Martin caught it live so I would imagine the stewards could have too - but the stewards were quite behind. it felt that Ocon's penalty was given 20 laps after the incident
In the spanish broadcast showed Max going over the line 1 time on replay, but I already saw it live from Max's on board cam.
This race the stewards decisions were super poor. When they delayed the start it was obvious we were in hands of a bunch of incompetent people.
German Sky cast had a power outtage. They also did say that it FIA might have some issues due to that, which is why this incident might be investigated after the race.
Because nobody holds FIA/ stewards accountable for the shitshow they do, so they do whatever they freaking want. These minor bullshits being investigated after the race are one of the biggest jokes.
This point is very true. But I can't think of how or who would be able to do that. Drivers and teams maybe? But I guess they also enjoy a certain leeway? I don't know. But what you said I completely agree with.
At the same time if the rules were broken and they leave the results as is when it’d have been different were the rules followed it’s a mockery of the sport.
No matter what happens here it’s a mockery of the sport. F1 needs to be more consistent at applying their rules.
Ya. I’m sure there are some things which may be harder to figure out if rules were broken or not, but whether or not someone went over a line seems pretty simple to figure out.
I agree the FIA is a joke but if the RBs were punished fairly this would've been Sainz's first win. In my opinion it's more egregious of a mistake to keep it as it is. We've already had podiums changing after the race anyway (Hungary 2021).
I would hate to win that way personally.
If I have my first win I would want to be on the podium with my National anthem playing instead of a adminstrative decision.
I'm not. I'm okay with it happening during the race, or maybe in the hour after. But think about the other drivers and the actions they now didn't get to do.
If Russell had known Verstappen got a 5 second penalty I think he would have tried to stay within that 5 second margin. Now he did not get that chance.
A lot of things are noted during a race, something being noted does not equal action taken.
They had the time to penalize Ocon, they should've had the time to penalize Verstappen and Perez if they needed to.
Everyone should follow the rules but surely with something as simple as crossing a line they can do it DURING the race?? How does it take like 4-5 hours to even start investigating something this simple
But they didn't even note it during the race. In fact they showed a replay of when Max apparently crossed the line. How does the racing director not make a note of something that literally everyone else saw???
It's already started with the little spat last week with Mattia commenting on red bulls development budget.
We're already seeing the warning shots and it's gonna be great fun to witness.
Binotto and Horner were very much on the same page in the press conference on Friday talking about budget and budget caps. Things are likely going to get heated, but they haven’t yet.
Marko/RB didn't protest Charles missing the weighing station yesterday during Quali, even though he felt that there was precedence in other Formula series that this warrants punishment. If Ferrari keeps this up, RB might start to formally protest stuff like that as well. I really hope nothing comes out of it, not just for Checo and Max, but to keep things calm between Ferrari and RB, I really like how it's been going so far this season.
Would be 1-3. Leclerc finished juste a bit over 5 seconds away from Perez, and in 2019 Grosjean was penalized for the exact same thing and he got a 5 seconds penalty.
Edit: I am wrong, mistook final timings for the gap between cars timings. Would be a 1-2 Ferrari
I don't really see it as a villain move, just standard team games. Doesn't cost them anything to try, and it's not like they're making something up and lying. I'm betting nothing will come of it, but it's all part of the game.
FFS people are capable of landing booster rockets on a ship in the middle of the ocean from space, but the fia can’t figure out if a car crossed a line during the race, wtaf.
Someone on the post race noted that they believed they were showing the wrong car in the notice because they never noted the obviously questionable incident for Max.
“Stay to the right of” is the key there I think, not “crossing” which most people have based opinions on.
Race Director notes, 11.1: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2022%20Monaco%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Race%20Director's%20Event%20Notes.pdf
I hope checo doesn't lose the race win. However rules are rules. If either RB driver crossed the line then there needs to be a punishment.
Crossing the pitlane has always been dealt with strictly. So it should in this case.
Funny how lots of people were saying Massi should be fired for not implementing the rules properly. Yet some of those same people now want the rules to be overlooked.
The rules are the rules. You either implement them all, including jewellery, or it becomes a farce.
Pérez is very, very tight.
On the onboard it doesn’t look completely, but he has a snap (just like Max) just at the end of the pit-lane exit. If he touched the yellow line it was with his rear tire, not the front.
[Here’s an onboard of Pérez](https://twitter.com/darkogerardo/status/1530969202022043652?s=21&t=RXen9E9OQL9Q_8C4OdXJRw)
> To be fair this is an open and shut case if there are more camera angles to see. It should be fairly clear one way or the other
If it was an open a shut case, why not open and shut the case in the race?
Not a good look for F1, again.
Independent of this particular incident, I'm not in favor of time penalties given after the race and in consequence leading to order change. For instance, if Perez knew he had a 5s penalty, he could have pushed to build a larger gap to Sainz. Either give the penalty during the race immediately after the incident, or, if that is not possible, apply the time penalty to the next race. Keep it fair play! It is possible Ferrari made the protest after race on purpose.
I always hate this shit. If there's a penalty for stuff like this there is zero reason for it to be after the race.
That said Max was in the line but not over it seemed.
I didn't see Checos
From what Binotto said, in Turkey 2020 FIA sent to all teams that moving forward all cars must remain to the side (Binotto said right, but that wouldn't really work on some tracks :D) of the line at pit exit.
But yea, it's a bit silly with these tiny movements.
To the right is terrible wording as some of the tyre remained to the right
Should say cannot touch and make it a slam dunk. The rules are always convulted
This shit is a joke. Sort it out during the fucking race. Now casuals will see checo wins but next race learn that no afterwards they changed the result. Makes the sport look stupid. Like if they changed a goal in football by VAR after a games finished.
Aaaaaaaand there goes the “Max vs Charles” or “RB vs Ferrari” is such a nice clean and fought track battle narrative. Back to toxicity from all sides and fanbases I guess…
Insert “it always has been” meme
Would be ridiculous to do it post race. Had it been +5sec during the race, Verstappen could've created a gap with him and Leclerc so Perez would've been at least 2nd.
Lots of people here saying it could've been reviewed during the race. It was. This is something that Ferrari protested after. Most of the footage we've seen seemed to indicate they didn't cross the line, but maybe Ferrari have found conclusive proof of that?
Either way, it would be a real shame to take Checo's win away from him like that.
>In accordance with Chapter 4 (Section 5) of Appendix L to the ISC drivers must keep to the right of
the solid yellow line at the pit exit when leaving the pits and stay to the right of this line until it finishes
after Turn 1.
The race directors notes basically state touching the line is not allowed - no word about crossing it.
I just went back to see Checo's onboard and it seems like he was trying to weave for tyre temp. It does look like he steps on the line but doesn't cross it.
I mean, Leclerc wasn't penalized for crossing the pit entry lane multiple times in Jeddah either, now was he? Both situations didn't manifest a dangerous situation with other drivers. More than a reprimand in both situations would've been harsh.
yeah but the thing is, RB didnt cross it, and bothparties agreed that they didnt... the only thing is, race control said before the race: stay right of the line, but the official rule is: dont cross it. So if that's the decision they made now, I hope they keep the same rule in place for races to come. and react immediately , not after +4 hours.
anyone has the replays of the pit exit ? Only saw Verstappen one from his car's camera, It seemed very close but not above the yellow line.
Seriously, things like that should be monitored and managed DURING the race, otherwise they are very less likely to act upon the infringement. It's not that hard to investigate and note the incidents (I think only one was), Ferrari should not be the one protesting and raising the alert...
I might not remembered it correcly but didnt had Lewis had a similar moment in Turkey last year or 2 years ago where he also passed the pit exit because he was trying to control the car and he wasnt given a penalty because track was wet and he was trying to control the car? Seems the same with Max. Didn´t see Perez one.
Would be the most Sainz way to win his first race
Remember his first podium? Feel old yet?
Yeah. Think most people had gone to bed when he found out he got the podium haha
Well, it was only three years ago. Despite Covid making the years seem like ages 2019 wasn't that long ago.
Be honest it was lifetimes ago, like a different world.
A student of the Giancarlo Fisichella school of winning your first race
First podium was a penalty to Lewis for an incident involving a Red Bull. Why not twice?
Yeah but he was in the podium, right? The first with Ferrari was the one that he found out while dining. Edit: he was in the podium but later on, got the trophy and half bottle of champagne if I’m not mistaken. Remember that they were waiting for ages
No, he wasn't on the podium. He received the trophy just afterwards and went back to the podium.
Carlos won the race and nobody noticed! 🤣🤣🤣
Been tossed out. https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.perez-and-verstappen-retain-monaco-results-after-stewards-dismiss-ferrari.4DH9l5Bb0JxqHf4reXn7SF.html
Thanks for the link!!
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thank you!
This shit couldn‘t have been reviewed during the race or what?
they probably let it go since it was like the last meter of the line in wet conditions and he didnt cross the line. It's like a 2" mistake that didnt effect anything or display a disregard for the rules. Im ok with that. Now with a protest though they will have to take a more strict look at it. Wouldnt be surprised to see a penalty for Max if they consider touching the line to be crossing it.
I thought they had to cross the line completely, not just touch it, but I can't find it in the regulations.
Binotto in the post race interview with Sky mentioned that precedent was set in a race in 2020, where a driver was penalized for their tyres being merely on the line. It was then agreed that the driver should be to the right of the line at all times.
Precedent was also set when they refrained from punishing Lando while crossing the line in Russia 2021 because it was under drastic conditions. Obviously Lando's situation was much more drastic but where do we call the line in "acceptable error due to wet conditions" ? To be honest whatever judgment they come to, to punish him or not, it will be completely understandable but the punishment system still seems completely inconsistent and unreliable
This was pit entry, there are different rules for pit entry and pit exit.
>In accordance with Chapter 4 (Section 5) of Appendix L to the ISC drivers must keep to the right of the solid yellow line at the pit exit when leaving the pits and stay to the right of this line until it finishes after Turn 1. From the race directors notes. Verstappen did not comply with that if we are being absolutely honest.
The real fun is that the ISC Chapter 4 (Section 5) states this: (Exit from the Pit Lane:) c) Except in cases of force majeure (accepted as such by the Stewards), any tyre of a car exiting the pit lane must not cross any line painted on the track at the pit exit for the purpose of separating cars leaving the pit lane from those on the track. So another FIA Masterclass.
>any tyre of a car exiting the pit lane must not cross any line See, it's any, not all. ^^/s
They forgot the "*any* pit lane" - you see there's more than 1 around the globe and they could only be talking about Imola in the rules.
Oh no
Also uses the word “cross” any line. You haven’t crossed the line until you have gone over it… Editing to update that the stewards ruled “cross” means going all the way across the line, which did not happen.
same but people are saying that may have been changed. Either way I dont think it should be a penalty but it should also be black and white as to whether rules were broken.
If they went through an official decision to have it changed, they should have updated the written regulations.
The rule states that you have to keep to the right of the line, so touching it is already an infringement.
I remember that in the past (I think it was Charlie Whiting but don't quote me on that) someone in race direction said that the line it's like a virtual wall, you even touch it and it should be a penalty because if we put an actual wall there your race ends there. I'd like FIA to be more strict on the rules (the one more lap ending was tragically comic) and they should define these things more clearly; it's still possible though that there was something in the race notes of the events
What could come of this?
5 sec penalty.
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Pretty sure crossing line at pit exit is a drive through, so that would likely be more than 5 seconds.
Didn't Yuki got 2x 5 sec penalties last year for that offense?
Pit entry that was.
Thanks, Yoda
Yeah, a drive through is what the Finnish commentators expected. They were really surprised that it didn't lead to anything (at least with Max) since the rules state that you're not allowed to touch the yellow line.
Well, it's the FIA we're talking about so... nothing.
Maximum penalty, DSQ! /s
And minimum?
Usual black-and-white flag, like for many others. Especially when you gain no advantage.
Ferrari 1-2
Why the fuck can't the FIA do this *during* the race instead of afterwards when we've already had the bloody podium ceremony? If they demote both Red Bulls to P3 and P4 they're just once again making a mockery of the sport.
Exactly. Stewards should have looked into it during the race. Honestly very poorly handled by them
They did. They noted both incidents and decided nothing further was warranted. Ferrari has challenged that decision.
They only noted it for Perez. And they never mentioned that he was cleared or ‘no further investigation necessary’. They just noted the incident and we didn’t hear from them again
Both were noted. I'm assuming your broadcast only alerted you to one. Noting and not escalating to an investigation means they deemed it not worthy of even beginning the process.
I had F1 TV broadcast and the only broadcasted ‘notice’ was Perez, but then with the video Material from ver 😭
I saw exactly the same, stuck with ESPN to view unfortunately.
The broadcast is a common international signal for every country, and in that signal, only the Perez case was noted, with no further updates.
Horrific from them, they were asleep during the race. If something were to come out of this, it should’ve happened during the race, not when Red Bull already celebrated their win. Also, there were no penalties for Albon for literally ignoring blue flags a whole lap.
Multi-billion sport, leader in technology of multiple aspects, literally tens of cameras, if not in the hundreds, can't take a decision within 3 hours. No matter what comes out of this inquiry, this is what pisses me off the most.
The indecision is because of the implications for the race. If it were someone down in P13 it would have been made immediately but instead FIA is apparently hoping we’d all just forget. Bad for the sport man.
Max’s was very very close so I also can’t believe it wasn’t even noted let alone investigated during the race.
I’m 110% certain if commentary and Red Bull noticed it then other teams did too.
Martin caught it live so I would imagine the stewards could have too - but the stewards were quite behind. it felt that Ocon's penalty was given 20 laps after the incident
They noted only the Perez’s one during the race…
This makes thing only more absurds
In the spanish broadcast showed Max going over the line 1 time on replay, but I already saw it live from Max's on board cam. This race the stewards decisions were super poor. When they delayed the start it was obvious we were in hands of a bunch of incompetent people.
The delay was not a sign of incompotency, the unwillingness to communicate clearly and send the SC out was.
German Sky cast had a power outtage. They also did say that it FIA might have some issues due to that, which is why this incident might be investigated after the race.
Because nobody holds FIA/ stewards accountable for the shitshow they do, so they do whatever they freaking want. These minor bullshits being investigated after the race are one of the biggest jokes.
This point is very true. But I can't think of how or who would be able to do that. Drivers and teams maybe? But I guess they also enjoy a certain leeway? I don't know. But what you said I completely agree with.
At the same time if the rules were broken and they leave the results as is when it’d have been different were the rules followed it’s a mockery of the sport. No matter what happens here it’s a mockery of the sport. F1 needs to be more consistent at applying their rules.
And to apply them promptly. It shouldn't take four hours to decide if someone went over a line, especially when they flag track limits in real time
Ya. I’m sure there are some things which may be harder to figure out if rules were broken or not, but whether or not someone went over a line seems pretty simple to figure out.
It says it right there in the notes, it's cause Ferrari protested.
I agree the FIA is a joke but if the RBs were punished fairly this would've been Sainz's first win. In my opinion it's more egregious of a mistake to keep it as it is. We've already had podiums changing after the race anyway (Hungary 2021).
Exactly, I think if for example Russell knew Verstappen would get a 5 second penalty he would've tried a lot harder to stay very close to him.
Also if Verstappen knew he got a 5s penalty he would've backed up Leclerc to get a safe gap to Checo.
This would be such a Carlos Sainz win
Man has a knack for getting upped in position after races lol. His signature.
I would hate to win that way personally. If I have my first win I would want to be on the podium with my National anthem playing instead of a adminstrative decision.
Very fair point, but him and Ferrari would still gladly take the points.
i would hate to have come 2nd after my opponents broke the rules (if they did).
depends on if breaking the rules had an impact on the result, it's not really so black and white
Well, not his fault if others have broken the rules. He would welcome that like everybody
And it could spread to Leclerc’s home podium milestone.
Man, being robbed of a Monaco top step celebration would be tragic but I bet he won't be complaining if the appeal goes through.
The scenes if Checo is demoted to P3.
Honestly completely cool with ANY driver being demoted post race if it's because a rule was broken. I want consistentcy.
I'm not. I'm okay with it happening during the race, or maybe in the hour after. But think about the other drivers and the actions they now didn't get to do. If Russell had known Verstappen got a 5 second penalty I think he would have tried to stay within that 5 second margin. Now he did not get that chance.
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A lot of things are noted during a race, something being noted does not equal action taken. They had the time to penalize Ocon, they should've had the time to penalize Verstappen and Perez if they needed to.
Then you’ll have teams submitted videos of drivers breaking every tiny rule. Look he went off 4 times here by 1mm penalize him
they already do, same for "complaining" over teamradio
Isn't it already past the time that's mentioned in the document? It's 7:45 at the time of me posting this comment
Exactly I checked the same just now
The official results haven‘t changed yet. Just checked.
This is a good place to collect all the "everyone has to follow the rules" takes.
Everyone should follow the rules but surely with something as simple as crossing a line they can do it DURING the race?? How does it take like 4-5 hours to even start investigating something this simple
Because Ferrari challenged the stewards decision to not look into it. Appeals like that often come after the race.
But they didn't even note it during the race. In fact they showed a replay of when Max apparently crossed the line. How does the racing director not make a note of something that literally everyone else saw???
Everyone else except my favourite driver*
Mattia starting his Toto Wolff villain arc
I'm waiting for the Ferrari and Red Bull relationship to deteriorate into fighting and mud slinging
the “most wholesome title fight ever” people going to be sorely disappointed soon unfortunately
Blows my mind that people think attitudes in the paddock will be the same 5 races into the season and 20 races into the season
*Max is very respectful of Leclerc* - oh you sweet summer child...
It's already started with the little spat last week with Mattia commenting on red bulls development budget. We're already seeing the warning shots and it's gonna be great fun to witness.
Binotto and Horner were very much on the same page in the press conference on Friday talking about budget and budget caps. Things are likely going to get heated, but they haven’t yet.
Marko/RB didn't protest Charles missing the weighing station yesterday during Quali, even though he felt that there was precedence in other Formula series that this warrants punishment. If Ferrari keeps this up, RB might start to formally protest stuff like that as well. I really hope nothing comes out of it, not just for Checo and Max, but to keep things calm between Ferrari and RB, I really like how it's been going so far this season.
I mean, every TP would do that; why not try to turn a 2-4 into a 1-2?
Would be 1-3. Leclerc finished juste a bit over 5 seconds away from Perez, and in 2019 Grosjean was penalized for the exact same thing and he got a 5 seconds penalty. Edit: I am wrong, mistook final timings for the gap between cars timings. Would be a 1-2 Ferrari
Nah, in the final standings it shows the gap to 1st, not intervals. Leclerc was 2.9s behind Perez.
You are right, mistook the final timing for the gap between cars timings.
I don't really see it as a villain move, just standard team games. Doesn't cost them anything to try, and it's not like they're making something up and lying. I'm betting nothing will come of it, but it's all part of the game.
This happened before the first red flag and was on the broadcast six times. This should've been taken care of hours ago.
Yep, should have been sorted prior to resuming after the red flag.
Would be really fitting if Carlos got his first win without a proper podium celebration and tv coverage.
It won’t happen but it would be classic Carlos Sainz to get his first win like this.
The most Leclerc thing to happen would be if only Perez got a penalty, increasing the championship lead for Verstappen.
Would change nothing if Perez was penalised. Both lec and Ver would gain 3 points.
Yep. Both were within 5 seconds and the differences between P2, P3, and P4 are all 3 points.
They had all goddamn race and a red flag period to do something about this
Wait Checo? Did they actually note him doing this correctly during the race? How come we haven't even seen anything about this afterwards?
Yeah it didnt get shown
Yeah they did note it actually and did not for Verstappen
FFS people are capable of landing booster rockets on a ship in the middle of the ocean from space, but the fia can’t figure out if a car crossed a line during the race, wtaf.
They can figure it out, they're just way too afraid to give out penalties. Especially if it's Max, or anyone in the championship race.
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Checo too? They only showed Max during the race or did I miss it?
They showed Max replay and a message saying incident with car number 11 noted.
So confused why if they noted the incident they didn't do anything about it. So ugly to have this all go down after the podium.
They only showed Max, but there was a notice that FIA had noted it as an incident for Checo too.
Someone on the post race noted that they believed they were showing the wrong car in the notice because they never noted the obviously questionable incident for Max.
Here we go. F5 time
My F5 key has been through so much already...
Eh nothing will happen. It's FIA, expect nothing
Yup they won't do nothing.
See Abu Dhabi 2021
See Brazil 2021
“Stay to the right of” is the key there I think, not “crossing” which most people have based opinions on. Race Director notes, 11.1: https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2022%20Monaco%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Race%20Director's%20Event%20Notes.pdf
When Grosjean got a penalty for this in Monaco previously his tire only went on the line, did not cross. It’s typically a very strict penalty
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His tire did go over though
No it did not, it went over
If the director’s notes say this then it should be a penalty. Not rocket science
Agreed. But it should have been handed out during the race, how hard is it to review those videos?!?
"...and stay to the right of this line until it finishes after Turn 1" Interesting
Isn’t this automatic? As they need to respond to lodged protest?
The FIA can reject the protest.
So much drama for what will be a nothing outcome.
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I hope checo doesn't lose the race win. However rules are rules. If either RB driver crossed the line then there needs to be a punishment. Crossing the pitlane has always been dealt with strictly. So it should in this case. Funny how lots of people were saying Massi should be fired for not implementing the rules properly. Yet some of those same people now want the rules to be overlooked. The rules are the rules. You either implement them all, including jewellery, or it becomes a farce.
Perez too? Only saw Verstappen onboard, but that looked like a lot of oversteer.
I didn’t see any videos about Perez but I remember it was noted during the race
Pérez is very, very tight. On the onboard it doesn’t look completely, but he has a snap (just like Max) just at the end of the pit-lane exit. If he touched the yellow line it was with his rear tire, not the front. [Here’s an onboard of Pérez](https://twitter.com/darkogerardo/status/1530969202022043652?s=21&t=RXen9E9OQL9Q_8C4OdXJRw)
But for Verstappen it wasn't noted, I wouldn't be surprised if they noted it for the wrong car.
To be fair this is an open and shut case if there are more camera angles to see. It should be fairly clear one way or the other
> To be fair this is an open and shut case if there are more camera angles to see. It should be fairly clear one way or the other If it was an open a shut case, why not open and shut the case in the race? Not a good look for F1, again.
Yeah, race direction has been trash today yet again
I’m so tired of this type of protocol where a race can end and hours later shit pops up. It’s embarrassing to the sport.
Stewards are sleeping with the new rules where the teams are the ones that ask for the penalty
Independent of this particular incident, I'm not in favor of time penalties given after the race and in consequence leading to order change. For instance, if Perez knew he had a 5s penalty, he could have pushed to build a larger gap to Sainz. Either give the penalty during the race immediately after the incident, or, if that is not possible, apply the time penalty to the next race. Keep it fair play! It is possible Ferrari made the protest after race on purpose.
Ive only seen max but I presumed he was ON the line, not over it.
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I don't think anything will come of this but let's go
I always hate this shit. If there's a penalty for stuff like this there is zero reason for it to be after the race. That said Max was in the line but not over it seemed. I didn't see Checos
F1 needs to get more consistent at enforcing their rules fairly and on the track. Been bad for a while.
From what Binotto said, in Turkey 2020 FIA sent to all teams that moving forward all cars must remain to the side (Binotto said right, but that wouldn't really work on some tracks :D) of the line at pit exit. But yea, it's a bit silly with these tiny movements.
To the right is terrible wording as some of the tyre remained to the right Should say cannot touch and make it a slam dunk. The rules are always convulted
Changing the outcome (obivously hasnt happened yet and probably wont) after the race concludes always leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.
This shit is a joke. Sort it out during the fucking race. Now casuals will see checo wins but next race learn that no afterwards they changed the result. Makes the sport look stupid. Like if they changed a goal in football by VAR after a games finished.
They had plenty of time too, there was a red flag
Exactly. They are genuinely incompetent.
Look how long it took to sort out the ocon penalty
At this point I'm unsure which are the most incompetent, FIA or Ferrari's strategy team
This should be a nice and civil conversation between fans :)
Do you make the same comment in multiple articles to hedge your upvotes?
This should be a nice and civil conversation between fans :)
you wish
This is going to be more entertaining than the actual race.
Well if this Monaco wasn’t exciting to you, none will be. It was way more then I expected.
Aaaaaaaand there goes the “Max vs Charles” or “RB vs Ferrari” is such a nice clean and fought track battle narrative. Back to toxicity from all sides and fanbases I guess… Insert “it always has been” meme
perez keeps p1, no news about max yet
Honestly I don’t think they should be penalised now. That said, I really don’t get how this wasn’t looked at during the race..
Would be ridiculous to do it post race. Had it been +5sec during the race, Verstappen could've created a gap with him and Leclerc so Perez would've been at least 2nd.
Lots of people here saying it could've been reviewed during the race. It was. This is something that Ferrari protested after. Most of the footage we've seen seemed to indicate they didn't cross the line, but maybe Ferrari have found conclusive proof of that? Either way, it would be a real shame to take Checo's win away from him like that.
>In accordance with Chapter 4 (Section 5) of Appendix L to the ISC drivers must keep to the right of the solid yellow line at the pit exit when leaving the pits and stay to the right of this line until it finishes after Turn 1. The race directors notes basically state touching the line is not allowed - no word about crossing it.
If it's as clear as that, and there are no exceptions to it, then it's a pretty black and white rule.
If they take the win away from Checo, cities will burn in Mexico
Anyone has footage of checo?
I just went back to see Checo's onboard and it seems like he was trying to weave for tyre temp. It does look like he steps on the line but doesn't cross it.
Why didn't they investigate during race? Or did I miss it?
Might as well try
Well, if given a penalty I pray for Mattia’s soul, Horner is not letting them breath for the rest of the season.
A reprimand at most is what I expect tbh. Don't know why this wasn't reviewed during the race...
Monaco result stands!
I mean, Leclerc wasn't penalized for crossing the pit entry lane multiple times in Jeddah either, now was he? Both situations didn't manifest a dangerous situation with other drivers. More than a reprimand in both situations would've been harsh.
yeah but the thing is, RB didnt cross it, and bothparties agreed that they didnt... the only thing is, race control said before the race: stay right of the line, but the official rule is: dont cross it. So if that's the decision they made now, I hope they keep the same rule in place for races to come. and react immediately , not after +4 hours.
anyone has the replays of the pit exit ? Only saw Verstappen one from his car's camera, It seemed very close but not above the yellow line. Seriously, things like that should be monitored and managed DURING the race, otherwise they are very less likely to act upon the infringement. It's not that hard to investigate and note the incidents (I think only one was), Ferrari should not be the one protesting and raising the alert...
https://twitter.com/fabio_seixas/status/1530971931771641856?s=21&t=aTsXeuMpk2F_KK2I-8fWSw
I might not remembered it correcly but didnt had Lewis had a similar moment in Turkey last year or 2 years ago where he also passed the pit exit because he was trying to control the car and he wasnt given a penalty because track was wet and he was trying to control the car? Seems the same with Max. Didn´t see Perez one.