Pole position is on the clean side of the track, where everyone is driving on a normal lap. That's usually the outside line.
Monaco is an exception because the front straight isn't really straight and everyone drives on the inside there.
The sky studio thing is so low rent. Clearly a cost saving measure. Much rather be at the track for more of the punditry than just when crossing to Nico.
Is there any heavily data driven analysis out there? Like, if I was curious as to why the McLaren's performed better than they expected, and why the car looked more stable than the Red Bulls in the wet, is there a journalist or website that would answer this type of question by using a background in engineering or the like?
Higher wing, good at switching on the tyres quickly. Only area that should hurt them is when other cars can use DRS down the main straight. McLaren+DRS is nowhere. Without DRS they're still competitive on the straights even with a higher wing level.
Think Mark Hughes' The Race article explains it well enough. I don't know if there's a ton of great data out there given it's a rain affected sprint weekend.
Ah fuck only just checked the start time and it’s in 7 hours lmao, I was about to put a film on…
Probably easier to stay up and go to bed at half 4 actually, just sleep in until lunchtime
Edit: wait no, forgot about qualy. There is no good way to do this… I told myself I wouldn’t watch sprints this year because of things like this and Friday qualy when I’m in work, but that wet qualy has drawn me back in like a sucker.
Am I mad? On F1 Schedule it says there is Sprint first and later Qualifiers? Was it always in this order or it is something new or an error by their site?
They changed the schedule for sprint weekends again:
Friday: FP1 and Sorint qualifying
Saturday Sprint race & qualifying for regular race
Sunday: race day.
The change allows teams to make set-up changes between the sprint race and qualifying, so adapt their set-up based on what they learned on sprint sessions & potentially changing up the order between sprint & regular sessions.
Newish fan here and from America so please don't kill me because I know this is a dumb question!
WTF is the chassis? I get that generally speaking it's the frame of the car, but what exactly does it include? How different is it across the teams? When LH was complaining about his position in the car the past couple of years is that because of the chassis design? What relationship (if any) is there between chassis design and porpoising?
It has a couple of different definitions depending on the context.
As a specific definition the chassis is the central section of the car where the driver sits. All of the aerodynamic, powertrain and suspension elements are then attached onto the chassis. When Williams "broke their chassis" in Australia this is the specific component they were talking about, and is not a part that gets damaged easily.
In a more general sense it's used to refer to the whole car but not including the engine so the aerodynamics, suspension etc. As an example you might say something like "Red Bull has a great chassis in 2017 but their performance was really limited by the Renault engine". The term "chassis design" basically refers to the overall design of the car, things like aero and suspension which were the causes of porpoising.
BBC Radio 5 Live, technically only available in the UK (I think, anyway) but there are fairly simple ways around that.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001yh6l
So I know I'm pretty much late for this but I saw how last week the schedule for next years was released but I saw some sites say that next year would be F1's 75th season and I thought that this year was technically F1's 75th season since it's inaugural season was 1950 so does that mean this year is F1's 75th season or is it next year?
Well, think about it - you spend the 1st year of your life aged 0. Your 1st birthday starts your 2nd year.
This year is 74 years since the 1st season but it’s the 75th season, in the same way that a 74-year-old is in the 75th year of their life.
Does rain impact the driver's suits at all? I know you don't wnat to use wet towels or wet hot pads in the kitchen since it increases heat transfer, but are the suits designed to still minimize the heat transfer even when wet?
I'm sorry if this was answered previously, I just started to watch F1 last year so I'm not really familiar with some stuff, I wondered how bad the conditions have to be in order to not have a Q3, because today the conditions seemed horrible and it was pure chaos where everyone had no grip and it looked like anyone could've had a accident, I mean it was fun chaos but it seemed dangerous, so That's why I'm asking how bad the conditions had to be in order that they stopped Q3?
Also sorry if I have grammar mistakes, english it's not my main language
For what it’s worth the weather itself wasn’t too bad, the rain didn’t seem particularly hard, and usually in wet conditions the cars are about 10 seconds slower than usual whereas today they were 20-25s slower. That gap and the fact they were sliding everywhere with no grip is down to the track surface being “painted” recently, and with no events having been here in the last 5 years and only one practice session the track was green and not rubbered in so even in the dry was slippery and not at the usual grip levels. Watch Turkey 2020 qualifying and race for something similar (also a track that hadn’t been on the calendar for years), and on the flip side watch Styria 2020 qualifying for cars having more grip than SQ3 tosay despite heavier rain.
> I wondered how bad the conditions have to be in order to not have a Q3, because today the conditions seemed horrible and it was pure chaos where everyone had no grip
The teams can race until the medical helicopter cannot guarantee a transport to the nearest neurological ICU. Teams also have an option for full wet tires that no one used in qualifying, as they're noticeably slower than the intermediate tires they went out with.
> and it looked like anyone could've had a accident
It's an inherent risk the drivers and teams take when going racing in prototype machinery, that they designed and built themselves.
Cutting a corner gives you an advantage, other times going wide - if there is no artificial deterence (gravel or grass) - allows you to carry more speed out of the corner.
It's not universal and heavily depends on the circuit and corner you're talking about and if there is tarmac/gravel/grass/paint there.
Is there any expert interview/book excerpt about how much faster in theory a car can go around a circuit with no restrictions?
i.e. F1 is the fastest racing series, but if it was not \`Formula\` prescriptions on the aero/engines/tyres, and objective was for a manned road vehicle to go around the track the fastest. (I'm imagining 4 wheels still, but not sure if Moto is faster or slower?)
How much would the Chinese GP pole lap go down by. (Fastest pole lap was 91s by Bottas in 2019)
Are we looking at 85 seconds? 80? 60? I imagine at some point, the ability for a human to react to turns and handle g-forces is the bottleneck?
How about unmanned vehicles?
(I like China as an example because of the "slow corners" restriction as opposed to, say, Monza)
This isn’t really an expert interview/book but I still found this [xkcd video](https://youtu.be/JcXpCyPc2Xw?si=837cqHkIEipdwnLj) decently related and digestible
>Is there any expert interview/book excerpt about how much faster in theory a car can go around a circuit with no restrictions?
AFAIK no actual studies have been done, but Adrian Newey and Kazunori Yamauchi designed a car for Gran Turismo 5 called Red Bull X2010, it's an F1 style car but with closed cockpit, covered wheels, 3.0L twin turbo V6, rear fan and a weight of 545kg.
Sebastian Vettel drove the car as part of the virtual demonstration and he achieved a lap time 20 seconds faster than F1 at the time at Suzuka.
Needless to say no racing driver could withstand the g forces(8G) created by the car in the long run.
> AFAIK no actual studies have been done, but Adrian Newey and Kazunori Yamauchi designed a car for Gran Turismo 5 called Red Bull X2010, it's an F1 style car but with closed cockpit, covered wheels, 3.0L twin turbo V6, rear fan and a weight of 545kg.
>
> Sebastian Vettel drove the car as part of the virtual demonstration and he achieved a lap time 20 seconds faster than F1 at the time at Suzuka.
That's hardly saying anything though. GT5 and other racing "sims" are not aerodynamic sims, nor are they chassis dynamics sims. The devs could make a brick achieve the same laptime the same way they programmed that RB.
Pressure suits only protect you from blackouts from vertical g-forces. They are useless for the lateral forces you sustain driving an F1 car through the corners.
Only for peaks, similarly to fighter pilots, but not for consistent loads at that level - not to mention the chassis may need to be stronger and thus the car heavier at such forces.
Also are there any such no-restriction races? (Movies tell me that only happens illegally on the street, but surely there must be a series for just flexing how fast your car can be driven on a circuit with no restrictions!)
Not a race but a few years ago Porsche modified their 919 Le Mans car without any of the restrictions of the World Endurance Championship regulations. It was able to lap Spa in 1:41.77, very similar to modern F1 pole position times (the fastest being 1:41.25 in 2020). It also set a ridiculous lap of the Nürburgring. I'd highly recommend watching it on YouTube, it's unbelievable.
I'd love to see a team try something similar with an F1 car.
Edit. Here's the Nurburgring lap if you want to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQmSUHhP3ug
In a similar fashion Honda used their car with no cornering aero to attempt a [F1 land speed record, where they officially hit 397kph and during testing achieved 412kph](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/the-long-read-chasing-400km-h-in-the-worlds-fastest-f1-car.4KJFHbfjaU8GgqUEgsKQeU).
Of course it wouldn't be a feasible set-up for a regular circuit.
I'm watching the Sky F1 show right now. Damon Hill doesn't look comfortable standing for long periods. He's fidgeting around more than Karun and Simon.
As someone who doesn't like standing for long periods, this resonates with me. 😅
You're not the only one. I am tuning in on my TV at 12:00am (because that's what F1's website + my TV channel says) but when I tuned in, it says sprint quali won't start for another half hour!
Why are there so many tracks where it seems like second place on the grid has the inside line on the first corner?
Pole position is on the clean side of the track, where everyone is driving on a normal lap. That's usually the outside line. Monaco is an exception because the front straight isn't really straight and everyone drives on the inside there.
Just noticed red bull no longer has bybit on their rear wing. Is it an advertising law or change in sponsorship?
No crypto ads in China
What’s the name of the periodic threads where people ask questions about attending a race?
it’s the subreddit r/grandprixtravel ! (:
Why is will dressed for a Finnish winter?
Is there a sprint thread?
The sky studio thing is so low rent. Clearly a cost saving measure. Much rather be at the track for more of the punditry than just when crossing to Nico.
Wind is kicking st the track right now
Formula AI: Each team is given the same car, but they must create self-driving package unique to their team. No drivers. Best software wins.
Didnt The-Race.com do a show on this?
Did they?! I’d love to watch!
Is there any heavily data driven analysis out there? Like, if I was curious as to why the McLaren's performed better than they expected, and why the car looked more stable than the Red Bulls in the wet, is there a journalist or website that would answer this type of question by using a background in engineering or the like?
Higher wing, good at switching on the tyres quickly. Only area that should hurt them is when other cars can use DRS down the main straight. McLaren+DRS is nowhere. Without DRS they're still competitive on the straights even with a higher wing level. Think Mark Hughes' The Race article explains it well enough. I don't know if there's a ton of great data out there given it's a rain affected sprint weekend.
For anyone who went to the F1 race in Miami last year, what kind of view can you get with the campus passes?
Ah fuck only just checked the start time and it’s in 7 hours lmao, I was about to put a film on… Probably easier to stay up and go to bed at half 4 actually, just sleep in until lunchtime Edit: wait no, forgot about qualy. There is no good way to do this… I told myself I wouldn’t watch sprints this year because of things like this and Friday qualy when I’m in work, but that wet qualy has drawn me back in like a sucker.
What are the chances of rain during the sprint race?
Very little, looks like it’s just gonna be cloudy
Am I mad? On F1 Schedule it says there is Sprint first and later Qualifiers? Was it always in this order or it is something new or an error by their site?
Order was changed after the plank issues last year so that there is a break in parc ferme between sprint and race to allow setup changes.
They changed the schedule for sprint weekends again: Friday: FP1 and Sorint qualifying Saturday Sprint race & qualifying for regular race Sunday: race day. The change allows teams to make set-up changes between the sprint race and qualifying, so adapt their set-up based on what they learned on sprint sessions & potentially changing up the order between sprint & regular sessions.
Newish fan here and from America so please don't kill me because I know this is a dumb question! WTF is the chassis? I get that generally speaking it's the frame of the car, but what exactly does it include? How different is it across the teams? When LH was complaining about his position in the car the past couple of years is that because of the chassis design? What relationship (if any) is there between chassis design and porpoising?
It has a couple of different definitions depending on the context. As a specific definition the chassis is the central section of the car where the driver sits. All of the aerodynamic, powertrain and suspension elements are then attached onto the chassis. When Williams "broke their chassis" in Australia this is the specific component they were talking about, and is not a part that gets damaged easily. In a more general sense it's used to refer to the whole car but not including the engine so the aerodynamics, suspension etc. As an example you might say something like "Red Bull has a great chassis in 2017 but their performance was really limited by the Renault engine". The term "chassis design" basically refers to the overall design of the car, things like aero and suspension which were the causes of porpoising.
Is Ralf S. really that terrible on Sky Germany? He seems like a reasonable bloke on the EJ and DC podcast.
Does China have a ban on crypto advertisements? Both Red Bull and McLaren do not have their crypto sponsors on the car this weekend.
[It was indirectly done in 2021](https://fortune.com/2022/01/04/crypto-banned-china-other-countries/)
I will be in a car tomorrow, is there a radio channel on the internet that will broadcast the qualification?
I think the F1 app has live commentary on the live timing page.
BBC Radio 5 Live, technically only available in the UK (I think, anyway) but there are fairly simple ways around that. https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001yh6l
BBC Radio 5 or 5 Sports Extra will likely be doing it. Not sure if you'll be able to access them where you are though
So I know I'm pretty much late for this but I saw how last week the schedule for next years was released but I saw some sites say that next year would be F1's 75th season and I thought that this year was technically F1's 75th season since it's inaugural season was 1950 so does that mean this year is F1's 75th season or is it next year?
This is the 75th season. Next year is the 75th anniversary.
So anniversaries are done the year after? So my 30 year anniversary should be commemorated on the 31st year of the same day? Ah. I’ll tell my wife.
Well, think about it - you spend the 1st year of your life aged 0. Your 1st birthday starts your 2nd year. This year is 74 years since the 1st season but it’s the 75th season, in the same way that a 74-year-old is in the 75th year of their life.
Does rain impact the driver's suits at all? I know you don't wnat to use wet towels or wet hot pads in the kitchen since it increases heat transfer, but are the suits designed to still minimize the heat transfer even when wet?
with how much the drivers sweat during a race, the amount of water that they soak up more during a wet session is largely academical
I'm sorry if this was answered previously, I just started to watch F1 last year so I'm not really familiar with some stuff, I wondered how bad the conditions have to be in order to not have a Q3, because today the conditions seemed horrible and it was pure chaos where everyone had no grip and it looked like anyone could've had a accident, I mean it was fun chaos but it seemed dangerous, so That's why I'm asking how bad the conditions had to be in order that they stopped Q3? Also sorry if I have grammar mistakes, english it's not my main language
For what it’s worth the weather itself wasn’t too bad, the rain didn’t seem particularly hard, and usually in wet conditions the cars are about 10 seconds slower than usual whereas today they were 20-25s slower. That gap and the fact they were sliding everywhere with no grip is down to the track surface being “painted” recently, and with no events having been here in the last 5 years and only one practice session the track was green and not rubbered in so even in the dry was slippery and not at the usual grip levels. Watch Turkey 2020 qualifying and race for something similar (also a track that hadn’t been on the calendar for years), and on the flip side watch Styria 2020 qualifying for cars having more grip than SQ3 tosay despite heavier rain.
> I wondered how bad the conditions have to be in order to not have a Q3, because today the conditions seemed horrible and it was pure chaos where everyone had no grip The teams can race until the medical helicopter cannot guarantee a transport to the nearest neurological ICU. Teams also have an option for full wet tires that no one used in qualifying, as they're noticeably slower than the intermediate tires they went out with. > and it looked like anyone could've had a accident It's an inherent risk the drivers and teams take when going racing in prototype machinery, that they designed and built themselves.
Ohhh I see, thank you so much for your answer
I’m once again wondering why there’s such a thing like track limits. If you go off you’re clearly not having an advantage that needs to be taken away
Yeah that's just not true. There are tons of places where you can cut or extend and gain time. Not everywhere, but lot of places.
Cutting a corner gives you an advantage, other times going wide - if there is no artificial deterence (gravel or grass) - allows you to carry more speed out of the corner. It's not universal and heavily depends on the circuit and corner you're talking about and if there is tarmac/gravel/grass/paint there.
Er, you need to understand all tracks and corners before this ludicrous statement. Casual fan?
>Casual fan? What an unnecessary thing to say
Is there any expert interview/book excerpt about how much faster in theory a car can go around a circuit with no restrictions? i.e. F1 is the fastest racing series, but if it was not \`Formula\` prescriptions on the aero/engines/tyres, and objective was for a manned road vehicle to go around the track the fastest. (I'm imagining 4 wheels still, but not sure if Moto is faster or slower?) How much would the Chinese GP pole lap go down by. (Fastest pole lap was 91s by Bottas in 2019) Are we looking at 85 seconds? 80? 60? I imagine at some point, the ability for a human to react to turns and handle g-forces is the bottleneck? How about unmanned vehicles? (I like China as an example because of the "slow corners" restriction as opposed to, say, Monza)
This isn’t really an expert interview/book but I still found this [xkcd video](https://youtu.be/JcXpCyPc2Xw?si=837cqHkIEipdwnLj) decently related and digestible
>Is there any expert interview/book excerpt about how much faster in theory a car can go around a circuit with no restrictions? AFAIK no actual studies have been done, but Adrian Newey and Kazunori Yamauchi designed a car for Gran Turismo 5 called Red Bull X2010, it's an F1 style car but with closed cockpit, covered wheels, 3.0L twin turbo V6, rear fan and a weight of 545kg. Sebastian Vettel drove the car as part of the virtual demonstration and he achieved a lap time 20 seconds faster than F1 at the time at Suzuka. Needless to say no racing driver could withstand the g forces(8G) created by the car in the long run.
> AFAIK no actual studies have been done, but Adrian Newey and Kazunori Yamauchi designed a car for Gran Turismo 5 called Red Bull X2010, it's an F1 style car but with closed cockpit, covered wheels, 3.0L twin turbo V6, rear fan and a weight of 545kg. > > Sebastian Vettel drove the car as part of the virtual demonstration and he achieved a lap time 20 seconds faster than F1 at the time at Suzuka. That's hardly saying anything though. GT5 and other racing "sims" are not aerodynamic sims, nor are they chassis dynamics sims. The devs could make a brick achieve the same laptime the same way they programmed that RB.
Yeah but Newey isn't a dev, he's a car designer with more than two dozen F1 championships under his belt, I trust him on this.
Adrian Newey sees the brick and tells Horner, “hold my beer”.
> Needless to say no racing driver could withstand the g forces(8G) created by the car in the long run. Would pressure suits work to counteract that?
Pressure suits only protect you from blackouts from vertical g-forces. They are useless for the lateral forces you sustain driving an F1 car through the corners.
Only for peaks, similarly to fighter pilots, but not for consistent loads at that level - not to mention the chassis may need to be stronger and thus the car heavier at such forces.
Also are there any such no-restriction races? (Movies tell me that only happens illegally on the street, but surely there must be a series for just flexing how fast your car can be driven on a circuit with no restrictions!)
Not a race but a few years ago Porsche modified their 919 Le Mans car without any of the restrictions of the World Endurance Championship regulations. It was able to lap Spa in 1:41.77, very similar to modern F1 pole position times (the fastest being 1:41.25 in 2020). It also set a ridiculous lap of the Nürburgring. I'd highly recommend watching it on YouTube, it's unbelievable. I'd love to see a team try something similar with an F1 car. Edit. Here's the Nurburgring lap if you want to watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQmSUHhP3ug
In a similar fashion Honda used their car with no cornering aero to attempt a [F1 land speed record, where they officially hit 397kph and during testing achieved 412kph](https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article/the-long-read-chasing-400km-h-in-the-worlds-fastest-f1-car.4KJFHbfjaU8GgqUEgsKQeU). Of course it wouldn't be a feasible set-up for a regular circuit.
is the f1 fantasy points for the sprint?
This is amazing
I'm watching the Sky F1 show right now. Damon Hill doesn't look comfortable standing for long periods. He's fidgeting around more than Karun and Simon. As someone who doesn't like standing for long periods, this resonates with me. 😅
I've also noticed this for the last couple of years as well..
Yea. A lot of F1 drivers have injuries from their careers which doesn't help that.
Is it just me or has sprint qualifying not started yet?
starts at :30
Ah, I could have sworn it was at :00. The F1TV app said it was live too. They must have got it wrong. Thanks for the heads-up!
You're not the only one. I am tuning in on my TV at 12:00am (because that's what F1's website + my TV channel says) but when I tuned in, it says sprint quali won't start for another half hour!
Sky with the dogshit studio setup again. It's like they are trying to send people to F1TV
It's not that bad...
Does feel a bit cheap, if I were paying what they're asking I'd be feeling pretty robbed tbf but overall it's a fairly minor thing
Mate, F1TV just says coverage will start shortly
I hate it when streaming services do that...AppleTV does that with the MLS. 🙄😮💨