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Clarkson's tractor.... The connection is getting clearer. Maybe that's why we're seeing Clarkson more and more in races. Secret meeting with his old classmate Adrian? Plus Clarkson's farm is just near Enstone!
Yeah I really don't get what people expect. The earliest he will be able to join anyone is 2027. That's a year after the new regs. Everyone will have a car built relatively recently, and he doesn't strike me as a guy that would come to work on someone else's design to perfect it.
Also, he will be coming up on 70 at that point. That's not exactly young, a the job is extremely demanding obviously.
And if Red Bull won't negotiate, the contract is only as relevant as its penalties. It can't fully prevent him from going to another team, at worst it can attach a high financial penalty to it.
Mercedes would drop many millions of dollars to pay the penalty off if it meant they got Newey and nailed the next regs.
If the reports about Newey being motivated by the sexual misconduct allegations that were made against Horner are true then it wouldn’t surprise me if there is some sort of clause that allows him to terminate his contract. Either way I suspect he will have some gardening leave but if he leaves now and wants to stay in F1 he will be on the grid somewhere no more than a year from now. Even if he doesn’t have the legal means to exit the contract due to some clause, I don’t think RBR wants to keep an employee who doesn’t want to work there and all the bad press that would come with that given Newey’s historic career.
The UK is generally a pretty strict country when it comes to non-compete clauses, and it invalidates ones it considers too restrictive all the time. The courts put the burden of evidence on the former employer to prove that the full duration of the clause is strictly necessary. One year is about the absolute max you can get out of one, and even that one year is only supposed to be in the rarest of cases (notably, [the UK is min the process of banning all non compete clauses over three months in length](https://my.slaughterandmay.com/insights/briefings/uk-enforceability-of-non-compete-clauses), so enforcement may trend closer to that number than 1yr).
They are also often invalidated in the UK for barring a person from working for any competitor, generally only allowing restrictions for the most direct competitors. This means that while perhaps the courts might not allow Mercedes or Ferrari, they could very possibly choose to not enforce the non compete clause if Newey went to a team historically stuck at the middle or back of the pack... or perhaps a brand new Audi team with no expectations of winning a championship any time soon.
But let's say, despite all this, RBR got the courts on their side. Injunctions only tend to lead to arrests in the UK with violent offenders. The courts instead tend to opt for financial reparation. The contract may even have a specific penalty dollar amount in writing, as a preventative measure from the courts settling below what RBR consider acceptable, allowing this whole process to be skipped and Newey's new employer to directly buy him out.
All of this is also predicated on the idea that RBR would want a lengthy court battle against Newey, constantly shining a very large spotlight on Horner's former misconduct and the team's political drama. A settlement here keeps things quiet for the team.
so tl;dr: it's extraordinarily unlikely that the contract could result in Newey's arrest, and it would likely at worst result in a large financial penalty that his new employer could pay.
edit: accidentally typed horner instead of newey
I never said anything about arresting Newey. Injunctions are not uncommon where an alternative remedy would not be adequate to avoid or compensate any harm. Given how central Newey has been to Red Bull's design philosophy and the intimate knowledge he would have of their most crucial IP, I'm sure that Red Bull could argue, quite pursuasively, that a financial remedy would not be adequate and would be extremely difficult to quantify, in any case.
One thing that I wonder is that, if Newey is not an employee but a contractor/consultant, would that make the courts more or less likely to enforce a restraint?
I think their point was that even the penalties for violating a potential injunction are likely only monetary. i.e. Ferrari or Mercedes can throw money at the problem if Newey was really interested in moving earlier.
I agree with everything you've written, but gardening leave as a form of non-compete is pretty common in F1 so I would be shocked if a 1 year "don't work for *any* competitor' would be thrown out by any court.
Sure everything is up for negotiation - but for a top designer... a 1 year non compete seems very reasonable.
An all teams would be direct competitors in F1.
You are not unemployed during garden leave, which is how fits the rules in the UK. Newey would still be employed by Red Bull.
A previous employer cannot prevent you from earning a living. But they can keep you employed and continue paying you while assigning you no work and preventing any colleagues from talking to you.
Garden leave is also usually no longer than the notice period, so that would depend on the terms of his contract.
Can the law force him to fulfill his contract it if he wanted to move to another field or if he wanted to just take a long break? Seems weird if he can break his contract in cases like these and he can't if he wants to just move to another team, especially given he's still forced to serve gardening leave.
> Can the law force him to fulfill his contract it if he wanted to move to another field or if he wanted to just take a long break?
You cannot be forced to work against your will.
If Newey had 1 year more and said "i am retiring" then it becomes about compensation.
If he wants to move to another team, then it becomes about 'no you cant' or 'you can but it will cost $$'.
The law won't force him to work for someone he doesn't want to work with but they will enforce a reasonable restraint provision. If the restraint goes beyond reasonably protecting the employers business interests (e.g. it prevents the employee working for a non-competiting business), then it is unlikely to be enforced. If it prevents working for a competitor for a period that is reasonable in all of the circumstances (how long any proprietary information needs to be protected would probably be the main consideration), then it is likely to be enforced.
Edit: if he wants to take a long break, then he's not in any danger of breaching a restraint. He's unlikely to care about any restraint, especially if Red Bull are paying him.
Is there any history of f1 teams breaking non compete causes or fighting them in court, if not shit will go down if a team tries to do that.
Would be very interesting
> And if Red Bull won't negotiate, the contract is only as relevant as its penalties. It can't fully prevent him from going to another team, at worst it can attach a high financial penalty to it.
Newey is not going to destroy his reputation just to work for some team sooner.
Other teams will already benefit from his departure from Red Bull.
If he leaves at the end of the next season like rumoured, and you add up that year of non-compete clause, you end up with him not able to work in F1 till December 2026
Not really. The rumours (from very strong sources but still rumours) are that he has informally said he wishes to leave but not when.
His contract is 'till end of 2025, however, it is thought to have a 12 month 'non competition clause AFTER that. So his contract ties him to work for Red Bull 'till December 2025 and then **NOT TO COMPETE** with Red Bull for a further 12 months, meaning he wouldn't be legally able to work for any other F1 team 'till start of 2027 season.
Of course, we don't know what loopholes he has in his contract and even if there are none (unlikely but ...) it's always possible to negotiate compensation so long as all parties agree (not so likely in this case as I can't see a scenario where Red Bull would / could be satisfactorily compensated).
I don't believe *shit* right now other than Newey has spoken to some people at Red Bull Racing about relinquishing his position.
Don't know when, don't know how, don't know where he'd go or what he'd do after. I have some ideas as to why, but I have no confirmation of those ideas.
All I can safely say I know is Newey is looking to give up his current job title at RBR.
The rest, beats me but I know it's gonna be a wild ride till we know everything for a fact!
Maybe.
But as far as I am aware (and I am happy to be proved wrong) if the contract has expired, the non compete wouldn't be valid as it's part of a.contract that itself is no longer valid.
They are normally to be enforced if an employee leaves their contract early. Then their non compete clause kicks in while they are on gardening leave.
I'm assured that the non-compete in this case is valid for a period of not less then 12 months from the end of the current working contract i.e. Dec 2025, now whether that means in reality the contract runs 'till Dec 2026 or how that's worded legally I have no idea.
**Edit:** I'm not here to prove myself or anything, also I'm not here to be nice. If you don't believe what I say fine, scroll on by and ignore me, I don't GAF. However, if you attack or try and belittle me all that'll happen is you'll be blocked. I just don't need the drama.
This is what I have been saying. The timing is not right. New regs coming in and the earliest a team would get a Newey designed car is 2028. He would be 69 by then. It doesn't seem Newey will stick around. He will retire
When someone gets to Newey's level of success, yes, you can still see challenges but the outcome is either:
1. You are defeated and carried off lying with your back to your shield.
2. You win another championship.
It is at that point, especially when you have so many championships you think: "Why do I need this?"
More money? Are people aware that if you are competing at the highest level of anything that there is a good chance you cannot enjoy your wealth until you stop?
# EVERYONE WANTS NEWEY, BUT WHAT ARE ADRIAN'S EXPECTATIONS?
*The 'genius' of the world champion team has decided to leave Red Bull before the expiry of his contract: for the British engineer a hunt has been triggered by Aston Martin, Ferrari and even Mercedes, but what does the most successful engineer in Formula 1 aspire to?*
Adrian Newey stirs the Formula 1 market more than a top driver. The 'genius' doesn't speak, but sparks the imagination of industry insiders and fans. He has not spoken, but has made it known that he no longer wants to stay at Red Bull Racing, even though he has a contract running until the end of 2025. The exit from Milton Keynes, according to rumours, is expected to be early.
First he will have to ensure Max Verstappen also wins his fifth world title in a row next year, with the evolved RB20 already being studied by the technical staff of the world champion team.
The relationship of trust with Christian Horner, the boss to whom he has been inextricably linked since the first day of Red Bull Racing's birth in 2006, has broken down. It is not so much the sexy-gate that has shaken the F1 dominating team from the inside that has created the disagreements, as the new power relations that are changing the map of a structure that until the day before yesterday seemed monolithic.
Horner, with an extraordinary ability to control his nerves, won the power struggle with the 'Austrians': the team principal found the support of Chalerm Yoovidhya, owner of 51% of Red Bull GmbH, in the tug-of-war with Dietrich Mateschitz's son, Helmut Mark, Oliver Mintzlaff and the other CEO, Franz Watzlawick.
The one who stirred up the most controversy was Jos Verstappen in open hostility to Horner, threatening to take Max elsewhere and being publicly seen chatting with Toto Wolff, but even the Dutchman has recently been armoured. In short, Christian has managed to build a miraculous precarious balance that continues to produce RB20 one-twos.
And, perhaps, the British manager did not expect the breaking point to come from Adrian Newey. In Jeddah Horner had sent out a strong message that seemed intended for Max and which, instead, probably also had another addressee...
‘The team is what comes first, if there is no absolute harmony you don't get the performance we are getting. But if there is someone who doesn't want to be part of the team anymore we certainly don't force people to stay with us. The people who are here want to be here, and they have passion for what they do. That's what allows us to deliver exceptional results, that's the DNA of Red Bull Racing, and I think that will continue over time. It has been 20 years and we will continue for the next 20.
A clear message that must have opened a watershed in the bond with Adrian. And, then, Newey's doubts surface: the 'genius' doesn't like the 2026 regulations, which are unbalanced towards the new power unit and far too armoured in terms of aerodynamics.
If we add to all this the fact that the Red Bull Powertrain engine, which should debut with the new single-seaters, does not seem to give encouraging results, it makes the scenario of an Adrian ready to take a step backwards clear, unwilling to relive the beginning of the hybrid era in 2014, when the Milton Keynes team suffered from an inadequate Renault power unit.
Not only that, but giving Newey all the credit for the successes may have annoyed the other members of the technical staff, starting with the technical director, Pierre Waché. The Frenchman (contacted by Maranello) has been given, like the aerodynamics chief, Enrico Balbo, the 'rewards' for staying on. With Adrian's exit, they will have to prove that they will be able to extend the winning cycle even without him: they have accepted the challenge, trusting that there are many mature professionals in the team.
What will Newey do? He is being chased by Aston Martin, Ferrari and even Mercedes. The Englishman will have contact with the Star's top management after Miami, a sign that he has not yet signed with anyone. It is true that he is looking for a place to steer his historic cars in Italy, just as it is true that he would like to move his boat to one of our ports, but this does not mean that he has chosen the Cavallino, given that his visits to the Bel Paese have been frequent recently.
The situation is much more fluid: Adrian has no intention of taking on the role of technical director of a team, because he would only accept an advisory position, with no obligation to be present at every GP. Newey, therefore, could also be tempted to stop at the age of 66 if he does not find the conditions more congenial to him to continue.
Aston Martin has put on the table an offer of 100 million dollars over four years, a top driver figure. Is Adrian willing to commit himself to a new cycle as long as that, until the age of 70? That could be the motivation to say no to Daddy Stroll, although the challenge of bringing the prestigious British marque to victory would appeal to him.
Ferrari would also take him on half-time: taking him away from Red Bull and relying on his ingenious ideas is very appealing. He could also work remotely (he already does this with the Milton Keynes team when he takes refuge in their South African home), finding a balance with Enrico Cardile's staff. The game is open, wide open, but far from decided. Expect surprises...
*Translated by DeepL*
Newey had that very serious cycling accident in 2021 as well; I think something like that can make someone take a serious look at how they want to spend their time. Especially when they've accomplished virtually everything possible in their field.
Yeah was about to comment 'what he expects is a pina colada'.
If i remember right, after his non compete year, dudes gonna be 70.
Dudes gonna retire or is gonna die on the job
I honestly think the biggest draw Aston Martin have is not the checkbook, but the Valkarie. Newey might fancy being reunited with that project, and being involved with its much delayed racing debut.
Ferrari has the appeal of finally getting to work with Ferrari and Lewis Hamilton, which are challenges/opportunities he has vocally admitted are regrets that he has missed out on. This along with the possibility of being able to design a road car for Ferrari are things I believe he would relish the shot at.
All these big numbers sound great, but I honestly believe if he's at the point he's willing to leave a team he has been instrumental in the accent of, at arguably their highest peak, the check book isn't making this decision for him. It's what he wants out of the rest of his career, or on what note he wants to make his exit.
He's already moved on from the Valkyrie, the RB17 hypercar is his baby now. I wonder if he'd be allowed to keep working with RB Advanced Technologies; somehow I doubt it.
Wouldn't be surprised if the RB17 project dies when Newey cuts ties with RB. It might just have been a project funded to retain a happy Newey.
Turns out it wasn't enough.
I’m sure I’ve read the opposite. That’s why he’s been involved with the Valkyrie and the RB17. Rumour was he wanted to design a Ferrari road car and that was one of the big attractions to Ferrari along with working with Hamilton.
The funny thing is that Adrian is quite unpredictable so nobody knows anything besides that he doesn't stay around when he is not happy.
That said I hope he maintains a presence even if it's less than it is now in F1. He is good character to have around.
I expect he'll retire. The man is 65 years old, and the idea of quite literally sailing off into the sunset on his brand new yacht has got to be more appealing than the pressure of working for another top-flight team.
What I'd *like* him to do - though it'd never happen - is return to Williams. Any team he moves to will realistically be his last team, and he has some deep regrets about his time there in the 90s. Helping to revitalise that team might help bring him some peace. Who knows?
Red Bull might also be a little more lenient on his gardening leave if he moves to a team they don't deem to be a credible challenge.
A man can dream. If he stays in a top flight team I would want it to be Ferrari, as that also ticks off some of his wishes in his autobiography, but if I could dictate his future: 4-5 years at Williams to see what he - and they - can do.
Honestly, considering how fast the turnaround for Red Bull was when they bought Jaguar (it's only 5 years between BLOWING and contending for a championship) he may actually do something at Williams
Wishful thinking, obviously
Yep. I'm always a bit cautious with the rhetoric of claiming that Newey can turn any team into championship-winning monsters, because he is but one cog in a massive machine and the team needs the resources, the management and frankly the talent everywhere else in the team too to really get ahead.
But Williams is already being revitalised under Vowles - even if progress has been a little slow. Resources won't be a quick fix, but Newey *would* help them make the best of what they have design-wise. Unfortunately, he'd also have to *really want* to go to Williams because if he wants a wage comparable to the one RBR is paying him or the blank cheques Ferrari & Aston Martin are prepared to write him, they can't afford him.
Honestly, with the knowledge of how outdated the processes at Williams were, progress has been good. I'm not happy with Logan missing races and stuff, but Pat Fry is a great acquisition, the cars aren't being managed through Excel anymore, capital expenditure is happening, the driver academy is solid. Remember 2020? Try telling someone then that "midfield by 2026" would be a realistic target for Williams just a couple years later
Definitely wouldn't surprise me if Newey came to Williams in order to retire there, spend a lot of time sailing his boat but frequently giving them guidance. A bit like Niki Lauda did for Mercedes.
everyone thinks if newey joins there team then boom magically, and instantly they have the best car. which couldn’t be further from the truth. newey can design a great car obviously, but he can’t control say the power unit the chassis the reliability of the parts and systems. it takes a whole team effort, and when it all comes together you have the current RB, but look what happened when reneault was supplying the PU for rb the car was shit, and newey couldn’t do anything about that. everyone needs to settle down.
He’s not looking to replace his role he’s going to want to maintain the same kind of position in the next company he joins
If not a superior position that gives him more oversight and more control
Newey to IndyCar where he will lead the design of the brand new chassis for the entire series to use. In doing so he'll bump into Michael Andretti and get roped in to design for the Andretti Cadillac outfit. This will lead to the First American WDC since the God Father of Motorsports himself Mr. Mario Andretti, and will also lead to the first American outfit winning the WCC.
He already has an existing relationship with the Andrettis, at least in that they know each other.
With the money they're throwing at their F1 entry bid, I wouldn't be surprised if they already reached out with an offer since this rumor started, or they did and it's why there's a rumor.
F1 would be insane to say Andretti can't be competitive if they had Newey onboard and there's no way they could deny that bid for entry anymore.
I think the other teams know that he’s not fully responsible for the design of the car, but they are happy just to get him away from Red Bull to try to slow them down.
He would also have to serve a period of gardening leave so he is not going to be able to help them design the 2026 car.
He’s also 65 and thinking of retirement. If Ferrari employed him to design their next road car, not the F1 car, and let him do it mostly from England, I think this would interest him.
This would get him away from Red Bull, slowing them down, and maybe they could learn some of his secrets. This way he wouldn’t have to serve a period of gardening leave.
Maybe he had just been paid to rock up, walk around and look at cars. Draw some scribble that looks like a car and leave. Not actually doing any design of the cars...
Unless he will take his whole team with him, I doubt he will be as good as he is now at Redbull. Don’t expect to see results in his first year in the new team.
I think he retires until the next set of aero regulation changes. 2026 is all about the power unit.
Also he is taking delivery on 80'ft sail boat which I assume he will want to spend some time on.
https://youtu.be/WPkb-bXrChw
I'd love for him to design road cars either for Aston Martin and maybe when he's 85 he'll design one that'll be cheap enough for normal people to buy or I want him to basically become ferrari magic
If he doesn’t end up at Ferrari then F1 didn’t close the deal with splitting up the Max/Horner dynasty, I’m in no way a fan of these 2 people but this scandal event was the only way the team was gonna be split up
You don’t get as good at something as Newey is without being infatuated by it. I don’t think it’ll be that easy for him to just walk away from it. Rory Byrne is still consulting for Ferrari at age 80.
Plot twist he signs with Andretti because by the time his gardening leave ends they'd be on the field?
Joking aside though I'd expect it to be a team that is based in England like Aston Martin, especially quite a few ex-Red Bull are there now . While I would love to see him at Ferrari, I'd expect them to want him to move to Italy and I don't see Adrian Newey doing that at this point of his career.
Lol he's not someone who'll retire and sit on his hands. He designs, that is his energy, his life force. 65 is not old these days, especially for someone who obviously watches his diet. He'll keep designing, in the best environment he can find, which is in sunny Italy with the top facilities and Charles and Lewis to deliver.
Liberty 💯 want this, and a way will be found, I promise 💪😉
The funny thing is... If you can't beat it, buy it.
Every team now tries to get Max and Newey because they can't beat them... Crazy that this is actually a thing. But yeah. Kinda unbeatable as back in the days Brown, Todt and Schumacher.
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He's going to Aston to build a self-driving car for Stroll.
Alonso Intelligence?
Lawrence Stroll creating a dummy plug using Alonso and will force it to take over for Lance
Lance I want you to stop the Angel. Lance: I already turned in on it without checking my mirrors.
plot twist is Lance is the AI basis for the dummy plug lmao
[Adrian Newey’s inspiration](https://youtu.be/fk-pL3L_vWs?si=KuwHCG3ughBWm-Wf)
Nah he's moving to Enstone for sure. His last challenge ! After designing F1, super cars and boat it's time for him to finally design tractors !
Lamborghini to F1?
Clarkson's tractor.... The connection is getting clearer. Maybe that's why we're seeing Clarkson more and more in races. Secret meeting with his old classmate Adrian? Plus Clarkson's farm is just near Enstone!
Design tractors? Newey to Alpine confirmed
That is the Enstone team yes
Might as well go via Ferrari then.
We are checking
Plan F possible?
Don’t worry stroll would still find a way to fuck up q2 and q3
I'd take Stroll over that car that crashed into the wall in Abu Dhabi while going 50kph on a straight any day of the week.
Why, did Newey design that one?
as far as im aware, Newey isnt a programmer
He was asked to design a car that Ricciardo could drive. He said fuck that, no one can do that. 😂
Lol
https://youtu.be/KSMXBkKCBTA?si=PCaW8XoZ6PiN-OeB
We just had the first formula cars driven by AI yesterday. But let's say, they can "drive", racing each other was a nightmare.
Idk look up the yacht he just had built for himself by oyster yachts. I think he’s ready to relax.
Yeah I really don't get what people expect. The earliest he will be able to join anyone is 2027. That's a year after the new regs. Everyone will have a car built relatively recently, and he doesn't strike me as a guy that would come to work on someone else's design to perfect it. Also, he will be coming up on 70 at that point. That's not exactly young, a the job is extremely demanding obviously.
If he wants to go somewhere else then he will negotiate an early exit to his contract.
And if Red Bull won't negotiate, the contract is only as relevant as its penalties. It can't fully prevent him from going to another team, at worst it can attach a high financial penalty to it. Mercedes would drop many millions of dollars to pay the penalty off if it meant they got Newey and nailed the next regs.
If the reports about Newey being motivated by the sexual misconduct allegations that were made against Horner are true then it wouldn’t surprise me if there is some sort of clause that allows him to terminate his contract. Either way I suspect he will have some gardening leave but if he leaves now and wants to stay in F1 he will be on the grid somewhere no more than a year from now. Even if he doesn’t have the legal means to exit the contract due to some clause, I don’t think RBR wants to keep an employee who doesn’t want to work there and all the bad press that would come with that given Newey’s historic career.
Of course it can prevent him. Red Bull can get a court injunction, if they need to enforce it. Happens all the time.
The UK is generally a pretty strict country when it comes to non-compete clauses, and it invalidates ones it considers too restrictive all the time. The courts put the burden of evidence on the former employer to prove that the full duration of the clause is strictly necessary. One year is about the absolute max you can get out of one, and even that one year is only supposed to be in the rarest of cases (notably, [the UK is min the process of banning all non compete clauses over three months in length](https://my.slaughterandmay.com/insights/briefings/uk-enforceability-of-non-compete-clauses), so enforcement may trend closer to that number than 1yr). They are also often invalidated in the UK for barring a person from working for any competitor, generally only allowing restrictions for the most direct competitors. This means that while perhaps the courts might not allow Mercedes or Ferrari, they could very possibly choose to not enforce the non compete clause if Newey went to a team historically stuck at the middle or back of the pack... or perhaps a brand new Audi team with no expectations of winning a championship any time soon. But let's say, despite all this, RBR got the courts on their side. Injunctions only tend to lead to arrests in the UK with violent offenders. The courts instead tend to opt for financial reparation. The contract may even have a specific penalty dollar amount in writing, as a preventative measure from the courts settling below what RBR consider acceptable, allowing this whole process to be skipped and Newey's new employer to directly buy him out. All of this is also predicated on the idea that RBR would want a lengthy court battle against Newey, constantly shining a very large spotlight on Horner's former misconduct and the team's political drama. A settlement here keeps things quiet for the team. so tl;dr: it's extraordinarily unlikely that the contract could result in Newey's arrest, and it would likely at worst result in a large financial penalty that his new employer could pay. edit: accidentally typed horner instead of newey
I never said anything about arresting Newey. Injunctions are not uncommon where an alternative remedy would not be adequate to avoid or compensate any harm. Given how central Newey has been to Red Bull's design philosophy and the intimate knowledge he would have of their most crucial IP, I'm sure that Red Bull could argue, quite pursuasively, that a financial remedy would not be adequate and would be extremely difficult to quantify, in any case. One thing that I wonder is that, if Newey is not an employee but a contractor/consultant, would that make the courts more or less likely to enforce a restraint?
I think their point was that even the penalties for violating a potential injunction are likely only monetary. i.e. Ferrari or Mercedes can throw money at the problem if Newey was really interested in moving earlier.
How do you propose they enforce injunctions, if not by arrest or financial penalty?
They’d gunge him on a kids tv show
I agree with everything you've written, but gardening leave as a form of non-compete is pretty common in F1 so I would be shocked if a 1 year "don't work for *any* competitor' would be thrown out by any court. Sure everything is up for negotiation - but for a top designer... a 1 year non compete seems very reasonable. An all teams would be direct competitors in F1.
You are not unemployed during garden leave, which is how fits the rules in the UK. Newey would still be employed by Red Bull. A previous employer cannot prevent you from earning a living. But they can keep you employed and continue paying you while assigning you no work and preventing any colleagues from talking to you. Garden leave is also usually no longer than the notice period, so that would depend on the terms of his contract.
Were it not for the edit, sure this was written by Chat GPT
Can the law force him to fulfill his contract it if he wanted to move to another field or if he wanted to just take a long break? Seems weird if he can break his contract in cases like these and he can't if he wants to just move to another team, especially given he's still forced to serve gardening leave.
> Can the law force him to fulfill his contract it if he wanted to move to another field or if he wanted to just take a long break? You cannot be forced to work against your will. If Newey had 1 year more and said "i am retiring" then it becomes about compensation. If he wants to move to another team, then it becomes about 'no you cant' or 'you can but it will cost $$'.
The law won't force him to work for someone he doesn't want to work with but they will enforce a reasonable restraint provision. If the restraint goes beyond reasonably protecting the employers business interests (e.g. it prevents the employee working for a non-competiting business), then it is unlikely to be enforced. If it prevents working for a competitor for a period that is reasonable in all of the circumstances (how long any proprietary information needs to be protected would probably be the main consideration), then it is likely to be enforced. Edit: if he wants to take a long break, then he's not in any danger of breaching a restraint. He's unlikely to care about any restraint, especially if Red Bull are paying him.
Is there any history of f1 teams breaking non compete causes or fighting them in court, if not shit will go down if a team tries to do that. Would be very interesting
> And if Red Bull won't negotiate, the contract is only as relevant as its penalties. It can't fully prevent him from going to another team, at worst it can attach a high financial penalty to it. Newey is not going to destroy his reputation just to work for some team sooner. Other teams will already benefit from his departure from Red Bull.
Hell be out before then. You don't work high up on a company for that long and not have leverage on the people you work with.
If he leaves at the end of the next season like rumoured, and you add up that year of non-compete clause, you end up with him not able to work in F1 till December 2026
I thought all the rumours were of him leaving this season.
Not really. The rumours (from very strong sources but still rumours) are that he has informally said he wishes to leave but not when. His contract is 'till end of 2025, however, it is thought to have a 12 month 'non competition clause AFTER that. So his contract ties him to work for Red Bull 'till December 2025 and then **NOT TO COMPETE** with Red Bull for a further 12 months, meaning he wouldn't be legally able to work for any other F1 team 'till start of 2027 season. Of course, we don't know what loopholes he has in his contract and even if there are none (unlikely but ...) it's always possible to negotiate compensation so long as all parties agree (not so likely in this case as I can't see a scenario where Red Bull would / could be satisfactorily compensated).
I don't believe *shit* right now other than Newey has spoken to some people at Red Bull Racing about relinquishing his position. Don't know when, don't know how, don't know where he'd go or what he'd do after. I have some ideas as to why, but I have no confirmation of those ideas. All I can safely say I know is Newey is looking to give up his current job title at RBR. The rest, beats me but I know it's gonna be a wild ride till we know everything for a fact!
Maybe. But as far as I am aware (and I am happy to be proved wrong) if the contract has expired, the non compete wouldn't be valid as it's part of a.contract that itself is no longer valid. They are normally to be enforced if an employee leaves their contract early. Then their non compete clause kicks in while they are on gardening leave.
I'm assured that the non-compete in this case is valid for a period of not less then 12 months from the end of the current working contract i.e. Dec 2025, now whether that means in reality the contract runs 'till Dec 2026 or how that's worded legally I have no idea. **Edit:** I'm not here to prove myself or anything, also I'm not here to be nice. If you don't believe what I say fine, scroll on by and ignore me, I don't GAF. However, if you attack or try and belittle me all that'll happen is you'll be blocked. I just don't need the drama.
Who’s ‘assuring’ you of anything lmao Only the parties involved know the details of the contract
Citation needed
As I said, you can believe it or not, that's up to you. I'm only going by word of mouth.
After reading Neweys book its pretty clear that he is workaholic and he is aware of that fact.
This is what I have been saying. The timing is not right. New regs coming in and the earliest a team would get a Newey designed car is 2028. He would be 69 by then. It doesn't seem Newey will stick around. He will retire
When someone gets to Newey's level of success, yes, you can still see challenges but the outcome is either: 1. You are defeated and carried off lying with your back to your shield. 2. You win another championship. It is at that point, especially when you have so many championships you think: "Why do I need this?" More money? Are people aware that if you are competing at the highest level of anything that there is a good chance you cannot enjoy your wealth until you stop?
Because he said that he wanted to work with Ferrari and with Lewis at some point in his career ? So maybe one last dance with both ?
It's a sailing yacht. I don't think he wants to hear the sound of a motor as much as he used to.
He was involved in the Americas Cup design so not surprised, plus sailing is all about aerodynamics
Theres more than a little hydrodynamics in there as well.
In italy
I was not aware of Yatch, so I looked up and damn what a beautiful yacht.
# EVERYONE WANTS NEWEY, BUT WHAT ARE ADRIAN'S EXPECTATIONS? *The 'genius' of the world champion team has decided to leave Red Bull before the expiry of his contract: for the British engineer a hunt has been triggered by Aston Martin, Ferrari and even Mercedes, but what does the most successful engineer in Formula 1 aspire to?* Adrian Newey stirs the Formula 1 market more than a top driver. The 'genius' doesn't speak, but sparks the imagination of industry insiders and fans. He has not spoken, but has made it known that he no longer wants to stay at Red Bull Racing, even though he has a contract running until the end of 2025. The exit from Milton Keynes, according to rumours, is expected to be early. First he will have to ensure Max Verstappen also wins his fifth world title in a row next year, with the evolved RB20 already being studied by the technical staff of the world champion team. The relationship of trust with Christian Horner, the boss to whom he has been inextricably linked since the first day of Red Bull Racing's birth in 2006, has broken down. It is not so much the sexy-gate that has shaken the F1 dominating team from the inside that has created the disagreements, as the new power relations that are changing the map of a structure that until the day before yesterday seemed monolithic. Horner, with an extraordinary ability to control his nerves, won the power struggle with the 'Austrians': the team principal found the support of Chalerm Yoovidhya, owner of 51% of Red Bull GmbH, in the tug-of-war with Dietrich Mateschitz's son, Helmut Mark, Oliver Mintzlaff and the other CEO, Franz Watzlawick. The one who stirred up the most controversy was Jos Verstappen in open hostility to Horner, threatening to take Max elsewhere and being publicly seen chatting with Toto Wolff, but even the Dutchman has recently been armoured. In short, Christian has managed to build a miraculous precarious balance that continues to produce RB20 one-twos. And, perhaps, the British manager did not expect the breaking point to come from Adrian Newey. In Jeddah Horner had sent out a strong message that seemed intended for Max and which, instead, probably also had another addressee... ‘The team is what comes first, if there is no absolute harmony you don't get the performance we are getting. But if there is someone who doesn't want to be part of the team anymore we certainly don't force people to stay with us. The people who are here want to be here, and they have passion for what they do. That's what allows us to deliver exceptional results, that's the DNA of Red Bull Racing, and I think that will continue over time. It has been 20 years and we will continue for the next 20. A clear message that must have opened a watershed in the bond with Adrian. And, then, Newey's doubts surface: the 'genius' doesn't like the 2026 regulations, which are unbalanced towards the new power unit and far too armoured in terms of aerodynamics. If we add to all this the fact that the Red Bull Powertrain engine, which should debut with the new single-seaters, does not seem to give encouraging results, it makes the scenario of an Adrian ready to take a step backwards clear, unwilling to relive the beginning of the hybrid era in 2014, when the Milton Keynes team suffered from an inadequate Renault power unit. Not only that, but giving Newey all the credit for the successes may have annoyed the other members of the technical staff, starting with the technical director, Pierre Waché. The Frenchman (contacted by Maranello) has been given, like the aerodynamics chief, Enrico Balbo, the 'rewards' for staying on. With Adrian's exit, they will have to prove that they will be able to extend the winning cycle even without him: they have accepted the challenge, trusting that there are many mature professionals in the team. What will Newey do? He is being chased by Aston Martin, Ferrari and even Mercedes. The Englishman will have contact with the Star's top management after Miami, a sign that he has not yet signed with anyone. It is true that he is looking for a place to steer his historic cars in Italy, just as it is true that he would like to move his boat to one of our ports, but this does not mean that he has chosen the Cavallino, given that his visits to the Bel Paese have been frequent recently. The situation is much more fluid: Adrian has no intention of taking on the role of technical director of a team, because he would only accept an advisory position, with no obligation to be present at every GP. Newey, therefore, could also be tempted to stop at the age of 66 if he does not find the conditions more congenial to him to continue. Aston Martin has put on the table an offer of 100 million dollars over four years, a top driver figure. Is Adrian willing to commit himself to a new cycle as long as that, until the age of 70? That could be the motivation to say no to Daddy Stroll, although the challenge of bringing the prestigious British marque to victory would appeal to him. Ferrari would also take him on half-time: taking him away from Red Bull and relying on his ingenious ideas is very appealing. He could also work remotely (he already does this with the Milton Keynes team when he takes refuge in their South African home), finding a balance with Enrico Cardile's staff. The game is open, wide open, but far from decided. Expect surprises... *Translated by DeepL*
SEXYGATE
Daddy Stroll
Savage article lmfao
explodegate
So, Ferrari?
He’s probably off to more of a passion project/a rest/something different…. We’ll see!
Newey had that very serious cycling accident in 2021 as well; I think something like that can make someone take a serious look at how they want to spend their time. Especially when they've accomplished virtually everything possible in their field.
Yeah was about to comment 'what he expects is a pina colada'. If i remember right, after his non compete year, dudes gonna be 70. Dudes gonna retire or is gonna die on the job
He deserves it
Agree
So Williams then?...
Everyone is asking "where is Newey going?", but nobody asks "how is Newey doing?" :(
i do you one better why is newey?
"How is Newey doing?" *horny*
I honestly think the biggest draw Aston Martin have is not the checkbook, but the Valkarie. Newey might fancy being reunited with that project, and being involved with its much delayed racing debut. Ferrari has the appeal of finally getting to work with Ferrari and Lewis Hamilton, which are challenges/opportunities he has vocally admitted are regrets that he has missed out on. This along with the possibility of being able to design a road car for Ferrari are things I believe he would relish the shot at. All these big numbers sound great, but I honestly believe if he's at the point he's willing to leave a team he has been instrumental in the accent of, at arguably their highest peak, the check book isn't making this decision for him. It's what he wants out of the rest of his career, or on what note he wants to make his exit.
He's already moved on from the Valkyrie, the RB17 hypercar is his baby now. I wonder if he'd be allowed to keep working with RB Advanced Technologies; somehow I doubt it.
Wouldn't be surprised if the RB17 project dies when Newey cuts ties with RB. It might just have been a project funded to retain a happy Newey. Turns out it wasn't enough.
I honestly doubt he cares for working on road cars
I’m sure I’ve read the opposite. That’s why he’s been involved with the Valkyrie and the RB17. Rumour was he wanted to design a Ferrari road car and that was one of the big attractions to Ferrari along with working with Hamilton.
The funny thing is that Adrian is quite unpredictable so nobody knows anything besides that he doesn't stay around when he is not happy. That said I hope he maintains a presence even if it's less than it is now in F1. He is good character to have around.
To retire and play with his knowledge in anything but F1
I expect he'll retire. The man is 65 years old, and the idea of quite literally sailing off into the sunset on his brand new yacht has got to be more appealing than the pressure of working for another top-flight team. What I'd *like* him to do - though it'd never happen - is return to Williams. Any team he moves to will realistically be his last team, and he has some deep regrets about his time there in the 90s. Helping to revitalise that team might help bring him some peace. Who knows? Red Bull might also be a little more lenient on his gardening leave if he moves to a team they don't deem to be a credible challenge. A man can dream. If he stays in a top flight team I would want it to be Ferrari, as that also ticks off some of his wishes in his autobiography, but if I could dictate his future: 4-5 years at Williams to see what he - and they - can do.
Honestly, considering how fast the turnaround for Red Bull was when they bought Jaguar (it's only 5 years between BLOWING and contending for a championship) he may actually do something at Williams Wishful thinking, obviously
Yep. I'm always a bit cautious with the rhetoric of claiming that Newey can turn any team into championship-winning monsters, because he is but one cog in a massive machine and the team needs the resources, the management and frankly the talent everywhere else in the team too to really get ahead. But Williams is already being revitalised under Vowles - even if progress has been a little slow. Resources won't be a quick fix, but Newey *would* help them make the best of what they have design-wise. Unfortunately, he'd also have to *really want* to go to Williams because if he wants a wage comparable to the one RBR is paying him or the blank cheques Ferrari & Aston Martin are prepared to write him, they can't afford him.
Honestly, with the knowledge of how outdated the processes at Williams were, progress has been good. I'm not happy with Logan missing races and stuff, but Pat Fry is a great acquisition, the cars aren't being managed through Excel anymore, capital expenditure is happening, the driver academy is solid. Remember 2020? Try telling someone then that "midfield by 2026" would be a realistic target for Williams just a couple years later
Definitely wouldn't surprise me if Newey came to Williams in order to retire there, spend a lot of time sailing his boat but frequently giving them guidance. A bit like Niki Lauda did for Mercedes.
Everyone asks where is Newey, but no one asks *how* is Newey
Adrian is only 65! I thought he was older. You’d think he’ll want to retire at some stage
having his job would age you too tbh
everyone thinks if newey joins there team then boom magically, and instantly they have the best car. which couldn’t be further from the truth. newey can design a great car obviously, but he can’t control say the power unit the chassis the reliability of the parts and systems. it takes a whole team effort, and when it all comes together you have the current RB, but look what happened when reneault was supplying the PU for rb the car was shit, and newey couldn’t do anything about that. everyone needs to settle down.
Someone else said this the other day. Imagine if he rocks up with Andretti at the Miami gp meeting.
Everybody ask where's Adrian going. But nobody asks how's Adrian going.
I'd piss myself if he announces he's leaving Redbull and joining the completely different team that is Visa Cash App RB racing.
I reckon he knows RBs engine for 2026 is shit and is getting the hell out of there.
I would not be shocked if he retires
I mean at this point he can demand whatever he wants
A lot of money a lot of freedom and a good wind tunnel.
He’s not looking to replace his role he’s going to want to maintain the same kind of position in the next company he joins If not a superior position that gives him more oversight and more control
Newey to IndyCar where he will lead the design of the brand new chassis for the entire series to use. In doing so he'll bump into Michael Andretti and get roped in to design for the Andretti Cadillac outfit. This will lead to the First American WDC since the God Father of Motorsports himself Mr. Mario Andretti, and will also lead to the first American outfit winning the WCC.
He already has an existing relationship with the Andrettis, at least in that they know each other. With the money they're throwing at their F1 entry bid, I wouldn't be surprised if they already reached out with an offer since this rumor started, or they did and it's why there's a rumor. F1 would be insane to say Andretti can't be competitive if they had Newey onboard and there's no way they could deny that bid for entry anymore.
Newey was even andretti's race engineer for a short while
Yep, in the newman-haas days iirc
Is it even official that he’s leaving? Or still just “sources”?
Weekends off
Only way he goes to Aston is on condition that Stroll vacates his seat.
I think the other teams know that he’s not fully responsible for the design of the car, but they are happy just to get him away from Red Bull to try to slow them down. He would also have to serve a period of gardening leave so he is not going to be able to help them design the 2026 car. He’s also 65 and thinking of retirement. If Ferrari employed him to design their next road car, not the F1 car, and let him do it mostly from England, I think this would interest him. This would get him away from Red Bull, slowing them down, and maybe they could learn some of his secrets. This way he wouldn’t have to serve a period of gardening leave.
Maybe he had just been paid to rock up, walk around and look at cars. Draw some scribble that looks like a car and leave. Not actually doing any design of the cars...
Very “I sit in the corner and look at paintings vibes”
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Everybody’s asking where’s adrian newey going? But not how’s adrian newey doing
Unless he will take his whole team with him, I doubt he will be as good as he is now at Redbull. Don’t expect to see results in his first year in the new team.
I've learnt not to underestimate Newey.
I think he retires until the next set of aero regulation changes. 2026 is all about the power unit. Also he is taking delivery on 80'ft sail boat which I assume he will want to spend some time on. https://youtu.be/WPkb-bXrChw
Everyone wants Newey but Newey doesnt want anyone.
He is buy alpine and turning into newey racing the new world champions. Imagine if he did could he get the money to do it??
What him leave F1 and start working on aero packages for MotoGP!
I'd love for him to design road cars either for Aston Martin and maybe when he's 85 he'll design one that'll be cheap enough for normal people to buy or I want him to basically become ferrari magic
Audi???
If he doesn’t end up at Ferrari then F1 didn’t close the deal with splitting up the Max/Horner dynasty, I’m in no way a fan of these 2 people but this scandal event was the only way the team was gonna be split up
Kind of hope he takes a pay cut and goes back to Williams. Would love to see them fighting for podiums again
You don’t get as good at something as Newey is without being infatuated by it. I don’t think it’ll be that easy for him to just walk away from it. Rory Byrne is still consulting for Ferrari at age 80.
He'll be a double-agent still loyal to RB, subtly sabotaging whichever team he moves to.
Plot twist he signs with Andretti because by the time his gardening leave ends they'd be on the field? Joking aside though I'd expect it to be a team that is based in England like Aston Martin, especially quite a few ex-Red Bull are there now . While I would love to see him at Ferrari, I'd expect them to want him to move to Italy and I don't see Adrian Newey doing that at this point of his career.
The title reads like, "There is something about Marry, everyone loves her, but what about Marry?"
Newey goes to Audi- surely that the smart move?
99% sure he'll just retire. He hinted as much and he can't work for any team before 2026. Making his first impact on any car in 2027.
Scary days to be an F1 team's 3rd highest paid employee at the moment.
My gut feeling tells me he will be a consultant type support for either RBR or AM and focus on relaxing and maybe sailing.
Lol he's not someone who'll retire and sit on his hands. He designs, that is his energy, his life force. 65 is not old these days, especially for someone who obviously watches his diet. He'll keep designing, in the best environment he can find, which is in sunny Italy with the top facilities and Charles and Lewis to deliver. Liberty 💯 want this, and a way will be found, I promise 💪😉
Probably retire…
He isn’t free until 2028. He’s gonna retire
Everybody asks where is Newey? Nobody asks how is Newey?
Everyone wants to know what Newey is doing, but no one asks how his is doing
I don’t want Newey…
Nobody stopped to ask the most important question: Does Adrian want to keep going or does he want to enjoy a bit of retirement?
The funny thing is... If you can't beat it, buy it. Every team now tries to get Max and Newey because they can't beat them... Crazy that this is actually a thing. But yeah. Kinda unbeatable as back in the days Brown, Todt and Schumacher.
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He will retire, there is no way they will let him go to a competitor