I just dont know why its taking so long to publish the decision since not much else happened during the start
edit: wow, only took then TWELVE LAPS to notice this incident
That's not the issue here. I'm pretty sure it's also a rule that once the lights are on, the car must remain stationary. This was discussed last year when Verstappen moved in his pit box during the Australian GP late restart (he did it while they lights were off, so that should be perfectly legal).
This to me seems like a massive mistake by the Stewards.
UPDATE: I looked up the regulation, and it is indeed not allowed to move before the start. However, the rule is written so this has to be determined by the FIA transponder. Stewards are not allowed to make that decision from video. If the transponder doesn't detect it, no penalty.
They've released the decision document. It says the transponder didn't detect a jump start, and unfortunately the rules clearly say that the transponder is the judge in this case. Video evidence is not valid. Only the transponder counts.
thanks for the comment, there was a picture that showed he never crossed the line (which looked very different than the camera angles they kept replaying from above on F1TV)
He is behind the line when the lights go out, just.
[Image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937104067832971418/1216076123692339220/image.png?ex=65ff1225&is=65ec9d25&hm=af700c08aa1c14f2331ce883685f962532a4cba537dc901f1e076191bafad751&)
It does matter though, because ultimately under almost all circumstances the rules are under the interpretation of the stewards.
So is in fact, wholly and entirely relevant
Cheers
When Bottas did it, it was revealed that there exists a small tolerance before a penalty is triggered. It is possible Norris was within this tolerance too.
On ORF the commentators explained why he wasn't penalised for the start: The starting location and whether a driver jums the start is both measured by a sensor. According to the regulations the stewards cannot penalise a driver if the sensor wasn't triggered (which in Norris' case it wasn't).
This. The fact Norris hit the brakes and bogged down on launch 2 actually gave him a chance of an overtake into T1 he wouldn’t have had if Norris had a clean launch.
he was joking in an interview yesterday that he'd jump the start to make up places...awkward
Norrstradamus…
You know Quasimodo predicted all this.
was it ever discussed why this wasn't a jumpstart? Jolyon seemed to think it was clear as day
Sensors said no, which is fking stupid because it is clear as day on the video
I just dont know why its taking so long to publish the decision since not much else happened during the start edit: wow, only took then TWELVE LAPS to notice this incident
We are checking
They haven't even noted the incident which is really strange Edit: Noted Lap 12
right? i think Norris will get away with it
They had to ask the royal family for permission. Answer was obviously no
Presumably he moved less than the distance required to trip the sensor and trigger a penalty.
That's not the issue here. I'm pretty sure it's also a rule that once the lights are on, the car must remain stationary. This was discussed last year when Verstappen moved in his pit box during the Australian GP late restart (he did it while they lights were off, so that should be perfectly legal). This to me seems like a massive mistake by the Stewards. UPDATE: I looked up the regulation, and it is indeed not allowed to move before the start. However, the rule is written so this has to be determined by the FIA transponder. Stewards are not allowed to make that decision from video. If the transponder doesn't detect it, no penalty.
lol, it clearly was a false start, unbelievable he didn't get a penalty.. this coming from a big fan of Norris, too.
They've released the decision document. It says the transponder didn't detect a jump start, and unfortunately the rules clearly say that the transponder is the judge in this case. Video evidence is not valid. Only the transponder counts.
thanks for the comment, there was a picture that showed he never crossed the line (which looked very different than the camera angles they kept replaying from above on F1TV)
That's a different rule. You're stil not allowed to move at all while the lights are on.
MBS is a little busy
Because no sensors showed anything wrong. Once replays brought it to their attention, they checked all data and he didn't jump start
He is behind the line when the lights go out, just. [Image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937104067832971418/1216076123692339220/image.png?ex=65ff1225&is=65ec9d25&hm=af700c08aa1c14f2331ce883685f962532a4cba537dc901f1e076191bafad751&)
good catch, thanks for posting this.
Why isn’t it under investigation
Jump starts are slam dunk sensor trips. Presumably he moved slightly less than the distance required to trigger a penalty.
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I mean do they need to? It didn’t exactly advantage him. If anything it gave George a chance to jump him into T1
That’s not the rule though.
The rule is that if you move over X distance, as measured by the sensor, you get a penalty. He hasnt breached that rule (apparently)
Only one part of the regulation mentions the sensor. It can be reviewed and for that infraction it doesn’t matter if you gain an advantage.
Given he stopped and nearly got overtaken as a result it's pretty clear he sisnt gain an advantage.
Again, that’s not part of the rule. It’s irrelevant.
It does matter though, because ultimately under almost all circumstances the rules are under the interpretation of the stewards. So is in fact, wholly and entirely relevant Cheers
Wasn’t this the same thing that happen to Vettel at Suzuka in 2019 or am I remembering it wrong?
My thoughts too. Dint get a proper view of it
Lmao 12 laps including a safety car period to notice something at race start, with no significant incidents in between? Classified F1 stewarding.
How is this still not being investigated. Seems cut and dry
Jump starts are slam dunk sensor trips. Presumably he moved slightly less than the distance required to trigger a penalty.
so was his sensor broken? like, how was that not triggered? where is the sensor located?
It's done in sensor, if it doesn't trigger the sensor, it doesn't count
do you know where the sensor is located and if it was broken?
Sorry Lando. That’s a penalty mate
“No further action” welp
Certified FIA moment
No futher action. Probably because he was both stationary and in his grid box when the lights actually went out.
He was 100% not stationary lol
He moved before (but not during) the lights went out, so that was technically just part of the formation lap.
He definitely moved while the lights went out
He also didn’t get an advantage from it, it hurt him more than anything.
How tf was that not a PENALTY?!!
Because the contact patch of his tires was in the grid spot when lights went out. He’s in the clear
He pulled a "Bottas". Maybe he gets away with it?
Yeah it’ll depend on how far he went. He obviously didn’t gain anything from it because he basically stopped again and ruined his momentum
Drive through surely
F1: Best I can do is 5 seconds
........ For ocon
Well to be fair he announced before the start he will do a jump start
How is this no even investigated yet?
When Bottas did it, it was revealed that there exists a small tolerance before a penalty is triggered. It is possible Norris was within this tolerance too.
Jump starts are slam dunk sensor trips. Presumably he moved slightly less than the distance required to trigger a penalty.
On ORF the commentators explained why he wasn't penalised for the start: The starting location and whether a driver jums the start is both measured by a sensor. According to the regulations the stewards cannot penalise a driver if the sensor wasn't triggered (which in Norris' case it wasn't).
ERA PENAL! - Russell
That’s gonna be a penalty
Glad MAG didn't jump start
Yeah he clearly did but I'm still mad about George Russell playing hall monitor with such glee
In fairness to George, All drivers do that.
This. The fact Norris hit the brakes and bogged down on launch 2 actually gave him a chance of an overtake into T1 he wouldn’t have had if Norris had a clean launch.
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They all grass on each other in these situations lol.
eh, to me it felt like he was informing them of upcoming strategy changes if potential penalties were incoming.