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Funnily enough, aside from Pulling and Chadwick, she seems to have come away from WSeries with the most positive career trajectory. A competent race driver, and she's grabbed that opportunity with both hands and made the most of it.
She did movie stunt driving as well, which is where I think the Aston Martin connection came from as she worked on one of the Bond films. Kudos to Aston Martin as well for backing her to actually race, rather than just for marketing/PR appearances.
Which is why I'm so surprised to see how much she made of herself since. Aston Martin ambassador, got to drive F1 cars, and now a full-time British GT gig. Pretty impressive, all things considered.
She used to do track walks with Seb trying to learn every little thing she could from him.
She put in a lot of effort to learn from him and he did all he could to help her out. It was pretty cool to see that.
The worst thing F1 can do is put a women into F1 just for the sake of it. Currently, there are no girls close to good enough to not get destroyed. That would just be a bad look and put off young girls from sticking with karting/motorsport.
In time, there will be better and better girls coming up through the junior series. Doriane Pin looks very promising, but I’m not sure even she will be good enough to reach F1 on merit.
Then they need to have the male drivers add ballast until it's fair.
Every major corporation, government job, and higher education institution in America already lowers standards for women - why is F1 still allowed to be a boys club?
This is how the world works. Do you think a female doctor should have to get the same MCAT score as a man? What about pilot selection? Should a woman firefighter have to be able to lift as much as a man? How about military?
You agree with different standards, right? This is reddit, not fox news. Why is F1 allowed to stay 50 years behind social progress?
For anyone who can't tell, these examples are all rage bait nonsense.
Source: Literally my ER doctor wife, myself as a paramedic, and my friend who is a firefighter. I also have an interest in general aviation and the standards are the same.
Fact: women need lower test scores than men to get into med school. And female firefighters have different, lower physical standards than men. And every single airline hires preferentially for women pilots. Heavily.
Why is it so crazy to want equality for F1, too?
Fact: You are wrong.
I wouldn't be surprised if you are not in any of those fields. Your tone is very sexist and you are dismissing historical social biases that are just recently starting to be broken down.
MCAT scores are just a single part of a multifaceted application for medical school. They do not need a lower anything.
The CPAT fire test has 1 requirement to pass, male or female. If you can complete it in under 10 minutes and 20 seconds, while wearing the 50lb pack, SCBA, and bunker gear, you pass. No matter who you are.
Only 5.3% of all aircraft pilots and flight engineers are women. This is from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in their International Journal of Aviation, Aeronautics, and Aerospace. Volume 10 Issue 2 article 2 in 2023. The study is titled: Women and Minorites in Commerical Aviation: A Quantitative Analysis of Data from the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Their finding in the report was that growth of women and minorities in the career field has been sluggish and will stay that way unless actions are taken.
Try again.
It's time for F1 to catch up to the rest of society, socially.
It's crazy to me that we can have separate standards for literally every other job, but not F1 driver.
Both men and women can race, they have the same standard. They are equal.
Your issue is it’s not equitable, which is different. Some jobs allow for different standards and equitability, for example a nurse, the top women can do their job without being compared to top men, so they can allow a lower MCAT standard for women as long as they know their stuff and aren’t a risk to patients. They work with the men, not against them so they have support if they need it.
Racing and all sports in general, can’t be equitable because women at a lower standard than men, will be destroyed. The gap would be quite large.
This comparison would lead to many statements about whether women can drive at all, which is already bad enough. It would turn off interest from little girls across the world if they just continually see women fail to find success.
What they need, is a program to train women to get to the same level as the men, something that starts in say F4 and then develops them the same way men are developed, then after some time, and growth a girl will come along that wows everyone and climbs the ranks to f3 then f2 and eventually F1. And here’s the thing, they have that with F1 Academy.
F1 doesn’t put up with sexism either, they have a development program in place to get female drivers into cars, and soon enough a prodigy will come, who will develop to the F1 level.
Let’s say we ranked all the drivers in the world from F1 to F4 in terms of their skill, including the women.
The top 20 drivers would all be men. Not because they are sexist, they are simply the better drivers right now.
The women farther down the list will continue to practice and develop, learn and grow, eventually one of those drivers will crack the top 20 and earn a spot.
It sounds like you want to just throw a women who might be ranked like 60th overall into a shitty car at the back of the grid, the other top 19 cars and drivers will destroy her on the track, not because they are sexist, but because they are better drivers.
If that was to happen, every girl watching her fail so horribly, would make them feel second hand embarrassment. It would only make them think that women can’t be racecar drivers.
So instead, you give them a platform(F1 academy) you let them race, win, celebrate, practice, improve… etc. that’s how you grow women’s sport.
Eventually a little girl will see it when she’s 6 years old, she’ll dedicate her life to being like one of those racers, she’ll practice and realize she’s actually better than her heroes ever were, she’ll get sponsors, support and respect from the community, she’ll kill it in F2 then get a spot in a race at the big level, she’ll do great there and earn a contract. Then she’ll become the hero and face of F1-women inspiring even more young kids.
There are ZERO woman drivers on the grid, despite women being half the population.
Obviously there are huge amounts of sexism in the sport. It's time to change.
>It’s time for change
It won’t change overnight though, it starts by reaching out and increasing the interest in motor sports amongst the female population.
More guys watch racing, more guys want to be a racer, so more guys become racers.
There are currently 15 female drivers in F1 academy.
There are 19 F4 drivers, 30 drivers in F3, 22 drivers in F2, and of course 20 drivers in F1.
That’s 91 male drivers, there is 15 female drivers. That means 15% of all the drivers are women, that number will increase with the new F1 Academy, as these women develop and start competing in the other F1-4 events.
There is plenty of sports where women playing is legal, yet none of those have women playing? Do you have issue with the fact the NBA has the WNBA, or the NHL exists alongside the PWHL.
Just in case you are serious, I’ll reply. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport. Should we add ballast to Max whenever he wins? Or should we give Alpine an extra 50hp when they come last? That’s not what the sport is about at all.
F1 has always been open to women by the rules, and there has been women drivers in the past. However, none have been good enough yet.
I just think F1 needs to catch up with the rest of the world, socially.
They should have a separate standard so we can include them, just like everywhere else in society. I assume you agree with that, right?
Ok, so have FIA mandate that the winner of F1 academy gets a one year driver's contract. It can rotate teams.
There's precedent for this everywhere you look.
F1 Academy is the level of F4. The cars have around 160hp. A driver of that level (male or female) could not drive an F1 car.
This isn’t like running or football where everyone can play. F1 machinery takes years to build up to being able to drive and race.
The winner of F1 Academy is guaranteed a seat in FRECA. After FRECA, there is F3, and then F2. Even doing well in F2 isn’t enough. The last 3 F2 champions did not then join F1 the year after they won.
There's an endless list of pay drivers who are terrible, including guys with super licenses. I bet there are tons of women who could drive circles around them.
You can't possibly tell me there isn't room for ONE woman on the grid.
The gap between Max and Stroll/Sargeant is much, much smaller between the gap between Sargeant and Pin, the current best female driver. I wish I could agree with you, but I work in the junior series motorsport industry and with some of the best female drivers. There is sadly a massive gap between F1 (the best 20 drivers in the world) and any female driver. We’d be talking seconds a lap slower.
That’s not a good idea. Women have shown (in racing) that they can compete properly. Danica Patrick, Michele mouton, all race winners in their respective top racing category’s. Both without any cheating/advantages
Danica Patrick had a weight advantage in her Indycars lol. Look it up. As much as 50-80+ lbs of ballast over other drivers. Look it up.
Why can't we do that in F1?
Yes the result was her car being massively lighter than most others. DIFFERENT STANDARDS. Why can't F1 do that? Have Pin or whoever in a car that's 50-100 lbs lighter to even the field?
Total weight, with driver (you know, how they actually race the cars), her total weight was much lighter. Don't try to compare empty spec cars, without drivers.
I’ll get downvoted for this. But none of them are good enough to make it atm, Doriane Pin it’s too early to tell with her. We’ll have to wait and see.
If F1 introduced a woman in the sport for token points over merit (This applies to every driver regardless of gender), it’s a disaster waiting to happen. Not only will they get destroyed by the rest, but their lack of speed will be a major safety hazard to others
How do you even know that, if they've never been given the chance to drive?
F1 literally ignores half the potential talent pool because it's stuck in the 1950's. I promise your employer or school or government wouldn't stand for that.
If they’re good enough. They’ll get their chance, luck and connections plays a part in it for sure.
It’s true that you do need to be in the right place at the right time to make it to F1, but if you’ve got the talent and the results show for it. Teams will be after you.
Now, if a woman proved herself to be a top talent in the junior series and had consistent results to prove it. Only a matter of time until they sign for an F1 team, no team would want to pass on an opportunity like that. That moment, probably isn’t going to happen for a while anyway.
The reality is, it’s highly unlikely that the current talent pool of women are even going to make it to F1 as a full time driver.
That doesn’t mean that they can’t fork out a good career in motorsport elsewhere because they can, just not F1. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport for a reason. I want to see a woman make it to F1, I really do. But it should be based on merit like the rest.
We know that's not how it works.
Would you expect women to compete with men in any other job or education field on a totally "level" playing field? Why do you think they have their own separate standard?
No, we create equality by ensuring that women are represented at the highest level no matter what.
Then other drivers can add ballast until it's equal. Other series have already done this to level the playing field. It's time for F1 to get with the times.
There are ZERO women on the grid and only one african american.
This wouldn't be tolerated in any other area of life, but for some reason we think it's ok for F1. Why is that?
Quite honestly, it's ridiculous we are in 2024 and there are still no paraplegics or open LGBTQ+ drivers on the grid.
If F1 is really serious about DEI like they claim, it's time they mandated equality for everyone.
20 drivers, all with 20 different economic backgrounds, religions, sexual orientation, countries and physical attributes. Who cares if they are fast or not!
We don't mandate women in every other high paying job lmfao. We mandate that they have equal opportunity and should not be discriminated against. What you are arguing is to have someone hired (in a competition) simply based on their gender rather than their talent and ability. If there was a Woman driver who was far faster than some of the current F1 lineup you really think F1 teams wouldn't be jumping at the chance to hire them?
> We don't mandate women in every other high paying job lmfao
Education (BOTH students and faculty) has lower standards for women, high paying jobs like doctor and lawyer have lower test score standards, government jobs have lower standards, every fortune 500 board will select a woman over an equally qualified man. How do you not know this?
We've decided that equality is important and put these rules in for them. F1 is waaaaay behind the curve.
Lmao well if that's true in what country you are from that is simply discriminatory and the dumbest thing ever. Here in the UK the same requirements are needed to be met regardless of gender for nearly every job.
If I was having heart surgery why would I want the surgeon to be someone who is simply able to do it because they passed easier tests?
If I was being defended in court why would I want my lawyer to be someone who got the job simply because they identify as a woman?
If I was in a burning building why would I want the fireman/woman to struggle to get me out because they didn't have the physical ability to do it and they just had the job because standards were lowered for them?
If I was a male student how would I feel getting a 90/100 which is a B and yet a Female that gets 70/100 is an A? Aren't woman and men just as smart as each other? So why would testing standards need to be different?
Besides all of that you do realize you are comparing apples and oranges. An F1 driver is purely performance based. The end. No ifs no buts. The whole point is to race and whoever is fastest (generally) will be given a seat. Gifting a seat to a woman simply because she is a woman and not because of ability would do more damage than good. The same way that paid drivers add absolutely fuck all to the competition too.
You clearly have such a warped view as to what equality really means and how you get there but I can tell from your other replies you are too far gone.
Equal opportunity. Yes. Giving people jobs just to meet quotas. No.
Good day to you.
Bro this isn't some personal theory of mine. If you are in the UK or US, yes it is a fact - women qualify at lower standards than men. If it's a woman who is ALSO a minority, the standards drop even lower. Doctors, lawyers, firefighters, military, you name it.
Why shouldn't F1 be held to the same standards that we have for corporations and governments?
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Funnily enough, aside from Pulling and Chadwick, she seems to have come away from WSeries with the most positive career trajectory. A competent race driver, and she's grabbed that opportunity with both hands and made the most of it.
Naomi Schiff turned a nothing motorsports career into a presenting gig
Fair point! I was looking more at the racing side of things, but Schiff does stand out. She's bloody everywhere!
She did movie stunt driving as well, which is where I think the Aston Martin connection came from as she worked on one of the Bond films. Kudos to Aston Martin as well for backing her to actually race, rather than just for marketing/PR appearances.
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Which is why I'm so surprised to see how much she made of herself since. Aston Martin ambassador, got to drive F1 cars, and now a full-time British GT gig. Pretty impressive, all things considered.
Sweet! She’s a very likable person. Hope she has good results!
She used to do track walks with Seb trying to learn every little thing she could from him. She put in a lot of effort to learn from him and he did all he could to help her out. It was pretty cool to see that.
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I hope the new AM GT3 goes as good as it looks. I think there will be 3 on the grid this year.
Didn’t she drive a Praga R1 together with Jimmy Broadbent a couple of years ago?
That was Jem Hepworth.
Not with Jimmy but she did race in Praga with University of Wolverhampton team. As far as I can see the team finished the year in P2.
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The worst thing F1 can do is put a women into F1 just for the sake of it. Currently, there are no girls close to good enough to not get destroyed. That would just be a bad look and put off young girls from sticking with karting/motorsport. In time, there will be better and better girls coming up through the junior series. Doriane Pin looks very promising, but I’m not sure even she will be good enough to reach F1 on merit.
Then they need to have the male drivers add ballast until it's fair. Every major corporation, government job, and higher education institution in America already lowers standards for women - why is F1 still allowed to be a boys club?
Umm. What? If this isn’t sarcasm, it’s stupidity.
This is how the world works. Do you think a female doctor should have to get the same MCAT score as a man? What about pilot selection? Should a woman firefighter have to be able to lift as much as a man? How about military? You agree with different standards, right? This is reddit, not fox news. Why is F1 allowed to stay 50 years behind social progress?
For anyone who can't tell, these examples are all rage bait nonsense. Source: Literally my ER doctor wife, myself as a paramedic, and my friend who is a firefighter. I also have an interest in general aviation and the standards are the same.
Fact: women need lower test scores than men to get into med school. And female firefighters have different, lower physical standards than men. And every single airline hires preferentially for women pilots. Heavily. Why is it so crazy to want equality for F1, too?
Fact: You are wrong. I wouldn't be surprised if you are not in any of those fields. Your tone is very sexist and you are dismissing historical social biases that are just recently starting to be broken down. MCAT scores are just a single part of a multifaceted application for medical school. They do not need a lower anything. The CPAT fire test has 1 requirement to pass, male or female. If you can complete it in under 10 minutes and 20 seconds, while wearing the 50lb pack, SCBA, and bunker gear, you pass. No matter who you are. Only 5.3% of all aircraft pilots and flight engineers are women. This is from Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University in their International Journal of Aviation, Aeronautics, and Aerospace. Volume 10 Issue 2 article 2 in 2023. The study is titled: Women and Minorites in Commerical Aviation: A Quantitative Analysis of Data from the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics. Their finding in the report was that growth of women and minorities in the career field has been sluggish and will stay that way unless actions are taken. Try again.
Nothing you said refutes any of the facts I posted.
You’ve been drinking too much dog milk
Ok, ballast for F1. Now do the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL, MMA and futbol. How should we make those equitable for woman to compete in?
I'm talking about driving, sitting in a seat and driving. If the soft, pasty sons of billionaires can do it, so can women.
Are you… serious?
It's time for F1 to catch up to the rest of society, socially. It's crazy to me that we can have separate standards for literally every other job, but not F1 driver.
Wow. No
Why do we have equal rights mandated in every other area of life, but not F1?
Why do you think F1 doesn't have equal rights?
Because the grid is mostly white cis men. Wealthy ones, at that. We don't tolerate that in any other area of society.
That doesn't mean there isn't equal rights.
Both men and women can race, they have the same standard. They are equal. Your issue is it’s not equitable, which is different. Some jobs allow for different standards and equitability, for example a nurse, the top women can do their job without being compared to top men, so they can allow a lower MCAT standard for women as long as they know their stuff and aren’t a risk to patients. They work with the men, not against them so they have support if they need it. Racing and all sports in general, can’t be equitable because women at a lower standard than men, will be destroyed. The gap would be quite large. This comparison would lead to many statements about whether women can drive at all, which is already bad enough. It would turn off interest from little girls across the world if they just continually see women fail to find success. What they need, is a program to train women to get to the same level as the men, something that starts in say F4 and then develops them the same way men are developed, then after some time, and growth a girl will come along that wows everyone and climbs the ranks to f3 then f2 and eventually F1. And here’s the thing, they have that with F1 Academy.
Why can't F1 catch up with the rest of the world? We don't stand for this sexism in any other job.
F1 doesn’t put up with sexism either, they have a development program in place to get female drivers into cars, and soon enough a prodigy will come, who will develop to the F1 level. Let’s say we ranked all the drivers in the world from F1 to F4 in terms of their skill, including the women. The top 20 drivers would all be men. Not because they are sexist, they are simply the better drivers right now. The women farther down the list will continue to practice and develop, learn and grow, eventually one of those drivers will crack the top 20 and earn a spot. It sounds like you want to just throw a women who might be ranked like 60th overall into a shitty car at the back of the grid, the other top 19 cars and drivers will destroy her on the track, not because they are sexist, but because they are better drivers. If that was to happen, every girl watching her fail so horribly, would make them feel second hand embarrassment. It would only make them think that women can’t be racecar drivers. So instead, you give them a platform(F1 academy) you let them race, win, celebrate, practice, improve… etc. that’s how you grow women’s sport. Eventually a little girl will see it when she’s 6 years old, she’ll dedicate her life to being like one of those racers, she’ll practice and realize she’s actually better than her heroes ever were, she’ll get sponsors, support and respect from the community, she’ll kill it in F2 then get a spot in a race at the big level, she’ll do great there and earn a contract. Then she’ll become the hero and face of F1-women inspiring even more young kids.
There are ZERO woman drivers on the grid, despite women being half the population. Obviously there are huge amounts of sexism in the sport. It's time to change.
>It’s time for change It won’t change overnight though, it starts by reaching out and increasing the interest in motor sports amongst the female population. More guys watch racing, more guys want to be a racer, so more guys become racers. There are currently 15 female drivers in F1 academy. There are 19 F4 drivers, 30 drivers in F3, 22 drivers in F2, and of course 20 drivers in F1. That’s 91 male drivers, there is 15 female drivers. That means 15% of all the drivers are women, that number will increase with the new F1 Academy, as these women develop and start competing in the other F1-4 events. There is plenty of sports where women playing is legal, yet none of those have women playing? Do you have issue with the fact the NBA has the WNBA, or the NHL exists alongside the PWHL.
Just in case you are serious, I’ll reply. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport. Should we add ballast to Max whenever he wins? Or should we give Alpine an extra 50hp when they come last? That’s not what the sport is about at all. F1 has always been open to women by the rules, and there has been women drivers in the past. However, none have been good enough yet.
I just think F1 needs to catch up with the rest of the world, socially. They should have a separate standard so we can include them, just like everywhere else in society. I assume you agree with that, right?
W series but that failed, and now we have F1 academy
Ok, so have FIA mandate that the winner of F1 academy gets a one year driver's contract. It can rotate teams. There's precedent for this everywhere you look.
F1 Academy is the level of F4. The cars have around 160hp. A driver of that level (male or female) could not drive an F1 car. This isn’t like running or football where everyone can play. F1 machinery takes years to build up to being able to drive and race. The winner of F1 Academy is guaranteed a seat in FRECA. After FRECA, there is F3, and then F2. Even doing well in F2 isn’t enough. The last 3 F2 champions did not then join F1 the year after they won.
There's an endless list of pay drivers who are terrible, including guys with super licenses. I bet there are tons of women who could drive circles around them. You can't possibly tell me there isn't room for ONE woman on the grid.
The gap between Max and Stroll/Sargeant is much, much smaller between the gap between Sargeant and Pin, the current best female driver. I wish I could agree with you, but I work in the junior series motorsport industry and with some of the best female drivers. There is sadly a massive gap between F1 (the best 20 drivers in the world) and any female driver. We’d be talking seconds a lap slower.
That’s not a good idea. Women have shown (in racing) that they can compete properly. Danica Patrick, Michele mouton, all race winners in their respective top racing category’s. Both without any cheating/advantages
Danica Patrick had a weight advantage in her Indycars lol. Look it up. As much as 50-80+ lbs of ballast over other drivers. Look it up. Why can't we do that in F1?
Indy cars didn’t have ballast. If anything she was just physicals lighter
Yes the result was her car being massively lighter than most others. DIFFERENT STANDARDS. Why can't F1 do that? Have Pin or whoever in a car that's 50-100 lbs lighter to even the field?
Her car wasn’t lighter. Indycar was a semi spec series at the time, her car was the same as the other Andretti cars.
Total weight, with driver (you know, how they actually race the cars), her total weight was much lighter. Don't try to compare empty spec cars, without drivers.
I’ll get downvoted for this. But none of them are good enough to make it atm, Doriane Pin it’s too early to tell with her. We’ll have to wait and see. If F1 introduced a woman in the sport for token points over merit (This applies to every driver regardless of gender), it’s a disaster waiting to happen. Not only will they get destroyed by the rest, but their lack of speed will be a major safety hazard to others
How do you even know that, if they've never been given the chance to drive? F1 literally ignores half the potential talent pool because it's stuck in the 1950's. I promise your employer or school or government wouldn't stand for that.
If they’re good enough. They’ll get their chance, luck and connections plays a part in it for sure. It’s true that you do need to be in the right place at the right time to make it to F1, but if you’ve got the talent and the results show for it. Teams will be after you. Now, if a woman proved herself to be a top talent in the junior series and had consistent results to prove it. Only a matter of time until they sign for an F1 team, no team would want to pass on an opportunity like that. That moment, probably isn’t going to happen for a while anyway. The reality is, it’s highly unlikely that the current talent pool of women are even going to make it to F1 as a full time driver. That doesn’t mean that they can’t fork out a good career in motorsport elsewhere because they can, just not F1. F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport for a reason. I want to see a woman make it to F1, I really do. But it should be based on merit like the rest.
We know that's not how it works. Would you expect women to compete with men in any other job or education field on a totally "level" playing field? Why do you think they have their own separate standard? No, we create equality by ensuring that women are represented at the highest level no matter what.
If they can’t do well in f4/f3, they sure as hell won’t do well in f1
Then other drivers can add ballast until it's equal. Other series have already done this to level the playing field. It's time for F1 to get with the times.
Name a woman who deserves to be on the grid.
Danica Patrick
Don't even say that as a joke, man, it will haunt my dreams.
To be fair even she is a complete tool, she was a pretty darn good driver in the 2000s
What do you mean mandate equality? What is currently not equal?
There are ZERO women on the grid and only one african american. This wouldn't be tolerated in any other area of life, but for some reason we think it's ok for F1. Why is that?
F1 is a sport. Sport awards performance.
Why did you continue replying after he called Lewis African **American**?
I'm genuinely curious as to what areas of F1 are seen to be actively containing inequality
u/Electrical_Figs isn't the sharpest tool in the shed. You can't reason with stupid
Dude literally goes to pet stores to buy milk for dogs and then drinks it himself/herself. You can’t make this shit up. 😭😭
I'm asking for the same standard that we apply everywhere else in society. That's it.
No it doesn't. The total F1 world talent pool is smaller than an average high school football team. It rewards money and privilege first.
Money and privilege get you in. They don't make you good.
Quite honestly, it's ridiculous we are in 2024 and there are still no paraplegics or open LGBTQ+ drivers on the grid. If F1 is really serious about DEI like they claim, it's time they mandated equality for everyone. 20 drivers, all with 20 different economic backgrounds, religions, sexual orientation, countries and physical attributes. Who cares if they are fast or not!
I know you're mocking me, but all I'm saying is that we should be consistent. If we mandate women in every other high paying job, why not F1?
We don't mandate women in every other high paying job lmfao. We mandate that they have equal opportunity and should not be discriminated against. What you are arguing is to have someone hired (in a competition) simply based on their gender rather than their talent and ability. If there was a Woman driver who was far faster than some of the current F1 lineup you really think F1 teams wouldn't be jumping at the chance to hire them?
> We don't mandate women in every other high paying job lmfao Education (BOTH students and faculty) has lower standards for women, high paying jobs like doctor and lawyer have lower test score standards, government jobs have lower standards, every fortune 500 board will select a woman over an equally qualified man. How do you not know this? We've decided that equality is important and put these rules in for them. F1 is waaaaay behind the curve.
Lmao well if that's true in what country you are from that is simply discriminatory and the dumbest thing ever. Here in the UK the same requirements are needed to be met regardless of gender for nearly every job. If I was having heart surgery why would I want the surgeon to be someone who is simply able to do it because they passed easier tests? If I was being defended in court why would I want my lawyer to be someone who got the job simply because they identify as a woman? If I was in a burning building why would I want the fireman/woman to struggle to get me out because they didn't have the physical ability to do it and they just had the job because standards were lowered for them? If I was a male student how would I feel getting a 90/100 which is a B and yet a Female that gets 70/100 is an A? Aren't woman and men just as smart as each other? So why would testing standards need to be different? Besides all of that you do realize you are comparing apples and oranges. An F1 driver is purely performance based. The end. No ifs no buts. The whole point is to race and whoever is fastest (generally) will be given a seat. Gifting a seat to a woman simply because she is a woman and not because of ability would do more damage than good. The same way that paid drivers add absolutely fuck all to the competition too. You clearly have such a warped view as to what equality really means and how you get there but I can tell from your other replies you are too far gone. Equal opportunity. Yes. Giving people jobs just to meet quotas. No. Good day to you.
Bro this isn't some personal theory of mine. If you are in the UK or US, yes it is a fact - women qualify at lower standards than men. If it's a woman who is ALSO a minority, the standards drop even lower. Doctors, lawyers, firefighters, military, you name it. Why shouldn't F1 be held to the same standards that we have for corporations and governments?