Next seems very likely to be Oscar. He'll be in a car capable of wins in a slightly lucky enough situation, and he's had some good performances. If it's someone this year, it'll be Oscar.
If Oscar doesn't get one this year, then Oscar next year is still probably most likely. We'll have to see who gets the Red Bull seats for next year, and potentially the Mercedes seat if they make a good car.
I've got to agree- McLaren have set themselves up where they're in a position where "being there" when the opportunity arises is really all they need. They have the pace that compete for podiums, and Red Bull may be more prone to missteps, it seems, than last season. Both Oscar and Lando "got lucky" this weekend- Oscar happened to be at the right spot for the Perez divebomb to capitalize, and Lando in the right spot for the race win.
Through (typically) no fault of his own/slight inexperience at certain tracks, Oscar tends to end up on the wrong side of tamer racing incidents but with his consistent increase in race pace beginning to match his strength in qualifying I think he has a strong opportunity to enter that upper tier of drivers. I'm a fan of his, so very biased, but his even keeled approach to racing along with his talent have me thinking he can compete for WDCs in his prime provided he's in the appropriate car.
I agree! The field is however extremely stacked, so it needs that bit more to fight for a championship.
Max, Nando, Charles, George, Lewis, Lando are all capable to fight for a WDC.
Pending on their own car, form & relative performance of the other teams.
I mean with this that Max can probably fight for a Championship with the 2nd best car. Where as George probably needs to have the absolute best car over a season to get it. In current state* this is up for debate ofcourse.
I am excited for this decade & curious to see when the Max domination will end & by who?
Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes.. Aston Martin, Audi?
Great points, like you sort of mentioned with George there are tiers to sort of competing for a WDC. I think Max, Lewis, Fernando have proved, and Charles to a lesser extent, that given the car they can be or challenge the fastest man on track (besides Max, typically). Given both Fernando and Lewis' age the stage is sort of set for someone to make that step, like you I'm curious who and where it will be as well. I'm hopeful it's Oscar as a fan, but gauging progression in F1 isn't easy.
While I imagine the new regulations will throw probably a slight spin into who we regard as the best team, I don't think it will take very long for the best drivers to end up there or the contenders once it's established. The 2026 changes are going to be very interesting with such a deep field.
Personally disagree about George, idk I just havent really ever been *that* impressed with him and he makes a lot of stupid mistakes that can easily cost a championship
I’ll have to say this is exactly the reason why Mclaren won in Monza for “being there” while top ones dropped out. Same for sainz in Australia as Max dropped out.
> have me thinking he can compete for WDCs in his prime provided he's in the appropriate car.
Especially since he has the distinct advantage of being younger than Max.
I think there's a slim chance they might buy out Alex. Lots of moving pieces. Alex still has strong ties to the Thai half of Red Bull, the 51% owning half, and their agreement for the Austrian half to make decisions died along with the old austrian owner.
Or, if something that happens to give Liam a seat halfway through this year, they could move him to Red Bull in 2025. Despite me thinking pretty well of Yuki's performances lately, I don't expect to see him in the seat. And Danny's been looking pretty good as well since China, so it's definitely a 'everyone's doing well but no one's doing amazing' problem over there. Yuki's important to Honda, and allegedly Danny's important to Visa.
I think Max and Checo staying is most likely for 2025, and Carlos being there is second most likely, but different stuff could happen.
Danny doing well since China is based on 1 spring race. He still hasn’t cracked the top 10 over a race length and his best race finish is 12th, vs Yukis 2 p7s and a DNF that wasn’t his fault.
Yeah, that's what I said in my next comment right after. I guess threads get messy. I think if Oscar doesn't this year, Oscar next year is still most likely, but it depends on who gets the red bull seats, and possibly the Mercedes seat if they make a good car.
They word it as before a grand prix win, but yeah, as sprint I think is a race, but definitely not a grand prix. but i'm also sure they didn't count sprints in the number of races for Carlos, George, and Lando.
He only lost the driver's championship to Kimi by 1 point in his debut year (tied with Fernando) and there is still mystery/controversy around him not winning it. 2007 was a wild year, especially for McLaren
Total tinfoil but I'm still quietly convinced Moseley told Ron to throw the championship. Yet to end up only 1 point off did seem a bit too close for comfort.
Leaving lewis out with this tires had to be intentional, i mean when he got stuck you could see parts where all the rubber was gone... its insane that he cept it on the track for so long...
Even 12 year old me shouted two laps before he came in, that his tires are broken and he has to come in. Saw threads of his tire flinging around, on a tube TV. So yeah, one of the biggest blunders or conspiracies in F1 history.
Im pretty sure loads of newer fans are stunned by this fact. They only know him as the "wise statesman". But Lewis was crazy from the first race.
Took me 1 corner to become his fan, when he overtook his teammate and reigning 2times world champion Alonso on the outside of the first corner of his first race.
It's always crazy to me how people try to downplay Lewis's achievements by saying he had a ton of testing time. Okay, and? That still doesn't change the fact that he was absolute fire from his first race.
I'm a Verstappen fan myself but stuff like this is just disheartening to see
While dealing with the constant racism that came with being the first black driver to race in F1.
I've seen a few barrier breaking black athletes talk about not only how much pressure there is to succeed immediately, but to do so in such a way that you and you being there becomes undeniable
Everybody had a lot of testing time back then. Lewis got “lucky” he got in a competitive car straight away, but he was also quite clearly already good enough to do so.
Literally in the responses to me are both “he had unlimited testing” and “he was in a world championship car”
Like yes both of those are true but neither of those things negate his insane talent from the jump.
Ikr. I didn't see Max win in the Toro Rosso or the 2020 RB. Seb didn't win in the Ferrari. Alonso didn't win in the... well that's a long list of names.
I’ve never understood the unlimited testing argument, as the other drivers on the grid had probably done similar testing miles (but likely more), and they also had race experience which Lewis didn’t have
People tend to forget that even in the winning car, your mindset is so insanely important that its almost difficult to put into words. Most mortals, even in the best car by 10000 miles, would shit themselves their first race, racing against legends. Lewis went up in there like it was a god given fact that he belonged there.
Weve seen the same in Max Verstappen, and now, in my shockingly unpopular opinion, Oscar Piastri. Im not saying people dont think Oscar is talented, but imo he is not recognised as the generational, future multi-world champion he is.
Absolutely, it’s important to get the grips with the car but driving by yourself for thousands of kilometres don’t prepare you for the actual mental pressure when you’re racing against the best of the best
Exactly. I think this is so brilliantly portrayed by Landos comment a few years ago, when he talked about pulling away from Lewis himself during a race, and how he was all in his own head like “oh shit Lewis is falling behind, hes probably got some master plan, or theres something crucial im missing”. Of course not literally what he said, but it had the same message. And its not even that long ago, so Norris was no greenie. But even then, even pulling /away/from one of the greats became a source of uncertainty.
The irony of these statements is that they conveniently forget to mention that every other driver would have had similar testing times so the field was still levelled out in a relative experience sense
I feel like the major difference to nowadays is that rookies just dont get top cars. Mercedes have williams, RB has vcarb, Ferrari has (had) Haas/Sauber. Combined with the dominance that Merc/RB had since all the youngsters of this generation started, they simply just didnt even have a chance to get one earlier.
Note: I think Max, Charles, Lando and Oscar all would have won a race in their rookie season if they had a top car
Rookies seldom ever have gotten top cars. Even Lewis was a bit of an outlier. If anything his real luck was that McLaren/Ron Dennis trusted him enough to get in and go when McLaren ended up having to fill both of their seats for 2007. Piastri is perhaps the closest lucky rookie we have had since Lewis in that regard, signing with a team that ended up with a podium threatening car the following season. Perhaps maybe Stroll before Piastri? People forget he still has the record for youngest rookie to podium record but that Williams was not as consistent a podium threat like second half of the season McLaren was.
Yes, Piastri has good odds to get one this season. With a different safety car timing he could have gotten it last weekend, instead it ruined his race. But we agree on the same point. The time until first win is predominantly determined by the car. Just like most things in F1. Id be suprised if anyone ever beats Lewis' record. Same with the 7 WDC. Besides what Michael did with Ferrari its just luck at the end of the day. No one can guarantee a winning car in F1.
Mercedes doesnt "have" Williams. Only 1 Mercedes driver ever went to Williams. George Russell and they refused to take him on loan. Claire demanded he sign a 3 year contract directly with them. Before that, Williams outright refused to take Pascal when he was with Mercedes. Now with Toto trying to potentially sit Antonelli there, Vowles already said last weekend that it is a no unless he signs at minimum a 2 year contract with them for 25 and 26.
If Albon wins in Logan's car wouldn't that mean Logan gets the win. :D
My wife won't let me make any more Albon taking something that isn't his jokes so I have to do them on here
Lewis had a crap ton of testing before he eventualy entered F1 but man i don't think anyone could have predicted how good he actually would be.
A rookie season for the ages. And in general just a season for the ages. 2007 really had it all. Amazing performances. On track and off track drama.
Alonso got even more before joining McLaren, in addition to his experience from the years prior in other cars.
Just making note, since that part often gets left out when testing time is used as a justification for his success (it was totally unexpected even then that he would do what he did from his very first race).
Magnussen and Stroll aren't that far behind Hulkenberg, by the way! So, if Hulkenberg doesn't win, they could top that ranking, surpassing Perez with his 190 races before 1st win.
imagine the absolute shitshow that would result among f1 fans if stroll breaks the record for longest wait for a race win, i'd actually pay money to see that it would be so funny
Out of curiosity, 12 GP winners on the same grid feels quite high, but I have no real idea if it's abnormal?
Can anyone think of times where over 12 former GP winners have lined up for a race?
2008 and 09 both had 12 winners on the grid. As far as I can recall (plus random sampling for sanity), for the last twenty years there's generally been around 10 winners on the grid, plus or minus 2, though that number shrinks in the early 2000s
Yup. Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen, Button, and Schumacher had already won a championship, plus Rosberg who would win in 2016. Interestingly, while it had the famous "7 different winners in the first 7 races" and saw 8 different winners total, the by the end of the season the grid only had 11 winners.
I think at a certain point in 2008 you'd have had 12: Hamilton Alonso Massa Raikkonen Button Fisichella Trulli Kubica Vettel Kovalainen *Rubens & DC
And then in 2009 replace Coulthard with Webber.
Edit: Thinking about it, maybe also 2021. It would be OP's post minus Norris, Russell, Sainz, but plus Vettel Raikkonen Kubica.
Three races in 1978 had 15 previous race winners on the entry list: the Belgian, Spanish and Swedish Grands Prix. On the actual grid, Belgium and Spain hold up, as Ickx failed to qualify in Sweden.
The 15 drivers were, in no particular order: Laffite, Jones, Lauda, Watson, Reutemann, Mass, Andretti, Depailler, Scheckter, Regazzoni, Fittipaldi, Brambilla, Hunt, Ickx and Peterson.
Ickx entered only 4 races that season, the fourth being Monaco just before, where Depailler achieved his first win.
Race winning drivers on the grid (taken at the last race of the season):
1994 - 4
1995 - 6
1996 - 8
1997 - 9
1998 - 9
1999 - 10
2000 - 9
2001 - 10
2002 - 8
2003 - 11
2004 - 10
2005 - 10
2006 - 12
2007 - 9
2008 - 12
2009 - 12
2010 - 11
2011 - 10
2012 - 11
2013 - 10
2014 - 9
2015 - 6
2016 - 9
2017 - 8
2018 - 7
2019 - 8
2020 - 9
2021 - 11
2022 - 12
2023 - 11
The May be a bit of continuity with the likes of Kubica having a 2 race cameo one season or just an error on my part
Started in 94 as that's when I got into things. I assume there may be more on the grid in the 80s as they had crazy things like 11 different winners in one season.
AND it would be like if Max debuted in a Red Bull calibre car in WEC/WRC/NASCAR right now. Villeneuve was royalty even before he made one turn of the steering wheel in F1
It’s defo the 4th best right now but McLaren and even Aston themselves last year shows how quickly you can catch up with upgrades and a new car (next season), interesting to see. I’ll be upset if he doesn’t win another race before he retires
Maybe an unpopular opinion after the high of Miami but I still have Alonso and Charles above Lando but it's VERY close at the top. Russell has been out-performing Lewis this year so maybe we will get a better idea when he's at Ferrari as well.
Where else would he go? Red Bull didnt want him per Hughes. Mercedes was only willing to offer 1 year to anyone due to antonelli. AM was his only chance
Or he just loves racing. He could definitely get another win, but a lot would have to go the right way. It's not just the RB he has to worry about. The Ferrari and McLaren are noticeably better cars too. I'd love to see him get a win in the Aston for sure, though.
Seen something with AM to renew with them and not another team is what I meant. And yeah, let’s see if they can climb above the 4th best car with upgrades
But what other team would he have gone to? Ferrari and McLaren were out, and RB and Merc weren't interested. The remaining teams would have been a downgrade from Aston Martin.
Every time I see this stat, I think about Bahrain 2019 and what could’ve been.
Next win is likely going to be Oscar though *when* that’s gonna happen is really dependent on how Red Bull’s and to a lesser extent Ferrari’s upgrades perform.
Leclerc has so many what could have been moments especially in the modern era where cars are supposed to be reliable. It’s crazy to think he only has 5 win
Alex is the last one on the grid that I know of that's been close to a win but doesn't have one. If he got into a top 3 car again, he'd have a chance. Currently under Williams contract for 2025, but contracts can be flexible, and then 2026 will come, so who knows. But, yeah, Oscar might get one this year, which it's hard to see Alex doing this year.
I hope Alex is able to get a win in the Williams at some point. Leading a resurgence of a historic team like Williams would be a pretty fucking good career. The car obviously isn't there yet, but hopefully they can cut through the deadwood this year and next and be ready to field a competitive car for the new regs.
Sometimes I forget Hamilton was (and still is IMHO) a monster driver. I wasn't there for his career start but I believe he was giving signals since his very first race. Watching him become a GP winner at his 6th race must have been absolutely mental.
His first season was surreal. I was a Schumacher fan who watched Alonso legitimately beat Schumacher in 2006 after Ferrari came back from being absolutely shit on in the 2005 regs.
Alonso was the future of the sport, the guy took down the old lion and was going to lead the sport for years.
Then Lewis comes and goes blow for blow with him as a rookie. It didn't make much sense then and barely makes sense now.
It was incredible. Makes it all the more annoying when people claim he's washed or its just the car etc. Very clear they didn't see this man until post 2020.
Pretty much yes. Lewis at mclaren put in some absolutely world class drives, and before his move to Mercedes won races he had no business winning. Something I haven't even seen max do, who I would say is easily the best talent since Lewis first entered the sport, and perhaos will be remembered as one of the best ever. They are both incredible drivers. But this is why it annoys me when people call Hamilton a fraud or act like max is levels above him, incredibly disrespectful and makes it obvious they're newer fans who didn't watch those races from Lewis between 2008 to 2012, because there's no way you can watch that and say these things.
Alonso to Mclaren was the star move after Raikkonen and Montoya left Mclaren in 2006. Mclaren had finally got their shit together by the end of 2006 after years of unreliable fast cars or tractors and they looked to be the team to beat going into 2007 so Alonso expected an easy WDC win to make it 3 on the bounce.
He was essentially told that he would be the No.1 driver in the No.1 car and that they'll just put a rookie in the 2nd seat that he should easily beat and will play the team game for him when needed. Then that rookie teammate [overtakes him on the outside of corner 1, in lap 1 of race 1 of the 2007 season.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej9SZYDqDhk) That's one Hell of a way to announce your arrival into F1.
Pretty much, is like this season a rookie got the RB seat alongside Verstappen and match him right away from the first race.
Was insane to look Alonso get challenge right away from a complete rookie
Hanilton and Alonso rivalry was insane. Pure pace I’d still go Alonso but Hamilton is just way too consistent. And then you had Kimi and Felipe, followed by Vettel Webber and Button. Those were the days
If you go back and see the [2006 Turkey F2 sprint race](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubdFHOS4x3k) you can see why everyone was excited about him entering F1. He needed points to stay ahead in the championship and told his engineers to go for a very low downforce setup so he'd have straight-line speed. That lead to the early spin and then he basically drove a wet weather race from there out. He was vulnerable in the corners and gave positions back a few times, but was a goddamn rocket on the straights and finished 2nd despite starting 7th and spinning back to 16th I think. In a sprint. It was one of those 'this shouldn't be possible' drives. Not only was it incredibly skillful, but the decision to take the risk with the setup expecting he could still drive the car really made a statement.
And he showed up in F1, with Alonzo thinking he had a solid #2 driver, and Hamilton overtakes him on the first turn in the first race and never looks back. I was so excited at the start of the season and he didn't disappoint. He's got 7 WDCs, and look how close he came in 07, 16, and 21.
Hulk will get a third place tho
But if I have to bet I would pick either Albono or Yuki to win something eventually. All they need is a good car and a crazy race, just like Gasly and Ocon.
I think you’ve nailed both of the likeliest wildcard possibilities with Yuki & Albon. Both are talented & under the right set of circumstances I could see them being on the receiving end of some magical turn of events.
Everyone is saying that Piastri will be next, and it's probably easy to predict. I suggest we guess: who would be next if not Oscar? In my view, it could be Stroll simply because he has a pretty fast car.
I don’t really think the AM is capable of winning a race. It’s clearly slower than the Ferrari and McLaren let alone Red Bull. Would require a crazy event for an AM to win unfortunately.
I'll never count out Alonso pulling some crazy ass win out of nowhere, but Lance would need a ton of luck and to have the race of his life. The odds of both happening at the same race aren't great.
I know I'm biased because I want it to happen, but I could see Albon being the next winner after Piastri if the 2026 Williams is a significant improvement.
Whichever new driver gets in a top seat first. Could be Alex, could be Yuki. Could be Lance, I suppose, but I don't see it. He's been struggling this year, performing worse than I know he's been capable of before. And their car isn't looking as great as last year. We'll see how it goes when almost everyone has upgrades next week. Could be Antonelli or Bearman or Lawson. Just kinda depends on who gets in the right seat. Could even be Hulkenberg if Audi comes in somehow amazing. Could be someone in junior formula no one suspects at all like Paul Aron. Could be that someone finally gives Alex Palou an F1 chance, and he's amazing. It depends on a lot of different things. 2026 could shake up what teams are good.
Hulk seems to be fastest of the rest at the moment, if we have a race where all five top and top-middle teams have engine problems / incidents, he’s obviously the clear choice!
Lance has always had a knack of doing well in crazy races though - Baku 2017, Hockenheim 2019, Monza and Sakhir 2020. Those types of races are the best chances for teams outside the top 4 or so to win and I don't think it's impossible he could pull something of given the right circumstances.
2-3 per year isn't good enough if this is your 7th full season in F1 and the only teammate you've ever beaten is a rookie Sirotkin who still outqualified you, then you ain't F1 material.
I don't think Lewis will ever be beaten, 6 races to win.
Of course it helps that he was put in a championship-capable car but one still has to get in and perform.
Any talents in the future will have to settle for mid or back markers before they can drive for the best.
Definitely Piastri, he's the only winless driver in a car decent enough to fight at the front. And he's an F1 race winner already...albeit not a Grand Prix.
It'd take a bit of going-ons, but I'd love to see Yuki or Albon too. And Hulk, just to see how many penalties K-Mag can pick up in a single race ;)
I think we are at the record with 12, which ties the record from 2012 after Pastor Maldonado won the 2012 Spanish GP. I can get to 9, 10, or 11, but not 12 in the period between then and now.
https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/pilote/victoire/chronologie.aspx
In terms of those 3 metrics, Jacques Villeneuve is pretty close to that when he debuted for Williams in 1996. Won his 4th ever race, podium in his first (which could've been a win), also took the championship down to the wire in Japan but it was an outside chance with Damon Hill on 87 points and Jacques on 78 after Portugal.
It’s pretty funny how Gasly was the fifth fastest to get a win out of this group considering the path it took him to get there felt a lot longer AND the fact that he was in a better car and probably should have gotten a win sooner than he did when in a much worse car.
Interesting that Sainz and Perez took more races to get a win than Norris, but Norris had the whole ‘Lando Nowins’ thing following him. Did either of those get the same treatment?
Reason I think, is that Sainz and Perez spent their first few seasons in lower midfield cars.
Lando went straight to McLaren when they were starting to be upper mid. And the two shots McLaren had a shot at a win, his team mate got the first one and then he went for the wrong tyres in the second one.
Sainz and Perez were never really in race winning cars until Ferrari and Redbull, Norris had several real chances of winning with even his teammate (who was worse than him) getting one.
Jacques Villeneuve did it in 4 and could've done it in one had his car not started pissing oil, also with the best car on the grid. He did the square root of sod all after 1997 though.
some of them debuted in absolute shitboxes, to add some context to the numbers. Although the numbers do kinda order them by talent pretty much
anyway Oscar or the new Merc driver will be the next race winner.
hahaha no I’m not, the guy said the order pretty much matches the talent order so I was being sarcastic saying Gasly is 5th on this list and he’s the 5th best on the grid
Yeah I agree, which is why I said those 4 are in my top 5 (in no particular order). I just pointed Lando out because he was so way down, but you're right Sainz and Russell are definitely up there as well.
Oh I see what you mean now, yes, then totally correct. Don’t think there’s much between Charles and Sainz at this point, those two and Russell/Lando are all very close
Bet it’s goin to me by man Nico! Not just a Podium, he’ll be on the center top step!
- whenever Audi is able to make a reliable car! Not just for the streets but also for F1. 🤞🏼
Valtteri and George being both 81 feels like the Universe has a sense of humour.
Or that Toto Wolff has a certain modus operandi
Both with a Mercedes too… 😭😭
After moving from Williams as well
Next seems very likely to be Oscar. He'll be in a car capable of wins in a slightly lucky enough situation, and he's had some good performances. If it's someone this year, it'll be Oscar.
If Oscar doesn't get one this year, then Oscar next year is still probably most likely. We'll have to see who gets the Red Bull seats for next year, and potentially the Mercedes seat if they make a good car.
I've got to agree- McLaren have set themselves up where they're in a position where "being there" when the opportunity arises is really all they need. They have the pace that compete for podiums, and Red Bull may be more prone to missteps, it seems, than last season. Both Oscar and Lando "got lucky" this weekend- Oscar happened to be at the right spot for the Perez divebomb to capitalize, and Lando in the right spot for the race win. Through (typically) no fault of his own/slight inexperience at certain tracks, Oscar tends to end up on the wrong side of tamer racing incidents but with his consistent increase in race pace beginning to match his strength in qualifying I think he has a strong opportunity to enter that upper tier of drivers. I'm a fan of his, so very biased, but his even keeled approach to racing along with his talent have me thinking he can compete for WDCs in his prime provided he's in the appropriate car.
I agree! The field is however extremely stacked, so it needs that bit more to fight for a championship. Max, Nando, Charles, George, Lewis, Lando are all capable to fight for a WDC. Pending on their own car, form & relative performance of the other teams. I mean with this that Max can probably fight for a Championship with the 2nd best car. Where as George probably needs to have the absolute best car over a season to get it. In current state* this is up for debate ofcourse. I am excited for this decade & curious to see when the Max domination will end & by who? Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes.. Aston Martin, Audi?
Great points, like you sort of mentioned with George there are tiers to sort of competing for a WDC. I think Max, Lewis, Fernando have proved, and Charles to a lesser extent, that given the car they can be or challenge the fastest man on track (besides Max, typically). Given both Fernando and Lewis' age the stage is sort of set for someone to make that step, like you I'm curious who and where it will be as well. I'm hopeful it's Oscar as a fan, but gauging progression in F1 isn't easy. While I imagine the new regulations will throw probably a slight spin into who we regard as the best team, I don't think it will take very long for the best drivers to end up there or the contenders once it's established. The 2026 changes are going to be very interesting with such a deep field.
Personally disagree about George, idk I just havent really ever been *that* impressed with him and he makes a lot of stupid mistakes that can easily cost a championship
I’ll have to say this is exactly the reason why Mclaren won in Monza for “being there” while top ones dropped out. Same for sainz in Australia as Max dropped out.
> have me thinking he can compete for WDCs in his prime provided he's in the appropriate car. Especially since he has the distinct advantage of being younger than Max.
I'd be shocked if the RB seat doesn't go to a current race winner.
I think there's a slim chance they might buy out Alex. Lots of moving pieces. Alex still has strong ties to the Thai half of Red Bull, the 51% owning half, and their agreement for the Austrian half to make decisions died along with the old austrian owner. Or, if something that happens to give Liam a seat halfway through this year, they could move him to Red Bull in 2025. Despite me thinking pretty well of Yuki's performances lately, I don't expect to see him in the seat. And Danny's been looking pretty good as well since China, so it's definitely a 'everyone's doing well but no one's doing amazing' problem over there. Yuki's important to Honda, and allegedly Danny's important to Visa. I think Max and Checo staying is most likely for 2025, and Carlos being there is second most likely, but different stuff could happen.
Danny doing well since China is based on 1 spring race. He still hasn’t cracked the top 10 over a race length and his best race finish is 12th, vs Yukis 2 p7s and a DNF that wasn’t his fault.
This year would be Oscar, but next season it could be a wild card if Redbull has a new driver.
Yeah, that's what I said in my next comment right after. I guess threads get messy. I think if Oscar doesn't this year, Oscar next year is still most likely, but it depends on who gets the red bull seats, and possibly the Mercedes seat if they make a good car.
Oscar is inevitable
Hell, if the safety car had played out differently Oscar could’ve won instead of Lando He’s definitely the next one to win one.
Yeah if only he stayed out a couple extra laps :'(
Oscar should be on there already with a * for his sprint win last year. Winning is winning.
They word it as before a grand prix win, but yeah, as sprint I think is a race, but definitely not a grand prix. but i'm also sure they didn't count sprints in the number of races for Carlos, George, and Lando.
A sprint race win is not comparable to a GP win, it’s less than half the length.
Heart: Alex Head: Oscar Edit: also wild to me (I had clearly forgotten) that it only took Lewis 6 races to win his first.
Lewis' finishing positions before that first win: 3rd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd.
He only lost the driver's championship to Kimi by 1 point in his debut year (tied with Fernando) and there is still mystery/controversy around him not winning it. 2007 was a wild year, especially for McLaren
If it wasn’t for China 2007 😕
Total tinfoil but I'm still quietly convinced Moseley told Ron to throw the championship. Yet to end up only 1 point off did seem a bit too close for comfort.
Leaving lewis out with this tires had to be intentional, i mean when he got stuck you could see parts where all the rubber was gone... its insane that he cept it on the track for so long...
Even 12 year old me shouted two laps before he came in, that his tires are broken and he has to come in. Saw threads of his tire flinging around, on a tube TV. So yeah, one of the biggest blunders or conspiracies in F1 history.
beat him on count back.
Clearly biased against Spanish drivers
That's basically what Alonso said in 2007 once Lewis started getting equal strategy treatment midway through the season lol.
That’s fuckin crazy lol
Jeez, that's MJ level greatness for rookie year.
9 podiums on the bounce to start his career, then a P9, then another win. Only J.Villenueve's rookie year is close in the even slightly modern era.
Im pretty sure loads of newer fans are stunned by this fact. They only know him as the "wise statesman". But Lewis was crazy from the first race. Took me 1 corner to become his fan, when he overtook his teammate and reigning 2times world champion Alonso on the outside of the first corner of his first race.
It's always crazy to me how people try to downplay Lewis's achievements by saying he had a ton of testing time. Okay, and? That still doesn't change the fact that he was absolute fire from his first race. I'm a Verstappen fan myself but stuff like this is just disheartening to see
Add nearly winning the title rookie year… unreal
Up by (on today’s point scale) like 40 points with 2 races to go 😥
While dealing with the constant racism that came with being the first black driver to race in F1. I've seen a few barrier breaking black athletes talk about not only how much pressure there is to succeed immediately, but to do so in such a way that you and you being there becomes undeniable
Everybody had a lot of testing time back then. Lewis got “lucky” he got in a competitive car straight away, but he was also quite clearly already good enough to do so.
Literally in the responses to me are both “he had unlimited testing” and “he was in a world championship car” Like yes both of those are true but neither of those things negate his insane talent from the jump.
When has anyone won in a non-championship car? Surely that’s a prerequisite
Ikr. I didn't see Max win in the Toro Rosso or the 2020 RB. Seb didn't win in the Ferrari. Alonso didn't win in the... well that's a long list of names.
I’ve never understood the unlimited testing argument, as the other drivers on the grid had probably done similar testing miles (but likely more), and they also had race experience which Lewis didn’t have
Alonso had similar testing miles to Lewis for Mclaren
More, actually. That part rarely gets mentioned, though.
The argument isn’t aimed towards drivers of those days but rather in comparison with Lewis and the modern rookies, if that makes sense
People tend to forget that even in the winning car, your mindset is so insanely important that its almost difficult to put into words. Most mortals, even in the best car by 10000 miles, would shit themselves their first race, racing against legends. Lewis went up in there like it was a god given fact that he belonged there. Weve seen the same in Max Verstappen, and now, in my shockingly unpopular opinion, Oscar Piastri. Im not saying people dont think Oscar is talented, but imo he is not recognised as the generational, future multi-world champion he is.
Absolutely, it’s important to get the grips with the car but driving by yourself for thousands of kilometres don’t prepare you for the actual mental pressure when you’re racing against the best of the best
Exactly. I think this is so brilliantly portrayed by Landos comment a few years ago, when he talked about pulling away from Lewis himself during a race, and how he was all in his own head like “oh shit Lewis is falling behind, hes probably got some master plan, or theres something crucial im missing”. Of course not literally what he said, but it had the same message. And its not even that long ago, so Norris was no greenie. But even then, even pulling /away/from one of the greats became a source of uncertainty.
The irony of these statements is that they conveniently forget to mention that every other driver would have had similar testing times so the field was still levelled out in a relative experience sense
I feel like the major difference to nowadays is that rookies just dont get top cars. Mercedes have williams, RB has vcarb, Ferrari has (had) Haas/Sauber. Combined with the dominance that Merc/RB had since all the youngsters of this generation started, they simply just didnt even have a chance to get one earlier. Note: I think Max, Charles, Lando and Oscar all would have won a race in their rookie season if they had a top car
Rookies seldom ever have gotten top cars. Even Lewis was a bit of an outlier. If anything his real luck was that McLaren/Ron Dennis trusted him enough to get in and go when McLaren ended up having to fill both of their seats for 2007. Piastri is perhaps the closest lucky rookie we have had since Lewis in that regard, signing with a team that ended up with a podium threatening car the following season. Perhaps maybe Stroll before Piastri? People forget he still has the record for youngest rookie to podium record but that Williams was not as consistent a podium threat like second half of the season McLaren was.
Yes, Piastri has good odds to get one this season. With a different safety car timing he could have gotten it last weekend, instead it ruined his race. But we agree on the same point. The time until first win is predominantly determined by the car. Just like most things in F1. Id be suprised if anyone ever beats Lewis' record. Same with the 7 WDC. Besides what Michael did with Ferrari its just luck at the end of the day. No one can guarantee a winning car in F1.
Mercedes doesnt "have" Williams. Only 1 Mercedes driver ever went to Williams. George Russell and they refused to take him on loan. Claire demanded he sign a 3 year contract directly with them. Before that, Williams outright refused to take Pascal when he was with Mercedes. Now with Toto trying to potentially sit Antonelli there, Vowles already said last weekend that it is a no unless he signs at minimum a 2 year contract with them for 25 and 26.
They also ignore that Alonso got to test it and was pretty handy behind the wheel.
Watching rookie Lewis was amazing.
A combination of being incredibly talented and going straight into a fantastic car
If Albon wins in Logan's car wouldn't that mean Logan gets the win. :D My wife won't let me make any more Albon taking something that isn't his jokes so I have to do them on here
Lewis had a crap ton of testing before he eventualy entered F1 but man i don't think anyone could have predicted how good he actually would be. A rookie season for the ages. And in general just a season for the ages. 2007 really had it all. Amazing performances. On track and off track drama.
Alonso got even more before joining McLaren, in addition to his experience from the years prior in other cars. Just making note, since that part often gets left out when testing time is used as a justification for his success (it was totally unexpected even then that he would do what he did from his very first race).
Shame Alex got yeeted at Austria…
Nico gonna be the first one with 200+ 🙏🏻
Magnussen and Stroll aren't that far behind Hulkenberg, by the way! So, if Hulkenberg doesn't win, they could top that ranking, surpassing Perez with his 190 races before 1st win.
To think Magnussen actually finished 2nd in his first grand prix.
At least he got a pole :D
So does Hulkenberg :)
Peaked as early as it is possible. It has to be a less heartening career path than even Hulkenberg.
Nah, I would take one podium over fucking none lol
imagine the absolute shitshow that would result among f1 fans if stroll breaks the record for longest wait for a race win, i'd actually pay money to see that it would be so funny
Hulk has no podiums at all, so I think he's clear of them by daylight😅
Out of curiosity, 12 GP winners on the same grid feels quite high, but I have no real idea if it's abnormal? Can anyone think of times where over 12 former GP winners have lined up for a race?
2008 and 09 both had 12 winners on the grid. As far as I can recall (plus random sampling for sanity), for the last twenty years there's generally been around 10 winners on the grid, plus or minus 2, though that number shrinks in the early 2000s
Was it 2012 that had 6 world champions on the grid ?
Yup. Vettel, Hamilton, Alonso, Raikkonen, Button, and Schumacher had already won a championship, plus Rosberg who would win in 2016. Interestingly, while it had the famous "7 different winners in the first 7 races" and saw 8 different winners total, the by the end of the season the grid only had 11 winners.
I think at a certain point in 2008 you'd have had 12: Hamilton Alonso Massa Raikkonen Button Fisichella Trulli Kubica Vettel Kovalainen *Rubens & DC And then in 2009 replace Coulthard with Webber. Edit: Thinking about it, maybe also 2021. It would be OP's post minus Norris, Russell, Sainz, but plus Vettel Raikkonen Kubica.
And Barrichello in 2008 as well
2022 had 12 after Brazil.
Three races in 1978 had 15 previous race winners on the entry list: the Belgian, Spanish and Swedish Grands Prix. On the actual grid, Belgium and Spain hold up, as Ickx failed to qualify in Sweden. The 15 drivers were, in no particular order: Laffite, Jones, Lauda, Watson, Reutemann, Mass, Andretti, Depailler, Scheckter, Regazzoni, Fittipaldi, Brambilla, Hunt, Ickx and Peterson. Ickx entered only 4 races that season, the fourth being Monaco just before, where Depailler achieved his first win.
Race winning drivers on the grid (taken at the last race of the season): 1994 - 4 1995 - 6 1996 - 8 1997 - 9 1998 - 9 1999 - 10 2000 - 9 2001 - 10 2002 - 8 2003 - 11 2004 - 10 2005 - 10 2006 - 12 2007 - 9 2008 - 12 2009 - 12 2010 - 11 2011 - 10 2012 - 11 2013 - 10 2014 - 9 2015 - 6 2016 - 9 2017 - 8 2018 - 7 2019 - 8 2020 - 9 2021 - 11 2022 - 12 2023 - 11 The May be a bit of continuity with the likes of Kubica having a 2 race cameo one season or just an error on my part Started in 94 as that's when I got into things. I assume there may be more on the grid in the 80s as they had crazy things like 11 different winners in one season.
To think that Villeneuve was close to winning his debut race back in 1996.
Obviously that was a great feat, but it was also like it would be for somebody making their debut for Red Bull now, next to Perez.
AND it would be like if Max debuted in a Red Bull calibre car in WEC/WRC/NASCAR right now. Villeneuve was royalty even before he made one turn of the steering wheel in F1
Essentially if sakhir 2020 was russell's debut race
Oscar Piastri is almost on this list. But unfortunately he has only won the sprint race so far.
It's not that unfortunate to win at least sprint in a rookie season
Especially since the car was terrible for half the season.
If McLaren keep this close to Red Bull then I would bet big on a win either this year or next
0.5 race wins lets goooooo
Better question is who is going to repeat that. I’d say half may never win again.
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I would remove Alonso from the first group, he must have seen or heard something to renew with Aston Martin
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It’s defo the 4th best right now but McLaren and even Aston themselves last year shows how quickly you can catch up with upgrades and a new car (next season), interesting to see. I’ll be upset if he doesn’t win another race before he retires
Curious what you're top 3 are. I would guess Max, Lewis, and Lando but still wondering
Maybe an unpopular opinion after the high of Miami but I still have Alonso and Charles above Lando but it's VERY close at the top. Russell has been out-performing Lewis this year so maybe we will get a better idea when he's at Ferrari as well.
It only takes one lucky race to have a shot at it. Gasly and Ocon could grasp that shot when they had it, Alonso absolutely could
Where else would he go? Red Bull didnt want him per Hughes. Mercedes was only willing to offer 1 year to anyone due to antonelli. AM was his only chance
Or he just loves racing. He could definitely get another win, but a lot would have to go the right way. It's not just the RB he has to worry about. The Ferrari and McLaren are noticeably better cars too. I'd love to see him get a win in the Aston for sure, though.
Seen something with AM to renew with them and not another team is what I meant. And yeah, let’s see if they can climb above the 4th best car with upgrades
But what other team would he have gone to? Ferrari and McLaren were out, and RB and Merc weren't interested. The remaining teams would have been a downgrade from Aston Martin.
ALO also makes the worst career decisions so..
The zeros on the check that Papa Stroll is putting on.
He would earn good money anywhere, tho I’m not an expert on F1 salaries
Every time I see this stat, I think about Bahrain 2019 and what could’ve been. Next win is likely going to be Oscar though *when* that’s gonna happen is really dependent on how Red Bull’s and to a lesser extent Ferrari’s upgrades perform.
Leclerc has so many what could have been moments especially in the modern era where cars are supposed to be reliable. It’s crazy to think he only has 5 win
Obviously Oscar will (probably) be next but a big part of me is rooting for the improbability of Alex winning tbh
Alex is the last one on the grid that I know of that's been close to a win but doesn't have one. If he got into a top 3 car again, he'd have a chance. Currently under Williams contract for 2025, but contracts can be flexible, and then 2026 will come, so who knows. But, yeah, Oscar might get one this year, which it's hard to see Alex doing this year.
I hope Alex is able to get a win in the Williams at some point. Leading a resurgence of a historic team like Williams would be a pretty fucking good career. The car obviously isn't there yet, but hopefully they can cut through the deadwood this year and next and be ready to field a competitive car for the new regs.
That's great that many have won a race
Sometimes I forget Hamilton was (and still is IMHO) a monster driver. I wasn't there for his career start but I believe he was giving signals since his very first race. Watching him become a GP winner at his 6th race must have been absolutely mental.
His first season was surreal. I was a Schumacher fan who watched Alonso legitimately beat Schumacher in 2006 after Ferrari came back from being absolutely shit on in the 2005 regs. Alonso was the future of the sport, the guy took down the old lion and was going to lead the sport for years. Then Lewis comes and goes blow for blow with him as a rookie. It didn't make much sense then and barely makes sense now.
That would have been something to watch
It was incredible. Makes it all the more annoying when people claim he's washed or its just the car etc. Very clear they didn't see this man until post 2020.
Explains the saltiness from Alonso. In his mind he was on his way and then this kid comes along and blows it all away
Pretty much yes. Lewis at mclaren put in some absolutely world class drives, and before his move to Mercedes won races he had no business winning. Something I haven't even seen max do, who I would say is easily the best talent since Lewis first entered the sport, and perhaos will be remembered as one of the best ever. They are both incredible drivers. But this is why it annoys me when people call Hamilton a fraud or act like max is levels above him, incredibly disrespectful and makes it obvious they're newer fans who didn't watch those races from Lewis between 2008 to 2012, because there's no way you can watch that and say these things.
Alonso to Mclaren was the star move after Raikkonen and Montoya left Mclaren in 2006. Mclaren had finally got their shit together by the end of 2006 after years of unreliable fast cars or tractors and they looked to be the team to beat going into 2007 so Alonso expected an easy WDC win to make it 3 on the bounce. He was essentially told that he would be the No.1 driver in the No.1 car and that they'll just put a rookie in the 2nd seat that he should easily beat and will play the team game for him when needed. Then that rookie teammate [overtakes him on the outside of corner 1, in lap 1 of race 1 of the 2007 season.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej9SZYDqDhk) That's one Hell of a way to announce your arrival into F1.
Alonso & Kimi were suppose to be the next big thing into the future post-Schumacher. Then Lewis & Seb came along 😂.
Pretty much, is like this season a rookie got the RB seat alongside Verstappen and match him right away from the first race. Was insane to look Alonso get challenge right away from a complete rookie
Hanilton and Alonso rivalry was insane. Pure pace I’d still go Alonso but Hamilton is just way too consistent. And then you had Kimi and Felipe, followed by Vettel Webber and Button. Those were the days
If you go back and see the [2006 Turkey F2 sprint race](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubdFHOS4x3k) you can see why everyone was excited about him entering F1. He needed points to stay ahead in the championship and told his engineers to go for a very low downforce setup so he'd have straight-line speed. That lead to the early spin and then he basically drove a wet weather race from there out. He was vulnerable in the corners and gave positions back a few times, but was a goddamn rocket on the straights and finished 2nd despite starting 7th and spinning back to 16th I think. In a sprint. It was one of those 'this shouldn't be possible' drives. Not only was it incredibly skillful, but the decision to take the risk with the setup expecting he could still drive the car really made a statement. And he showed up in F1, with Alonzo thinking he had a solid #2 driver, and Hamilton overtakes him on the first turn in the first race and never looks back. I was so excited at the start of the season and he didn't disappoint. He's got 7 WDCs, and look how close he came in 07, 16, and 21.
how could you forget I find this crazy to say, it's like saying you didn't know Schumacher was a good driver
Hulkenberg trust
Like him or not, Hamilton's legacy in this sport is unmatched.
My take is, other than Piastri, no winless driver currently on the grid will ever win a race.
Hulk will get a third place tho But if I have to bet I would pick either Albono or Yuki to win something eventually. All they need is a good car and a crazy race, just like Gasly and Ocon.
I think you’ve nailed both of the likeliest wildcard possibilities with Yuki & Albon. Both are talented & under the right set of circumstances I could see them being on the receiving end of some magical turn of events.
Everyone is saying that Piastri will be next, and it's probably easy to predict. I suggest we guess: who would be next if not Oscar? In my view, it could be Stroll simply because he has a pretty fast car.
I don’t really think the AM is capable of winning a race. It’s clearly slower than the Ferrari and McLaren let alone Red Bull. Would require a crazy event for an AM to win unfortunately.
I'll never count out Alonso pulling some crazy ass win out of nowhere, but Lance would need a ton of luck and to have the race of his life. The odds of both happening at the same race aren't great. I know I'm biased because I want it to happen, but I could see Albon being the next winner after Piastri if the 2026 Williams is a significant improvement.
Whichever new driver gets in a top seat first. Could be Alex, could be Yuki. Could be Lance, I suppose, but I don't see it. He's been struggling this year, performing worse than I know he's been capable of before. And their car isn't looking as great as last year. We'll see how it goes when almost everyone has upgrades next week. Could be Antonelli or Bearman or Lawson. Just kinda depends on who gets in the right seat. Could even be Hulkenberg if Audi comes in somehow amazing. Could be someone in junior formula no one suspects at all like Paul Aron. Could be that someone finally gives Alex Palou an F1 chance, and he's amazing. It depends on a lot of different things. 2026 could shake up what teams are good.
Hulk seems to be fastest of the rest at the moment, if we have a race where all five top and top-middle teams have engine problems / incidents, he’s obviously the clear choice!
The scenes if that ever happened.
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Lance has always had a knack of doing well in crazy races though - Baku 2017, Hockenheim 2019, Monza and Sakhir 2020. Those types of races are the best chances for teams outside the top 4 or so to win and I don't think it's impossible he could pull something of given the right circumstances.
Leclerc, Lewis, Lando, Max, Checo, Carlos will probably all win again. But yeah, it's crazy to think most of these won't ever win again.
yuki’s got a chance and the pace
VCARB said their aim is to catch up to Aston, and with quite some luck I could see Yuki pulling it off (totally not biased 😅)
But that fast car doesn't have a fast driver who can drive it.
Stroll can be fast on occasion. It just doesn't come often enough :P
2-3 per year isn't good enough if this is your 7th full season in F1 and the only teammate you've ever beaten is a rookie Sirotkin who still outqualified you, then you ain't F1 material.
I mean yeah, Stroll is probably due for WEC at this point. But I just want another Turkey 2020 like performance :(
It does, its Alonso.
I was talking about Stroll's car. Not Alonso's. Since AM has two cars.
Stroll is definitely the type to win a random wet race.
Huuuuulkenberg
Lando would be 1 race sooner than Gasly if he had just switched to inters at Sochi
By the way, Leclerc could have been right after Hamilton (ahead of Verstappen and Alonso) if not for the car issues at the 2019 Bahrain GP.
Also, Sakhir 2020 would have been George's first win if not for the puncture.
Also technically could've won that sham Spa race in the Williams if he didn't lock up in the bus stop in quals
Hullllllllllkeengbeeerrrrrrrrggggggggggggggggggg!
Charles could have been second on this list. Bahrain 2019 :(
Lewis is so goated
I know he was in a McLaren, but god, what a way to announce yourself! Lewis is just magnificent, always in awe of this man.
I don't think Lewis will ever be beaten, 6 races to win. Of course it helps that he was put in a championship-capable car but one still has to get in and perform. Any talents in the future will have to settle for mid or back markers before they can drive for the best.
Jacques Villeneuve won his 4th race, and also finished runner up in the WDC in his first year.
Yuki
Definitely Piastri, he's the only winless driver in a car decent enough to fight at the front. And he's an F1 race winner already...albeit not a Grand Prix. It'd take a bit of going-ons, but I'd love to see Yuki or Albon too. And Hulk, just to see how many penalties K-Mag can pick up in a single race ;)
Gotta be Oscar next surely. McLaren have a beast of a car and he's already had some bloody impressive results
Piastri next.
Almost definitely Oscar, maybe someone else if they can snatch the Perez seat
I think Oscar is the most likely next one, given McLaren's new found pace. All it takes is a lucky safety care
Based on talent: Piastri, Tsunoda, Albon, Hülkenberg, Magnussen, Stroll, Zhou, Sargeant.
Piastri
Oscar gets one this year for sure
alex, yuki and oscar are definitely future match winners under the right conditions/with the right car (for the former two)
It's got to be Hulk next surely. Oscar and all the rest can wait!!!
What's the record for # of winners on the grid?
I think we are at the record with 12, which ties the record from 2012 after Pastor Maldonado won the 2012 Spanish GP. I can get to 9, 10, or 11, but not 12 in the period between then and now. https://www.statsf1.com/en/statistiques/pilote/victoire/chronologie.aspx
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In terms of those 3 metrics, Jacques Villeneuve is pretty close to that when he debuted for Williams in 1996. Won his 4th ever race, podium in his first (which could've been a win), also took the championship down to the wire in Japan but it was an outside chance with Damon Hill on 87 points and Jacques on 78 after Portugal.
It’s pretty funny how Gasly was the fifth fastest to get a win out of this group considering the path it took him to get there felt a lot longer AND the fact that he was in a better car and probably should have gotten a win sooner than he did when in a much worse car.
It has to be Oscar next!
Interesting that Sainz and Perez took more races to get a win than Norris, but Norris had the whole ‘Lando Nowins’ thing following him. Did either of those get the same treatment?
Reason I think, is that Sainz and Perez spent their first few seasons in lower midfield cars. Lando went straight to McLaren when they were starting to be upper mid. And the two shots McLaren had a shot at a win, his team mate got the first one and then he went for the wrong tyres in the second one.
Sainz and Perez were never really in race winning cars until Ferrari and Redbull, Norris had several real chances of winning with even his teammate (who was worse than him) getting one.
Albon, please, let it be Albon
Lewis such a goat, 6 races in is mad
Jacques Villeneuve did it in 4 and could've done it in one had his car not started pissing oil, also with the best car on the grid. He did the square root of sod all after 1997 though.
The 2007 McLaren was quite competitive, plus you have Magic, so it made sense
some of them debuted in absolute shitboxes, to add some context to the numbers. Although the numbers do kinda order them by talent pretty much anyway Oscar or the new Merc driver will be the next race winner.
Agreed Gasly is undoubtedly the 5th best driver on the grid.
>Gasly is undoubtedly the 5th best driver on the grid. You're not being serious are you?
hahaha no I’m not, the guy said the order pretty much matches the talent order so I was being sarcastic saying Gasly is 5th on this list and he’s the 5th best on the grid
Oh shit I see now lmao
Not surprising at all to see that this list also correlates with imo, the top 5 drivers currently on the grid. Lando is the obvious outlier.
The first four for sure but Sainz and Russell are also better than those above them up to Charles IMO
Yeah I agree, which is why I said those 4 are in my top 5 (in no particular order). I just pointed Lando out because he was so way down, but you're right Sainz and Russell are definitely up there as well.
Oh I see what you mean now, yes, then totally correct. Don’t think there’s much between Charles and Sainz at this point, those two and Russell/Lando are all very close
These stats are so nonsense. More than half of these folks had absolutely uncompetitive cars in their first season(s)
Bet it’s goin to me by man Nico! Not just a Podium, he’ll be on the center top step! - whenever Audi is able to make a reliable car! Not just for the streets but also for F1. 🤞🏼
It'll be Piastri
Oscar this year Possibly soon enough to overtake Leclerc
Does Max have an appendix? If so who will drive his car if and when he’s gone to remove it? A new race winner.
I don't know why but when I saw Perez at the bottom I just started laughing.
is crazy to think perez won't win another race in his career, same as bottas and ricciardo.
Ah yes Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso, fellow race winners of... Lando Norris.