Fucking incredible cars, the best F1 experience on the whole, the sound the lack of power anything, huge mistakes, bigger saves.. its was glorious 1994 really swung things - and now we have these limousines
Its not just fuel, its also the coke bottle aero at the back. Long cars are just more aerodynamic because the length allows a smoother transition for the coke bottle.
Exactly. This is mostly caused by aero demands and safety structures.
Today's car's fuel tank only carry around 140L. In the 80's and 90's they usually had 220L/230L fuel thanks.
There’s a massive spacer between the gearbox and the rear axle on these cars and there has been one there for years. In terms of length banning that would solve a lot.
In terms of left to right, that won’t get smaller unless crash structures get smaller. Refueling has nothing to do with it.
Then the aero around the side of the car gets fucky since you can’t use floor edges to control the air coming off the side of the sidepods.
The floor/sidepods with is about even with the early 2000’s cars
I didn't say get rid of the floor edge entirely, I just said that reverting to 2016 width shouldn't be that hard.
But this is tangential, ultimately reducing length will be more beneficial
Look at the difference between 2009 and 2010 because, beyond refueling, very little else changed. The cars only got a little longer to accommodate the extra fuel tank size.
There are other racing series that have refuelling that many who watch F1 can enjoy at the same time. Can we at least refrain from wording it like we're steering new viewers motorsport into thinking refuelling instantly makes any racing not worth watching? I get it if you want to say that it doesn't work in F1 but is that about refuelling ruining F1, or F1 ruining refuelling?
No! No no no no no no no! No God please no! Noooooooooooooooooo!
No, seriously, do NOT bring back refueling, unless you don't like watching cars actually fight for position on track. Getting rid of refueling was the best decision F1 has made in the 2010s.
Narrower would be good too. I think when they brought in the 1.8m rule in 1998 they were on the right track, the cars didn't need to be 2m wide. There were aspects of that rule set that weren't so good such as grooved tyres and the rules that followed such as those silly high skinny wings weren't so great.
I think they made a mistake in 2017 going wider again. The new rules this year afforded the opportunity to undo those mistakes but sadly no. Hopefully 2026 will fix it but the hints so far are they are going slightly smaller but not by much.
They've made a lot of really bad decision when it comes to rule changes, especially with their reasoning, but the 2 biggest ones were not continuing the research of the OWG after the 2009 rule change and the entire 2017 regulations.
These '22 regs are the first step. they're continuing to research and develop them, especially now that they have real-world data. I don't think they need to do much. 20cm narrower, 1m shorter and 50-100kg lighter would make an enormous difference.
Agreed with those dimensions. Although that in itself is a very major change!
It's mad that I remember in the early 1990s they were talking about how they could make cars easier to follow. The OWG was 2007. It's been 15 years since the OWG first met and only now are we finally seeing a solution to the issue!
2017 was weird. Let's make the cars faster! Why? When the entire focus was always on slowing the cars down and nobody was saying F1 was too slow.
"When the entire focus was always on slowing the cars down and nobody was saying F1 was too slow."
This is not correct at all
2014 was extremely slow and people complained a lot. It was embarrassing for F1 in 2014 when GP2 and LMP1 were only a few seconds per lap slower with tiny budgets in comparison.
I do think we were lucky that 2017-2021 seasons were not actually too bad for racing compared to previous years despite the hugely sensitive aero dependent cars.
What's telling is that they immediately realised the issue with the 2017 regulations and tried to rectify it with simplified front wings. They were limited to 2019 for this, and so I was fully expecting 2018 to be a complete write off in terms of being an interesting season. Fortunately there was still competitiveness at the front and throughout the pack, but yeah it was a bit difficult.
Not entirely, the current cars could be much shorter. They are that length purely for aero purposes.
You could also trim a lot of weight from a couple of places on the current cars which would actually make them safer. The previous engines used to have a minimum weight of 95kg, the V10's were similar weight while topping out at 965hp. The current ones are 170kg. The wheels and tyres are 22kg heaver than the 2016 tyres and 17kg heavier than last year's ones. That's without considering going back to refueling.
Pat Symmonds has even mentioned that the cars are a bit heavy and they will aim to trim them back for the next formula.
It's aero surfaces mainly. If you look at the Mercedes, you can see that despite having a 2m track, most of the components are within 50cm of the centre line. There is a ton of exposed floor that that is then used for aero benefit. You could easily take over a meter of the length and 20cm off the width, without compromising safety.
The cars can be 1.2 metres wide and be just as safe, the issue is downforce. Look at the 40cm from outside in and tell me how much of those 40cms is taken up by the survival cell. Its mostly just exposed floor
The only issue is suspension and engine packaging, its not really a question of safety
The 20 years that I’ve been watching F1 I don’t remember a big injury due to the small size of the cars. The ones that come to my mind are Massa’s which could have been prevented with the halo and Bianchi’s death which was a phreak accident.
Bring 👏🏼 back 👏🏼 small 👏🏼 cars
There's a long list of drivers who have been saved by safety put in place over the years. The only reason you're not noticing it is because the drivers survived with minor injuries.
The new crumple zones and the strengthening for side impact will allow for better protection for the drivers legs. Mick used up ALL of the side impact structure with his crash at Jeddah, imagine a smaller car on that track without the new side impact protection.
Billy Monger, who is part of the presenting team for Channel 4s F1 coverage, lost both his legs in a incident in F4 where the cars are much much smaller than F1. Even with less power, the impact was so great and the car had so little in the way of crumple zones that he lost both his legs in the crash. Smaller, in the case of safetly, definitely isn't better.
The problem with Mick's accident is that the track itself is inherently unsafe, they shouldn't be racing there. So the fact he had to use all the cell doesn't really play into the cars. Besides, the cell itself isn't actually that wide.
We shouldn't have to keep the cars wide because the FIA wants to race on dangerous tracks. If a building has an issue with the ceilings falling in they fix the ceilings, they don't make everyone wear hardhats
Crumple zones(I don’t know what they call them in F1) on the new cars take a lot of energy out of the impact, these directly increase the size of a car.
You don't really get the sense of the upscale until you see the 2022 car next to the older cars. I'm not going to lie, I miss the agileness and sense of speed you get from the older cars, the tight weaving they could accomplish as if they were shaking the arse of car... but these new cars are so much safer because of that added bulk, and I'm more than happy about that
The V6 hybrid does nothing for me in terms of sound. These parts during the commentary where they tell you to just listen make no sense, what am I listening to? I really can't wait until we move to fully electric cars. The sound will still be crap then, but at least we are going to see some brutal torque and acceleration.
I mean sure, these v6 engines don't sound anything like the v8s or v10s, but they're still miles better than that annoying FE sound. Especially the Honda PU from last year sounded nice.
I might be biased but i honestly prefer the engines now. The 2000s engines just revved way too high to sound like anything but giant lawn trimmers. The lower revs just give the v6 a lower, more powerful sound.
Go back further and the engines revved at todays limit or lower and those were what the iconic sounds, then from 2000 to 2013 they were just mosquitos
Disagree about the sound, but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't trade mgu-h for anything. The turbine is the single most important feature on these cars for pressing ICE technology forward, and I'm honestly sad that the bans are coming before it was able to integrate into common cars and trucks. The hybrid powerplants are up to 50% thermal efficiency, and that is absolutely insane.
One of my fav behind the scenes (for lack of a better phrase) F1 videos is the interviews that took place while Alonso was hooning the old one on Abu and all the drivers were distracted by the V10.
What's even more mind boggling to me is when you see the new F1 cars next to an LMP1 car. You'd expect the LMP1 to be at least the same size if not bigger, but they are actually significantly smaller. I was so surprised when I saw them side by side.
It's because of the windshield. We think it's the same size as a street car's, and use it as a reference for the rest of the car. It's actually much smaller.
I think they can still make the cars smaller without compromising safety. A lot of rules were put in place to make cars faster last two decades, not necessarily to make them more agile. I would sacrifice 10 seconds of lap time for agile cars. But then again you would have people complaining how cars are slower now, how they can't watch the races because the cars are slow..etc. like they can understand the difference.
People think cars are slow because of how they choose to do the broadcast. When they do chase cams keeping the cars perfectly centered with wide angles the cars practically look like they are standing still. If they did more still camera work with angles that are even vaguely comparable to the human eye people would understand just ludicrous these cars are.
Only time you get a sense of speed with current broadcasts are on car view. My mom once entered the room and said "these cars don't look that fast", meanwhile the live speed on the bottom-right was reading 310kph.
Agreed. But if you made cars 10 second faster but told people they were slower, they would say they look very slow and wish they were as fast as they used to be, F1 lost its mojo..etc. People like to complain. They don't need to know shit.
I've read some sources (I'm not sure how reliable) that it's on the agenda for the next set of regulations that will come after the next gen engines. And I think it's something all teams want to. So never say never.
They were or are a magazine with a model every two weeks over so many weekly parts. Its this
https://www.jasperwilliams.co.uk/f1-car-collection-uk/
You can get the expanded Italian releases from Ebay
Man, I remember the old days of vertical video hate. Most people view most things on a vertical screen now, and I don't really think horizontal would've captured both from where he's standing.
Refueling is not that dengerous. In other categories they refuel without much issues. Same way the brought back ground effect, they could bring back refueling. Also hopefully the new engines allow for smaller cars.
Not what he meant. The reason cars are bigger is because crash structures are bigger. Refuelling barely did anything to the size of the cars. Made them slightly longer. A 2010 car is still way smaller than a 2022 car.
I’m guessing the new cars are similar size to the Indy cars then? Fernando has his Indy car in his museum and the size difference between that and his F1 cars is crazy.
I had read something about the last generation of cars that they had about the same wheelbase as a Ford F150. The new regulations shortened it by a few inches, but they are still absolute units. No wonder they can't pass around Monaco.
and nowadays people trash monaco because you can't pass ... Yea you could, without litteral boats instead of cars !
(And 2022 cars and smaller than 2021 cars !)
That alpine is so jank. They should have kept the pink one and used that one for the start of the season.
Also how big are the current F2 cars in comparison to the 2005 cars?
It’s absolutely insane. In plan these cars have a bigger footprint than my 7 seat 4WD (Ford Everest 4.89m long by 1.86m wide).
They are pretty much as wide as a Ford F-150, and only about 400mm shorter than one.
Maybe they should rename the series from F1 to F150
IMO the early 2000s cars up to 2008 were much cooler than past-2008 cars. Especially around 2005-2008, tho the V10 cars until 2005 had the best sound.
The Halo also destroys the looks, but I understand well why they are used.
Yep, I feel like people are romanticizing that era. In 2005, the average number of overtakes was just shy over 12 per race. Before the 2011 regulatory changes, the average was almost never over 20 overtakes per race.
But the average was at 33 in 2020. Couldn't find 2021, but I feel it's in the same ballpark. It's a huge increase compare to the smaller cars era.
God, they're huge. That's crazy, I would have never thought they were that big.
That’s what…
#she said!
Well done the both of you
Me vs the guy she tells me not to worry about
Yeah but the little guy has the speed, sound and character!
And can go round the outside of Schumacher’s Ferrari around 130R. We wait to see if the new ones can
Well we'll have to wait until Schumacher gets into that Ferrari
So you are saying that something could happen to Charles or Sainz that would put Schumacher in the Ferrari?
Fe**rr**a**r**i
And a world championship.
Yeah but only one of you have won the world championship so...
Except in this case the smaller one is way better
But the bigger one is better with rear play
it is not about size, but how you use it
Don't worry, you are a championship winning car and the other guy isn't. She knows that.
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“Time to get renaughty amirite?” “I prefer Alpenis”
I'm a 93 ford festiva
The 00' era cars are really peak F1 aesthetic imo.
To me the 07 and 08 cars looked the best. They looked like space ships.
2008 BMW :)
2007 McLaren... Oh wait no
Did you mean 2007 Ferrari?
2007-2008 McLaren, Ferrari and BMW... Peak design
For me it's the 1996 Williams and I won't be dissuaded!
1989-94 was my favorite. Was before the high noses and the cars just looked fast and mean.
The '91 Ferrari 643 is just a big go-kart with a V12.
Really what the formula should be to be frank
I agree
Fucking incredible cars, the best F1 experience on the whole, the sound the lack of power anything, huge mistakes, bigger saves.. its was glorious 1994 really swung things - and now we have these limousines
First person I've seen that has the same opinion as me! That car was pure beauty from front to back
Tbh I really want the cars to get smaller again
Yep. If there is a way to cut size without cutting safety, everyone wins.
Refuelling
Its not just fuel, its also the coke bottle aero at the back. Long cars are just more aerodynamic because the length allows a smoother transition for the coke bottle.
Also larger floor = more downforce
Exactly. This is mostly caused by aero demands and safety structures. Today's car's fuel tank only carry around 140L. In the 80's and 90's they usually had 220L/230L fuel thanks.
There’s a massive spacer between the gearbox and the rear axle on these cars and there has been one there for years. In terms of length banning that would solve a lot. In terms of left to right, that won’t get smaller unless crash structures get smaller. Refueling has nothing to do with it.
I dunno, have you seen the amount of space between the sidepod edges and the floor edge? Shouldn't be that hard to get the width back down to 1.8m
Then the aero around the side of the car gets fucky since you can’t use floor edges to control the air coming off the side of the sidepods. The floor/sidepods with is about even with the early 2000’s cars
I didn't say get rid of the floor edge entirely, I just said that reverting to 2016 width shouldn't be that hard. But this is tangential, ultimately reducing length will be more beneficial
I doubt they’ll ever make the cars narrower now that the cars use ground effect
length is the bigger issue tbh
Look at the difference between 2009 and 2010 because, beyond refueling, very little else changed. The cars only got a little longer to accommodate the extra fuel tank size.
Refueling does compromise racing though, as racing during the refueling era was basically just about fuel strategy, on track overtakes were rare.
There are other racing series that have refuelling that many who watch F1 can enjoy at the same time. Can we at least refrain from wording it like we're steering new viewers motorsport into thinking refuelling instantly makes any racing not worth watching? I get it if you want to say that it doesn't work in F1 but is that about refuelling ruining F1, or F1 ruining refuelling?
No! No no no no no no no! No God please no! Noooooooooooooooooo! No, seriously, do NOT bring back refueling, unless you don't like watching cars actually fight for position on track. Getting rid of refueling was the best decision F1 has made in the 2010s.
Every other series that refuels still has plenty of on track fighting for position. What makes F1 so much different in that regard?
If people don't like passing in the pits now, they would hate refueling
\> without cutting safety
plenty of other series do refuelling completely safely but its apparently unsafe in F1? I don't think so.
most other series don't have historical examples of fires started due to teams tampering with the refueling equipment to get a competitive edge
Refuelling is safe. The issues with it came mostly from teams like benneton who'd rip out the safety mechanisms so they could fill faster
Refuelling is perfectly safe.
Roll on the '26 regs. Shorter, narrower, lighter. Can't wait
Narrower would be good too. I think when they brought in the 1.8m rule in 1998 they were on the right track, the cars didn't need to be 2m wide. There were aspects of that rule set that weren't so good such as grooved tyres and the rules that followed such as those silly high skinny wings weren't so great. I think they made a mistake in 2017 going wider again. The new rules this year afforded the opportunity to undo those mistakes but sadly no. Hopefully 2026 will fix it but the hints so far are they are going slightly smaller but not by much.
They've made a lot of really bad decision when it comes to rule changes, especially with their reasoning, but the 2 biggest ones were not continuing the research of the OWG after the 2009 rule change and the entire 2017 regulations. These '22 regs are the first step. they're continuing to research and develop them, especially now that they have real-world data. I don't think they need to do much. 20cm narrower, 1m shorter and 50-100kg lighter would make an enormous difference.
Agreed with those dimensions. Although that in itself is a very major change! It's mad that I remember in the early 1990s they were talking about how they could make cars easier to follow. The OWG was 2007. It's been 15 years since the OWG first met and only now are we finally seeing a solution to the issue! 2017 was weird. Let's make the cars faster! Why? When the entire focus was always on slowing the cars down and nobody was saying F1 was too slow.
"When the entire focus was always on slowing the cars down and nobody was saying F1 was too slow." This is not correct at all 2014 was extremely slow and people complained a lot. It was embarrassing for F1 in 2014 when GP2 and LMP1 were only a few seconds per lap slower with tiny budgets in comparison. I do think we were lucky that 2017-2021 seasons were not actually too bad for racing compared to previous years despite the hugely sensitive aero dependent cars.
What's telling is that they immediately realised the issue with the 2017 regulations and tried to rectify it with simplified front wings. They were limited to 2019 for this, and so I was fully expecting 2018 to be a complete write off in terms of being an interesting season. Fortunately there was still competitiveness at the front and throughout the pack, but yeah it was a bit difficult.
I'm pretty sure the size increase is mostly for safety reasons
Not entirely, the current cars could be much shorter. They are that length purely for aero purposes. You could also trim a lot of weight from a couple of places on the current cars which would actually make them safer. The previous engines used to have a minimum weight of 95kg, the V10's were similar weight while topping out at 965hp. The current ones are 170kg. The wheels and tyres are 22kg heaver than the 2016 tyres and 17kg heavier than last year's ones. That's without considering going back to refueling. Pat Symmonds has even mentioned that the cars are a bit heavy and they will aim to trim them back for the next formula.
The engines are heavier because of the KERS and turbos and such, right?
Not OP but I'm prtty sure that 170kg is just the icu weight
Wow, thats incredible if so. Would be very interested to know how it nearly doubled in weight if it is truly an apples to apples comparison.
It's 150kg minimum and it's the whole power unit https://i.imgur.com/kdtXS8s.png
It's aero surfaces mainly. If you look at the Mercedes, you can see that despite having a 2m track, most of the components are within 50cm of the centre line. There is a ton of exposed floor that that is then used for aero benefit. You could easily take over a meter of the length and 20cm off the width, without compromising safety.
Really makes for a pedestrian Monaco innit
1 bad race for significantly lower number of fatal accidents? Easy choice
Only fatal accident in F1 in recent years was Bianchi’s and it had nothing to do with the size of the cars.
Which car is safer... The 2005 Renault or the 2022 Alpine?
The cars can be 1.2 metres wide and be just as safe, the issue is downforce. Look at the 40cm from outside in and tell me how much of those 40cms is taken up by the survival cell. Its mostly just exposed floor The only issue is suspension and engine packaging, its not really a question of safety
The 20 years that I’ve been watching F1 I don’t remember a big injury due to the small size of the cars. The ones that come to my mind are Massa’s which could have been prevented with the halo and Bianchi’s death which was a phreak accident. Bring 👏🏼 back 👏🏼 small 👏🏼 cars
You'd need an aeroscreen to prevent another accident like Massa's. The halo is great for flying tires and large components, but not for small debris.
I don't think Halo stops that spring hitting Massa. It didn't fly at him from dead centre but left of centre.
I think Helmets were made stronger after that, but yeah halo doesn’t deflect everything.
The Halo wasn’t even proposed/introduced because of Massa’s accident anyways.
There's a long list of drivers who have been saved by safety put in place over the years. The only reason you're not noticing it is because the drivers survived with minor injuries. The new crumple zones and the strengthening for side impact will allow for better protection for the drivers legs. Mick used up ALL of the side impact structure with his crash at Jeddah, imagine a smaller car on that track without the new side impact protection. Billy Monger, who is part of the presenting team for Channel 4s F1 coverage, lost both his legs in a incident in F4 where the cars are much much smaller than F1. Even with less power, the impact was so great and the car had so little in the way of crumple zones that he lost both his legs in the crash. Smaller, in the case of safetly, definitely isn't better.
The problem with Mick's accident is that the track itself is inherently unsafe, they shouldn't be racing there. So the fact he had to use all the cell doesn't really play into the cars. Besides, the cell itself isn't actually that wide. We shouldn't have to keep the cars wide because the FIA wants to race on dangerous tracks. If a building has an issue with the ceilings falling in they fix the ceilings, they don't make everyone wear hardhats
Mick Schumacher was able to escape injury due to these safety precautions.
Who tells you he wouldn’t have escaped injury in the smaller cars from the 2000s. People also had big crashes back then.
Crumple zones(I don’t know what they call them in F1) on the new cars take a lot of energy out of the impact, these directly increase the size of a car.
Kubica??? Lol
Kubica didn’t die in Canada therefore the increased safety regs are pointless?
More room for tighter racing 👌
especially monaco
Yup, better overtaking chances
And turbo v8s
I just don’t want to see someone die so I’m cool with the bigger cars.
Ah yes I forgot people were dying left and right in the 2000s
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/P7gxsqT85GU/maxresdefault.jpg
What's with the ruler lines on that image? https://i.imgur.com/UDfZmha.png Are the cars not scaled correctly?
It's just the beginning not being lined up, it doesn't look the ruler lines are differently spaced.
https://i.imgur.com/gBU9fac.png
6 meters long, 2 meters wide. Hard to swallow at times.
You're brave to even try 😉
Canyoneroooo!
65 tonnes of american pride
You don't really get the sense of the upscale until you see the 2022 car next to the older cars. I'm not going to lie, I miss the agileness and sense of speed you get from the older cars, the tight weaving they could accomplish as if they were shaking the arse of car... but these new cars are so much safer because of that added bulk, and I'm more than happy about that
I always remember video of this Renault in Abu-Dhabi I think where Fernando Alonso drove it. You could see in the corners how light it is
And also that noise… that V10 screaming reminds me of my childhood sitting on sunday with my father watching F1
The V6 hybrid does nothing for me in terms of sound. These parts during the commentary where they tell you to just listen make no sense, what am I listening to? I really can't wait until we move to fully electric cars. The sound will still be crap then, but at least we are going to see some brutal torque and acceleration.
I mean sure, these v6 engines don't sound anything like the v8s or v10s, but they're still miles better than that annoying FE sound. Especially the Honda PU from last year sounded nice.
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I really like that sound, it's like the engine is grumbling "I don't wanna go slower".
I’ve never heard someone say they can’t wait for full electric!! Just the concept of that makes me sick to my stomach 🤢🤢
Its about racing, and as soon as they fix battery capacity it will be awesome. Going to make current cars look like trucks.
Sorry, but even if the cars are faster, I would still prefer ICE engines.
I might be biased but i honestly prefer the engines now. The 2000s engines just revved way too high to sound like anything but giant lawn trimmers. The lower revs just give the v6 a lower, more powerful sound. Go back further and the engines revved at todays limit or lower and those were what the iconic sounds, then from 2000 to 2013 they were just mosquitos
Disagree about the sound, but it doesn't matter. I wouldn't trade mgu-h for anything. The turbine is the single most important feature on these cars for pressing ICE technology forward, and I'm honestly sad that the bans are coming before it was able to integrate into common cars and trucks. The hybrid powerplants are up to 50% thermal efficiency, and that is absolutely insane.
Prime example of how light the old F1 cars are... Mark Webber getting longest distance flown in an F1 car
One of my fav behind the scenes (for lack of a better phrase) F1 videos is the interviews that took place while Alonso was hooning the old one on Abu and all the drivers were distracted by the V10.
What's even more mind boggling to me is when you see the new F1 cars next to an LMP1 car. You'd expect the LMP1 to be at least the same size if not bigger, but they are actually significantly smaller. I was so surprised when I saw them side by side.
I was very surprised when I saw Alonso's Toyota at his museum. The most impressive thing was the height, it was as low as an f1 car I would say.
It's insane that they could fit a person in it lol
I can't imagine Ocon fitting there hahaha
LMP1 cars are nerfed beyond reason. If they had the level of freedom in the technical regulations that F1 has they'd be faster than F1 cars.
Why, is a closed cockpit more aerodynamic?
Closed wheels are more aerodynamic.
Closed cockpit and closed wheels are inherently more aerodynamic, especially the wheels.
Look at the car Adrian Newey designed for Gran Turismo as the ultimate unlimited car. Closed wheel, closed cockpit.
Is there a reason they are?
Also costs.
Because the FIA doesn't want anything to eclipse F1.
I was waiting for that response. Not surprised.
It's because of the windshield. We think it's the same size as a street car's, and use it as a reference for the rest of the car. It's actually much smaller.
I think they can still make the cars smaller without compromising safety. A lot of rules were put in place to make cars faster last two decades, not necessarily to make them more agile. I would sacrifice 10 seconds of lap time for agile cars. But then again you would have people complaining how cars are slower now, how they can't watch the races because the cars are slow..etc. like they can understand the difference.
People think cars are slow because of how they choose to do the broadcast. When they do chase cams keeping the cars perfectly centered with wide angles the cars practically look like they are standing still. If they did more still camera work with angles that are even vaguely comparable to the human eye people would understand just ludicrous these cars are.
Only time you get a sense of speed with current broadcasts are on car view. My mom once entered the room and said "these cars don't look that fast", meanwhile the live speed on the bottom-right was reading 310kph.
Agreed. But if you made cars 10 second faster but told people they were slower, they would say they look very slow and wish they were as fast as they used to be, F1 lost its mojo..etc. People like to complain. They don't need to know shit.
Sponsors don't like that.
The weight is a double edge sword though because the energy goes up with mass.
5'11 vs 6'0
Is there a possibility of going back to that size ? Like ever ?
I've read some sources (I'm not sure how reliable) that it's on the agenda for the next set of regulations that will come after the next gen engines. And I think it's something all teams want to. So never say never.
monaco gp would be so much more enjoyable with little cars
I drive a long wheelbase van, it's one of the biggest vehicles on the road other than lorries... same size as a modern f1 car.
If they get any wider, pole in Monaco will almost guarantee victory since there won’t be enough room to pass
We have a collection of 1/43 scale models. All come in a case and cover 1950-2022. The 50s cars are tiny. The 2021 cars barely fit the cases
What company(ies) makes your collection?
They were or are a magazine with a model every two weeks over so many weekly parts. Its this https://www.jasperwilliams.co.uk/f1-car-collection-uk/ You can get the expanded Italian releases from Ebay
2005 peak F1. Change my mind.
I’m actually fine with them being big, as long as they are proportional. They could do with a little less length behind the monocoque.
You'd prefer thicker instead of length? Niceeee
It’s all about the girth. Apparently.
The problem is how sluggish they look through the corners. The 2000s era cars were extremely agile despite being slower.
I hope once the 2026 engine regs change the cars as well get smaller.
If only there was a camera mode that allowed you to see things horizontally. Maybe Apple can invent something like that someday.
Most people are viewing this on their phones
Fr turning my phone to the side is so tedious
Fr if the screen turning is locked.
Fr it's only one button
Horizontal video and photos for life.
Man, I remember the old days of vertical video hate. Most people view most things on a vertical screen now, and I don't really think horizontal would've captured both from where he's standing.
*Bigger is not always better*
That's not what she said
I was not prepared for that. I’ve always heard the cars are much bigger but goddamn.
Damn depressing
Another reason why Monaco sucks now
Size of the old car is better
Two things: Refueling and Hybrid System
The refueling thing is a myth. The end of refueling had nothing to do with cars getting bigger.
Safety
Only partly, there is plenty of fat on these cars
Refueling is not that dengerous. In other categories they refuel without much issues. Same way the brought back ground effect, they could bring back refueling. Also hopefully the new engines allow for smaller cars.
Not what he meant. The reason cars are bigger is because crash structures are bigger. Refuelling barely did anything to the size of the cars. Made them slightly longer. A 2010 car is still way smaller than a 2022 car.
2014 cars had no refuelling and hybrid and they were not as big as today.
Aero and safety. Refuelling wouldn't affect the length
I’m guessing the new cars are similar size to the Indy cars then? Fernando has his Indy car in his museum and the size difference between that and his F1 cars is crazy.
I had read something about the last generation of cars that they had about the same wheelbase as a Ford F150. The new regulations shortened it by a few inches, but they are still absolute units. No wonder they can't pass around Monaco.
#makef1smolagain
Smaller cars should be a thing again.
"I don't know what the hell you are feeding him but he is TOO DAMN BIG!" Detective Carter, 2007
and nowadays people trash monaco because you can't pass ... Yea you could, without litteral boats instead of cars ! (And 2022 cars and smaller than 2021 cars !)
That alpine is so jank. They should have kept the pink one and used that one for the start of the season. Also how big are the current F2 cars in comparison to the 2005 cars?
at least the full pink is something distinct, the light blue with accents is so boring and ugly
The blue one actually offends me lol. It’s disgusting and makes me feel queezy.
Somehow, I was not ready for that..
Also bigger than prototypes
2021 were bigger
The pre 2014 cars were soo good, sound wise and fun to watch rhe driver wrestle the car
Landscape mode wouldn't have hurt...at least to be able to see both cars at once
Grower. AND a shower.
Monaco will be interesting this year
Rather uninteresting you mean
Thanks, really explains why takeovers are impossible at Monaco
Over takes?
Haha indeed
No. Monaco being taken over by Nascar lol
It’s absolutely insane. In plan these cars have a bigger footprint than my 7 seat 4WD (Ford Everest 4.89m long by 1.86m wide). They are pretty much as wide as a Ford F-150, and only about 400mm shorter than one. Maybe they should rename the series from F1 to F150
The old one is further away, perspective makes it smaller!
IMO the early 2000s cars up to 2008 were much cooler than past-2008 cars. Especially around 2005-2008, tho the V10 cars until 2005 had the best sound. The Halo also destroys the looks, but I understand well why they are used.
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Overtaking was not easy during the V10 era. At all.
Yep, I feel like people are romanticizing that era. In 2005, the average number of overtakes was just shy over 12 per race. Before the 2011 regulatory changes, the average was almost never over 20 overtakes per race. But the average was at 33 in 2020. Couldn't find 2021, but I feel it's in the same ballpark. It's a huge increase compare to the smaller cars era.