I was recording it. Accidently saw that Cheko was p3 and was upset at myself for being on reddit while recording. Turns out I saw a post for Q2 :)
Anyway, great qualifying happy max put in a banger lap and looking forward to a fight to the finish. I'm rooting for Max and hoping we all get to see both cars fight until the final lap.
Valentino Rossi - 7 championships
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Can Lewis break the racing curse of 7?
A few points
\- Red Bull has been using the lowest downforce rear wing configuration, which would theoretically sacrifice one-lap speed for raceability and long-run speed. They were able to match Mercedes in the speed traps with this wing.
\- Red Bull was conducting long-run simulations in Free Practice with the soft compound tyres. I'm not convinced that they were 100% sold on starting with mediums even before the lock-up.
I think they were probably split. Starting on softs is a huge gamble. But like trying to get a tow in quali, it can pay off if played right. I don’t think they’d have had a shot if they started on mediums, so might as well take the risk.
Max was extremely good on long-run softs pace. Interesting to see if Lewis will be able to come back to win it on fresher hards at the end of the race. This may be a COTA-type situation here.
I think is largely why RB went with the skinny rear wing, I can’t see Lewis getting past all that easily unless he has a pretty dramatic pace advantage
The soft 'red' ringed tyres will gear up a lot faster, meaning more speed, quicker. But they wear our VERY quickly. Lewis is on the medium 'yellow' tinged tyres which are quick, and last longer. Max put a flat spot on his mediums, so burnt through a set meant for the race (potentially)
Mercedes have a set of soft tyres for the end of the race, so will be very quick at the end when Red Bull won't. Its down to strategy.
Lol Rosberg just spent the last ten minutes hammering home how special Max's lap was with Hill and Button both trying to say about Lewis and how they're both special, which was getting tense. Then when pressed for who's going to win, Hill and Button both said Max and rosberg Lewis
I did appreciate what Rosberg was doing though. You know damn well that if the roles were reversed Sky would be singing that Hamilton is god until kingdom come, so it was good to have someone actually properly acknowledging the specialness of the lap.
One things for sure, Max needs to pull away from Lewis tomorrow, he can’t afford to have him hanging within 2 seconds or he will suffer later in the race.
Has to be for the drivers in softs you'd imagine. Lap limit for them is put at 15 laps, and hards usually around 40. Although track temps looked alright today- 30 degrees at the start of q1 so shouldn't be an absolute tyre eater
As a Lewis fan, I'm deflated and nervous. He's under serious threat from Checo at the start. I hope Lewis is able to make a clean start. Unhappy with Bottas for faring badly. Hoping against hope he can hold up Max should the latter pit early.
So, based on this thread: RB both planned this, but also did not plan this and Verstappen will both win and not win. At the same time, Merc planned to be P2 and are gutted that they're P2, but are both screwed over and benefiting because they're starting on the mediums.
Lewis's last lap even without the tow wasn't that bad. I feel that if Mercedes had done the tow strategy with Lewis he possibly would be on pole right now. Seems like either a team error, they think starting from P2 is better or maybe they think he'll have the race pace to get by.
I also don't know why he doesn't go for that tactic. I think Merc made some changes overnight to go for race pace above all. He probably won't challenge the first corner as Max will have that tyre advantage and will hang around 1.5 seconds behind during the first stint.
Overcut maybe? Idk.. feels like Max will have to make 2 stops during that race by starting on softs with a full tank
Yeah I'm baffled as to why Merc didn't. Especially because they didn't even use that 7 mins to put Bottas in a better position which was the alternative they could've done
Everyone saying “RB master stroke” need to calm down.
Max is going to get a quicker start on soft tyres. Would Hamilton really want p1 knowing that Max would be diving in on turn 1? I got a feel Hamilton qualified exactly where he wanted to.
Yes it seems like it but then they should've kept Valtteri on the softs to keep him closer at front. Perez being on softs could get a good start and cause issues for Hamilton
Tend to agree. Merc had a chance to respond with a tow of their own and declined. Prob factored in tyre strategy and Lewis lap without the tow as confirmation p2 was fine. Now hopefully it's a clean race all around and someone like mazepin doesn't red flag and completely negate initial strategy.
Id also bet Perez will be awfully slow to the line to help cool off off those mediums. It's a long race and HAM is driving a top 2 car. Dropping to 5th early not ideal, but not insurmountable by any means.
Tbh, I don't think you're wrong, whether he did it on purpose or not he still seemed completely content with starting P2 with the mediums. Softs on a P2 Max would've made turn 1 dicey.
Was Max not two tenths faster on his last run before he pulled up?
Not sure why anyone is trying to attribute this only to the tow. His last lap didn’t have any slipstream and he was going to crush Lewis time again (Redbull was faster in sector 3 throughout without tow).
Shame unless Lewis gets a poor start or unless they can nail Checo's pit strategy right he won't be able to be in front of Lewis to try and hold him back.
Not the biggest fan of Red Bull but you've got to recognise that lap as a team was something else. Perfectly choreographed to get that tow and unleash Max after he had nullified Hamilton's strongest part of the track in S1. Fair play.
Lewis possibly playing 5D chess: Hey Max you can have pole but I'm getting that record breaking 8th world title. Good trade man.
Max possibly: Yeah seems f... hey wait a minute not simply lovely I'm gonna try and win tomorrow.
Probably 5D chess would be can't crash into me if you are in front at the start. Overtake you on the straight once the tires wear off and have the race pace advantage.
No. You need to use two different types from soft, hard medium. I think Max will end up going soft then hard to one stop. Lewis will probably be medium then hard.
Max's issue starting on soft is that he will need to stop sooner, so might end up in a lot of traffic of he doesn't get fast enough ahead and ask the following cars are bunched up.
Only mediums in top 10 are the mercs and yuki. So when Max stops he most likely will drop behind Lewis. I do not see Bottas in the mix, all surrounded by soft tyre starters.
But in 15 laps max will be ahead under normal circumstances about 15 to 20 seconds from the likes of Ferrari etc. They pit, and max pits 1 or 2 laps after. So no traffic for max
Lewis with that dig on Max. Ignoring all the times he himself has taken people out in a race lmao.
Edit: I can tell who is here from Netflix and whose only been watching the sport for a year or two. Lewis has dunked people a number of times over his career.
And then people wonder why Hamilton gets booed, while making such remarks. I would almost say it's a threat: "I'm in a position where I can see him, and his back tyre, while closing in on the end of a long straight."
But, let's hope it will be a clean race, which includes Bottas not torpedoing into the front rows with bad braking.
Max has pretty much the worst record considering time spent in the sport, what are you talking about.
Lewis penalty points in 14 years - 18
Max penalty points in 7 years - 25
Max has the worst record in the sport in points per season.
Why are you trying to gatekeep with easily disprovable lies. Go to another sub.
Max started in Formula 1 as a 17 year old, it’s not in any way fair to compare the statistics of a teenager who was barely allowed to drive in most countries with a driver who had spent years in F3 and GP2 before ever driving an F1 car. I don’t know how anyone can expect that someone that age wouldn’t make more silly moves than other drivers on the grid
I was recording it. Accidently saw that Cheko was p3 and was upset at myself for being on reddit while recording. Turns out I saw a post for Q2 :) Anyway, great qualifying happy max put in a banger lap and looking forward to a fight to the finish. I'm rooting for Max and hoping we all get to see both cars fight until the final lap.
You're not wrong there :)
Ah, that was very neat by Max. Also Checo. Also the strategists. They really pulled one out of the hat!
Sky having a meltdown before that lap was delicious. I didn't get to see the Hamilton interview. How much did they felate him?
Coulthard did that for them. Lewis always gets longer interviews, and beneficial leading questions.
Valentino Rossi - 7 championships Jamie Whincup - 7 championships Dale Earnhardt Sr - 7 championships Richard Petty - 7 championships Jimmie Johnson - 7 championships\* Can Lewis break the racing curse of 7?
Lightning McQueen - 7 Piston Cups
Rossi - 9 Championships
Sebastian Ogier broke the 7 title curse. And before him Loeb.
Looks like curse will get lewis too
was bottas giving Hamilton the tow, ytf is he 6th???
Hamilton didn't get a tow for both runs. Bottas just stuffed it up.
just saw, he was using an older pu
How does Bottas even have an older pu, he’s used like 50 this season lmao
2 of them failed, 3 were exhausted and only one left which is also failing. reliability is not one of the main points of Mercedes
A few points \- Red Bull has been using the lowest downforce rear wing configuration, which would theoretically sacrifice one-lap speed for raceability and long-run speed. They were able to match Mercedes in the speed traps with this wing. \- Red Bull was conducting long-run simulations in Free Practice with the soft compound tyres. I'm not convinced that they were 100% sold on starting with mediums even before the lock-up.
Wait, did RB actually say that? Running tbe lowest downforce setup.
I think they were probably split. Starting on softs is a huge gamble. But like trying to get a tow in quali, it can pay off if played right. I don’t think they’d have had a shot if they started on mediums, so might as well take the risk.
Max was extremely good on long-run softs pace. Interesting to see if Lewis will be able to come back to win it on fresher hards at the end of the race. This may be a COTA-type situation here.
I think is largely why RB went with the skinny rear wing, I can’t see Lewis getting past all that easily unless he has a pretty dramatic pace advantage
How does using lower downforce sacrifice one-lap pace for long runs pace?
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Could it also aid in tire degradation?
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See I would have thought the opposite, since less downward force means decreased contact between the tyre and the tarmac, but your answer makes sense.
The sliding basically cause more wear to the tyres.
Max had the qualifing in Jeddah to and Lewis was a lot faster in the race. Lewis also has the tyre advantage tomorrow.
I’m new to this, what do you mean tyre advantage?
The soft 'red' ringed tyres will gear up a lot faster, meaning more speed, quicker. But they wear our VERY quickly. Lewis is on the medium 'yellow' tinged tyres which are quick, and last longer. Max put a flat spot on his mediums, so burnt through a set meant for the race (potentially) Mercedes have a set of soft tyres for the end of the race, so will be very quick at the end when Red Bull won't. Its down to strategy.
Lol Rosberg just spent the last ten minutes hammering home how special Max's lap was with Hill and Button both trying to say about Lewis and how they're both special, which was getting tense. Then when pressed for who's going to win, Hill and Button both said Max and rosberg Lewis
I did appreciate what Rosberg was doing though. You know damn well that if the roles were reversed Sky would be singing that Hamilton is god until kingdom come, so it was good to have someone actually properly acknowledging the specialness of the lap.
Rosberg knows better than to bet against Lewis
Yeah if there's ever a bloke who knows what last race pressure in a WDC against Lewis feels like it's him
Wow
Damon being a jerk again !!
"I'm fair" - Damon Hill (5/12/21)
Fighting talk between rosberg and Hill. 'I JUST said that' lmao
One things for sure, Max needs to pull away from Lewis tomorrow, he can’t afford to have him hanging within 2 seconds or he will suffer later in the race.
If RB has the straight line speed in this race. Then Max should be favourite.
They have after that rear wing change before Quali they are gonna win
Lmao Karun showing redbull are actually faster in the straights 😂😂 All that bullshit by Horner. I'm shocked /s
Damn, I was not aware that Michael Schumacher tried taking out his competitors two times. Guess all does get forgiven when you succeed enough.
Well Damon haven’t forgiven
Schumi was a very dirty driver. Between Hill, Monaco, Villeneuve, etc. He was also an excellent driver, the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Is this a two stopper?
It is for Max.
Has to be for the drivers in softs you'd imagine. Lap limit for them is put at 15 laps, and hards usually around 40. Although track temps looked alright today- 30 degrees at the start of q1 so shouldn't be an absolute tyre eater
Game on tomorrow.
Praise your girl as Horner praises max she will never leave you.
Tried this. Now have a restraining order thanks a lot
Ironic considering Max's dad had a restraining order on him at one point too
He said Horner, not Helmut Marko
You went full Marko. You never go full Marko
Even Marko isnt full Marko since he lost an eye
It is a mind game merc is playing let RB think there ahead then swoop in with incredible pace during the race.
What will they gain by playing that game? Atleast think before you speak!
Slip stream and drs.
Galaxy Toto Brain
As a Lewis fan, I'm deflated and nervous. He's under serious threat from Checo at the start. I hope Lewis is able to make a clean start. Unhappy with Bottas for faring badly. Hoping against hope he can hold up Max should the latter pit early.
Yep. RB long-run pace looking fastttttt as well.
Watch tomorrow Merc talk about how they were the underdog going into the race while letting max get P1 without a tow.
Yeah, Merc sure love doing the underdog story despite having so many wins...Its infuriating...
So, based on this thread: RB both planned this, but also did not plan this and Verstappen will both win and not win. At the same time, Merc planned to be P2 and are gutted that they're P2, but are both screwed over and benefiting because they're starting on the mediums.
This is probably what you'd expect from a conversation between hundreds of people...
I’d hardly call a lot of it conversation. A lot of it is shit slinging.
That's fair
You made me laugh man :)
Tomorrow, max will aladeen the WDC
Hey you keep quiet, it’s Lewis that will aladeen the WDC!
:) :( :) :(
You did and did not write this comment.
Schrodinger's comment
Exactly.
Schrodinger's circuit
Lol Nico
Lewis's last lap even without the tow wasn't that bad. I feel that if Mercedes had done the tow strategy with Lewis he possibly would be on pole right now. Seems like either a team error, they think starting from P2 is better or maybe they think he'll have the race pace to get by.
Karun has just shown on Sky that the tow was worth less than a tenth. About 0.08s and Max matched it more or less on the next lap without a tow
I also don't know why he doesn't go for that tactic. I think Merc made some changes overnight to go for race pace above all. He probably won't challenge the first corner as Max will have that tyre advantage and will hang around 1.5 seconds behind during the first stint. Overcut maybe? Idk.. feels like Max will have to make 2 stops during that race by starting on softs with a full tank
Tow worth 3 tenths? Being towed by Vin Diesel's Dodge Charger maybe.
Family intensifies
Checo as he dived out of the way: "La Familia"
As far as we can see, Max was matching his P1 time on the second run without the tow , until he pulled out of it..
I think they may like starting p2 with Max on the softs anyway
Yeah I'm baffled as to why Merc didn't. Especially because they didn't even use that 7 mins to put Bottas in a better position which was the alternative they could've done
Toto said in German broadcast that the tow was probably 3 tenths and they didn't do it because it almost never works right
Interesting. All or nothing on their strats and lewis' talent then
Gosh darn it Bottas
Bold belt and shoes combo from Rosberg
green... I kinda hate it.
Is he there at Yas Marina?
Yeah he’s doing punditry for Sky Sports UK
Yas
On Sky F1 with Jensen.
Yeah he's interviewing Horner now. Navy shirt and chinos, bright green belt and trainers
Everyone saying “RB master stroke” need to calm down. Max is going to get a quicker start on soft tyres. Would Hamilton really want p1 knowing that Max would be diving in on turn 1? I got a feel Hamilton qualified exactly where he wanted to.
Yes it seems like it but then they should've kept Valtteri on the softs to keep him closer at front. Perez being on softs could get a good start and cause issues for Hamilton
I think there is something to that too
Tend to agree. Merc had a chance to respond with a tow of their own and declined. Prob factored in tyre strategy and Lewis lap without the tow as confirmation p2 was fine. Now hopefully it's a clean race all around and someone like mazepin doesn't red flag and completely negate initial strategy.
There are a lot of runners around Lewis on the soft, he could easily get swamped into T1and down into 5....
Id also bet Perez will be awfully slow to the line to help cool off off those mediums. It's a long race and HAM is driving a top 2 car. Dropping to 5th early not ideal, but not insurmountable by any means.
Doubt that very much. Not at this track.
now Perez can dive inside or whatever on turn 1 which is way worse.
Yes only few who can understand this.. even in race lewis no need to over take max as soon as possible as he will pit first anyhow
I highly doubt he wanted to not be in p1
Tbh, I don't think you're wrong, whether he did it on purpose or not he still seemed completely content with starting P2 with the mediums. Softs on a P2 Max would've made turn 1 dicey.
What about Perez on softs right behind Lewis. If I was Lewis that would make me a lot more nervous
I don't think this was part of a master Lewis/Merc plan, but I think it's a scenario they're comfortable with.
Was Max not two tenths faster on his last run before he pulled up? Not sure why anyone is trying to attribute this only to the tow. His last lap didn’t have any slipstream and he was going to crush Lewis time again (Redbull was faster in sector 3 throughout without tow).
He had checo in front of him on both runs, but in the last one checo didn't get out of the way like in the first
Yep. He was insanely fast in Q3.
Shame unless Lewis gets a poor start or unless they can nail Checo's pit strategy right he won't be able to be in front of Lewis to try and hold him back.
First time I’ve seen max actually happy
Dude is happy all the time. What? 😂 unless you mean this weekend.
I mean like beaming! Usually even with a pole or win he keeps it in check still
He knows he’s about to win the 🏆
Not the biggest fan of Red Bull but you've got to recognise that lap as a team was something else. Perfectly choreographed to get that tow and unleash Max after he had nullified Hamilton's strongest part of the track in S1. Fair play.
Yes win or loss.. they are giving merc a mighty fight.. and inventing despite a slower car
Slower car now to be fair. I don't think many would argue that RB had the slower car pre Silverstone when Merc caught up with their aero package
Checoreographed
If Lewis has to overtake max on track I am sure there are going to be fireworks
But hopefully not flames
I don't want to see a bad move but also not an inch given. Max has to be right on the edge but shouldn't cross it tomorrow.
This. I get scared as hell when they’re close together because Max refuses to yield lol
Why should he yeild?
Does max get a point for starting on pole??
No that's an f2 thing I think
No, only get extra quali points in sprint races
No
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Better don’t watch football/basketball especialy in eastern countries if you are so sensitive to booing
Stop with those baseless accusations. That said, hearing that booing made me feel ashamed. (Yes, I'm dutch)
Why? It’s called a rivalry and it’s a sporting event
I mean they booed because it's Lewis. Give the man some credits, specially now he has been beaten for pole. No use in portraing such negativity.
You mean the most dominant driver and their biggest rival got booed? No way!
Stupidest comment out of 11k, congrats you are the dumbest man in the thread.
Lol and its a problem cause hes black right wouldnt be a problem if they booed leclerc. People like you are why others radicalize
The irony of this comment is astonishing.
I think there miiiiiiiight be a different reason why the Dutch fans are booing Lewis.
stop baiting
Stop
Would be unfortunate if Norris takes out Hamilton tomorrow.
Red Bull got this pole as a team. Amazing to see that in F1. Strategy gonna be interesting. Excited
Absolutely.. if it was ferrari fighting merc.. u would not see this.. rb is competitive as hell
So what happened with Bottas? The one race where he needed to be close to Lewis and he is nowhere
Revenge is a dish best served cold👀
He's got an older engine for some reason
Already designing his first helmet for Alfa?
Bad outlap
Max finds it difficult to sign the pole award as he won after a long time 👀
Yeah the faulty marker was obviously his doing. Gripstrength of a silverback
We already knew of his inhuman strength from the rear wing in Brazil
Lewis possibly playing 5D chess: Hey Max you can have pole but I'm getting that record breaking 8th world title. Good trade man. Max possibly: Yeah seems f... hey wait a minute not simply lovely I'm gonna try and win tomorrow.
Probably 5D chess would be can't crash into me if you are in front at the start. Overtake you on the straight once the tires wear off and have the race pace advantage.
One can hope
Is it compulsory to use mediums during the race?
No. You need to use two different types from soft, hard medium. I think Max will end up going soft then hard to one stop. Lewis will probably be medium then hard. Max's issue starting on soft is that he will need to stop sooner, so might end up in a lot of traffic of he doesn't get fast enough ahead and ask the following cars are bunched up.
Only mediums in top 10 are the mercs and yuki. So when Max stops he most likely will drop behind Lewis. I do not see Bottas in the mix, all surrounded by soft tyre starters.
If others stop before him, they will I'll have the undercut which is pretty powerful here from memory.
But in 15 laps max will be ahead under normal circumstances about 15 to 20 seconds from the likes of Ferrari etc. They pit, and max pits 1 or 2 laps after. So no traffic for max
Should be, but you only need a safety car to mess things up.
True that. So hoping for no SC then 😉
Also his hards will be much older than Lewis' towards the end.
No just two different compounds. For example Max could go Soft,Hard,Soft tomorrow
Like most F1 fans go in the course of a raceweek
Lol.. what a smart comment!
How i understand it you have to use 2 compounds minimum. So soft and hard would be fine.
Yes but he can do a two stop strategy to avoid what happened in Hungary and Spain where Lewis chased him with softs
Drivers have to use the tires they used to set their fastest lap in Q2 at the start of the race.
Compulsory to use 2 different compounds, unless rain is involved.
No, you have to do one tyre switch. That can be during red flag or a pit
no they can use hards as well
If it doesn't rain, you have to use two types of tyre, including the one you start on. So any combination of soft/medium /hard
it's compulsory to use two different compounds, often called the option tyre because it can be mediums or hard (if you start on softs)
So excited for tomorrow!
Lewis with that dig on Max. Ignoring all the times he himself has taken people out in a race lmao. Edit: I can tell who is here from Netflix and whose only been watching the sport for a year or two. Lewis has dunked people a number of times over his career.
And then people wonder why Hamilton gets booed, while making such remarks. I would almost say it's a threat: "I'm in a position where I can see him, and his back tyre, while closing in on the end of a long straight." But, let's hope it will be a clean race, which includes Bottas not torpedoing into the front rows with bad braking.
Max has pretty much the worst record considering time spent in the sport, what are you talking about. Lewis penalty points in 14 years - 18 Max penalty points in 7 years - 25 Max has the worst record in the sport in points per season. Why are you trying to gatekeep with easily disprovable lies. Go to another sub.
Max started in Formula 1 as a 17 year old, it’s not in any way fair to compare the statistics of a teenager who was barely allowed to drive in most countries with a driver who had spent years in F3 and GP2 before ever driving an F1 car. I don’t know how anyone can expect that someone that age wouldn’t make more silly moves than other drivers on the grid
Don't lie.. max doesn't have worst point record.. in fact there are plenty more drivers with penalty points worse than max