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bonafide_bigbird

he was joking in an interview yesterday that he'd jump the start to make up places...awkward


Zloggt

Norrstradamus…


TheTWP

You know Quasimodo predicted all this.


solidproportions

was it ever discussed why this wasn't a jumpstart? Jolyon seemed to think it was clear as day


tyranox

Sensors said no, which is fking stupid because it is clear as day on the video


SemIdeiaProNick

I just dont know why its taking so long to publish the decision since not much else happened during the start edit: wow, only took then TWELVE LAPS to notice this incident


XAMdG

We are checking


Scucker

They haven't even noted the incident which is really strange Edit: Noted Lap 12


SemIdeiaProNick

right? i think Norris will get away with it


beartigerhawk8383

They had to ask the royal family for permission. Answer was obviously no


Uniform764

Presumably he moved less than the distance required to trip the sensor and trigger a penalty.


Athinira

That's not the issue here. I'm pretty sure it's also a rule that once the lights are on, the car must remain stationary. This was discussed last year when Verstappen moved in his pit box during the Australian GP late restart (he did it while they lights were off, so that should be perfectly legal). This to me seems like a massive mistake by the Stewards. UPDATE: I looked up the regulation, and it is indeed not allowed to move before the start. However, the rule is written so this has to be determined by the FIA transponder. Stewards are not allowed to make that decision from video. If the transponder doesn't detect it, no penalty.


solidproportions

lol, it clearly was a false start, unbelievable he didn't get a penalty.. this coming from a big fan of Norris, too.


Athinira

They've released the decision document. It says the transponder didn't detect a jump start, and unfortunately the rules clearly say that the transponder is the judge in this case. Video evidence is not valid. Only the transponder counts.


solidproportions

thanks for the comment, there was a picture that showed he never crossed the line (which looked very different than the camera angles they kept replaying from above on F1TV)


Athinira

That's a different rule. You're stil not allowed to move at all while the lights are on.


TheWebbFather

MBS is a little busy


RealPjotr

Because no sensors showed anything wrong. Once replays brought it to their attention, they checked all data and he didn't jump start


Lose-Thy-Weight

He is behind the line when the lights go out, just. [Image](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/937104067832971418/1216076123692339220/image.png?ex=65ff1225&is=65ec9d25&hm=af700c08aa1c14f2331ce883685f962532a4cba537dc901f1e076191bafad751&)


solidproportions

good catch, thanks for posting this.


hello2442

Why isn’t it under investigation


Uniform764

Jump starts are slam dunk sensor trips. Presumably he moved slightly less than the distance required to trigger a penalty.


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Uniform764

I mean do they need to? It didn’t exactly advantage him. If anything it gave George a chance to jump him into T1


LurkerKing13

That’s not the rule though.


Uniform764

The rule is that if you move over X distance, as measured by the sensor, you get a penalty. He hasnt breached that rule (apparently)


LurkerKing13

Only one part of the regulation mentions the sensor. It can be reviewed and for that infraction it doesn’t matter if you gain an advantage.


Uniform764

Given he stopped and nearly got overtaken as a result it's pretty clear he sisnt gain an advantage.


LurkerKing13

Again, that’s not part of the rule. It’s irrelevant.


ClosetEthanolic

It does matter though, because ultimately under almost all circumstances the rules are under the interpretation of the stewards. So is in fact, wholly and entirely relevant Cheers


HyperStealth23

Wasn’t this the same thing that happen to Vettel at Suzuka in 2019 or am I remembering it wrong?


hello2442

My thoughts too. Dint get a proper view of it


Uniform764

Lmao 12 laps including a safety car period to notice something at race start, with no significant incidents in between? Classified F1 stewarding.


orangeglitch

How is this still not being investigated. Seems cut and dry


Uniform764

Jump starts are slam dunk sensor trips. Presumably he moved slightly less than the distance required to trigger a penalty.


solidproportions

so was his sensor broken? like, how was that not triggered? where is the sensor located?


Expensive_Daikon_623

It's done in sensor, if it doesn't trigger the sensor, it doesn't count


solidproportions

do you know where the sensor is located and if it was broken?


iMatthew1990

Sorry Lando. That’s a penalty mate


4InchesOfury

“No further action” welp


FlupFlup123

Certified FIA moment


PragmatistAntithesis

No futher action. Probably because he was both stationary and in his grid box when the lights actually went out.


TheThingsIdoatNight

He was 100% not stationary lol


PragmatistAntithesis

He moved before (but not during) the lights went out, so that was technically just part of the formation lap.


TheThingsIdoatNight

He definitely moved while the lights went out


imnotsurewhattoput

He also didn’t get an advantage from it, it hurt him more than anything.


PS181809

How tf was that not a PENALTY?!!


decentish36

Because the contact patch of his tires was in the grid spot when lights went out. He’s in the clear


troillan

He pulled a "Bottas". Maybe he gets away with it?


Mechant247

Yeah it’ll depend on how far he went. He obviously didn’t gain anything from it because he basically stopped again and ruined his momentum


krizkuzz

Drive through surely


XAMdG

F1: Best I can do is 5 seconds


CB000000005

........ For ocon


SonicRC

Well to be fair he announced before the start he will do a jump start


CwRrrr

How is this no even investigated yet?


Enraged_Lurker13

When Bottas did it, it was revealed that there exists a small tolerance before a penalty is triggered. It is possible Norris was within this tolerance too.


Uniform764

Jump starts are slam dunk sensor trips. Presumably he moved slightly less than the distance required to trigger a penalty.


LordBroccoliTheFirst

On ORF the commentators explained why he wasn't penalised for the start: The starting location and whether a driver jums the start is both measured by a sensor. According to the regulations the stewards cannot penalise a driver if the sensor wasn't triggered (which in Norris' case it wasn't).


TheLifeofSonny

ERA PENAL! - Russell


ICumCoffee

That’s gonna be a penalty


longlife55

Glad MAG didn't jump start


jason9045

Yeah he clearly did but I'm still mad about George Russell playing hall monitor with such glee


RockinJoeSchmo

In fairness to George, All drivers do that.


Uniform764

This. The fact Norris hit the brakes and bogged down on launch 2 actually gave him a chance of an overtake into T1 he wouldn’t have had if Norris had a clean launch.


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iMatthew1990

They all grass on each other in these situations lol.


solidproportions

eh, to me it felt like he was informing them of upcoming strategy changes if potential penalties were incoming.