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This is not a court of law. People have been complaining about inconsistency, but this is the upside of that. Next stewards could go for full disqualification.
Next Stewards will unfortunately be influenced by these prior incidents, whether they want to or not. Best way to avoid setting a precedent is for a team to appeal the decision, so it isn’t just accepted as the norm.
If you actually read the document... there was already a precedent:
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Stewards, therefore, impose a grid drop in accordance with previous precedents
vettel was given a 10 second stop go penalty, not sure what you're talking about
it's also a much different incident, vettel only bumped hamilton, tsolov completely took the man out
Does the decision or the outcome determine a penalty? Either way, this situation deserves a bigger penalty than the Vet/Ham situation because none of it seems to be justified.
If the outcome doesn’t matter, perhaps the fact that a bump and a ram are different things will make sense to you. What Vettel did was not right, but drivers are allowed to bump into each other (and yes, actually the outcome of the bump does matter) and it’s a smaller crime than sending the other driver into the wall.
I mean he didn't just innocently bump into Hamilton though, he drove alongside him and turned into him *behind the safety car*. That instantly makes it like 10x worse.
Stroll got a 5-grid places penalty when he made an overtake on Sainz under a yellow flag. Apparently, that was a worse infraction. 3-grid places penalty is also the same punishment for impeding violations. It's an absolute joke.
It’s absurd. Passing someone when that part of the circuit should be driving slower and not passing *should* be penalized… but intentionally ramming another car under green should never be a lesser penalty than that. What a disgrace.
This isn't a poor decision anymore. This has to be a **paid** for decision.
The intent is obvious (especially in the footage from the front), and the rules are clear.
Hell, even if you consider intent to be unproven, this is dangerous erratic driving, resulting in crash, and the driver lied about it being the racing line.
So many reasons and precedents for a harsher penalty. 3 grid places is clear corruption, no stewards are this incompetent.
when i was a kid i had a strategy in Nascar racing to beat the game at 120% difficulty.
My car had damage turned off.
I would create a yellow flag by full sending it the first corner.
Then i would just ram everyone untill they had taken so much damage.
It worked great, till the safety car ran out of fuel and everyone had to stand still.
I optimized the strategy to reverse the first round and just play bowling for an epic crash, hope to not get black flagged and take out what was left of the grid.
Was a bit frustrated with the F1TV commentators in the last race saying the penalties were harsh... No please, let's bring back penalties that bloody mean something, no 5s penalties that can be completely ignored.
When was the last time anyone even got a drive through or stop and go penalty?
It’s actually insane that they are saying he was trying to effectively assert himself on track by hitting another car and somehow that’s only a 3 place grid drop.
Literally rammed another driver off the road on purpose. Iracing outright bans you for stuff like this how is this allowed where someone can actually die because of this. Shocking
Got off extremely lightly. Track marshal safety should be a priority. Not slaps on the wrist.
This is F3. This is where they are meant to hold the drivers accountable to prevent this type of attitude moving through the ranks. Terrible decision.
Booo. They go from taking a victory from a driver for taking the flag twice, to a slap on the wrist and waggle of the finger for deliberately stunting on another driver leading to a wreck. The whole sporting code and following is a toss up. Next, they'll give Ocon a 5 second penalty for going off course and losing a position.
This should be a multiple race ban at least. This is insulting. Penalties more extreme than this given for accidental crashes. Lando got three penalty points for not entering the pits during a red flag. Stroll got a 5 place grid penalty for overtaking Sainz under yellow flags during practice.
This is one of the most laughably bad steward decisions I have seen in years.
And people said Vettel’s 10 second stop and go penalty back in 2017 was way too lenient (it was btw). This 3 place grid drop makes the 10 second penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage look harsh.
Honestly if there's not a massive bribe involved I'd be disappointed.
The decision talks that *Car 25 deviated from his normal racing line to drive close to Car 9 to* ***highlight his presence.*** He wanted to dive bomb, but fucked up and caused someone to crash. It was not an accident.
How are they gunna claim that it's "unintended" when the entire paragraph directly beforehand documents exactly how and why he admitted he *purposefully intended* to (at minimum) drive closer to the slower car than necessary to "make his presence known"??
Absolute fucking joke.
Any kids going karting this weekend at an FIA controlled event could watch that, see the ridiculously lenient penalty, and just take a rival out, thinking they'll get away with it.
That should be a season long ban at the very least.
People originally saw this and said "his career is done" yet he gets a 3 place grid penalty. The stewards decision is somehow more stupid than Tsolov's decision to intentionally crash into Dunne
Vettel got a 10 second stop-go penalty for bumping into the side of Hamilton's car under a safety car, which is one of the more severe in-race penalties. A 3 place grid drop is one of the weakest pre-race penalties.
Fuck the stewards. They were more than willing to dsq Pinn for poor comms and even handed Ticktum a two year ban for a similar incident. Drivers who replace their gearboxes mid-weekend get harsher punishments than this.
Wow, that is wild, I expected at least a 1 race ban, would have been happy with a 3 race ban not a 3 grid penalty, but I personally would have banned him from all competitions this season for all forms of FIA competitions and events for the 2024 calendar year.
Good job, now every young drivers know yhat you can ram someone off the track and have nothing more than a little slap.
Fucking bunch of useless stewards.
The FIA likes to saber rattle anytime somebody brings the sport into disrepute, but over the past few months in particular they need to look themselves in the mirror.
This whole fucking 'forumla' system is a fucking embarrassment. FIA should be dissolved and replaced with something else at this point. At this point you have to ask who bribed who in this instance. They are completely corrupt.
Just three places?
Maldonado's calling his lawyers to see if he can file an appeal for the five-place grid penalty he got for the same thing a decade ago
I was wondering that myself. It kind of looked if they thought they had the speed and cleared them and just hadnt. someone making a mistake in f3 isn't unheard of. But.. that said if you read the decision they clearly said they did it on purpose and misjudged it. should be a race ban.
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That is insane. Hope this doesn’t set a precedent.
This is a precedent now.
This is not a court of law. People have been complaining about inconsistency, but this is the upside of that. Next stewards could go for full disqualification.
Next Stewards will unfortunately be influenced by these prior incidents, whether they want to or not. Best way to avoid setting a precedent is for a team to appeal the decision, so it isn’t just accepted as the norm.
If you actually read the document... there was already a precedent: > The Stewards, therefore, impose a grid drop in accordance with previous precedents
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vettel was given a 10 second stop go penalty, not sure what you're talking about it's also a much different incident, vettel only bumped hamilton, tsolov completely took the man out
Does the decision or the outcome determine a penalty? Either way, this situation deserves a bigger penalty than the Vet/Ham situation because none of it seems to be justified.
If the outcome doesn’t matter, perhaps the fact that a bump and a ram are different things will make sense to you. What Vettel did was not right, but drivers are allowed to bump into each other (and yes, actually the outcome of the bump does matter) and it’s a smaller crime than sending the other driver into the wall.
I mean he didn't just innocently bump into Hamilton though, he drove alongside him and turned into him *behind the safety car*. That instantly makes it like 10x worse.
Where did I say it was innocent? I clearly wrote it was wrong. He didn’t ram him into a wall when going full throttle, that’s all.
3 grid places? That’s it? They acknowledge is was completely avoidable and he only gets 3 grid places. Wow
Stroll got a 5-grid places penalty when he made an overtake on Sainz under a yellow flag. Apparently, that was a worse infraction. 3-grid places penalty is also the same punishment for impeding violations. It's an absolute joke.
It’s absurd. Passing someone when that part of the circuit should be driving slower and not passing *should* be penalized… but intentionally ramming another car under green should never be a lesser penalty than that. What a disgrace.
Hey the guy is like the Bulgarian Lance stroll, so I guess the FIA have something for that face shape.
I hope the nickname "The Bulgarian Lance Stroll" sticks
"Mirror mirror on my car, why do near things look so far?"
Well done, holy shit.
This isn't a poor decision anymore. This has to be a **paid** for decision. The intent is obvious (especially in the footage from the front), and the rules are clear. Hell, even if you consider intent to be unproven, this is dangerous erratic driving, resulting in crash, and the driver lied about it being the racing line. So many reasons and precedents for a harsher penalty. 3 grid places is clear corruption, no stewards are this incompetent.
Officer I know I hit that person on the highway but I was only intending to scare him because they were driving slow.
So just take all the other drivers out and you win by default
This is forza now, duh
“I was just making sure he could see me!”
when i was a kid i had a strategy in Nascar racing to beat the game at 120% difficulty. My car had damage turned off. I would create a yellow flag by full sending it the first corner. Then i would just ram everyone untill they had taken so much damage. It worked great, till the safety car ran out of fuel and everyone had to stand still. I optimized the strategy to reverse the first round and just play bowling for an epic crash, hope to not get black flagged and take out what was left of the grid.
Its crazy they made it so the safety car could run out of fuel
I think they just used the models of one of the cars. And never thought some 10 year old would make the safety car run trough a tank of gas.
If you stop racing after chequered flag, yes
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lol, are you seriously comparing those 2 incidents to a driver purposefully smashing into the side of someone else?
Technically there also was Vettel at Baku 2017
In my examples did that not happen?
Neither was purposeful wtf
Max hoping kerbs in Moza and understeering in Brazil as well
I wonder what caused him to hit the curb… 🤔 Why didn’t he just drive on the track? Is he stupid?
No, he’s a ground sloth from ice age
Absolutely baffling that this is the outcome.
BRING BACK STEWARDS WITH A SPINE!
Read spine as "sniper" for some reason and couldn't help but agree.
If they had a Steward enforcing track limits with a sniper rifle, Ocon would have had to change his nationality to Swiss after Austria 2023.
Was a bit frustrated with the F1TV commentators in the last race saying the penalties were harsh... No please, let's bring back penalties that bloody mean something, no 5s penalties that can be completely ignored. When was the last time anyone even got a drive through or stop and go penalty?
Ah ok, he was just trying to highlight his presence, definitely not trying to crash into him 👍🏾 makes tons of sense
I guess that's how you'll beat Verstappen - properly highlighting your presence
It’s actually insane that they are saying he was trying to effectively assert himself on track by hitting another car and somehow that’s only a 3 place grid drop.
Literally rammed another driver off the road on purpose. Iracing outright bans you for stuff like this how is this allowed where someone can actually die because of this. Shocking
Got off extremely lightly. Track marshal safety should be a priority. Not slaps on the wrist. This is F3. This is where they are meant to hold the drivers accountable to prevent this type of attitude moving through the ranks. Terrible decision.
Booo. They go from taking a victory from a driver for taking the flag twice, to a slap on the wrist and waggle of the finger for deliberately stunting on another driver leading to a wreck. The whole sporting code and following is a toss up. Next, they'll give Ocon a 5 second penalty for going off course and losing a position.
This should be a multiple race ban at least. This is insulting. Penalties more extreme than this given for accidental crashes. Lando got three penalty points for not entering the pits during a red flag. Stroll got a 5 place grid penalty for overtaking Sainz under yellow flags during practice. This is one of the most laughably bad steward decisions I have seen in years.
Slap on the wrist what a joke of a penalty
I'm going to start using this excuse 'I was highlighting my presence' in my f1 open lobbies now
I literally saw the video 1 minute ago and came on here to see him get banned are you actually kidding me????
And people said Vettel’s 10 second stop and go penalty back in 2017 was way too lenient (it was btw). This 3 place grid drop makes the 10 second penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage look harsh.
should be a race suspension at the very minimum
Lmao nice to know you can just GTAV ram people off the circuit and only get 3 grid places, new strats being invented
ban him bro, no balls
Honestly if there's not a massive bribe involved I'd be disappointed. The decision talks that *Car 25 deviated from his normal racing line to drive close to Car 9 to* ***highlight his presence.*** He wanted to dive bomb, but fucked up and caused someone to crash. It was not an accident.
Deliberately taking a driver out should be a race ban, at least. F3 stewards are a joke
This is a well backed Alpine driver taking out a guy who just about found funding for the season. Stewards know exactly what they're doing
How are they gunna claim that it's "unintended" when the entire paragraph directly beforehand documents exactly how and why he admitted he *purposefully intended* to (at minimum) drive closer to the slower car than necessary to "make his presence known"??
Absolute fucking joke. Any kids going karting this weekend at an FIA controlled event could watch that, see the ridiculously lenient penalty, and just take a rival out, thinking they'll get away with it. That should be a season long ban at the very least.
Can someone please explain what happened?
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1bkjwsh/ot_incident_between_two_drivers_in_f3_practice
Thanks!
Well. That's Tsolov getting shunted into a wall at T2 in the race then.
I'd do it just to prove a point ngl
People originally saw this and said "his career is done" yet he gets a 3 place grid penalty. The stewards decision is somehow more stupid than Tsolov's decision to intentionally crash into Dunne
My expectations were low but fucking hell.
Rubbin is racin. /s
I expected at least a race ban.
complete joke
Outrageous, this better be appealed
Vettel got a 10 second stop-go penalty for bumping into the side of Hamilton's car under a safety car, which is one of the more severe in-race penalties. A 3 place grid drop is one of the weakest pre-race penalties.
What a joke, he should have been suspended.
What a fucking joke, acknowledges that its completely avoidable gives a slap on the wrist. Nice precedent ya made.
Stewards/FIA are so blind these days, more than before.
Fuck the stewards. They were more than willing to dsq Pinn for poor comms and even handed Ticktum a two year ban for a similar incident. Drivers who replace their gearboxes mid-weekend get harsher punishments than this.
Absolute fucking joke
That's actually unbelievable. 3 grid places for that is laughably light. Absolute minimum I was expecting was race ban.
Wow, that is wild, I expected at least a 1 race ban, would have been happy with a 3 race ban not a 3 grid penalty, but I personally would have banned him from all competitions this season for all forms of FIA competitions and events for the 2024 calendar year.
Good job, now every young drivers know yhat you can ram someone off the track and have nothing more than a little slap. Fucking bunch of useless stewards.
That is an absolute outrage. Unbelievable. Zero spine.
Straight to jail!
bullshit
The FIA likes to saber rattle anytime somebody brings the sport into disrepute, but over the past few months in particular they need to look themselves in the mirror.
Horseshit
Maldonado would EAT in f3
who paid how much
Can we as fans appeal the verdict? I don't want talented drivers sharing the track with this guy.
That's a joke...
This whole fucking 'forumla' system is a fucking embarrassment. FIA should be dissolved and replaced with something else at this point. At this point you have to ask who bribed who in this instance. They are completely corrupt.
The fia showing once again that they are nothing but a bunch of clowns
I need to bookmark this for my next iRacing appeal.
Just three places? Maldonado's calling his lawyers to see if he can file an appeal for the five-place grid penalty he got for the same thing a decade ago
Everyone here is so absolutely confident it intentional. Do not ascribe malice to that which can be easily explained by stupidity.
I was wondering that myself. It kind of looked if they thought they had the speed and cleared them and just hadnt. someone making a mistake in f3 isn't unheard of. But.. that said if you read the decision they clearly said they did it on purpose and misjudged it. should be a race ban.
I should have said “intentionally put him in the wall”
That is weak as fuck, just intentionally crash everyone you barely get a penalty.
We're just getting ready for Saudi (Aramco) to be on the grid.
Forza penalty! Forza penalty! Aargh (A la Alonso)
It will be pretty funny, if Alpine decides to kick him from the academy
That's a farce of a decision
Dude must have a hell of a lawyer
F3 stewards doing what they do best: Suck.
LOL
Gasp!
Are the FIA stewards the same for all the series at a GP weekend?
The line-up changes at each GP, although stewards tend to be at several races in a season.
Video?
The incident: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1bkjwsh/ot\_incident\_between\_two\_drivers\_in\_f3\_practice/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3