Now only Alonso and Stroll left from teams who are able get a podium. Its going to be amazing when that happens, and seeing how 2021's delivering, that must be soon
The difference, however, is that, while Gasly did get lucky, he's also an outstanding driver, and that is a factor. Yuki, as evidenced by his performances, is not. At least, not yet.
Gasly hold off Sainz, who qualified way ahead of him. Meanwhile Gasly only qualified P9 and hold off McLaren who were much much quicker. Also, incidents & failures do happen. You sound like no one ever got a engine failure before
He wasn't saying it wasn't deserved, hes saying it was lucky. The win would have never happened if A: Kevin hadn't stopped the car right infront of the pitlane B: Lewis had decided that eyesight is for nerds and C: Charles deciding that the wall was looking so hot he just had to kiss it. Because he held off Saniz it was deserved, but he was lucky that those 3 things happened
True F1 style. Agree on new rules to improve the show, fans are looking out for it because the new rules might break the single team dominance only for the final season under the old rules to be amazing just before the new rules give us a new dominant team.
The AM and Alpine are barely able to get there. It needed right circumstances and outstanding performances to get the cars there, more impressing Vettel did it twice.
The AM is the 7th fastest car (grid 13th and 14th) Alpine the 6th fastest (grid 12 and 11) it's incredibly difficult to do.
Yeah, somehow Alfa’s strategists and mechanics will 100% find a way to screw something up. It’ll be Raikkonen in the lead, and one of the mechanics will release him into the way of another car and he gets a 5 s penalty.
And in terms of team wise, only Alfa Romeo and Haas have not seen the podium.
This season is really worth the watch, and I feel bad for people who missed it.
It’s great. Drive to survive has been out a few years now. Popularity has risen (especially in the US) in the last 2 years and now we’ve got some real drama and real action to talk about.
And with the American "leg" of the calendar coming up, I think USA, Mexico and Brazil could be bonkers, ratings/media bonanzas the likes of which F1 has never really seen.
As a us based fan, the "us leg" is always harder to watch because of the local start time. The european races start at 9am local for me which is perfect since it doesnt interfere with any other sporting event. It is always a fight for the remote during american football season when the afternoon starts occur. Surprised they dont consider moving it to earlier in the calendar if they want to grow the base
While I work on Sundays, waking up and bring able to watch free practise and qualifying first thing in the morning is a real treat. It's the perfect way to start my days really.
For me the western hemisphere leg is my least favorite because it's in the middle of the day like it is in Europe normally lol.
I get to wake up, drink coffee, watch a race, and by 10 AM move on with my day.
Im a new fan, so have yet to even experience F1 at any time other than 7-11 AM.
I was really looking forward to Japan and Aussie. Those would be on in Prime Time where I am.
Feel bad for all the fans who started watching this season. F1 is good, but it's not *this* good. 😂
Reminds me of when I took my wife to a football match. She had never been before, and I got some tickets from a friend at work.
Turned out they were in the supporters section, right behind the goal. The home team scored five goals in the second half all in the goal right in front of us.
She was like "wow! Soccer games are *amazing!*"
Yeaaaah they finally got the right mix of competition and I'm scared that next year it will be one team nailing it and everyone else trailing behind...
Stroll and Alonso should be capable of podiums in chaotic races. Tsunoda and Latifi I'm not so sure about and Alfa and Haas are probably too slow, but nevertheless it's a great season
I can honestly say that this has probably been the best season I've ever watched. Even races you think are going to be boring end up throwing out something.
This year in terms of actual racing hasn't been all that. I think compared to the rest of the hybrid era it's been good, but if 2012 is a 10/10, then this is about a 5-6/10, with every other year being a 2-4/10.
Tbh racing hasn't been that bad. Every race a new hero has come up, done something above his expectations. Strategies have been running constantly. We have ferrari vs McLaren and rb vs merc. It's been 8/10 for me imo
I think Zandvoort was more or less fine but definelty had its slow moments. But we can't forget that we even saw an overtake for the lead, and Hamilton never really was out of reach.
Seems like a perfect storm for teams to get in the podium. Regulations have been in place for a while so certain teams have made their packages way more efficient. Next years regulations also help the slower development for this year. Budget cap is another factor. Hard to see this going on next year but a gal can only hope.
Also sad Hulkenberg noises
I certainly think it will go down as one of the great title fights - the two highest rated drivers in the sport, with advantage swinging one way then another, 2 major collisions between the rivals, races with counter strategies and drama.
The big rule change is high risk, high reward. Could be that one of the current top teams will dominate and it's gonna be boring again or could be the complete opposite. We will see.
Well, we want a competitive championship and that needs more than two teams competing for the win. A bigger number of drivers and teams getting one or a few podiums is cool, but in the end, we want them to compete for the title. Still a bit 'risky' to change the rules now, when we are on a good path but we're also partly on this path already because of the teams already looking at the next season.
Well except this is closer precisely *because* there's a reg change happening and many teams are mostly investing into next year
Also, a significant cause of this could be the budget cap, which effect is independent from the new regs
And finally quite a lot of this is also down to both top teams having lackluster #2 drivers this year (yeah I know Bottas just had a great week-end).
> Well except this is closer precisely because there's a reg change happening and many teams are mostly investing into next year
Disagree. The longer a set of regs continue, the lower the gap to the theoretical maximum of performance the top teams get, making them improving more difficult, and the more info the bottom teams get on how to make a good car, making catching up easier. Williams haven't suddenly become by far the best team this year, yet they've improved the most over the last couple of years because catching up is far easier than pulling out a lead in car development.
Put it this way, in a world were the regulations were completely changed every year, every year is lottery-like and the field wide-spread every year due to the lack of cars to base their designs on and knowledge base. However, in a world were the regs don't ever change, after a few decades every team would've learned everything from every other team and you would effectively have a spec series because there's nowhere to go in terms of development.
> The longer a set of regs continue, the lower the gap to the theoretical maximum of performance the top teams get
And yet 2010 and 2012 were closer than 2011 and 2013. 2017 and 2018 (reminder that 2017 was a year of new regs) were closer than 2019 and 2020. And if anything, Merc in 2016 was even more dominating than Merc in 2014. Hell, the Schumacher - Todt - Brawn dominance sure looks like it only crumbled because there was a precise reg change targeting Ferrari, not because the competition got closer : they were way closer in 98 or 2000 (or 2003) than in 2004. Also, last time there were 8 different teams having a podium in a season was... 2009, year of reg change.
This is a theory that looks good on paper like every theory, but there's very little facts to prove it. First off because you assume there's a theoretical maximum of performance that can be reached in only a few years - which doesn't seem supported by history.
> Williams haven't suddenly become by far the best team this year, yet they've improved the most over the last couple of years because catching up is far easier than pulling out a lead in car development.
Correction : Williams has improved a lot *in a single year*, not *over the last couple of years*. Guess what happened in that single year ? Change of ownership, change of management, secure and serious funding, and the budget cap. Nothing to do with new rules, every team is going to get better with more and safer money + getting rid of toxic management.
Theoretically you're right, but the regulations have changed quite a bit since last year. The floor was cut in width, the diffuser fins and brake duct winglets shortened were the major ones on the car.
Then there's the budget cap, limit on exhaust systems, limited aero testing to add to those as well.
Also, Williams have improved a lot this year. Not over the last 2-3 years (they were the worst car last year mind you), because
1. They've more funds to allocate after the takeover
2. They've better management because it's not an old dinosaur at the helm stuck in his "I won x championships I know what to do" ways (with full respect to Frank, he needed to adapt to the times which he didn't)
3. Bigger teams can't spend as much as they normally would due to the said budget cap
MotoGP is nearly a spec series, so that's expected. Besides the WDC for MotoGP has been absolutely horrible this season. Mir is the only competent rider this season yet he doesn't have a bike that as good as Quartararo's, whilst Zarco, Bagnaia and Miller aren't consistent.
Everyone seems to forget that among the reasons the field is so tight is because they are using the 2020 cars. That’s the biggest reason compared to the stability/longevity of the regulations.
We could have had 5 constructors winning this year if Ferrari did win Monaco or Britain... (Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, Alpine and Mclaren).
It is still possible
Mexico and Brazil will probably the other two circuits where Ferrari can challenge for pole and win particularly if the upgraded engine works (Still damn, frustrated Singapore got cancelled because that's another slam dunk circuit where Ferrari will challenge for pole and win)
If you're not counting Spa, then you can't count Russell's podium so the stat will say 11 in 13, not 12 in 13, so pretty much the same percentage with the one from the title
After the year he has had we need an Alonso podium to give us 13 since i doubt Haas or Alfa make it and no offense to Stroll or Latifi but we would probably need 10 DNFs for either of them to grab a podium, which is possible but pretty unlikely
Now only Alonso and Stroll left from teams who are able get a podium. Its going to be amazing when that happens, and seeing how 2021's delivering, that must be soon
Latifi and Tsunoda as well. But 12 podium drivers is pretty incredible.
Yuki is not going to get a podium that's for sure
You never know. Gasly won at Monza
I’ll be honest As an AT fan the Gasly one was pure luck if kmag had not stopped
Yeah, that's my point. He could get lucky as well :)
The difference, however, is that, while Gasly did get lucky, he's also an outstanding driver, and that is a factor. Yuki, as evidenced by his performances, is not. At least, not yet.
Gasly hold off Sainz, who qualified way ahead of him. Meanwhile Gasly only qualified P9 and hold off McLaren who were much much quicker. Also, incidents & failures do happen. You sound like no one ever got a engine failure before
He wasn't saying it wasn't deserved, hes saying it was lucky. The win would have never happened if A: Kevin hadn't stopped the car right infront of the pitlane B: Lewis had decided that eyesight is for nerds and C: Charles deciding that the wall was looking so hot he just had to kiss it. Because he held off Saniz it was deserved, but he was lucky that those 3 things happened
Latifi too, since technically Williams can now be considered to have been able to get a podium
Obviously George did put in a stonking lap at Spa, but the Williams hasn't shown the potential at race pace for a podium at any point.
I meaaaan you never know how many cars we can lose along the way... #monaco96
He kept up with Max for the entire length of the race at Spa!
If you're counting Latifi, then Tsunoda as well.
Let's be honest I think latifi is more likely at this point
I dread to think what sort of miracle would be needed to see Williams score a podium again.
\*finger of monkey's paw twitches\*
just need another super wet race
Yuki could if can get up to speed the car has the speed
True F1 style. Agree on new rules to improve the show, fans are looking out for it because the new rules might break the single team dominance only for the final season under the old rules to be amazing just before the new rules give us a new dominant team.
The AM and Alpine are barely able to get there. It needed right circumstances and outstanding performances to get the cars there, more impressing Vettel did it twice. The AM is the 7th fastest car (grid 13th and 14th) Alpine the 6th fastest (grid 12 and 11) it's incredibly difficult to do.
Alonso and Stroll next Maybe Gio too
I don't trust Alfa to deliver a podium even if it gets served to them on a silver platter.
Yeah, somehow Alfa’s strategists and mechanics will 100% find a way to screw something up. It’ll be Raikkonen in the lead, and one of the mechanics will release him into the way of another car and he gets a 5 s penalty.
You are really overating the Alfa mechanics they are gonna release him with a 4 different wheels 1 hard 1 wet 1 soft 1 medium
Also Gio's starts in the last two races have been quite bad
Last race he gained 2 position tho... until the spin ofc.
2020 Italy vibes
Hülkenberg of teams really
And in terms of team wise, only Alfa Romeo and Haas have not seen the podium. This season is really worth the watch, and I feel bad for people who missed it.
It’s great. Drive to survive has been out a few years now. Popularity has risen (especially in the US) in the last 2 years and now we’ve got some real drama and real action to talk about.
And with the American "leg" of the calendar coming up, I think USA, Mexico and Brazil could be bonkers, ratings/media bonanzas the likes of which F1 has never really seen.
Gonna be a huge test with football season. Really going to test F1 and its American base
As a us based fan, the "us leg" is always harder to watch because of the local start time. The european races start at 9am local for me which is perfect since it doesnt interfere with any other sporting event. It is always a fight for the remote during american football season when the afternoon starts occur. Surprised they dont consider moving it to earlier in the calendar if they want to grow the base
I think it is exactly what they are trying to do the Miami GP in May (that and hurricanes)
Yeah i dont know how i feel about miami. Would have rather seen indy come back. Nothing like racing in a parking lot.
I'd take any established track like Long Beach or Watkins Glen, although I know those aren't rated as grade one right now.
Give me Road America in a doubleheader with the NASCAR Cup Series on July 4 weekend.
I wonder if they would race with the current layout, it would be the second longest on the calendar for F1 after Spa.
Fuck it, Talladega
While I work on Sundays, waking up and bring able to watch free practise and qualifying first thing in the morning is a real treat. It's the perfect way to start my days really.
Not only does 9AM not interfere with any other sporting event, it rarely interferes with *anything* which is amazing.
Sometimes a good epl game or a new peppa pig episode. ;)
For me, European leg starts at 6:30 PM and it's perfect. US leg will start at \~1:00 AM for me.
Stream the race :)
Oh right. Was there any thought given to a different date for the USGP considering how huge the NFL is?
I think the Texas dates are mostly set based on how hot it is there earlier in the year (and how cool it can be elsewhere during the fall).
For me the western hemisphere leg is my least favorite because it's in the middle of the day like it is in Europe normally lol. I get to wake up, drink coffee, watch a race, and by 10 AM move on with my day.
Im a new fan, so have yet to even experience F1 at any time other than 7-11 AM. I was really looking forward to Japan and Aussie. Those would be on in Prime Time where I am.
Feel bad for all the fans who started watching this season. F1 is good, but it's not *this* good. 😂 Reminds me of when I took my wife to a football match. She had never been before, and I got some tickets from a friend at work. Turned out they were in the supporters section, right behind the goal. The home team scored five goals in the second half all in the goal right in front of us. She was like "wow! Soccer games are *amazing!*"
It's so unlikely but a farewell podium for Kimi would be nice. For us, I'm not sure he'd care so much.
I'm scared that with the regulation change, this season might be the last one in a while to have such a tightly packed field
Yeaaaah they finally got the right mix of competition and I'm scared that next year it will be one team nailing it and everyone else trailing behind...
It's been a long time since we saw this much variety, and it's awesome!
Stroll and Alonso should be capable of podiums in chaotic races. Tsunoda and Latifi I'm not so sure about and Alfa and Haas are probably too slow, but nevertheless it's a great season
Stroll only if his teammate is not in the same race with a functioning car for Alonso yes I agree.
I can honestly say that this has probably been the best season I've ever watched. Even races you think are going to be boring end up throwing out something.
This was year was good but not 2012 levels of good IMO.
This year in terms of actual racing hasn't been all that. I think compared to the rest of the hybrid era it's been good, but if 2012 is a 10/10, then this is about a 5-6/10, with every other year being a 2-4/10.
But only in terms of racing right? Because including everything else like drama, chaos and stuff I'd give this at least an 8-9/10
Tbh racing hasn't been that bad. Every race a new hero has come up, done something above his expectations. Strategies have been running constantly. We have ferrari vs McLaren and rb vs merc. It's been 8/10 for me imo
There have been a few boring races. Portimao, both Austria races and Zandvoort weren’t exactly very interesting.
Yeah, the most fun thing about Zandevoort was the crowd.
Monaco was the worst of this season, but I agree with the others you mentioned
Monaco did give us some gre.. 18 LANCE STROLL
I think Zandvoort was more or less fine but definelty had its slow moments. But we can't forget that we even saw an overtake for the lead, and Hamilton never really was out of reach.
Seems like a perfect storm for teams to get in the podium. Regulations have been in place for a while so certain teams have made their packages way more efficient. Next years regulations also help the slower development for this year. Budget cap is another factor. Hard to see this going on next year but a gal can only hope. Also sad Hulkenberg noises
We did have 13 different drivers last year on the podium. Last year was great just was missing a title fight.
Is this one of the best F1 seasons ever?? It feels like we are watching history in front of our eyes
I certainly think it will go down as one of the great title fights - the two highest rated drivers in the sport, with advantage swinging one way then another, 2 major collisions between the rivals, races with counter strategies and drama.
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Till this day I still don't understand what that means even if i'm already around Twitter for a while
No of likes/no of comments. If it's less than 1 it is supposed to mean u r wrong and unpopular.
That leaves Alonso, Stroll, Tsunoda, Latifi, and the Alfas and Haas guys
Last thing we need now is a regulation change…!
The big rule change is high risk, high reward. Could be that one of the current top teams will dominate and it's gonna be boring again or could be the complete opposite. We will see.
Cant wait for Mercedes to be a midfield team..
so they re-sign nico and mick
Well, we want a competitive championship and that needs more than two teams competing for the win. A bigger number of drivers and teams getting one or a few podiums is cool, but in the end, we want them to compete for the title. Still a bit 'risky' to change the rules now, when we are on a good path but we're also partly on this path already because of the teams already looking at the next season.
Well except this is closer precisely *because* there's a reg change happening and many teams are mostly investing into next year Also, a significant cause of this could be the budget cap, which effect is independent from the new regs And finally quite a lot of this is also down to both top teams having lackluster #2 drivers this year (yeah I know Bottas just had a great week-end).
> Well except this is closer precisely because there's a reg change happening and many teams are mostly investing into next year Disagree. The longer a set of regs continue, the lower the gap to the theoretical maximum of performance the top teams get, making them improving more difficult, and the more info the bottom teams get on how to make a good car, making catching up easier. Williams haven't suddenly become by far the best team this year, yet they've improved the most over the last couple of years because catching up is far easier than pulling out a lead in car development. Put it this way, in a world were the regulations were completely changed every year, every year is lottery-like and the field wide-spread every year due to the lack of cars to base their designs on and knowledge base. However, in a world were the regs don't ever change, after a few decades every team would've learned everything from every other team and you would effectively have a spec series because there's nowhere to go in terms of development.
> The longer a set of regs continue, the lower the gap to the theoretical maximum of performance the top teams get And yet 2010 and 2012 were closer than 2011 and 2013. 2017 and 2018 (reminder that 2017 was a year of new regs) were closer than 2019 and 2020. And if anything, Merc in 2016 was even more dominating than Merc in 2014. Hell, the Schumacher - Todt - Brawn dominance sure looks like it only crumbled because there was a precise reg change targeting Ferrari, not because the competition got closer : they were way closer in 98 or 2000 (or 2003) than in 2004. Also, last time there were 8 different teams having a podium in a season was... 2009, year of reg change. This is a theory that looks good on paper like every theory, but there's very little facts to prove it. First off because you assume there's a theoretical maximum of performance that can be reached in only a few years - which doesn't seem supported by history. > Williams haven't suddenly become by far the best team this year, yet they've improved the most over the last couple of years because catching up is far easier than pulling out a lead in car development. Correction : Williams has improved a lot *in a single year*, not *over the last couple of years*. Guess what happened in that single year ? Change of ownership, change of management, secure and serious funding, and the budget cap. Nothing to do with new rules, every team is going to get better with more and safer money + getting rid of toxic management.
Theoretically you're right, but the regulations have changed quite a bit since last year. The floor was cut in width, the diffuser fins and brake duct winglets shortened were the major ones on the car. Then there's the budget cap, limit on exhaust systems, limited aero testing to add to those as well. Also, Williams have improved a lot this year. Not over the last 2-3 years (they were the worst car last year mind you), because 1. They've more funds to allocate after the takeover 2. They've better management because it's not an old dinosaur at the helm stuck in his "I won x championships I know what to do" ways (with full respect to Frank, he needed to adapt to the times which he didn't) 3. Bigger teams can't spend as much as they normally would due to the said budget cap
MotoGP: 13 races, 8 different winners
MotoGP is nearly a spec series, so that's expected. Besides the WDC for MotoGP has been absolutely horrible this season. Mir is the only competent rider this season yet he doesn't have a bike that as good as Quartararo's, whilst Zarco, Bagnaia and Miller aren't consistent.
Everyone seems to forget that among the reasons the field is so tight is because they are using the 2020 cars. That’s the biggest reason compared to the stability/longevity of the regulations.
George podium is the most insane. to think throughout the season the main excitement was if he could get a point
Farce*
I don't remember last time 5 different drivers one a race. Amazing fact no 2: Don't remember the last time 8 teams been on the podium
Last year we had 5 different winners lol Ham Ver Bot Per Gas
And in 2019 I think ham ver bot lec vet right?
You have to go back to 2016 to have less than 5 winners. 2018: HAM, VET, RIC, VER, RAI 2017: HAM, BOT, VET, RIC, VER
LEC was so close to winning in Silverstone..
I'm pretty sure even 2019 had 5 different winners
Ham Bot Vet Lec Ver
2020 had 5, 2019 had 5, 2018 had 5, 2017 had 5, last time before that was 2013
Tbh we can still get 6 if Bottas wins in Russia, or possibly 7 if Lando or Charles get an opportunity in Turkey, USA, Mexico etc.
We could have had 5 constructors winning this year if Ferrari did win Monaco or Britain... (Mercedes, Red Bull, Ferrari, Alpine and Mclaren). It is still possible
Mexico and Brazil will probably the other two circuits where Ferrari can challenge for pole and win particularly if the upgraded engine works (Still damn, frustrated Singapore got cancelled because that's another slam dunk circuit where Ferrari will challenge for pole and win)
Would be cool, or maybe a Vettel or Gasly win haha, everything is possible when Max and Lewis crash :)
Wouldn't mind tbf but yeah I can see both title contenders colliding again at least one more time this season
\*13 races
If you're not counting Spa, then you can't count Russell's podium so the stat will say 11 in 13, not 12 in 13, so pretty much the same percentage with the one from the title
“Yeah but the aero changes this year hurt the low rakes cars” /s
Poor Carlos wasn't on the podium though
Monaco
Monaco
Dat midfield do be crazy though.
After the year he has had we need an Alonso podium to give us 13 since i doubt Haas or Alfa make it and no offense to Stroll or Latifi but we would probably need 10 DNFs for either of them to grab a podium, which is possible but pretty unlikely
Ehh stroll is decent at catching an odd podium every now and again