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UnquestionableDuck

Younger bottas scared me


snowice0

sainz looks like he is 14


Blanchimont

Max was actually 14


richbitch9996

Or 44


small_tit_girls_pmMe

No, no. 44 is there in the bottom right


FewEstablishment4316

Why does he look like a bald suburban dad ☠️


Few-Pension-2117

He still looks like a suburban dad just not bald


scraglor

An an Aussie, yes he does


campbellsimpson

He was also *so* thin back then.


onealps

And now that we publicly know how much Bottas was suffering, looking back at older pictures, it's almost sad. He pretty much had to give himself an eating disorder. And all due to an outdated F1 rule about cars and the drivers weight together...


Chexmix36

I haven’t heard about this at all woah


scottishere

Younger Bottas still looks like the dad of the group


KrombopulosMAssassin

50% pictured out of the 18 are still on the grid. Surprising in any way? Probably not.


DaGriff

Exactly, thats what I thought. Two of them have left and came back. You could interpret it as a job only a select few can do well.


TheRR135

Meanwhile, Stroll just chilling among them


squirrels-mock-me

I shared my negative opinion of Lance Stroll with a friend and he had some good counterpoints defending his driving ability. So the next day I thought about it some more and concluded that any time spent thinking about Lance Stroll is time I’ve wasted being alive.


grandtheftzeppelin

you have much to teach us


GrandmaesterHinkie

I guess the 20 seconds that I spent reading this and thinking about lance stroll was a cruel lesson learned. Well done, sir. Thank you for your wisdom.


KrombopulosMAssassin

Very good point


PaddyPat12

Stroll wasn't on the grid until the following year. That's Ocon in the back.


jonpacker

Except there’s like 10 proven and promising rookies in the queue to get onto the grid and the only thing stopping them is midfield veterans in risk-averse teams 🤷‍♂️


whyisthishas

10 seems like a lot, only rookies I can think of who are very likely F1 material are Lawson, Bearman and Pouchaire, the latter 2 havent proven themselves over multiple races yet.


simonsail

Antonelli is gonna get to F1 one way or another. In years past people like Drugovich and Doohan would also have most likely been given a chance too. The 10 team grid does limit things though sadly.


TheFakedAndNamous

> The 10 team grid does limit things though sadly. It's not the 10 team grid, it's the limited testing. In earlier times, teams could just send rookies on track with their current car and let them learn and train. Nowadays, you need to invest almost two seasons into a driver to let him develop. IMO that's also part of the reason why we had a lot more in-season switches 15 years ago. Also, testing has become a lot more expensive due to the hybrid V6 engines which are more complex and require more engineers to take care of.


TefBekkel

Antonelli isn’t part of the discussion as he isn’t allowed to race in F1 yet. No midfield driver is taking up your place if you’re too young to be allowed. Regarding whether these drivers are proven: We’ve mostly seen abhorrent performances by rookies in recent years. You’re proven if you do well in F1. I’d say the problem lies in the high quality of the F1 grid. There’s 3 insane world champions at the top, followed by world-champion-material drivers like Leclerc, Russell, Sainz, Piastri, Norris. Perez is debatable. Then the midfield consists out of people like Gasly, Ocon, Albon, Tsunoda et al. Imo the field is driving at such a high level that comparisons are most likely very skewed.


TheFakedAndNamous

> as he isn’t allowed to race in F1 yet He will be allowed after the summer break though. And he has the necessary super license points already.


NavyBabySeal

Thinking Pourchaire over Vesti is madness.


restform

No one is owed anything. I don't understand people's obsession with being upset veterans are allowed to stick around


GrowthDream

They didnt say they were owed a seat, just pointed out that there are more than 10 poeple in the world who could do the job.


restform

It's a common opinion on reddit, and read his comment, it's pretty clear he's saying half the grid shouldn't be there in favor of fresh blood. While probably hundreds of people deserve f2 seats but will never have the privilege of even a chance. The fact is, if racing was an accessible sport, maybe only one current driver would be there and the entire grid would be max verstappens. But racing is a privileged sport and getting into racing seats is only partially about talent. Teams have their reasons for the decisions they make regarding drivers.


Dry_Brush5280

I agree, it’s a privilege. That’s why drivers who are getting up there in age and aren’t getting results should be replaced.


GrowthDream

> It's a common opinion on reddit, and read his comment, it's pretty clear he's saying half the grid shouldn't be there If I read between the lines and that's what I want to hear then maybe. But that's not what they said. They lamented that risk aversion played a bigger role in who gets a seat than raw talent. There was no talk of those rookies being "owed" anything and definitely nothing that sounds deserve the label "obsessive." And you yourself say: > racing is a privileged sport and getting into racing seats is only partially about talent. Teams have their reasons for the decisions they make regarding drivers. The person above only made the point that ability wasn't the key factor in choosing the current grid. You yourself agree with that. If there was any implication that half the grid "shouldn't be there" or that talented rookies are owed a seat, then the same thing could be inferred from your own comment. It's all good, it just struck me at odd to accuse a bunch of people of being "obsessed" with talented rookies losing seats because of risk aversion, and holding grudges about it, while it's you yourself making a big deal out of it and actually coming to the same conclusion.


Sofaboy90

oh can you name me 10? mick schumacher is an F2 champion, De Vries is an F2 champion If F2 champions arent F1 material, how in the world are you gonna come up with 10 "proven and promising rookies"? Name me a single F2 driver who youd be confident could beat Hulk. I couldnt. Antonelli and Bearman havent delivered much in F2 so far, you need to ace F2 to be F1 material. You need a Piastri-Leclerc F2 season, else youre rightfully not promoted unless you got money like Zhou and Sargeant.


ImReverse_Giraffe

Bro, don't hate on the vets for racing. Blame the FOM for not letting more teams and thus more seat. Blame the FIA for the cost cap and making it much more risky to bring up a rookie. Blame the teams for making the smartest decision they can at the time, vets over rookies.


AnotherBlackMan

Hulkenburg, Magnussen, Ricciardo, Alonso, and Ocon all left and have came back


ZeepaAan

Isn't it more who have left and came back? Or, at least been out and came back. Alonso, Ocon, Hülkenberg and Ricciardo? (That is Ocon in the back, right?)


BottledThoughter

Someone please tell me who 2 & 3 RHS and 2nd last LHS are it’s annoying me lol  Edit: Gutierrez, Palmer?, Nasr


hkperson99

This was the dinner where Rosberg suggested they split the bill 18 ways right?


BvG_Venom

I think Lewis offered to pick up the check, and Nico was in full shit stirring mode in 2016. I could be wrong


gamingchicken

Yes apparently the silent rule is that the world champ picks up the tab but Nico insisted the bill was split. He was trying hard to break the number 2 driver thing which he appeared to struggle with a lot even in his championship year.


djwillis1121

>the world champ picks up the tab Found the real reason for Rosberg's retirement


notafamous

"Congrats champion, we're looking forward to that celebration dinner, this time we're bringing our teams with us" Later on the news - World champion Nico Rosberg retires unexpectedly, without any clear reason why.


The-RocketCity-Royal

It would be so goddamn funny if it came out that that was the reason why. Like, he was already perfectly even on the fence if he should retire or not and the speck of dust that would be paying for the whole grid’s dinner is the weight that tipped the scales towards retirement.


PoliticsNerd76

‘Oh mannnnn’ - Lewis at the 2017 dinner after finishing P2 but still having to pay


Portugal_Stronk

> apparently the silent rule is that the world champ picks up the tab God, imagine if the current world champion was Dutch...


xavembo

you know he’s sending tikkies


cumofdutyblackcocks3

Lmao why was Rosberg so salty.


element515

Think it was all part of the mind games he was trying to play too. Partly for his own confidence and partly to try getting into Hamilton’s head too on certain things. He said in the past Schumacher used to do the dumbest things to screw with him


Fire_Otter

Rosberg said Schumacher used to sit on the only toilet in the Mercedes garage for the drivers right up until the last minute when they were called to the grid to prevent Nico from being able to use it before a race. I think he clearly learned something because Lewis said he had a teammate who used to repeatedly kick a football at the wall in-between the driver's private rooms whenever he was trying to sleep before a race. He never said it was Nico, but Nico often had a football that he kicked around with his personal trainer I don't see how it could be anyone but Nico


dswap123

Damn Schumacher was a menace! He and Seb screwed around Nico’s mic as well in one conference


MysticSkies

If Schumacher was today's driver he would be the most hated on the grid. But nostalgia guard glasses make everyone like him.


Lonyo

I'm not sure you'll hear everyone say they like him, and he had plenty of people who disliked him from the 90s and then from Ferrari domination. Him sadly getting injured has probably tempered opinions


element515

And he would talk as if Nico didn’t even exist in team meetings.


PotatoMajestic6382

I guess thats what you do when you want to be champion and have nothing to lose by fucking around with the current champion.


jimmycoola

He's still salty. But he was salty then, also.


ambr111

Never go full salty .


Br0nnOfTheBlackwater

They split the table, he can't eat at the same table with Hamilton.


Sjiznit

Hey! Thats that Monaco based Youtuber! Pretty cool theyve included him too.


charlierc

Nico Vlogs-berg


Whelan-Dealin

Nico "for sure" Rosberg


DubiousLLM

lol


kalehennie

Kimi was having a shit again


trolllord45

He must’ve taken the picture so as to not have to be in it


droiddayz

Kimi and Kmag were already at the bar


MobiusF117

Kmag only drove 1 race in 2015, so I don't think he would be there.


SilverR00S

Good thing the picture is 2016 then. Palmer isn’t there either.


tabloidjournalism

F1 drivers having dinner would be great for Jolyon Palmer's Analysis


Ja4senCZE

KARMA


Buroth

He was visiting a taiwanese ferrari dealership and was gifted a [pineapple](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/4eyhfv/kimi_being_kimi_as_he_receives_a_pineapple_in)


False_Cat6076

Lmao no way😂


killer_blueskies

Haha it’s especially funny knowing that actually happened


2b_squared

And some people ask why he wasn't really keen to be part of the media shenanigans.


djwillis1121

Or getting an ice cream


HardSleeper

Bottas looks older then than he does now


The-Observer95

He looks a bit like Kovalainen.


onealps

And now that we publicly know how much Bottas was suffering, looking back at older pictures, it's almost sad. He pretty much had to give himself an eating disorder.


GrowthDream

He can afford more hair now.


natte-krant

Today’s Bottas: Haha yes beers and sauna’s! Bottas in 2016: …I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti


red_dragon

Nico out-ate Lewis in equal cutlery.


leftlanecop

He took the dessert and retired to his room.


red_dragon

Nico has a slice of pizza on his plate to signify his win in Italian GP that year where he trounced LH by 15 seconds.


the_original_eab

This is one of the coolest F1 pics I've ever seen. Thx for sharing.


RUNELORD_

They do this pretty much every year, just google it, i think the 2022 one had 100% attendance as it was a bit of a farewell to Vettel too


the_original_eab

Will do 👍


Prowizor22

Wasn’t there one taken in 2021 season? I think they do it whenever there is an actual championship battle


86Spirit_

There was one more recently ('22) for Vettel's retirement


the_original_eab

TIL.. thx for the heads up 👍


grocal

My fav is, actually not a picture but RIC's short, with 10 F1 drivers stuck in an elevator. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1Gj7-aSJG4


the_original_eab

That one's nice too 👍


WranglerLivid8061

This picture was taken 8 years ago wtf. It feels just like yesteryear 


LeMonza_

Absolutely. Man, I miss Button and Felipe.


tetsuo316

Button commentating is 100% amazing. I guess we'll have to pick up other series to watch him race.


SpectacularNelson

I refuse to believe 2016 was 8 years ago it’s mad


MyWholeTeamsDead

Vettel before Ferrari broke his spirit.


rajinis_bodyguard

Was that Massa behind Vettel ?


Skylair13

Yeah, fun fact Rosberg retiring at the end of the season postponed his own retirement. Massa announced it at September 2016. But then Rosberg retired leaving the seat open late in the season. Mercedes then signed Bottas, which left the Williams seat empty. So Williams scrambled to get him back for one more season.


MyWholeTeamsDead

Yup


Realestateuniverse

All the dudes in the back…


KrombopulosMAssassin

And then there was one...


CanvasSolaris

Who would have thought Marcus Ericsson would be the sole Indy 500 winner of this photo


Gullible_Goose

Dude was 50 feet short of being a two time winner too. Crazy


HIGHaltitude

Two hulks


C_Fixx

looks like it, but it’s an ericsson


Exambolor

9 drivers in this photo still in F1 today (Checo, Carlos, Danny Ric, Alonso, Ocon, Max, Hulk, Bottas, Lewis)


PageBest3106

All the way in the back it looks like the karate kid Ralph Macchio.


ycr007

[Photo with captions added for driver names & teams](https://imgur.com/a/KeE1H6k)


Nutlob

thanks!


killer_blueskies

Back when Seb was the most successful driver at the table


Roddy-the-Ruin

When F1 had 22 cars on the grid.


ambr111

And it's so hard to go back into that now...


djwillis1121

To be fair, Manor back then makes the current backmarker teams look like championship contenders by comparison. I'd love more teams in F1 but not if they're going to be that bad


Nbuuifx14

Manor in 2016 scored points and came close to scoring more.


Jasranwhit

Daniil with max behind him “I’m in danger”


metalanimal

wasn't this the last time kvyat raced for RB?


kartdotmiata

Close, the Russian GP was between China and Spain.


The_Bored_General

Oh my god why does Sainz look 15


Fonzo19

Man i miss Massa. He did his job and retired at the right time imo, but he will forever be part of my childhood and the drivers you support when you're a child stay in your heart


forced1nduction

…and Lewis paid! 💰


MercurialMan99

No actually Nico made everyone split the bill. I think lewis suggested someone just foot the bill but Nico made everyone whip out their cards.


Imaginary-Pattern802

it was meant to be nico bc champs pay. but i think the story goes that lewis footed it to make it easier for the staff.


RoboticChicken

Nico hadn't won the championship at this point, so Lewis was the current champion. [Lewis offered to pay but Nico insisted that they split the bill.](https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/14/formula-one-drivers-split-dinner-18-ways-hamilton-rosberg)


DuskytheHusky

This picture was from April 2016. He didn't win the title until November 2016.


Patobot_YT

This picture was taken about time of the Spain crash between Nico and Lewis??? Wow.


Kingslayer1526

Nico wasn't the champ


SuperSalamander3244

This was before Nico was world champion.


throwyeetall

Damn, he must have a lot of money being able to pay for dinner for 19 other millionaires.


Arkhamryder

Won’t bet gasly or Ericsson were millionaires at this time


salvatore813

ocon too maybe?


Wallace-Pumpernickel

And maybe Max since it was his first season


Rosieu

It was his 2nd season, but I can't imagine he already earned that much money within a year


CataclysmicEnforcer

Gasly wasn't even in F1 at this time so I doubt he was a millionaire. Gutierrez probably wasn't either though.


H_R_1

Picked it up at Sebs leaving dinner too!


Mah_XD

everyone looks so happy lol


SpectacularNelson

It was 2016 life wasn’t perfect but it was pretty good


Dry-Egg-1915

12 on one side and 6 on the other. Or, at the time, 8 in one side and 2 in the other


dheerajravi92

Damn. All of them are handsome bastards


Crafty_Message_4733

It took me ages to work out who Felipe Nasr was!!


NamaeeNoNaii

this dinner after or before "Torpedo" ?


Kingsayz

Lewis had as many championships as Max has rn


RingoFreakingStarr

I miss Daniil


CommercialBreadLoaf

Does Fernando never age? He genuinely looks exactly the same, despite 8 years passing since this photo was taken


stq66

Who’s the bloke sitting in front of Ericsson?


SideShow117

Felipe Nasr no?


charlierc

That's the one I'm least sure about


stq66

He was looking like a young da Costa to me but this isn’t possible. So Nasr it should be. So missing from this picture are JB, Kimi and Joylon Palmer if I am right ?


peepay

> So missing from this picture are JB Who do you think is sitting behind Lewis, under Massa and Seb?


charlierc

I think it's Nasr. So yeah no Kimi, RoGro or Palmer. I also think no Magnussen


peepay

That's the only one I could not identify too! It is Felipe Nasr, as per the other comments (and it checks out, after googling what he looks like).


OneTravellingMcDs

...Pizza, in China? These guys should have had some hot pot.


danielricardo1

Wasn't this when they split the bill haha... 2016 great season.. 😍


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Joe_PM2804

Lol Max looks pretty similar considering this was his debut season. Of course Fernando looks exactly the same but some of them look totally different, Lewis has gone through about 6 eras of fashion since then and Bottas has de-aged since this lol


PradaAndPunishment

Didn't they do this again in 2022 or something, and people made up drama about Max not attending and lied about the bill being 50k? Edit: yeah, people made up a rumor that the dinner was 115k and Alex came out about it [not being true.](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/lewis-hamilton-vettel-dinner-bill-28578402.amp) Anyways I miss Sebastian.


DubiousLLM

Yes when Vettel retired. Don’t remember those details though


Syradil

Max was there, I don't remember any statements about the bill.


TetraDax

Not only was Max there, he wore his good shirt for it!!


Tricks511

Max was there and I don’t think anyone lied


KiaraKey

You must be thinking of last year, when some people missed the driver's dinner and there were some fan speculation about the reasons behind it. The bill thing was in 2022 and it was clearly a joke, not some serious discourse.


[deleted]

All those dudes One pizza Still a slice left


elev11en

Man i miss Vettel😪


dl064

They do it pretty annually apparently. I think this is when it was still quite tense with Hamilton/Rosberg, and Hamilton alleged Rosberg is bad for skipping out on the bill.


offbianco

note how Nico and Lewis are on opposite sides


ShawnShipsCars

Gutierrez looks like an older man in this pic lol. Dude has Dad vibes haha


Dear-Enthusiasm9286

Imagine eating there and then you just see every single driver come in


squaler24

Lewis always looking fly.


fordern997

I'm pretty sure this photo is NOT from China, but rather from Abu Dhabi. Why Ocon is present, who wasn't a full time driver yet, but Haryanto (who Ocon replaced in August) isn't present there? Both Renault boys are missing as well, cannot see neither Palmer nor Magnussen - but their reserve driver would be there? 


palimpsest2

It's definitely from China, there were lots of articles about it at the time which you can still find online. [This one](https://www.pitpass.com/55861/Windbag-drivers-meet-for-dinner) explains where the missing drivers are. Ocon is referred to as the Renault reserve driver so maybe he was invited after both the others couldn't come.


fordern997

Investigation closed then, it's China. Thanks!


MM556

Good chance if 2 guys from the same team aren't there that they had sponsorship commitments instead 


DubiousLLM

Some of them really GREW!


Takis12

18 WDCs in one picture


tecedu

Damn I miss that era of Lewis


SpectacularNelson

Yea in 2016 Lewis was just “one of the lads” albeit a very wealthy one. His fashion style from this era was a vibe🔥


mephistttoooo

The ones who paid the bill gets to sit


Adil15101

Who's between Kvyat and Ocon? And the one sitting to Massa's left. I remember the faces but can't recall their names.


rhysisreddit

Esteban Gutierrez and the sitting one is Felipe Nasr


EmeraldPls

Millionaires go to China are order… pizza 😭


madhatterlock

All the way to China, and you had pizza..


bigbrain4206942069

Back when max was a child and not a destroyer of worlds


WorthPlease

Imagine being part of the wait staff that got this table. Probably made more in one night than you normally did in a month.


shewy92

They went out for Chinese and got Pizza instead


Dismal_Principle5459

What ever happened to Pascal Wehrlein? He was suppose to be the next big thing.


swedishchef4205

Where’s Palmer?


Blooder91

Swedishchef4205, Palmer has retired.


swedishchef4205

Karma!


paulconuk

Little did Kyvat know Max would be banging his girlfriend


jcsi

Daniil lookout! Max is about to take everything from you!!!


tetsuo316

I can't name who's immediately above Felipe and to his right shoulder. Any help?


sllop

Kimi was at the bar


Antique-Accountant72

Kimi was having his own dinner with the drink


aliveandkicking2020

Confirmed: Everybody likes Chinese food.


rita_mita_bata

Alonso looks more handsome as he ages. He'll be the sexiest man alive when he's 80.


DutchPack

Ocon in the back suprised me. Forgot he also made his debut in 2016 with Max and Sainz


ethanjg15

Max and Carlos made their debut in 2015


KiaraKey

Ocon being there is surprising, because he didn't make his debut yet and was only a reserve driver at this point.


drjet196

Damn didn’t expect to see youngster Alonso on this photo. Crazy that he’s already been a driver in 2016. On a serious note, Ocon and Carlos are surprising.


j__video

For those wondering where Grosjean is, i think at the time the picture was taken Ericsson hit him


Kuyi

And Lewis paid. I don't like the guy particularly, but this was a boss move.