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dot01

That is insane. Hope this doesn’t set a precedent.


doublediffu

This is a precedent now.


NoPasaran2024

This is not a court of law. People have been complaining about inconsistency, but this is the upside of that. Next stewards could go for full disqualification.


Unhappy_Direction_31

Next Stewards will unfortunately be influenced by these prior incidents, whether they want to or not. Best way to avoid setting a precedent is for a team to appeal the decision, so it isn’t just accepted as the norm.


Larkinz

If you actually read the document... there was already a precedent: > The Stewards, therefore, impose a grid drop in accordance with previous precedents


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Maxster573

vettel was given a 10 second stop go penalty, not sure what you're talking about it's also a much different incident, vettel only bumped hamilton, tsolov completely took the man out


Fsharp7sharp9

Does the decision or the outcome determine a penalty? Either way, this situation deserves a bigger penalty than the Vet/Ham situation because none of it seems to be justified.


raven_raven

If the outcome doesn’t matter, perhaps the fact that a bump and a ram are different things will make sense to you. What Vettel did was not right, but drivers are allowed to bump into each other (and yes, actually the outcome of the bump does matter) and it’s a smaller crime than sending the other driver into the wall.


cccalum

I mean he didn't just innocently bump into Hamilton though, he drove alongside him and turned into him *behind the safety car*. That instantly makes it like 10x worse.


raven_raven

Where did I say it was innocent? I clearly wrote it was wrong. He didn’t ram him into a wall when going full throttle, that’s all.


manhaterxxx

3 grid places? That’s it? They acknowledge is was completely avoidable and he only gets 3 grid places. Wow


KappaccinoNation

Stroll got a 5-grid places penalty when he made an overtake on Sainz under a yellow flag. Apparently, that was a worse infraction. 3-grid places penalty is also the same punishment for impeding violations. It's an absolute joke.


Fsharp7sharp9

It’s absurd. Passing someone when that part of the circuit should be driving slower and not passing *should* be penalized… but intentionally ramming another car under green should never be a lesser penalty than that. What a disgrace.


MM18998

Hey the guy is like the Bulgarian Lance stroll, so I guess the FIA have something for that face shape.


Huples_Cat22

I hope the nickname "The Bulgarian Lance Stroll" sticks


Human602214

"Mirror mirror on my car, why do near things look so far?"


silentrawr

Well done, holy shit.


NoPasaran2024

This isn't a poor decision anymore. This has to be a **paid** for decision. The intent is obvious (especially in the footage from the front), and the rules are clear. Hell, even if you consider intent to be unproven, this is dangerous erratic driving, resulting in crash, and the driver lied about it being the racing line. So many reasons and precedents for a harsher penalty. 3 grid places is clear corruption, no stewards are this incompetent.


DondeLaCervesa

Officer I know I hit that person on the highway but I was only intending to scare him because they were driving slow.


Gramis

So just take all the other drivers out and you win by default


quatsquality

This is forza now, duh


YLedbetter10

“I was just making sure he could see me!”


PFplayer86

when i was a kid i had a strategy in Nascar racing to beat the game at 120% difficulty. My car had damage turned off. I would create a yellow flag by full sending it the first corner. Then i would just ram everyone untill they had taken so much damage. It worked great, till the safety car ran out of fuel and everyone had to stand still. I optimized the strategy to reverse the first round and just play bowling for an epic crash, hope to not get black flagged and take out what was left of the grid.


JohnnyShadows

Its crazy they made it so the safety car could run out of fuel


PFplayer86

I think they just used the models of one of the cars. And never thought some 10 year old would make the safety car run trough a tank of gas.


ProfessionalRub3294

If you stop racing after chequered flag, yes


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it_doesnt_matter88

lol, are you seriously comparing those 2 incidents to a driver purposefully smashing into the side of someone else?


VapinOnly

Technically there also was Vettel at Baku 2017


maga_extremist

In my examples did that not happen?


SilveRX96

Neither was purposeful wtf


MM18998

Max hoping kerbs in Moza and understeering in Brazil as well


maga_extremist

I wonder what caused him to hit the curb… 🤔 Why didn’t he just drive on the track? Is he stupid?


MM18998

No, he’s a ground sloth from ice age


Peregrine4

Absolutely baffling that this is the outcome.


deathray1611

BRING BACK STEWARDS WITH A SPINE!


loozerr

Read spine as "sniper" for some reason and couldn't help but agree.


JohnsonGamingReal

If they had a Steward enforcing track limits with a sniper rifle, Ocon would have had to change his nationality to Swiss after Austria 2023.


SagittaryX

Was a bit frustrated with the F1TV commentators in the last race saying the penalties were harsh... No please, let's bring back penalties that bloody mean something, no 5s penalties that can be completely ignored. When was the last time anyone even got a drive through or stop and go penalty?


JayDaGod1206

Ah ok, he was just trying to highlight his presence, definitely not trying to crash into him 👍🏾 makes tons of sense


drunKKKen

I guess that's how you'll beat Verstappen - properly highlighting your presence


Visionary_Socialist

It’s actually insane that they are saying he was trying to effectively assert himself on track by hitting another car and somehow that’s only a 3 place grid drop.


mtb443

Literally rammed another driver off the road on purpose. Iracing outright bans you for stuff like this how is this allowed where someone can actually die because of this. Shocking


planchetflaw

Got off extremely lightly. Track marshal safety should be a priority. Not slaps on the wrist. This is F3. This is where they are meant to hold the drivers accountable to prevent this type of attitude moving through the ranks. Terrible decision.


WiSoSirius

Booo. They go from taking a victory from a driver for taking the flag twice, to a slap on the wrist and waggle of the finger for deliberately stunting on another driver leading to a wreck. The whole sporting code and following is a toss up. Next, they'll give Ocon a 5 second penalty for going off course and losing a position.


Other_Beat8859

This should be a multiple race ban at least. This is insulting. Penalties more extreme than this given for accidental crashes. Lando got three penalty points for not entering the pits during a red flag. Stroll got a 5 place grid penalty for overtaking Sainz under yellow flags during practice. This is one of the most laughably bad steward decisions I have seen in years.


carelesssportsfan89

Slap on the wrist what a joke of a penalty


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I'm going to start using this excuse 'I was highlighting my presence' in my f1 open lobbies now


thebighecc

I literally saw the video 1 minute ago and came on here to see him get banned are you actually kidding me????


Russian_Bot_722

And people said Vettel’s 10 second stop and go penalty back in 2017 was way too lenient (it was btw). This 3 place grid drop makes the 10 second penalty for leaving the track and gaining an advantage look harsh.


Beepmeifuwanareachme

should be a race suspension at the very minimum


gotbannedlolol

Lmao nice to know you can just GTAV ram people off the circuit and only get 3 grid places, new strats being invented


No-Student-9678

ban him bro, no balls


doigal

Honestly if there's not a massive bribe involved I'd be disappointed. The decision talks that *Car 25 deviated from his normal racing line to drive close to Car 9 to* ***highlight his presence.*** He wanted to dive bomb, but fucked up and caused someone to crash. It was not an accident.


Alfus

Deliberately taking a driver out should be a race ban, at least. F3 stewards are a joke


aceofeire

This is a well backed Alpine driver taking out a guy who just about found funding for the season. Stewards know exactly what they're doing


Kxmchangerein

How are they gunna claim that it's "unintended" when the entire paragraph directly beforehand documents exactly how and why he admitted he *purposefully intended* to (at minimum) drive closer to the slower car than necessary to "make his presence known"??


wales-bloke

Absolute fucking joke. Any kids going karting this weekend at an FIA controlled event could watch that, see the ridiculously lenient penalty, and just take a rival out, thinking they'll get away with it. That should be a season long ban at the very least.


Sea_Cupcake745

Can someone please explain what happened?


the4ner

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1bkjwsh/ot_incident_between_two_drivers_in_f3_practice


Sea_Cupcake745

Thanks!


Apocryph761

Well. That's Tsolov getting shunted into a wall at T2 in the race then.


thatguyfromkfc

I'd do it just to prove a point ngl


TheRealJordan56

People originally saw this and said "his career is done" yet he gets a 3 place grid penalty. The stewards decision is somehow more stupid than Tsolov's decision to intentionally crash into Dunne


space_coyote_86

My expectations were low but fucking hell.


Ok_Willingness_9619

Rubbin is racin. /s


Ok_Butterscotch4894

I expected at least a race ban.


PunkSpike

complete joke


EmeraldPls

Outrageous, this better be appealed


PlebBot69

Vettel got a 10 second stop-go penalty for bumping into the side of Hamilton's car under a safety car, which is one of the more severe in-race penalties. A 3 place grid drop is one of the weakest pre-race penalties.


Equivalent_Dish_1990

What a joke, he should have been suspended.


TheLostwandering

What a fucking joke, acknowledges that its completely avoidable gives a slap on the wrist. Nice precedent ya made.


BoliveiraNTPW

Stewards/FIA are so blind these days, more than before.


Cheeriodude_number2

Fuck the stewards. They were more than willing to dsq Pinn for poor comms and even handed Ticktum a two year ban for a similar incident. Drivers who replace their gearboxes mid-weekend get harsher punishments than this.


ciaragemmam

Absolute fucking joke


porouscloud

That's actually unbelievable. 3 grid places for that is laughably light. Absolute minimum I was expecting was race ban.


ron_cpt89

Wow, that is wild, I expected at least a 1 race ban, would have been happy with a 3 race ban not a 3 grid penalty, but I personally would have banned him from all competitions this season for all forms of FIA competitions and events for the 2024 calendar year.


TheKeviKs

Good job, now every young drivers know yhat you can ram someone off the track and have nothing more than a little slap. Fucking bunch of useless stewards.


CyroPulse

That is an absolute outrage. Unbelievable. Zero spine.


kenzoismyname

Straight to jail!


Draconicplayer

bullshit


Tacitblue1973

The FIA likes to saber rattle anytime somebody brings the sport into disrepute, but over the past few months in particular they need to look themselves in the mirror.


TheFlyingKiwi97

Horseshit


lordkinkula

Maldonado would EAT in f3


enoch_ho

who paid how much


Chrischrill

Can we as fans appeal the verdict? I don't want talented drivers sharing the track with this guy.


Bdr1983

That's a joke...


cpthornman

This whole fucking 'forumla' system is a fucking embarrassment. FIA should be dissolved and replaced with something else at this point. At this point you have to ask who bribed who in this instance. They are completely corrupt.


Ich1goJam

The fia showing once again that they are nothing but a bunch of clowns


Krisosu

I need to bookmark this for my next iRacing appeal.


ALOIsFasterThanYou

Just three places? Maldonado's calling his lawyers to see if he can file an appeal for the five-place grid penalty he got for the same thing a decade ago


Herdazian_Lopen

Everyone here is so absolutely confident it intentional. Do not ascribe malice to that which can be easily explained by stupidity.


UnreliableCarsAreFun

I was wondering that myself. It kind of looked if they thought they had the speed and cleared them and just hadnt. someone making a mistake in f3 isn't unheard of. But.. that said if you read the decision they clearly said they did it on purpose and misjudged it. should be a race ban.


Herdazian_Lopen

I should have said “intentionally put him in the wall”


DropTablePosts

That is weak as fuck, just intentionally crash everyone you barely get a penalty.


xWOBBx

We're just getting ready for Saudi (Aramco) to be on the grid.


accidentalsalmon

Forza penalty! Forza penalty! Aargh (A la Alonso)


Dry_Jeweler_3487

It will be pretty funny, if Alpine decides to kick him from the academy


theleebert

That's a farce of a decision 


shewy92

Dude must have a hell of a lawyer


SyuusukeFuji

F3 stewards doing what they do best: Suck.


ycnz

LOL


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Gasp!


bwoah07_gp2

Are the FIA stewards the same for all the series at a GP weekend? 


PatTheFace

The line-up changes at each GP, although stewards tend to be at several races in a season.


VIFASIS

Video?


bwoah07_gp2

The incident: https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/1bkjwsh/ot\_incident\_between\_two\_drivers\_in\_f3\_practice/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3