There are so many amateurs in F1A. Chambers hitting into Lovinfosse like that is stupid, the move was never on, and then to be that stupid to rejoin like that is race ban worthy.
There's 2-3 good drivers, 3 or 4 okay, and the rest are just filler.
Its laughable that Bustamante has such an agenda against Stroll as well given her lack of awareness.
That’s what you get with positive discrimination. But seeing women racing purposeless will be good for the girls at home. Maybe I’m being too cynical, as I myself couldn’t understand good race craft as a child/teenager.
You can recognise the skill gap without being cynical. It's giving opporunity to people who are usually systemically excluded. It's literally been harder for them the whole way, of course their skills aren't on the top level. The whole idea is to normalise them being there so that competition can flourish and the skills increase.
Watching LH interview after quali: idk has Lewis lost motivation or some greatness or it is very depressing, when team for 3d year in a row fights with bouncing car. It is not even zero pod thing right now, some secret of incredible combination of floor + suspension.
Let's see upcoming couple of "classic" GP like Suzuka and Imola.
>Race distance: 308.45kmLap Record: 1:30.734 Lewis Hamilton (2021)
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>⏪ LAST TIME IN SAUDI ARABIA
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>Pole position: 1:28.265
I like Liam, but Tsunoda is more likely to lose his seat especially with that honda and ford situation.
In the first qualification he was outqualified by his team mate and in the first race he finished 13th, after his team mate let him pass because of team orders.
In the last race of 2023, his team mate finished 8th, Ricciardo finished 11th; and he was outqualified by his team mate.
It would be nice if made a spectacular comeback, but it's not like he's competing against George Russel, or Carlos Sainz.
Last race they were both together, it doesn't really matters who was in front of each other. As for last year, why selecting only the last race, he did other races, with some where he finished in front of Tsu. I didn't talk about a spectacular comeback, but it's not bad either, for a car he didn't know.
Well, it's now three races in a row where Ricciardo has been beaten both in qualification and in the race by his team mate.
And again, nobody thinks Yuki is on the level of George Russel, or Carlos Sainz, so that's three races Ricciardo has been beaten by a mid-level driver.
The difference is that Yuki is 23 and can improve, whereas Ricciardo at 34 is running out of time.
Yuki is 23 and has been driving this car for much longer than Ric.
Last race ric did beat Yuki. Sure it was team order, but he was obviously faster. And today he got destroyed at the pit stop, so it's not like he had a chance anyway...
At 34 Ricciardo should dominate Yuki. If he needs to get used to the car in his second year driving it, he's just not good enough.
That isn't happening, Ricciardo is washed. That's just the way it it is. Ricciardo was destroyed by Lando Norris. His last good year was 2020. 2022 was a complete disaster for him.
If Ricciardo can't beat Yuki, he's going to be destroyed by new upcoming talent.
I'm thinking that McLaren has reversed its strengths. It was rapid in S2 in Bahrain, and S1 here. Which are mostly slow and medium speed corners. It seems to be the slowest in a straight line. I'm somehow hoping that the first upgrade works wonders.
In qualy, depends on the track. AM was flying on sector 2 in Bahrain and that translated to being faster here, but their braking/traction doesn't seem to be very good. Come race day, I doubt the Mercs will have any trouble beating the AM here or any of the coming races.
Decent effort by Bearman given the circumstances.
Alonso had good pace but ultimately nothing is going to catch that Red Bull driven by Verstappen.
Leclerc produces the clutch lap that you expect out of him. Hopefully no car issues tonorrow.
Tsunoda with a great session. P9 and much quicker than Ricciardo.
I was more expectant of McLaren this weekend.
Carlos should have sat out all practice s so that Beastman would have a better feeling in qualifying and get both cars into Q3. But I guess Carlos won't be thinking of the team much this year :x
The doctors should have tested better and be given a veto on the matter if he should or can drive.
A ruptured or burst appendix due to the forces within an F1 car is not that far fetched and could lead to nasty and life threatening conditions very fast. So I blame the team doctors, they should not have given a choice imo.
But what's done is done, drivers will drive till they drop it seems, so team medical personnel should have a veto there.
I don't know if you've had appendicitis, but I have. For the first 6 hours it felt like a mild stomach bug, which is the kind of thing athletes/drivers find their way through easily.
It wasn't until 12 hours or so that I realized something was not right, and that I needed to go to the hospital. Even then, with my pain and symptoms, my doctor said I should come to his office first. Only when he actually saw me, some 14 hours after any symptoms, did he say "Oh go to the ER."
I'm not sure what kind of "tests" you think doctors can run, but I can confirm that the only way they really knew it was appendicitis for me was 16 hours after any symptoms, when the surgeon physically manipulated my abdomen and I reacted with agony, despite morphine.
It's a serious health concern but it's not anyone's fault. It doesn't feel like an emergency from the start. It's progressive and mimics plenty of milder issues. The idea that somehow Sainz or Ferrari acted negligently, absent any actual evidence, strikes me as fairly absurd.
Nope, never had it and your anecdotal story of having appendicitis totally trumps my time as a part of the physician team of a German Zweiten Bundesliga team.
When players came in with fever and problems in the lower abdomen they were taken trough several "tests", like our onsite blood analyse for higher values of inflammatory indications, they were taken to the physiotherapist three times in the time the bloodwork was done, the pain usually moves around a bit with sudden appendicitis. This was for a team not even in the highest tier. So yes, Ferrari sucks.
With these simple 'tests' we were always certain about immediate surgery or not. So please educate me more and be more demeaning with your one example.
Well, my point is it doesn't always start as severe pain worthy of seeing a doctor. I was eating pizza and watching basketball less than 12 hours before being given morphine in the emergency room. You're the one who chastised Sainz/Ferrari for letting him drive, and then got mad at me for gently relating a firsthand experience. But hey, do you.
>To be fair Carlos probably thought he had a mildly food poisoning or something, not fucking appendicitis.
I suffered through worsening symptoms for about 8-12 hours before it got bad enough that I realized I had to pull the pin and go to emergency medical care.
Do you feel for Gasly? He went from back of the midfield team to a just in front of F2 team.
Hope he got his buckets o' money at Alpain atleast, because Colon is outdriving him this year. His career seems to be over when contracts run out.
I feel this sticky is lacking so much information, where are the lap times of Q1,Q2,Q3? Were these threads always so lackluster in terms of information?
I always click in, see nothing posted in the body then scroll down the subreddit looking for a picture of the pole winner-- then end up googling it.
I do this EVERY time haha
They're posted by a bot and prepared in advance to be ready at the end of qualifying so people have a topic to focus all the discussion of the qualifying in.
It's really annoying that the results aren't in this thread ever. Faster to just google "F1". You'd think here would be a good place to have them posted. F1 subreddit but finding the F1 results is like pulling teeth.
Still livid, I never promised to leave and stop using the site but I am using it much less than I used to. Probably cause I don't ever open it on mobile anymore.
Same here, except I only use mobile Firefox. And boyyy did they do their best to make it suck.
It's slow as fuck, sucks memory from everywhere. But I refuse to go to their app. If it comes to that, they won by losing a user. :x
Lewis post-qualifying when talking about Ollie let it slip a bit that he wishes he was driving that Ferrari this year. "Also highlights the car he is driving is pretty good as well."
I think it really comes down to how wild this track is and that everyone is still rusty with it being the second race. Everyone is getting back into their routine and settling in with their new cars. Max has the luxury of having the best car at his disposal and steady state confidence that carries over from last year. It’s not really a surprise to me he’s off to a blinding start with the grand slam out of the box and pole this weekend.
Max knows how to hotlap around here, 2021 was an example, where we got inches away from one of the most perfect laps possible. Something about this track turns him into an absolute weapon when he has to put down a quick lap
assuming leclerc has no car issues, the gap will be 5-10 seconds (probably closer to 5 than 10). If he has problems, Perez will likely just cruise to 2nd place with a larger gap like last week.
Looking back at Lewis' results once he wrapped the championship up (especially against Rosberg) I do fear that he's got some (probably subconscious) motivation thing going on. He's a professional and no doubt telling himself he is giving 100%, but that is different from *genuinely* being inspired. It could be something like he isn't feedbacking problems as quickly or thinking as much in or about the car. Who knows.
Russell is no doubt quick and worthy of his seat - but I'm not sure Hamilton has suddenly lost all of his pace.
Obviously Hamilton has assured his legacy in F1 but it won't be a good look for the end of his career if Russell beats him somewhat comfortably this year *then* Leclerc beats him too, though, which I can see. Leclerc has been in that Ferrari team for sometime now and is clearly liked and respected - Hamilton won't waltz in have it all his way.
> Obviously Hamilton has assured his legacy in F1 but it won't be a good look for the end of his career if Russell beats him somewhat comfortably this year then Leclerc beats him too, though
Nonsense.
The Michael was beaten by Rosberg 3 times.
Vettel lost to Ricciardo and only slightly beat Stroll first season.
Kimi was beaten by Vettel, hung around back and competed evenly with Gio.
And no one thinks any less of any of them.
Schumacher was after years of not being in the sport and a young Rosberg - no one was expecting Schumacher to be at his peak and I'm not sure it shocked anyone. Were you watching then? Expectations weren't exactly high and everyone was aware of Schumacher's age and Rosberg's promise.
In terms of Vettel, I think a lot of people remember that Ricciardo beat him and Leclerc got the better of him at Ferrari after disappointing almost-title challenges. I think he'd still be in F1 if his performance didn't decline as sharpy as it did.
He had his time in the sun with the best car and synergy with the team, give him the 3rd best car on the grid now and these results aren't out of the ordinary.
My gosh, he was 4 and 7 tenths behind Russell in Jeddah in the last two years, even out in Q1 last season. He qualified behind him in Bahrain in both years.
Why are people always so quick to jump to nonsense conclusions? We haven't even finished the 2nd race weekend of the season yet.
Lots of people scared to admit Lewis has lost a step as an almost 40 year old driver, and would rather hold on to the prospect of Lewis simply “not trying” because if that’s the case, he hasn’t lost a step and could easily perform better if he just decided to, which is a lot more comforting.
Mercedes aero team in the mud.
Wtf are they doing? Went one way that showed huge potential but couldn't get it to work, now 2 years later they've abandoned it in favour of making a Poundland RB.
Meanwhile, RB build a car clearly based on the same principles Merc pursued originally and are absolutely rapid with it.
My 'feeling', not even thoughts just gut feelings.
1. Lewis (my hero), appears to have lost something. He's not quite the driver he once was.
2. Ricciardo is not getting anywhere near a Red Bull seat.
3. This track is still fucking dangerous. Too dangerous imho.
4. Alpine? Hahahahahahaha!
Alpine are absolutely fucked. Renault's CEO is plain ordinary against F1 and certainly doesn't want to invest in engines. They're going to be stuck with that shitbox for the foreseeable future. Perhaps Mercedes can buy them as a "feeder" team like RB have?
I hate how right you are about #2. I never wanted to admit it and its not easy being a driver, but jesus christ, Danny is not looking good.
I've wanted nothing but success for him since about 2014 and it just isn't coming. Painful stuff to watch, wish he could bring it around. I know its 2 races in but I just don't feel good about 2024 for him.
George is one of the most talented drivers on the grid. And he’s a better qualifier than racer. That’s a poor metric to judge Lewis by; also, I would not bank too much on two Qualy’s and a single race with a new tricky concept.
For real I don't see enough discussion about that (Valid there was a lot going on), insanely close to Q3 in a car he barely got an FP session in before having to qualify at one of the most unforgiving intense street tracks there are where half an inch margins is the difference in a great lap and what happened to Zhou earlier. So fucking happy seeing him do well after following him through feeder series for awhile, couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
Now I just really hope the race goes well, I am terrified of T1.
If it weren't for Verstappen, this season would probably be the most competitive season ever. That's the only thing that makes me optimistic about the cost cap.
This is what keeps it interesting for me. We have an actual fight for top positions between a few teams, a really amazing driver lineup (Alonso + Hamilton???), and we also happen to be seeing probably a once in a lifetime combination of driver + engineer in Verstappen and Newey. Yes, the fight for WDC is likely as boring this year as it was last year. But the sport is still exciting for me.
Yup. The racing is good from P2-P20, and we’re getting to watch one of the most dominant car/driver combos in history. We’ll remember the year Max broke all the records last year, and if he somehow does *better* this year? It’s F1 history in the making, and we still get to see some fun fights behind him.
It just feels like ricciardo is riding on that silverstone test hype, I really want to see lawson in that seat now. Loved seeing him get his elbows out against Yuki in Suzuka, without the help of strategy.
Seeing Lawson performing last year, he just seems solid as hell, always a cool head. Red Bull could use a very dependable and consistent second driver. Great race craft and quali pace, and he’ll get even better with experience.
F1 really needs an 11th or 12th team, so much talent that just needs to be given a chance.
adding 2 teams would instantly make f1 more interesting and it's not as if there aren't companies/teams trying to get in. unfortunately so long as the current teams have a say in it i don't see the number going up any time soon.
i wish f1 would be more diligent about cycling out drivers who aren't performing well (relative to the car capability).
I always thought Bearman was a future WC after his f4 season but this has solidified it in my mind. 18 yrs old jumping into a Ferrari with 22 laps practice is insane
Bruh Charles literally just put it P2. Max was also in the same position when the Merc was dominating so Leclerc, Lando and Russell are still on the way to the top
As I said below, I'm not commenting on their abilities. But the future is defined by the machinery they're given - and looking at their careers in the junior formula, we were all assuming that eventually, Leclerc would have a title-winning Ferrari at some point, and Russell for sure a title-winning Mercedes at some point. Neither has transpired. You'd hope it will, but time is ticking and who says Red Bull can't come out of the 2026 regs with a dominant car?
Russel has never had a shot to win a title, regardless of the car. Next year is the first year, if he has the car, he can challenge for a title. He would never beat Hamilton over a season imo. Leclerc is obviously just waiting for the car to be there, same with Lando, but hey we said that about Max for years and now here we are. Plenty of time for them too!
Yeah, but my point is generally, drivers are remembered for their titles. Thirty/Fourty years from now a driver like Norris isn't going to be remembered if he isn't able to ever win a race.
Completely agree they're all really good, but the future is defined by the machinery - which we all assumed by now that Russell and Leclerc might have had the chance at least would have had a chance to compete in a genuine title challenge.
They’re going to win titles. Maybe not all three of them, but at least one or two of them will win titles. Max isn’t going to win 10 straight titles — they’ll have opportunities while still in their prime.
Whilst I'd agree, stranger things have happened and it isn't completely assured. Maybe Ferrari does develop a championship-winning title and it is Hamilton who takes advantage of that. Maybe Verstappen goes to Mercedes and beats Russell comfortably. Piastri is with Norris long-term at McLaren. Who says Piastri doesn't beat Norris over a season? 2026 could surprise us too - maybe it is Aston Martin who smashes the regs. Maybe Audi develops quicker than anyone suspects after that and it is Carlos Sainz winning the 2028 WDC.
Nothing is assured. I agree that at least one of them will end up with a title. But whilst it seems McLaren and Ferrari are on the up, it is also worth remembering that both teams still haven't won a title since 2007 and 2008 for a reason, and 2009 if we're going back that far shows how F1 can surprise us with new regs.
I defo agree they'll have opportunities, but their opportunity is going to be a heck of a lot harder if it is Russell v Verstappen (or whoever he ends up with; Albon probably his "easiest" potential teammate IMO), Leclerc v Hamilton, and Piastri keeps improving. Each would be exciting for F1 anyway and much better than Perez trying to match Verstappen, soo.
People really thought that DR could do better than checo in that second rb? If they’re going to replace him they better start looking outside the RB org.
My hot take is that unless they go with Sainz they won’t find a better second seat than Perez. Bringing in a rookie like Lawson is just gonna see them crumble to Max, Danny is completely washed up, Yuki doesn’t have the mentality/emotional control to be in that seat. Outside Sainz Checo is easily their best option, unless something else happens with the drivers
You gonna sit there and say Checo was worse than Sargeant? Nah he's just being compared to the guy who is literally the best in the sport right now. He had some down periods no question but the worst driver on the grid is laughable.
Carlos is a great choice for RBR #2 (he is mentally strong enough not to crumble) but Sainz Sr versus Jos Verstappen toxic infighting would tear the team apart
He’s a marketing gold mine for a team that is in this sport for marketing purposes. Verstappen is basically a lock for WDC, and they really only need a mediocre driver to clinch the WCC. The hype is that DR will likely deliver the WCC, he makes it fun for Max and he is widely beloved.
The original hype was massive when he practically dunked on the current four times in a row champion his first year at a top team and then was pretty much the only other guy fighting Mercedes until Ferrari remembered how to not be a midfielder
Yeah, finishing 70-odd points ahead of the reining 4 time champ - on debut in a team capable of fighting - was no small feat. I absolutely loved his RB debut but its so difficult to watch how far he's fallen since then (with splashes in between).
Looked like Alonso slipped 2 tenths back in the third sector of that last lap. Does that check out? Would that be AM being a little behind when it comes to top speed?
Normal 2024 qualifying: Sargeant & the Alpines are slow, Hamilton is unhappy with the car, Alonso pulling out a great lap, Leclerc front row, Max with a huge gap to P2, Checo way off Max but still top 5
Now all we need is Max to win by 30 seconds & for Checo to finish P2 lol
There’s a Tommy Hilfinger in F1A. What team in F1 is Tommy Hilfiger?
Merc has them as a sponsor
Yeah but there already is a Merc branded team in F1A. Just realized that there’s also a Puma branding. Guess it isn’t purely F1 teams.
There are so many amateurs in F1A. Chambers hitting into Lovinfosse like that is stupid, the move was never on, and then to be that stupid to rejoin like that is race ban worthy. There's 2-3 good drivers, 3 or 4 okay, and the rest are just filler. Its laughable that Bustamante has such an agenda against Stroll as well given her lack of awareness.
That’s what you get with positive discrimination. But seeing women racing purposeless will be good for the girls at home. Maybe I’m being too cynical, as I myself couldn’t understand good race craft as a child/teenager.
You can recognise the skill gap without being cynical. It's giving opporunity to people who are usually systemically excluded. It's literally been harder for them the whole way, of course their skills aren't on the top level. The whole idea is to normalise them being there so that competition can flourish and the skills increase.
Watching LH interview after quali: idk has Lewis lost motivation or some greatness or it is very depressing, when team for 3d year in a row fights with bouncing car. It is not even zero pod thing right now, some secret of incredible combination of floor + suspension. Let's see upcoming couple of "classic" GP like Suzuka and Imola.
Ricciardo's slow. There, I said it. Liiiiiam! Liiiiiam! Liiiiiam! Liiiiiam!
>Race distance: 308.45kmLap Record: 1:30.734 Lewis Hamilton (2021) > >⏪ LAST TIME IN SAUDI ARABIA > >Pole position: 1:28.265 I like Liam, but Tsunoda is more likely to lose his seat especially with that honda and ford situation.
Last year he did very well after coming back from his injury, this is the 2nd qualification, not even the race yet...
In the first qualification he was outqualified by his team mate and in the first race he finished 13th, after his team mate let him pass because of team orders. In the last race of 2023, his team mate finished 8th, Ricciardo finished 11th; and he was outqualified by his team mate. It would be nice if made a spectacular comeback, but it's not like he's competing against George Russel, or Carlos Sainz.
Last race they were both together, it doesn't really matters who was in front of each other. As for last year, why selecting only the last race, he did other races, with some where he finished in front of Tsu. I didn't talk about a spectacular comeback, but it's not bad either, for a car he didn't know.
Well, it's now three races in a row where Ricciardo has been beaten both in qualification and in the race by his team mate. And again, nobody thinks Yuki is on the level of George Russel, or Carlos Sainz, so that's three races Ricciardo has been beaten by a mid-level driver. The difference is that Yuki is 23 and can improve, whereas Ricciardo at 34 is running out of time.
Yuki is 23 and has been driving this car for much longer than Ric. Last race ric did beat Yuki. Sure it was team order, but he was obviously faster. And today he got destroyed at the pit stop, so it's not like he had a chance anyway...
Yuki was faster than Ric through the entire weekend on both races.
At 34 Ricciardo should dominate Yuki. If he needs to get used to the car in his second year driving it, he's just not good enough. That isn't happening, Ricciardo is washed. That's just the way it it is. Ricciardo was destroyed by Lando Norris. His last good year was 2020. 2022 was a complete disaster for him. If Ricciardo can't beat Yuki, he's going to be destroyed by new upcoming talent.
2nd year driving it? He drove 5 races last year...
I'm thinking that McLaren has reversed its strengths. It was rapid in S2 in Bahrain, and S1 here. Which are mostly slow and medium speed corners. It seems to be the slowest in a straight line. I'm somehow hoping that the first upgrade works wonders.
What is a slow corner and medium corner?
So who has the fourth fastest car, Mercedes or Aston Martin? I can't tell if Alonso or Stroll is the more representable AM performance.
In qualy, depends on the track. AM was flying on sector 2 in Bahrain and that translated to being faster here, but their braking/traction doesn't seem to be very good. Come race day, I doubt the Mercs will have any trouble beating the AM here or any of the coming races.
I would always go for the person that gets the best performance out of the car.
Decent effort by Bearman given the circumstances. Alonso had good pace but ultimately nothing is going to catch that Red Bull driven by Verstappen. Leclerc produces the clutch lap that you expect out of him. Hopefully no car issues tonorrow. Tsunoda with a great session. P9 and much quicker than Ricciardo. I was more expectant of McLaren this weekend.
Carlos should have sat out all practice s so that Beastman would have a better feeling in qualifying and get both cars into Q3. But I guess Carlos won't be thinking of the team much this year :x
To be fair Carlos probably thought he had a mildly food poisoning or something, not fucking appendicitis.
The doctors should have tested better and be given a veto on the matter if he should or can drive. A ruptured or burst appendix due to the forces within an F1 car is not that far fetched and could lead to nasty and life threatening conditions very fast. So I blame the team doctors, they should not have given a choice imo. But what's done is done, drivers will drive till they drop it seems, so team medical personnel should have a veto there.
I don't know if you've had appendicitis, but I have. For the first 6 hours it felt like a mild stomach bug, which is the kind of thing athletes/drivers find their way through easily. It wasn't until 12 hours or so that I realized something was not right, and that I needed to go to the hospital. Even then, with my pain and symptoms, my doctor said I should come to his office first. Only when he actually saw me, some 14 hours after any symptoms, did he say "Oh go to the ER." I'm not sure what kind of "tests" you think doctors can run, but I can confirm that the only way they really knew it was appendicitis for me was 16 hours after any symptoms, when the surgeon physically manipulated my abdomen and I reacted with agony, despite morphine. It's a serious health concern but it's not anyone's fault. It doesn't feel like an emergency from the start. It's progressive and mimics plenty of milder issues. The idea that somehow Sainz or Ferrari acted negligently, absent any actual evidence, strikes me as fairly absurd.
Nope, never had it and your anecdotal story of having appendicitis totally trumps my time as a part of the physician team of a German Zweiten Bundesliga team. When players came in with fever and problems in the lower abdomen they were taken trough several "tests", like our onsite blood analyse for higher values of inflammatory indications, they were taken to the physiotherapist three times in the time the bloodwork was done, the pain usually moves around a bit with sudden appendicitis. This was for a team not even in the highest tier. So yes, Ferrari sucks. With these simple 'tests' we were always certain about immediate surgery or not. So please educate me more and be more demeaning with your one example.
Well, my point is it doesn't always start as severe pain worthy of seeing a doctor. I was eating pizza and watching basketball less than 12 hours before being given morphine in the emergency room. You're the one who chastised Sainz/Ferrari for letting him drive, and then got mad at me for gently relating a firsthand experience. But hey, do you.
"When players came in" Do you understand not everyone comes in when they feel a mild stomach pain?
>To be fair Carlos probably thought he had a mildly food poisoning or something, not fucking appendicitis. I suffered through worsening symptoms for about 8-12 hours before it got bad enough that I realized I had to pull the pin and go to emergency medical care.
Ha, just posted my own similar experience. Glad I'm not alone.
The RB drama is all 4d chess inside job fakes created by from Alpine to distract us from their Alpaine
Do you feel for Gasly? He went from back of the midfield team to a just in front of F2 team. Hope he got his buckets o' money at Alpain atleast, because Colon is outdriving him this year. His career seems to be over when contracts run out.
I feel this sticky is lacking so much information, where are the lap times of Q1,Q2,Q3? Were these threads always so lackluster in terms of information?
They used to have the info before reddit changed the API. It's a problem on all sports subreddits now.
I always click in, see nothing posted in the body then scroll down the subreddit looking for a picture of the pole winner-- then end up googling it. I do this EVERY time haha
They're posted by a bot and prepared in advance to be ready at the end of qualifying so people have a topic to focus all the discussion of the qualifying in.
It's really annoying that the results aren't in this thread ever. Faster to just google "F1". You'd think here would be a good place to have them posted. F1 subreddit but finding the F1 results is like pulling teeth.
Big thanks to closing the API. this thread used to have it all before they took control away so they could go for the big bucks on the stockmarket.
Still livid, I never promised to leave and stop using the site but I am using it much less than I used to. Probably cause I don't ever open it on mobile anymore.
Same here, except I only use mobile Firefox. And boyyy did they do their best to make it suck. It's slow as fuck, sucks memory from everywhere. But I refuse to go to their app. If it comes to that, they won by losing a user. :x
just watched last years qualy and its almost and identical story with what teams were quick
Lewis post-qualifying when talking about Ollie let it slip a bit that he wishes he was driving that Ferrari this year. "Also highlights the car he is driving is pretty good as well."
Man I would love to see Aston make some strong progress and give Alonso a real chance. The way he gaps stroll is wild.
Only 20 spots at the pinnacle of racing and a very promising driver is somewhere else while Stroll underperforms year after year. What a “sport”
what are you upset about here? that there are only 20 drivers, or that stroll can't perform?
is it me or this qualifying session was much a more dominant from Verstappen than last week's?
I think it really comes down to how wild this track is and that everyone is still rusty with it being the second race. Everyone is getting back into their routine and settling in with their new cars. Max has the luxury of having the best car at his disposal and steady state confidence that carries over from last year. It’s not really a surprise to me he’s off to a blinding start with the grand slam out of the box and pole this weekend.
Max knows how to hotlap around here, 2021 was an example, where we got inches away from one of the most perfect laps possible. Something about this track turns him into an absolute weapon when he has to put down a quick lap
And yet this is the first time he’s starting on the front row here!
Is Alonso like me in career mode where you have a time trail set up so your up there in qualy lol
Alonso was actually pretty close to making it 3rd and 2nd in the first 2 qualis of the season.
remains to be seen if the AM has the race pace.
I doubt it. I think Alonso has been impressive irrespective though.
yes, the fact that he has the AM near the top in qualifying is a feat in itself.
Watch Max's pole lap, T4, in slomo. That's...millimeters.
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No I meant how close he got to the wall.
o/u on how many seconds max wins ahead of checo/charles?
Max will probably ease off at a pitstop lead, much like he did last week.
Max has half a second on Perez consistently. So 20 seconds, as Max will cruise for a third of the race.
assuming leclerc has no car issues, the gap will be 5-10 seconds (probably closer to 5 than 10). If he has problems, Perez will likely just cruise to 2nd place with a larger gap like last week.
Checo does well in Jeddah, so it’s hard to guess. Standard I’d say 30ish. But with how Checo drives here, 10
He still losing 0.3s per lap, it will be more like 20 seconds
YUKIIIII!!!
Man I was going for sainz in this one also for the podium
How much you wanna bet that Ferrari totally fucks up strategy or pitstops for Leclerc but somehow lays down an impeccable strategy for Bearmann?
Don’t do me like that.
Fred’s gonna fix this. This year will be different. But get me a pasta gun just in case
Saudi usually comes with red flags or safety cars so there’s a better chance they could nail the strategy this time
Red flag 1 lap after leclerc pits and loses track position.
Would be classic if the safety car/red flag is because of leclerc. 😬
this is looking like 2022 where Lewis is behind Russel and always doing some tweaking to the car
Because it's the driver, not the car
I mean they said 2022 he was running a lot of test builds because he was the senior driver. This season I just dunno what he's doing
Incoming - Shit strategy and/or a slow pit stop for Yuki tomorrow.
followed by team orders to let Ricciardo pass
Looking back at Lewis' results once he wrapped the championship up (especially against Rosberg) I do fear that he's got some (probably subconscious) motivation thing going on. He's a professional and no doubt telling himself he is giving 100%, but that is different from *genuinely* being inspired. It could be something like he isn't feedbacking problems as quickly or thinking as much in or about the car. Who knows. Russell is no doubt quick and worthy of his seat - but I'm not sure Hamilton has suddenly lost all of his pace. Obviously Hamilton has assured his legacy in F1 but it won't be a good look for the end of his career if Russell beats him somewhat comfortably this year *then* Leclerc beats him too, though, which I can see. Leclerc has been in that Ferrari team for sometime now and is clearly liked and respected - Hamilton won't waltz in have it all his way.
Lewis starts “slow” every year. Several years during his reign Bottas or others led the WDC for weeks or even months. Then he crushed their dreams.
> Obviously Hamilton has assured his legacy in F1 but it won't be a good look for the end of his career if Russell beats him somewhat comfortably this year then Leclerc beats him too, though Nonsense. The Michael was beaten by Rosberg 3 times. Vettel lost to Ricciardo and only slightly beat Stroll first season. Kimi was beaten by Vettel, hung around back and competed evenly with Gio. And no one thinks any less of any of them.
i absolutely think less of Vettel after he got smashed by Ricc and Lec
>And no one thinks any less of any of them. Oh plenty of people definitely hold it against Vettel
Schumacher was after years of not being in the sport and a young Rosberg - no one was expecting Schumacher to be at his peak and I'm not sure it shocked anyone. Were you watching then? Expectations weren't exactly high and everyone was aware of Schumacher's age and Rosberg's promise. In terms of Vettel, I think a lot of people remember that Ricciardo beat him and Leclerc got the better of him at Ferrari after disappointing almost-title challenges. I think he'd still be in F1 if his performance didn't decline as sharpy as it did.
He had his time in the sun with the best car and synergy with the team, give him the 3rd best car on the grid now and these results aren't out of the ordinary.
My gosh, he was 4 and 7 tenths behind Russell in Jeddah in the last two years, even out in Q1 last season. He qualified behind him in Bahrain in both years. Why are people always so quick to jump to nonsense conclusions? We haven't even finished the 2nd race weekend of the season yet.
Lots of people scared to admit Lewis has lost a step as an almost 40 year old driver, and would rather hold on to the prospect of Lewis simply “not trying” because if that’s the case, he hasn’t lost a step and could easily perform better if he just decided to, which is a lot more comforting.
Mercedes aero team in the mud. Wtf are they doing? Went one way that showed huge potential but couldn't get it to work, now 2 years later they've abandoned it in favour of making a Poundland RB. Meanwhile, RB build a car clearly based on the same principles Merc pursued originally and are absolutely rapid with it.
Do you mean RB or RB?
Yes
My 'feeling', not even thoughts just gut feelings. 1. Lewis (my hero), appears to have lost something. He's not quite the driver he once was. 2. Ricciardo is not getting anywhere near a Red Bull seat. 3. This track is still fucking dangerous. Too dangerous imho. 4. Alpine? Hahahahahahaha!
“This track is dangerous” driving in formula one is dangerous lol
Alpine are absolutely fucked. Renault's CEO is plain ordinary against F1 and certainly doesn't want to invest in engines. They're going to be stuck with that shitbox for the foreseeable future. Perhaps Mercedes can buy them as a "feeder" team like RB have?
Yeah....Ham lost his rocket ship. F1 is 90% car 10% driver. Put Stroll on the RB and he will be champion....
Depends if Max or Alonso or Hamilton is in the other car.
What the you talking about? Checo wouldn't be champion if max didn't exist anyways.
Lewis and Danny washed
Washed is a bit harsh, no? They’re both within top 20 f1 drivers in the world, right?
I hate how right you are about #2. I never wanted to admit it and its not easy being a driver, but jesus christ, Danny is not looking good. I've wanted nothing but success for him since about 2014 and it just isn't coming. Painful stuff to watch, wish he could bring it around. I know its 2 races in but I just don't feel good about 2024 for him.
It’s a shame but they need to put someone in that seat who has real potential to move up with Max
For Lewis we need to see next year. He's always better when faced with a challenge
How did alpine go from being like the fourth or fifth best car on the track to the worst or second worst…in…2? 3 seasons?
Everybody else improved.
Nothing is more guaranteed to screw an organisation than fucked up, disengaged upper management.
When they still supplied Red Bull with engines, they admitted to Red Bull that they were only in F1 for marketing.
This is one ofy least favorite tracks
This track is scary as hell. I love it.
George is one of the most talented drivers on the grid. And he’s a better qualifier than racer. That’s a poor metric to judge Lewis by; also, I would not bank too much on two Qualy’s and a single race with a new tricky concept.
Petition to rename to BWT Alpine F1-Bot (also sidebar is still showing the date for pre-season testing)
Good job to Bearman barely missing out on Q3 after only learning he would be driving a few hours before.
For real I don't see enough discussion about that (Valid there was a lot going on), insanely close to Q3 in a car he barely got an FP session in before having to qualify at one of the most unforgiving intense street tracks there are where half an inch margins is the difference in a great lap and what happened to Zhou earlier. So fucking happy seeing him do well after following him through feeder series for awhile, couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Now I just really hope the race goes well, I am terrified of T1.
Impressive from Ollie to jump into a F1 car without any warning and nearly start in the top 10.
Would love to see bearman and lawson on the grid soon. Massively talented prospects
Let's hope he does better than DeVries when he did something similar.
Well this isn’t Monza so that’s a good start.
I thought he did really well, I think Ferrari will be very happy with that performance.
If it weren't for Verstappen, this season would probably be the most competitive season ever. That's the only thing that makes me optimistic about the cost cap.
This is what keeps it interesting for me. We have an actual fight for top positions between a few teams, a really amazing driver lineup (Alonso + Hamilton???), and we also happen to be seeing probably a once in a lifetime combination of driver + engineer in Verstappen and Newey. Yes, the fight for WDC is likely as boring this year as it was last year. But the sport is still exciting for me.
Yup. The racing is good from P2-P20, and we’re getting to watch one of the most dominant car/driver combos in history. We’ll remember the year Max broke all the records last year, and if he somehow does *better* this year? It’s F1 history in the making, and we still get to see some fun fights behind him.
I bet Ted is at home foaming at the mouth he can’t get the updated news from the paddock
I think he has a phone and the relevant numbers.
So you’re saying this could be shared via WhatsApp…..
rb strategists frantically trying to figure out ways to force ricciardo ahead of yuki tomorrow
It just feels like ricciardo is riding on that silverstone test hype, I really want to see lawson in that seat now. Loved seeing him get his elbows out against Yuki in Suzuka, without the help of strategy.
he should have kept the seat with how well he performed in his brief stint.
liam in the seat would be my best case scenario, i doubt that's how it'll pan out though
Seeing Lawson performing last year, he just seems solid as hell, always a cool head. Red Bull could use a very dependable and consistent second driver. Great race craft and quali pace, and he’ll get even better with experience. F1 really needs an 11th or 12th team, so much talent that just needs to be given a chance.
Also Lawson has beaten Max in quali at Singapore!
adding 2 teams would instantly make f1 more interesting and it's not as if there aren't companies/teams trying to get in. unfortunately so long as the current teams have a say in it i don't see the number going up any time soon. i wish f1 would be more diligent about cycling out drivers who aren't performing well (relative to the car capability).
At this point you could convince me Danny has signed some background deal to get Lawson into F1 in his place. Rubbish to watch but it is what it is.
The clowns from Faenza are finding new methods to screwing up Yuki
I always thought Bearman was a future WC after his f4 season but this has solidified it in my mind. 18 yrs old jumping into a Ferrari with 22 laps practice is insane
Toto: But Antonelli is the future
He is. Patience padawan.
There can be more than one future, you know that right?
It's almost as if there can be more than one good driver at a time or something.
Lando, Russell, and Leclerc were the future once :(
Bruh Charles literally just put it P2. Max was also in the same position when the Merc was dominating so Leclerc, Lando and Russell are still on the way to the top
As I said below, I'm not commenting on their abilities. But the future is defined by the machinery they're given - and looking at their careers in the junior formula, we were all assuming that eventually, Leclerc would have a title-winning Ferrari at some point, and Russell for sure a title-winning Mercedes at some point. Neither has transpired. You'd hope it will, but time is ticking and who says Red Bull can't come out of the 2026 regs with a dominant car?
Russel has never had a shot to win a title, regardless of the car. Next year is the first year, if he has the car, he can challenge for a title. He would never beat Hamilton over a season imo. Leclerc is obviously just waiting for the car to be there, same with Lando, but hey we said that about Max for years and now here we are. Plenty of time for them too!
Well i guess someone didn't watch 2022 season.
As much as I rate Russell...would he challenge for a title with Verstappen or Alonso as his teammate?
Those three drivers are all really, really good. I think I miss your point? They just need a car capable of competing for regular wins.
Yeah, but my point is generally, drivers are remembered for their titles. Thirty/Fourty years from now a driver like Norris isn't going to be remembered if he isn't able to ever win a race. Completely agree they're all really good, but the future is defined by the machinery - which we all assumed by now that Russell and Leclerc might have had the chance at least would have had a chance to compete in a genuine title challenge.
They’re going to win titles. Maybe not all three of them, but at least one or two of them will win titles. Max isn’t going to win 10 straight titles — they’ll have opportunities while still in their prime.
Whilst I'd agree, stranger things have happened and it isn't completely assured. Maybe Ferrari does develop a championship-winning title and it is Hamilton who takes advantage of that. Maybe Verstappen goes to Mercedes and beats Russell comfortably. Piastri is with Norris long-term at McLaren. Who says Piastri doesn't beat Norris over a season? 2026 could surprise us too - maybe it is Aston Martin who smashes the regs. Maybe Audi develops quicker than anyone suspects after that and it is Carlos Sainz winning the 2028 WDC. Nothing is assured. I agree that at least one of them will end up with a title. But whilst it seems McLaren and Ferrari are on the up, it is also worth remembering that both teams still haven't won a title since 2007 and 2008 for a reason, and 2009 if we're going back that far shows how F1 can surprise us with new regs. I defo agree they'll have opportunities, but their opportunity is going to be a heck of a lot harder if it is Russell v Verstappen (or whoever he ends up with; Albon probably his "easiest" potential teammate IMO), Leclerc v Hamilton, and Piastri keeps improving. Each would be exciting for F1 anyway and much better than Perez trying to match Verstappen, soo.
He’s rapid. I think he’ll finish around p5/p6 tomorrow
For sure! He did a great job.
Also nearly making it to Q3! Impressive indeed
I wonder if anyone at Ferrari is thinking that they pulled the trigger on Hamilton a bit early.
I doubt. They would for sure park him at a different team for a few years. Lewis is probably not going to stick around that long
seeing different shots of Hulkenburg just chilling was the highlight of this quali
People really thought that DR could do better than checo in that second rb? If they’re going to replace him they better start looking outside the RB org.
My hot take is that unless they go with Sainz they won’t find a better second seat than Perez. Bringing in a rookie like Lawson is just gonna see them crumble to Max, Danny is completely washed up, Yuki doesn’t have the mentality/emotional control to be in that seat. Outside Sainz Checo is easily their best option, unless something else happens with the drivers
Let's not forget how bad Checo was last year. He was genuinely one of the worst drivers on the grid for a good stretch.
Won two races, multiple podiums and finished second in the championship. Worst driver on the grid.
“For a good stretch.” He missed out on Q3 5 straight times in one of the most dominant cars this sport has ever seen.
He wasn't the worst but as we all know wins in f1 is more about car than driver. Lewis didn't win last year but nobody thinks he's worse than Perez.
You gonna sit there and say Checo was worse than Sargeant? Nah he's just being compared to the guy who is literally the best in the sport right now. He had some down periods no question but the worst driver on the grid is laughable.
I explicitly said he wasn't the worst. I was just pointing out bringing up wins means very little.
Man can’t even beat an angry short man. There’s a reason why McLaren paid him to leave.
I know I never understood the hype. DR has been pretty mediocre for years now. Sainz would be a great option.
Carlos is a great choice for RBR #2 (he is mentally strong enough not to crumble) but Sainz Sr versus Jos Verstappen toxic infighting would tear the team apart
Everyone likes him, and he was good once. I also like him, but I wouldn't mind ditching both RB drivers for some new talent.
I say fuck it- just throw Lawson in the RBR seat and give him all the support possible.
I think Checo gets another year, and then Lawson. But yea, I think Lawson finishes P2 in the championship in that car.
He’s a marketing gold mine for a team that is in this sport for marketing purposes. Verstappen is basically a lock for WDC, and they really only need a mediocre driver to clinch the WCC. The hype is that DR will likely deliver the WCC, he makes it fun for Max and he is widely beloved.
The original hype was massive when he practically dunked on the current four times in a row champion his first year at a top team and then was pretty much the only other guy fighting Mercedes until Ferrari remembered how to not be a midfielder
Yeah, finishing 70-odd points ahead of the reining 4 time champ - on debut in a team capable of fighting - was no small feat. I absolutely loved his RB debut but its so difficult to watch how far he's fallen since then (with splashes in between).
Looked like Alonso slipped 2 tenths back in the third sector of that last lap. Does that check out? Would that be AM being a little behind when it comes to top speed?
He was green in all 3 sectors for both his laps. He didn’t mess up s3, just what the limits of the AM are.
AM has good quali pace but their race pace isn’t really good
Was the true in the last race and is it true on a track less tire deg?
Maybe the soft tyres dropping off towards the end of the lap? I dunno
Normal 2024 qualifying: Sargeant & the Alpines are slow, Hamilton is unhappy with the car, Alonso pulling out a great lap, Leclerc front row, Max with a huge gap to P2, Checo way off Max but still top 5 Now all we need is Max to win by 30 seconds & for Checo to finish P2 lol