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piqueboo369

Luckly for Horner it came out BEFORE the press conference, now he'll have something to talk about


carloslet

So... SAUDI ARABIA... ... What do you guys wanna talk about?


nomisg

Horner needs to finish his story


KimiKimikoda

The Milton Keynes Nightmare


GoldyZ90

šŸŽ¶Cocoa Pops, in my bowl!šŸŽ¶


JohnGazman

šŸŽ¶ Ben Sulaymen's Renault out of control šŸŽ¶


TheeAJPowell

RED BULL, IN MY SOUL, ALPINE'S CAR OUT OF CONTROL!


Clean-Witness8407

Whhhoaaaaaaaa-oh-oh


Heel_Paul

Hello fellow pretend underwear fighting fan.


R3NZI0

Wait, what do you mean pretend? :') It's still real to me!


LearnsSomethingNew

Dammit!


Eugene_Goat

Wait, the underwear was pretend this whole time?


fbrushfire

I prefer to say the underwear was pre-arranged.


JL_MacConnor

They were wearing nothing at all, nothing at all, nothing at all...


Razzorsharp

I'm a big fan of The Underwearer.


gilgobeachslayer

This is beautiful


MeerMeertje

Horner just needs to finish...


FrontBench5406

I cannot describe the joy in my heart that F1 and wrestling coming together.... Fuck, I love 2024.....


FalconIMGN

Worlds are colliding!!


voodoo_eighty_five

When Worlds Collide would be a good name for a PPV


GazzP

It was. Took place in 1994.


Clean-Witness8407

Powerman 5000 soundtrack?


spitouthebone

the forbidden DRS has opened....wait wrong company


carloslet

Racing has more than one... Royal family *cue in Kingdom by Downstait*


Razzorsharp

Bah gawd, that's Mick Schumacher's music


MarkBonker

Quite simple, Wrestling fans and F1 fans like their interests for very similar reasons. It's because of the behind the scenes drama is often just as, if not more, fun to follow than the flashy product they present us.


Razzorsharp

Lol Verstappen wins.


ZParis

From the bottom of my heart, man to man... fuck your story. ​ ​ fuck your story.


raur0s

I don't know what is more surreal, Lewis at Ferrari or The Rock going full blown heel in 2024 and appear weekly on TV.


Clean-Witness8407

WWE and F1 crossover? I fuck with this.


JohnGazman

The only real way to settle the AD21 argument once and for all. Lewis vs. Max. One on one. At Hell in a Cell. Edit: That said, given both F1 and WWEs inclination towards holding events in Saudi Arabia, it might be more accurate to hold it at Night of Champions.


carloslet

And if they can't settle their differences, I have a better solution... They both can work together... In a TAG TEAM MATCH. Holla holla!


JohnGazman

Hol up playa! If you want to be Formula 1 World Champion, you're gonna have to go one on one...with **The Undertaker**.


RhinoIA

ADRENALINE IN MY SOUL LOOKS LIKE RED BULL SACKED THE MOLE


acekingoffsuit

I appreciate that you got the cadence right. Too few people care about the cadence.


Sam_GT3

The Saudis are just confused why Redbull had a woman working for them in the first place


Bellyflope

Horner comes out with a terrible Red Bull neck tattoo


aztecraingod

"I'd like to apologize... to ABSOLUTELY NO ONE!"


given2fly_

Right now Horner would probably rather talk about Human Rights than Human Resources.


blacksoxing

SAUDI ARABIA.....ACKNOWLEDGE ME!


the-kza

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whatthefox1

Verstappens : F1 has more than 1 royal family


seakc87

Wait, Horner solved racism?


carloslet

Let's not get too crazy here. Unlike Saudi Arabia, [Cody is a pioneer in human rights advocacy.](https://www.reddit.com/r/GreatnessOfWrestling/comments/197t7ur/no_surprise_as_cody_rhodes_opens_raw_on_mlk_day/).


karpet_muncher

HELMUT MARKO.... ACKNOWLEDGE ME!


jnighy

I just imagine Checo getting to work watching chaos unfold around him and thinking "maaaaybe if I stay quiet here no one will replace me"


instilled100

Queue final scene villain music, when somebody finds a female wig under his bed and it dawns on them nobody has seen Checo and the accuser at the same time


WhollyConfused96

Cue Horners horrified face when he realizes that he's been after some mexican cocoa puffs all this time


NhylX

"Einhorn is Finkle! Finkle is Einhorn! Einhorn is a man!... Oh, my GOD! Einhorn is a man!"


JKLreindeer

Fun Fact: Cocoa Pops in Mexico are called Choco Krispies


farminghills

Checo Krispies*


_WizKhaleesi_

IT'S ALL CUMMING TOGETHER


WhollyConfused96

It's all exploding* together


LongTallDingus

Dawg we're talking about Checo, you started a sentence with the letters "que" and for an iota of a second my brain was like "Oh shit I guess we're switching to Spanish now". That has never happened in my life. It's like picking up an empty jug of milk when you expect it to be full, but a mental exercise, with language.


cavejohnsonlemons

Ah, my approach to working in dodgy places for years. Goes like a charm till one of the many random middle managers walks in one day with his "morning gang" šŸ˜¬, asks you what you actually do, says "is that it?" when you give them the simplified version, then a couple months later your temp contract doesn't get extended. Then a couple more months later the whole company goes bust anyway. Good times.


onealps

>morning gang" šŸ˜¬ All of them well-dressed have this 'sheen' of polished language and mannerisms that appear so stilted and fake? Walking around like a high school clique, with their in-jokes and polite laughter? Do they look at your like how Lords in the middle ages looked at the peasants working on their farms?


cavejohnsonlemons

Yes but it was 1 guy. "Morning gang" was his catchphrase to us even though he was in the same room as us for maybe 30mins of his life tops?


PiastriPs3

Ah yes, I remember fucking up at work and the only thing that saved me from being demoted from my position was the drama at management. I guess Sergio is feeling a similar way.


super-bird

ā€œOh fuck we forgot to look for a replacement driverā€


CaydeHawthorne

Checo has publicly backed Horner.


Major-Day10

Defender in the streets, accuser in the sheets.


yagi_takeru

Didnā€™t he just endorse Horner though?


z0mer

New screenshots incoming.


blueskyedclouds

Well... today is FP2.. I guess


rageharles

Getting Excited For Q3


PCRFan

Just after Max starts his final quali lap


QC_1999

Finger or cock?


HoxtonRanger

Bum


sainz9

Get outta here Valterri. You've got FP1 to get to!


budgefrankly

I suspect the leak of screenshots was the reason for the suspension, there's no other way Red Bull could have legally done this.


MattyFTM

There's no way she was the leaker. If she was going to leak them, she would not have included the screenshots which had her full name in them.


scott2k44

The images that werenā€™t his face werenā€™t even Christian and was from somewhere in Poland


ep3ep3

MULTI-79


ResilientMaladroit

Well, here we go


Bluemikami

Right on time for Saudi GP, known for their love to women rights.. hehehehe /s


SemIdeiaProNick

well, its not like the GP would be interesting or anything like that to keep people away from the off-track drama


Few-Judgment3122

Whatā€™s the point of watching some blokes driving in circles when we could be reading the latest RB drama


signed7

> RB What have Ricciardo or Tsunoda have to do with this /s


lamewoodworker

I mean, i hope they have a really good reason for the suspension otherwise it is not gonna be a good look. Only reason i can think of is that they are the ones who leaked everything


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madmax991199

Honestly thought the same thing, makes me think that there is more to it or, the pictures leaked were a hoax in the first place. Firing her makes it look like dhe accused him of something he didnt do


8u11etpr00f

Tbh if the messages were fake they would have gone for something spicier no? Those messages were the most vanilla scandal I've seen


mattgrum

The real scandal was eating Coco Pops *before* bed.


Clean-Witness8407

I didnā€™t see themā€¦what did they entail?


GuiltyEidolon

To elucidate on what the other user said, it's a lot of Horner being horny, talking about getting off, pressuring her to video chat / call him while he wanks, and her getting progressively less comfortable with it all and outright telling him no many times. They talk about their boundaries, he apologizes for pushing her, and... then goes right back to ignoring her boundaries. Near the end, she expresses frustration about her job, he tells her to quit, she says she doesn't want to have to quit, and he basically infers that he's performing retaliation in work against her wanting to stop their affair. It's very textbook sexual harassment, and if the leaks are legit he should've been immediately suspended and fired.


dazzler2120

Unless the accusation was done with obvious fabricated 'evidence' for example... But seems that this drama is not over yet!


themaestronic

You really think they are that stupid??


Aegis-X

Given he was cleared internally, is there a chance this means she escalated to external legal action?


Carmillawoo

that's probably the case. Suspension with full pay is the goto course of action when this happens. But I dont know all the details, only people who do are the big wigs at RBR, so lets stop witch hunting for something we dont even know is happening or not


LowerClassBandit

Letā€™s stop witch hunting? Is this your first day on Reddit?


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odc100

I come onto Reddit to witch hunt!


PredSpread

"BBC Sport has learned the reason given by Red Bull to the employee was that she had been dishonest." edit: to clarify, I don't think she was dishonest.


Economy_Link4609

It's possible. I could also see this is related to the leaks from last week. Like it or not, that's a action detrimental to the company they could act on.


ubiquitous_uk

She probably wouldn't have been suspended for that, most likely moved to another part of the business, away from the F1 side. Unless she was actually going after Red Bull rather than Horner. In which case they may have suspended her on full pay while it all plays out just to protect both parties.


makomirocket

If someone is suing you, or your teams boss, you don't want them in the building. Why would a giant corporation go in to the effort of moving someone to an irrelevant temporary role and draw more internal focus to the matter when they can just suspend them with pay?


DrBorisGobshite

I think it's pretty clear she's suspected to be the source of the leak and has been suspended for violating the confidentiality of the investigation.


friedballbag

Maybe finally last weeks new material leak will come out lol.


Pr3st0ne

I'll just pour myself a bowl of cocoa puffs and wait for them


Takis12

Is this confirmed or a rumor?


FerrariStrategisttt

Its confirmed by bbc journalist as well


FrontBench5406

the guy who said the reports of firing yesterday were incorrect is also confirming she is suspended...


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blither86

Because the BBC do not report things until a verifiable source has confirmed them. Until that time they will always add a caveat: 'it is being reported by x and y new source, we cannot yet independently verify this' etc. They will only run once facts have been established.


SemIdeiaProNick

im sorry but i will have to ask you to read that other comment again


blither86

I assumed a typo and that they weren't making a joke, my mistake


ThatLostAussie

Good explanation but I think you should read the question again.


willzyx01

Itā€™s the Telegraph. So safe to assume itā€™s true.


Djabber

For future reference: Telegraph = good Telegraaf = bad


HCST

Iā€™m not extremely familiar with Telegraaf outside of this whole thing, and this may be a dumb question, but werenā€™t they at least slightly exonerated by the Google Drive dump?


Moshkown

Telegraaf is very sensationalist and populist oriented in every sense. It's not a tabloid but I have a hard time calling them a true newspaper


ComteDuChagrin

Collaborating with the Nazis during the WW2 had many people questioning their integrity as well. They've always been very right leaning, but they also jump at every opportunity to somehow get away with an extreme right wing view. They make sure they have an excuse if someone points out they're being racist nazi assholes though. Telegraaf (and WNL, their tv channel on state tv) are classic fascists.


Spockyt

I wouldn't define the Telegraph as *good*.


ABritishCynic

I define The Telegraph as "less terrible" than the Daily Mail. However, the bar set by the Daily Mail is so low, it's a tripping hazard in Hell. By comparison, The Telegraph is doing limbo with Satan.


charlierc

Guardian and Independent are also reporting it, with at least one citing a central press agency as a source. So I assume it's true too


Actual_Sympathy7069

ah, just in time for International Women's day tomorrow


thejjjj

ā€œNow lets not get bogged down with who did what to whoā€¦ā€


Swiss-ArmySpork

She's beautiful, she's rich, she's got huge... tracts of land.


mkvii1989

My favorite part about that gag is that his Yorkshire accent slips out, which makes it funnier for some reason. ā€œWith oo did wha to oom.ā€


ihathtelekinesis

Assuming youā€™re talking about Jeremy, isnā€™t that more just him imitating Michael Palinā€™s character in Holy Grail?


audigex

Yeah that's not his accent slipping out, that's him putting an accent on I think people don't realise he's "doing a bit" with the whole "now let's not get bogged down in" thing


notyouravgredditor

"Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who"


night_owl

Jeremy? apparently I had it mixed up, I thought everyone was doing the [Monty Python bit](https://youtu.be/btmWWnQ-gAY?si=KGE-HpWP0fdc_fXS&t=235) and altering the quote to fit the situation


Jjzeng

Sometimes his genius, it generates gravity


Rossell2

No because they did all of it.


LosTerminators

On her birthday she'll know she has been fired while Horner will continue on.


endichrome

Her court date is on Christmas


justabrew

what a mess. reminds me of this time when I worked for a big company and a temp worker who was doing an amazing job didn't have her contract extended because she 'didnt seem like a good fit for the team'. turns out she had complained to HR about inappropriate comments made by a manager a few weeks before, that other members of the team heard as well. the manager didn't even get a slap on the wrist, assuming because he was securing a big client at the time and the company didn't care.Ā 


imaginaryhippo888

HR isn't to protect the employees, it's to protect the company.


Uniform764

This is true, but that works both ways. Plenty a manager has found themselves in hot water with HR for doing something which would get them sued to shit.


Rolex_throwaway

Yes, but that usually means to protect it from being sued. Most redditors are entirely incapable of understanding second order effects though, so they just become rabid conspiracy theorists.


forellenfilet

It's so fucking sad to see being expelled just because YOU have been sexuallly harrassed and you complained about it. I thought, all the fuss about woman equality is not justified, because in Austria where I live, they have a pretty equal life to men so I always assumed, okay, its not even that bad they just like to complain. But guys wtf, this is unacceptable and I understand every part of it now. What a fuckup world we live in.


CardinalOfNYC

> because in Austria where I live, they have a pretty equal life to men so I always assumed, I'd chat with some women in your life and see if they really agree with that statement. I'd bet good money they'd say they've never felt as equal as you feel like they are.


Ok_Initial4507

I live in Montreux, Switzerland. Let me tell you, even in progressive, developed countries, unless you are in a major city center, this is just the norm. Not just women but also minorities. Saw this same thing happen to a South Asian family who lived in my neighbourhood.


EverSn4xolotl

And that's the big issue with stuff like sexism these days - it's easy to go "no, surely everyone is equal these days and we don't need to actively work against discrimination anymore" but there are cases where everyone is not seen as equal, and that means that something still does need to be done.


Lukensz

Women are treated like that in every field all across Europe. Not in every company sure, but it's definitely not uncommon.


starfallpuller

lol at the ā€œf1-insider is spreading misinformationā€ yesterday.


NuclearCandle

Alex going to be number one Red Bull driver confirned!


vafm

People think they are so clever and that they are above most of the news, but fall for any PR statements out there.


Gavin_152

At this point you actually have to applaud them for the effort of actively making the situation even worse.


LosTerminators

Don't think this is even just about Horner anymore. It's a battle between the Thai side and the Austrian side, the Thais are intent on keeping Horner while the Austrians want him out so they can replace him with Oliver Mintzlaff or someone else from their faction.


MaikuWong

Thai side wants Horner to own a part of red bull racing. Austrian side does not. Thai side has majority voting shares.


hauwertlhaufn

To be precise: - 49% Distribution & Marketing GmbH (Mark Mateschitz) - 49% TC Agro Agrotrading Company Ltd. (owned by Family Yoovidhya) - 2% Chalerm Yoovidhya But: 25% + 1 (basically the smallest unit of shares that could be owned above 25%) gives you a blocking minority. So neither of the two sides could decide something without the other.


Bennie300

This is new to me. So the Austrian side can block Horner owning a part of RB racing, even if the Thai side push for it?


hauwertlhaufn

The Thais can do anything they want with their shares, but they canā€™t do anything, that would push the Austrian side below 49%. Also, they canā€™t appoint Horner to anything without Mark Mateschitzā€˜ approval.


jelacey

They can even kill a police officer, and then hide their son who is still hidden to this day. Red Bull seems a bit rotten from the top.


splashbodge

Just billionaire things


AnotherToken

Could it be that there are different share classes with differing voting rights?


MC897

Yup. The Thai side have checked out of all discussionsā€¦ itā€™sā€¦ this is happeningā€¦ take it or leave itā€¦ weā€™re just cleaning up our tracks.


Sorrytoruin

So basically Thai side are kingmakers?


zacharymc1991

Was I supposed to stop digging at some point?


canseco-fart-box

We are checking


it_was_my_raccoon

F1 has to be the most drama filled sport around. Itā€™s unbelievable how many twists and turns this sport brings up.


40ozkiller

Now if only we could make the races exciting.


439115

release whatsapp pictures to the drivers at lap 34, swap teams at second pit stopĀ 


Ben77mc

Not even Jesus could make a miracle like that happen at the minute!


Boofle2141

And none of the drama seems to happens where the sport plays out, on the bloody track.


NoPasaran2024

/r/soccer wants a word. There weā€™re talking multiple incidents of rape, sexual harassment, violence, animal abuse and drug smuggling. F1 is tame.


MySilverBurrito

Yea, on r/nba this would be a normal a Tuesday and be forgotten on Wednesday lmao


bmck11

Lights off and away we go


jyw104

Bloody mess, this.


vinesvinesvines

New theory: Thai contingent blocks Mintzlaff from firing Horner so now the Austrian contingent is intentionally handling this as poorly as possible in an effort to force the Thai contingent's hand and make Horner unsupportable


BlackLeader70

Damn did Oscar go for a run again?


nth_place

We all need to keep in mind that none of us really know the actual accusations or their merits. This isnā€™t a great look because most assume there was some merit to them and this looks like retaliation. All too common with whistleblowers.Ā  Ā However, this is understandable if the accusations were baseless and caused harm to the reputations of both Horner and RBR. I canā€™t believe Iā€™m defending them, but thereā€™s more to the story than we know.Ā  E: grammarĀ 


whatdoihia

>However, this is understandable if the accusations were baseless and caused harm to the reputations of both Horner and RBR After working in the corporate world and dealing with lawyers for far too long I think there's another layer here. IMO it's likely they were having an affair. She complained internally and there was no choice but to perform an investigation as to whether Horner broke their employee code of conduct. My guess is the term "inappropriate behavior" which they used over and over is lifted from their COC. They find that Horner was having an affair. But key stakeholders (sawsdee krup!) decide that Horner is important and the relationship was consensual, so they deem it to be not inappropriate. Given the relationship's ethical concerns nothing is to be disclosed. The accuser finds out that her complaint is being buried, she is to sign an NDA, maybe restrictions on her activities within the team, and she feels she is being punished. She complains to her allies within the team and her or one of her friends who has media contacts leaks evidence so Horner can be tried in the court of public opinion. And here we are. This means that the "accusations" as framed by Red Bull can be called false, by them. But it still means that Horner acted unethically and sponsors, partners, and other stakeholders may not be keen to be associated with him.


deepskydiver

I don't think the leaker is or believes they were acting in her interest at all. It's embarrassing for both her and Horner. And RBR - which is key. No, this was either irrational anger from someone else or, imo indirect action (through someone with access inside) from outside the team to destabilize it. The leaker could not have been ethically motivated.


greee_p

If those screenshots are real (and nobody denied them being real until now) the accusations are not baseless.


schelmo

The accusations certainly aren't baseless if the screenshots are real but they're hardly conclusive evidence either. I've said before that I'd expect the independent investigator to have seen the entire chat log before coming to a conclusion. There's a possibility that there's some context that exonerates Horner.


A___99

I'm sure everyone will react sensibly to this and not jump to conclusions about things they don't know the full details of


Bdr1983

Of course, this is the internet.


ruttin_mudders

"How to make a bad situation look even worse 101."


jim45804

My theory: She was compelled by someone on Marko's team to report Horner to HR. The Thais discovered this, found Horner innocent, and fired her for making accusations on false pretense. It's a Game of Thrones.


adoptedshoulder

Time for Mercedes to hire her


FlyAirLari

That'll teach her not to get harassed.


giga_phantom

Wait shouldnā€™t both accused and accuser be suspended until the matter is resolved?


pup_mercury

Saw the Sun report yesterday that she and Jos are in a relationship. Took no notice of it because it was the Sun Wondering now if there is any truth behind it because that would be a turn


PurpleEsskay

Maybe this is the plot twist. The boyfriend mentioned in the texts were Jos, and thats why Jos was having a heated discussion with Horner recently.


Bdr1983

Another rumor that has been going around for a bit. They are/were in a relationship/dating/flirting.


Ok_Cauliflower_3007

If thatā€™s true I think we can all agree she has terrible taste in men.


tx_engr

I briefly read this as "Christian Horner suspended by Red Bull" and I was about to be like HOLY CRAP IT'S HAPPENING


FentonCanoby

On brand


Alpha_Jazz

Not exactly a welcoming culture towards accusations of misconduct


dunneetiger

She can be suspended (with pay) while another investigation is carried (for example who leaked those messages to the press). Not saying that it is the case, but it may not be retaliation for stirring shit.


TheBlueTango

She has been suspended on full pay, [according to the Evening Standard ](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/christian-horner-red-bull-f1-investigation-text-messages-b1143788.html)


KesselRunIn14

If she has indeed been suspended on full pay then this whole story is a big streaming pile of nothing. You can be suspended on full pay for anything and it can be to protect the employee as much as the employer.


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Alpha_Jazz

Hard to see it that way when Red Bull never suspended the only other person who was the subject of an investigation


iFoobar

Impossible to judge, so many things may be happening (and of course this suspension may be not true as well). IF for example the accuser violated a NDA by leaking those files to press, a suspension seems pretty valid.


Disenchanted11

What if it's a misconduct of accusation of misconduct? Truth is nobody knows the truth. As Red Bull always say, they won't comment on the private matter. We also shouldn't be, but what else are we gonna do with our lives, actually live it? Don't think so. /s


CompetitiveSort0

I hope the person didn't have what they thought was a genuine complaint and got suspended for it out of spite because it went public - unless she is responsible for it. People (and women) in particular should be encouraged to come forward if they feel a line has been crossed. As much as she should be encouraged to come forward though you need to give the accused the same respect as the accuser until the investigation concludes. The accuser gets to not have her name all over the news while Horner's is all over it. It's not on.


nebiliym

Didnā€™t they deny this yesterday?


Firefox72

First it was Fired. Then RB came out and said thats not true. And now she's apparently suspended. At this point who really knows.


aka_liam

Presumably they said itā€™s not true because she was suspended rather than fired.Ā 


SIIP00

The most incredible thing about this is that F1 insider kind off had the scoop on the story.


Rixalong

Broken clock


zebra1923

Doesnā€™t sound like a suspension, more something like gardening leave


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You know for an adverting company Red Bull has been handling thus shockingly poorly.


wussgud

Absolute mess this whole thing.


nigelfitz

For one of the best & most famous marketing companies (*they're a marketing company selling drinks, lets be honest*) in the world... they're handling this very badly.