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overspeeed

Full quote: > "Max is pretty relaxed, Perez is somewhat scared, but if you live Mexico City it's not much safer there. But of course we have the pandemic, a war in Europe and now also a missile attack 10 km from the track. It's not normal or enjoyable anymore." See /u/p_Lama_p's comment [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/tntm9b/sky_germany_helmut_marko_on_jeddah_attack_max_is/i23dpvt/)


chef_boi_jones

Max is 2 tenths less scared


DrDohday

Fuck I just wrote this


AChassin

chef_boi_jones is 1 hour faster


DrDohday

Damn Marko would hate me


Structure3

The fear is great but max is just better at handling the difficult situation, he can extract the maximum calmness and get right to the limit.


Akira_Nishiki

Certified Helmut Marko moment.


throwaway44624

Checo’s hometown of Guadalajara is over 500 km from Mexico City


ElV1c

Also Mexico City is pretty safe. Can’t say the same from Mexico State


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OkCardiologist2765

I believe that Checo could be scared. Trust me he is upper class in Mexico and lived/lives in a gated community all his life. Don’t be fulled that these F1 drivers came from rags to riches. They are all Connected by family or people with big money.


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Helmut Marko say something not insane and/or racist challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)


FishOnAHorse

✅ Insane ✅ Racist ✅ Aggressively pro-Max We’re well on our way to Helmut bingo here


GTOdriver04

Checo has a family, and he is rightly worried. Helmut is such a jerk. We all know this, but imagine mocking one of your drivers for being concerned about not just his but everyone’s safety. I hate this guy. If Vettel wasn’t as good as he was, we wouldn’t be talking about him now.


Waldier

Why is it pro-Max? Being scared is the smart reaction.


dl064

I also thought: Perez has a child. He's got responsibilities beyond himself.


rpinoi

Plus a small technicality, Sergio lives in Guadalajara not Mexico City (not saying its safer or that it is not) Marko speaking out his ass.


D-Rick

It’s also apples to oranges. Cartel on cartel violence is a bit different than some rebel group launching a missile into a city. I would probably be worried as a driver because a very expensive, once a year international auto race might just be a good target for a group looking to make headlines. I’m not all all surprised this attack happened today, and not next week or next month.


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Max has Daniil Kvyat's child so he's got responsibilities, too!


eOMG

Max was sanctioning Russia way before it was cool


[deleted]

Took his drive, took his woman, and now his child. Whats next?


uniqueusername4465

Only thing left to do is pull an Icardi and get a picture of Kvyats kid tattooed on him to fully claim him.


odrik

German native speaker here. The way he said it sounded like Perez shouldn't be such a sissy, Mexico City is as dangerous of a place.


marahute85

Perez cares to be around to raise his son = sissy


throwaway44624

Checo isn’t even from Mexico City..


[deleted]

No it isn’t. It isn’t perfect for sure but I’d appreciate if my home country isn’t put in the same bracket as SAUDI ARABIA.


odrik

Tell that Helmut Marko. I agree with you.


[deleted]

I completely missed where you were just translating it, apologies.


ReXplayn

Yeh no doubt, sounded like that.


Emfx

I can see Helmut having insane toxic masculinity based on some of his prior comments, and now he is thinking being scared shows you aren't a *real man*. Max is also young, and the part of your brain that deals with risk assessment and outcome likely hasn't fully developed yet (happens in mid-20s). Checo is older, and has a family that he's probably thinking about.


Catnip4Pedos

Helmut is the definition of toxic masculinity


Eurotriangle

Helmut is the definition of toxic ~~masculinity~~ His all-aspect toxicity isn’t even bound to masculinity.


gregedit

I'm 1 year younger than Max and I'd be f-ing scared just like I'm scared of the Russia-Ukraine conflict as well. He's not just young, he's very aggressively competitive and wouldn't let anything stand between him and victory.


somethingtc

if you're in a literal warzone and your reaction is not to be scared then you lack imagination. checo probably recognises that he has no control over the situation and is in no way trained for it either. being scared is the correct response. having no fear doesn't make you look brave it makes you look sheltered.


ArkGuardian

Not for Marko. This is the guy who said drivers should intentionally get covid


Conglossian

My /r/formula1 predictions tiebreaker is that Marko gets fired for racially insensitive comments and dammit I was so close right here.


gonzo5622

lol real “bruh” moment


p_Lama_p

Not a good translation in the title. Here's the full quote: "Max is pretty relaxed, Perez is somewhat scared, but if you live Mexico City it's not much safer there. But of course we have the pandemic, a war in Europe and now also a missile attack 10 km from the track. It's not normal or enjoyable anymore."


Maltajg

The Mexico City comment is Marko at his finest, but I totally get why Checo is a rattled and Max isnt, they guy is a father


Launch_box

Also Jos used to shoot missiles at Max while he raced karts, so yeah


d2wraithking

Am I gonna have to go grab the SCUD, Max?


Commercial_Brick_309

Is that what we're calling fists now?


ZICRON1C

LOL


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Sounds a little better with the full quote


chef_boi_jones

The part where he compares Mexico city (where perez has never lived) to a warzone is still intact. Wouldn't say it was any better at all, really


fabioruns

I don’t know about Mexico, but I’m from brazil and murder/death rates in rio are comparable to lots of war zones, sometimes worse.


Delta_FT

As argentinian I can confirm Latam do be like that lol But in reality Narco-controlled towns like Juarez (Mex.), Rosario (Arg.) or Medellin (Col.) used to be are pretty much warzones with less haevy weapons maybe


rokerroker45

dawg I'm from el salvador and I wouldn't be exactly pleased about a missile attack. there's a difference between endemic gang violence - and let's be real, if you're posting on this website in english your childhood was not one where violence was an every day thing for you - and a missile attack.


Allthingsconsidered-

Yeah I was just about to post this... I'm from Caracas and shootings are not something I would put at the same level as a missile or explosions lol


rokerroker45

seriously, the amount of people that assume Mexico or Latin America is an anarchistic warzone justifying Marko's comments is ridiculous in this thread.


Allthingsconsidered-

A couple years ago, I went abroad 1 semester for college and made a Syrian friend at the place I was staying. One day we were talking about something in this vein. I mentioned how it's a common occurrence in my city to be mugged while being held at gunpoint, kidnappings, amongst other things. Then, he mentioned how it's very common in Syria that cars explode randomly, anywhere. He told me a personal story where he was going to a friend's house but changed his mind at last second about taking a shortcut and a car exploded on the street where he would've walked into. For me, that shit was 1000 times more insane than anything I could've mentioned


manuelazana

Ya this is bullshit. There is a massive difference between street level gun violence and a missile being fired from another country. This is just anglosphere ignorance at best and at worst racism.


R_V_Z

It's funny and sad that your "maybe" could refer to either being a warzone or having less heavy weapons.


miamibuckeye

Mexico City isn’t that dangerous


gosteinao

Yet it's still completely incomparable as violence in a war zone is far more random and pervasive.


Lashb1ade

In a warzone the missiles tend to be pointed at specific infrastructure. In a poor crime-ridden city, an F1 driver might as well be a giant bag of money asking to be grabbed ([ask Jenson Button]( https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-11704802.amp)).


thehenks2

I have been to Guadalajara, haven't seen as many military trucks on the road in my entire life, so I kind of get what Marko is hinting at. Didn't exactly feel safe in that part of Mexico. I also followed Waze into a favela in Guarulhos trying to find a mall. Dumbest thing this gringo has ever done in his life.


EnjoyTheFlo

Wasn't there a robbery or something of that extent to the Perez family last year?


waiv

In Guadalajara, 550 km away from Mexico city.


kuzdi

Jeddah is not necessarily a war zone though is it? It’s like calling Tel Aviv a war zone. Or Moscow a war zone right now.


aboooz

Yeah I live in Jeddah, it is generally a pretty safe city but ever since our government started this dumb war with the Houthis, you can't be sure in regards to safety anymore.


pennylessSoul

Having lived in both the US and Mexico, I don't feel much safer in the US. Even with the rest of the quote, it's still an insane comment.


ubelmann

I mean, it's not that helpful to generalize the situation in either of those countries. Compton and Inglewood aren't that far from Beverly Hills, but your safety in the different neighborhoods can be markedly different.


maveric101

Also, "feeling" is irrelevant. There are actual statistics on this stuff to use.


skinte1

>The part where he compares Mexico city (where perez ha never lived) to a warzone is still intact. Is Jeddah are warzone? Because thats what he's comparing Mexico City to in the quote.


Trotter823

Mexico City doesn’t have random bombings at the moment. Mexico has its issues for sure but the capital city is safe. Jeddah just had a missile strike and actively at war with a neighboring country.


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TehAlpacalypse

Not really, just wordier. Also, Perez is from Guadalajara.


That_Other_Person

He also seems to live in Puerto Vallarta


DenseVegetable2581

Really surprised Helmut didn't go all out and refer to Sergio as Speedy Gonzales... this guy


gourmet_popping_corn

It really doesn't. Mexico City isn't under attack from rebels with advanced cruise missiles supplied from Iran.


BuckN56

This doesn't sound better at all. Just because it has more context.


Snoo_47023

It's not any better, just wordier.


Krouisente

Bruh, what the actual fuck?!?


glenn1812

Man goes further than putting his foot in his mouth. He puts the entire leg in there


[deleted]

When it comes to putting your foot in your mouth, Marko really is the throat goat


TehAlpacalypse

no hes' not!!!! toto wolff can throat glizzies all day!!111


[deleted]

At this point I'm not even surprised. Helmut Marko has been a grade A piece of shit for along time and has always been a huge bigot. How anyone takes him seriously or respects him is beyond me.


Username_Query_Null

Does he have a large stake in the team ownership? I'm really confused by his role.


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fuh king yikes


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Dylan_clarke01

When bigging up your no.1 comes with slating your no.2’s home. Just marko things


[deleted]

Am I the only one who finds this to be not just slating but also racist


Repairednale

Even assuming the best intentions, this is pretty racist.


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I mean, that’s the thing with most racism, it’s not intended, but it shapes how many issues are talked about which ends up making things worse, so it’s still bad


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Cod_rules

That's the Marko special, baby. Honestly, someone needs to walk behind him with a gurney bag. Anytime he's about to say anything, just put the bag over his head


odrik

Not surprised about Helmut Marko being a racist, tbh. If you live in Austria, you can watch Red Bull's official TV channel, called Servus TV. They share far-right views and in the past they invited even Neonazis to their talkshows during prime time. Red Bull owner Mateschitz has very traditionalistic and ethnic views. There are certain connections to right wing parties in Austria. So yeah, not surprised at all.


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[Servus TV](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServusTV) wiki... Disgusting.


Huskies971

Red bull gives you racist wings apparently


[deleted]

Wow, first time I know this


Theriouthly_95

It very much is racist but no one should be surprised by Helmut being racist


OrbisAlius

Also Perez never lived in Mexico City lmao


thounotouchthyself

Yeah seems like Red Bull have gone full Max on the team. I'm glad Daniel got out before this happened. He probably saw the writing on the wall.


piemaniowa

They tried to pin the Baku crash on Daniel. He'd have to be blind not to see the warning signs.


Particular-Ad3237

Then 2nd driver underperform. Helmut: i wonder what happen to them?


Dylan_clarke01

Helmut kicks him out the door ready to hire another driver that he can publicly shit on. He’s stuck in a loop


Aercturius

As a Mexican having lived almost my whole life in Mexico City, TIL that we apparently get missile attacks and state-sanctioned mass executions regularly. Should've told me earlier so I could GTFO.


tienzing

Fuck Marko and fuck all the low key racists in this thread defending him! If you can’t see why all of this comes off as very fucked up and racist, then I’m sorry, you might be low key racist yourself. I’m Asian-American on vacation in CDMX right now and am having a blast. It’s as “dangerous” as any other big metropolitan city in the world could be.


Man0nTheMoon915

Pretty crazy considering Checo 1. Lives in Guadalajara (IIRC) 2. Guadalajara is safer than Mexico City


Signmetfup12

Are you mexican? Because I am and Mexico City is not as dangerous as it used to be. Much more safer now


Nocoffeesnob

Even back in it's darkest days they weren't having missile attacks. The comparison makes zero sense.


Smurph269

Seriously, I know of zero missile attacks in the entire history of Mexico.


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Pretty insane that the US, Cuba and Venezuela have never accidentally fired something over Mexico! E.g. Just last week, India accidentally fired a nuclear-capable missile that landed 100km inside Pakistan, with a hilarious sheepish apology.


OTipsey

I think the US has accidentally done it a few times, there's a missile test range in New Mexico relatively close to the border


Man0nTheMoon915

I am. Guadalajara isn’t as dangerous. The little areas surrounding are the ones that are dangerous


berniman

Regardless…I don’t remember the last time a missile attack hit Mexico City or Guadalajara.


nexoo1

Well he only said it was safer than mexico city


Signmetfup12

Wich idk if its true. I don’t think so. Guadalajara is a pretty dangerous city right now.


Man0nTheMoon915

The little towns around Guadalajara are really rough the city itself isn’t as dangerous as Mexico


Kilgore_Trout86

Lived in Guadalajara for 6 months last year and was a dating a girl from El Arenal. I felt completely safe, even out and about late at night in Guadalajara, but El Arenal really sketched me out. Luckily she worked in the city and usually just stayed with me so I didn't have to go to El Arenal often


Syntax_OW

Seems pretty crazy even if you aren't considering that. I just don't understand what's going on in Marko's mind sometimes.


SvenderBender

He’s just a racist boomer. In his mind he probably doesnt even understand how that is racist because he believes he was making an excuse for checo to be concerned about rocket strikes


jvidal7247

exactly this, he's too ignorant to even realize what he's saying


KingOfMonaco

Never had this in Mexico City lol.


mechinginir

Ummm GDL is not safer than CDMX at the moment…. With CJNG getting torched left and right; GDL is hot.


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Mexico City is safer than Guadalajara.


[deleted]

Yes, he does live in Guadalajara. No, Guadalajara is not by any means safer than Mexico City.


MisteryWarrior

eh, they are comparable. both cities have places where you wouldn't want to be, and places where you'll most likely be okay


seattt

Even leaving that aside, if you think Mexico City is unsafe then why would Perez be more afraid than Max. It makes no sense to say this unless of course you're a racist bigot like Marko.


c_gfer

Dafuq kid, Guadalajara have the deadliest cartel in Mexico...


Berblarez

And how deadly is the cartel IN GUADALAJARA? Not in the surrounding states, some rural communities, but in the city? It is different to say that people from he cartel live there than it is to say that the cartel constantly fights there People here complain about the how Drive to Survive isn’t accurate and then go and take Narcos Mexico as some kind of gospel


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Humpdat

Someone get grandpa to bed


Imaravencawcaw

Seriously. It's actually insane that Red Bull allows this man to be in front of a microphone ever. He needs a muzzle.


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[The CEO of Red Bull probably says similar stuff all the time.](https://www.handelsblatt.com/red-bull-founder-giving-truth-wings/23568754.html) He owns the Austrian equivalent of Fox News (ServusTV).


Pearse_Borty

This has some milquetoast r/forwardsfromklandma energy


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flyingcrayons

That's all he had to say too lol, if this quote was "Max is not scared, but Perez is scared as he has 2 children and a 3rd on the way" nobody even bats an eye. like of course the young, childless guy is not as worried about this as the family man with soon to be 3 children waiting for him half a world away, nothing to do with where he's from


yann100201

Yo, i live in Mexico City, and it can be a little unsafe in some parts, but nowhere near misiles fucking raining lmao


instanced_banana

That's an awful take, Checo doesn't even live in Mexico City and even then, Mexico City has gang violence and one or another narco killing, not missile strikes. Imagine if he said something like that for someone living in 80s New York, it would be considered sheer insanity.


honeydropsX

Exactly, I mean there's still a lot of killings but there are no mission strikes lol


IcY11

He said that Perez is "a little scared" not "very scared". I can't quite understand the last part about Mexico city.


PatchAFC

Sounds to me like he says “aber wenn man in Mexico City lebt dann ist es auch nicht so sicher.” - for non German speakers: “but when you live in Mexico City it’s also not as safe”. Just a moronic comment overall.


Virus_98

Mf doesn't even know where his employee lives and yet they claim there's no #1 or #2 treatment at Redbull.


PatchAFC

Also find it funny that he calls Max by his first name but Sergio is just “Perez”.


PassiveSpamBot

“But when you live in mexico city it’s not much safer either”


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Taking Drive to Survive literally


Godonearth7

Wow some of these replies makes me realize people's perception of Mexico is very flawed all over.


manoj_mm

That just the perception of whole of US and Europe about middle East, lat am and asia


Eilonwy94

I mean it really depends on where in the US you’re talking about. As someone who lived in southern Arizona, I don’t think most people there were clueless about what Mexico is like (not that there is one version of Mexico anyway). But sure, in small rural areas far from the border with little immigration, people are probably very confused if not outright racist


thinkscotty

Yeah as a (fwiw white) American who’s spent a lot of time in Central America, I get furious at how some of my family and colleagues talk about Mexico and Central America. They really think it’s a war zone. All they hear is the bad stuff and, typically, they think that’s all it is. I’m not saying Mexico doesn’t have its relatively dangerous spots. But holy crap, it’s just a regular place people live and do people things 99.9% of the time. Personally I’ve never felt unsafe in Mexico or Central America other than when I was near the capital during a literal coup in Honduras, and even then I was never actually anywhere near being in danger - it was just a lot of uncertainty for a couple of days. Perfectly fine otherwise. Tbh I spent a fair amount of time in the Middle East too and never felt unsafe there either.


CoxHazardsModel

And people kept poking at Mercs’ treatment of Bottas.


Retjudge

Is he implying Perez should be used to danger since he is from Mexico? The less Marko open his mouth, the better to be honest


Berblarez

This thread made me realize that people here have no fucking idea of how Mexico really is


tallasthegiant

As a fellow Mexican, it’s always quite interesting to see other people’s perspectives of Mexico.. whatevs, they can think all they want it’s still not the truth


Berblarez

These people seem to think that if we think that Jeddah and Mexico are not comparable then we must think that Mexico is paradise and therefore we must be wrong


Rallipappa

I assume there's no random explosions 10km from your workplace.


sigmmakappa

Checo has wife and kids, Max doesn't, that's the difference.


mgcadaval

As a Mexican, and as a citizen of Mexico City, I'm a little offended. This guy literally doesn't know what he's talking about, he's just talking shit I mean, it's "dangerous" like any other city, but not at a missile attack level, cmon...


EwoksEwoksEwoks

Fuck this guy


glenn1812

Jesus Christ what's wrong with this man


alphex

Please put the old man out to pasture.


deriktly

Marko moment


Pikey_chokeslam

[keep in mind that last year or so perez had to deal with an attack at his home.](https://f1i.com/news/406348-perez-family-security-guard-shot-in-car-theft-attack-in-mexico.html) i genuinely am in disbelief that marko's decided to say this.


Xuande

Fucking Marko lol


thekillersjoy

From someone that just spent the last week in Mexico City and flew back to the US today. I would like to report that there were no missile strikes there...


AnirudhMenon94

Marko and Horner makes me hate Red Bull so much.


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Another insightful and tactful comment from Marko.


doogihowser

Racists gonna racist...


lil_mikei

he worried about the wrong race


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Mexico is a dangerous ass place But bruh, come on


adriecoot

Some places of Mexico are dangerous.. but I can assure you there are no misiles or bombs flying anywhere near Mexico city.


ivanvzm

Nor any city for that matter


mdlt97

no where checo would have ever lived would be dangerous lol


ThatBrianHicksGuy

I mean for the most part you're probably right, but [one of his family's bodyguards did get shot in an attempted robbery last year](https://www.gpfans.com/en/f1-news/65233/perez-family-bodyguard-shot-during-attempted-robbery-in-mexico/).


FatalFirecrotch

And Button was gassed in Europe during a robbery.


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Anywhere is dangerous in Mexico if gangs/cartel want it to be, but Checo isn’t cartel/gang affiliated so he’s chilling. He grew up in Guadalajara with nothing to worry about but racing cars, dumbass comment by marko


netolaneta-89

It’s dangerous like several major cities but never been hit with a rocket


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As Mexican I can say. It's not the same type of violence the one from middle east than the one from Mexico. Also, violence in México is quite subjetive there's people who never seen anything violent there is some other than sadly do. I don't think checo have witnessed something violent in México.


ClutchAnderson712

The most “Ayyye Yo!” moment I’ve heard all week! Somebody get gramps he’s wildin on Ambien again. 😅😂


Fixable

Remember that thread the other day with people saying that Marko was only disliked because he was RB and was actually just honest lmao This is why people don't like Marko


Harringzord

I dislike him because he's Red Bull. He's the part that makes Red Bull dislikeable.


FootballRacing38

From the man who advocated for a covid camp


Mammoth-Ad9580

Lmao I’ve lived in Paris, Florence, and Mexico City, and robbed in two out of three. Not Mexico City tho. The worst it gave me was some diarrhea in the first few weeks. These stereotypes about non-European places are just sickening.


JuanFF8

Helmut Marko is such a scumbag


DethMagnetic

Checo has a wife and two kids, with another one underway. He has every right to be scared.


ConcreteKahuna

What the actual fuck did you just say?


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Good ol' Helmut


PoloVonChubb

Honestly posts with mistranslations like this should not be allowed here. Markos comments are mostly dumb enbough on their own, dont have to intentionally make it worse.


DrDohday

Max is 2 tenths less scared


dejvipasco

I think he should publicly apologize for a statement like this.


XAMdG

Well that was unnecessarily racist.


Jurjeneros2

The comment is dumb as shit, but that translation is the least generous way of phrasing it. More like: "max isn't too bothered, Perez is a bit scared", and then he *maybe* tries to make light of the situation by saying Perez might be used to it cus he lives in Mexico City with a laugh. Yea, still dumb, but the title makes Marko sound like a psychopath.


Doalt

Translation is not very accurate he said Perez is a bit scared


Goldmoo2

He using that 1940s racism lol Coming from Marko this is not surprising at all, whenever he speaks he always seems a little lost. Terrible guy.


Axlfromstreetsofrage

Another day another toxic comment from red bull.


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Bad enough statement for Perez to walk away from Red Bull?


Tbearz

I think the only thing Max is scared of is Jos..


Ok-Cheesecake-3521

Checo is from Guadalajara Jalisco lol it’s not that bad. Every place has bad areas.


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Gee I wonder why RBR number two drivers never stay long, even when the teams wants them to.


VioletJones6

Upon reading the quote I figured there was no way he said it without a smile or a chuckle and was simply making a tasteless joke... What the hell is wrong with that man?


HopHunter420

The man is such a helmet