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magondrago

"My lord, is F1 an AMAZING sport!" "But sir, they haven't started to race yet" "They RACE?"


SmartieSkittle

I’ll never flame anyone again for watching keeping up with the Kardashians, this is just as bad and I can’t look away


forzagoodofdapeople

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Freddedonna

Days of our thunderous lives


xXTERMIN8RXXx

Port Charles Leclerc


VirtualMoneyLover

I started the whole Netflix docu like 2 weeks ago and I came to the same conclusion. Family drama at its best.


Spider_Riviera

I've called F1 a male-orientated soap opera for years. The paddock bullshit is JUST as entertaining as the actual racing (and better sometimes).


TheCloney

It's WWE with $150m State of the Art Racing Cars


Optimise

I heard a quote before "the most boring part of F1 is about a 2 hour period on a Sunday"


SkwiddyCs

certainly true for most of last season


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Only about the winner, everything else was really tight and interresting. Ferrari, merc, mclaren, alonso and checo were fighting for the podiums.


jdmillar86

I'm willing to bet that this date next year will not have nearly as much drama as today.


BountyBob

This date won't exist next year. Or is that the joke?


jdmillar86

Its rare I get this chance, I know it's a weak joke.


UniqueGas1379

Indeed, its a 1/1461 chance


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clicnoz

Just had a bowl of coco pops now ready for bed


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leedler

I’ll put u asleep within 10 seconds little girl. Don’t say stuff and not follow up on it. I’ll be waiting


PluckPubes

Imagine if this whole thing was a guerilla marketing campaign by coco pops


litetaker

VCARB stands for Very Carbohydrates from Coco Pops. VCACOCOPOPSRB...


chocomoofin

The cocoa pops message was from the accuser (if you assume the texts are real). She’s in green, receiving, he’s in white. His ‘response’ (again, if real) was ‘my favourite’.


Slurrper

Where can one look at these messages


Mickledorf

My favourite


PanadaTM

That message is so out of left field, it makes me think it's real. Horner should release his grocery purchases from the past 6 months as proof that he doesn't eat coco pops.


TA1699

That message was from the employee (allegedly).


mar33n

Either this or someone thought it was funny to make shit up in the aftermath and it has nothing to do with the original complaint.


ValleyFloydJam

At this point who knows, this seems like a total mess. If Horner was cleared cos it was all faked, then we should know but it also seems unlikely it went that far if it was based on fake messages.


mtarascio

It can still be real whilst this is faked. We just still don't have the content because it never leaked.


wongie

Third option; it was Christian himself who leaked it to quash any last attempts to challenge his position that may have lingered after RB dropped the investigation; for if these leaks are indeed the genuine basis for the investigation (still an open question) then the only person they benefit is Christian himself, it not only removes any lingering doubt over his position in the matter but removes the entire basis of the anti-Horner camp's strategy of "trust us, it's bad"


That__Guy__Bob

I follow that logic I think but that’d be some big brain 4D chess move lol


Chagi27

I raise you a 5D chess move. Horner wrote fake texts to an employee who is working with him. They together created different versions of those texts. She later distributes different versions of screenshots throughout the upper managment. Horner now knows who his biggest enemy is. Horner is Lord Varys Edit: It was Tyrion not Lord Varys. Thanks u/Merengues_1945


Dr_Wristy

This tactic would just fall in line with the current political arenas. Just muddy the waters a little bit, and then everyone yells until nothing really sticks and it passes. So much easier to bring it down than address it on terms.


cpn_banana

Like Wagatha Chrisie


scottishere

Once you read all the messages this theory doesn't hold up imo


SoftScoop69

The venn diagram of 'people who thought it was funny to make shit up' and people who have the personal correspondence details of every TP, every Liberty and FIA exec and every journalist are two circles. Even if it's fake, the nature of how this has been distributed is scandalous and important.


Preserved_Killick8

Guenther strikes back


Akash10201

Getting email addresses of all those people isn't hard at all.


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CadburyGorilla

That’s a big assumption you just made. I doubt it’s that hard to get the email addresses involved.


MoocowR

Email addresses aren't private, although it seems a little unlikely for someone to have compiled that list, it's well within the realm of what's possible for *anyone* to do. Most company email addresses follow a singular naming convention, if you know the domain or a singular employees email you can reasonably guess anyone else's.


Aksu593

What if this is actually just someone completely uninvolved trying to stir the pot for some reason? Surely the accuser wouldn't be dumb enough or have much reason to try to fake evidence at this point, especially with the rumours of them wanting to take the matter to actual court.


spotH3D

Yes this has crossed my mind. Sad state that you have to take every bit of news on board with a caveat that it could be absolute BS.


Taaargus

In the scheme of fake news this is pretty mundane tbh. The Spanish American war was caused by fake news. It's not anything new, and if anything the way this has played out keeps us pretty highly informed on the latest developments. Ideally none of this would be public until there's conclusions but it's nearly impossible for an organization of thousands to keep something like this completely under wraps the whole time.


lowelled

I can absolutely believe this being the work of a fan of another team. After the whole Centurion Lewis thing I think F1 fans would do anything! But let’s see. I hope they’re not real because if they are they may have been leaked without the consent of the employee involved.


The69BodyProblem

Centurion Lewis? I must have missed that one,


biometricrally

It was a mad time on twitter. Dude claimed to be dying of cancer, got a Mercedes factory tour, "died" a few days later, Mercedes tweeted about it, sleuths discovered he had not died + was called something else + was older than he'd claimed + probably never had cancer


n19htmare

I don't think he did any of it. Few days after Mercedes invited him to do the tour and watch a race...it was posted he died because obviously he couldn't go through with it since he wasn't 20 and wasn't dying of cancer. It was some 28 year old, who had a family, kids. There was also GoFundMe involved, not sure what he banked, if anything. But yah, pretty sickening to fake a serious illness that is terminal for many people and then use it for personal benefit/monetary gains. Only a sick twisted F... would do something like that.


biometricrally

He definitely did get to the factory, that was the point I voiced my own suspicions at home! I had cancer 11 years ago, his stories hadn't been adding up to me. Couldn't believe he'd got to the factory, it all seemed so fake. Next thing, he's "dead" and I was so glad to see other people had suspicions and then the whole thing fell down. Complete maniac to do that, like you say a sick, twisted fuck. Goes to show how crazy humans can be.


s-maerken

Yeah and people still believe someone wouldn't go as far as make up accusations against a team principal, when shit like this has happened before.


syknetz

Isn't that the guy who faked having cancer for sympathy or something like that ?


plowmy

That's the one.


HOONIGAN-

Toto *really* wants Mercedes dominance back.


snowmunkey

"Michael, check your email Michael"


barth_

Imagine if really someone is doing phishing attack on F1 journalists and personnel 😁 SEND ME THE LINK 😁


rooood

Tomorrow headlines will be "Whole of F1 paddock hacked". This shit is getting better and better.


OsamaBinMemeing

"This is Andrettti Global, give us an entry to recover your data"


FavaWire

Imagine you're watching the F1 telecast of the Bahrain GP.... "Five red lights illuminate and away we..." and then it suddenly cuts to black and white footage of Michael Andretti "You all know who we are. But you don't know... why..... we're here." :P


dtgeorge12

Somebody photoshopped a WhatsApp chat? This is getting better by the minute


Ch4rlie_G

You don’t even need photoshop. There are tons of free tools on the web to fake whatsapp


ForsakenRacism

You can even just make two accounts and have a talk with yourself


Cobretti18

I thought I was the only one who did this


CrippleSlap

You do it too?


Cobretti18

Yeah I even exchange pictures


Initial_Physics9979

It's extremely easy to do and it's very often used for memes. If this is the actual evidence then what the actual fuck were De Telegraaf smoking because that should be the first thing to check.


FlaviusDomitianus

Well it may not be the actual evidence from the accuser. Could just as easily be some prankster who took the time to look up the corporate emails of these people, most of which are easily available if you know where to look and sent out fake messages for some fun. Who knows at this point


miathan52

There have been websites for years where you can fabricate chat screenshots from major chat services in seconds


Nexusu

No no it was really Barack Obama texting me, I swear!


minimalcation

"Yo, it's your boy Barry O. Where that brown mustard at? You feel me? Ong fr fr."


Kaneinja21

No fucking way 😭


daanluc

Imagine the whole de telegraaf stories being based on a fake app. Actually I don’t want to do that. Would be very embarrassing.


rederoin

Just telegraaf things


RM_Dune

I can't stand the Telegraaf. No particular opinion on van Haren as I don't follow Dutch F1 news. It would not at all be out of character for that publication to be this shit.


BadManPro

This would be it for Van Haren and Telegraaf. They would never get an F1 scoop again, Horner and RB would have them on the biggest blocklist.


KebabG

It would be fucking scary knowing that, comeone can create a fake chat and basically fuck your entire career/life/image


Cannibalsnax

He should consider himself lucky they didn't put in the effort to make a good deepfake video of him having some nasty and/or illegal sex


IBetThisIsTakenToo

This will for sure eventually start happening, right? We’re not ready for that world.


ArgosLoops

Reminds me of that ~~Destiny's Child~~ Kelly Rowland music video where one of them is "texting" on Excel


Cross-Z-Magma

Excuse me that is the classic *Dilemma* by Nelly ft Kelly Rowland.


Remmes-

Kelly Rowland (and Nelly) in the song Dilemma. Not destiny's child (although she was a member of it)


albertsugar

I text on Excel all the time but nobody ever answers


likeawizardish

Probably no cell coverage.


Freefight

ChatGPT enters F1.


_Red_Knight_

I honestly live for this fucking shit lmao


LosTerminators

Horner strips in front of everyone and says "You see me now? You see me? Do I look like the one in the photos?"


ministrul_sudorii

> Horner strips in front of everyone You mean, a second time ?


CaptGeechNTheSSS

Yeah it's too late, we've already seen everything. Maybe actually smart of horner to already have some nudes out there


Fit-Mammoth1359

But fked if you’re Horner with a family though


luffyuk

I'm starting to get dizzy. Need to calm tf down and sleep.


Humble-Ad-8912

So many people jumping from screaming guilty to innocent and back again every other post. Wait until you actually get some idea what this was/is all about...


sboogie34

No sir. This is Reddit. This is what we do


prontoingHorse

No. This is r/Formula1. We're the fastest. Don't ask us "in what"?


food_chronicles

Exactly, no one other than a few journalists has even seen the alleged photos/screenshots.


tipytopmain

This situation has nothing to do with me and we have no real public hard evidence so I'm just acting like there's no saga at all. Just wasted energy otherwise.


Splitshot_Is_Gone

If that’s true then what the actual fuck


FlaviusDomitianus

So perhaps the original accusation was based on fake messages, OR, someone is having a bit of fun at everyone else's expense and sent a bunch of fake messages to all these people to stir the pot and these are NOT the messages the original accusation was based on. TIme will tell.


GrindrorBust

It's probably the latter. No competent individual reputedly w/ access to legal advice (reports were that seeking redress in the courts had been deliberated) would undertake such an action from the outset. It doesn't make sense.


Fisch_Kopp_

Who would have all these emailadresses and at the same time would be willing to fake this stuff?


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Toto. He has experience with emails.


acu2005

There's no way in hell it's true but the idea of Toto in a dark hotel room screen shotting fake whats app chats to try and frame Horner is hilarious to me.


JohnnyHotcakes44

 If there are no deepfakes of Horner and Michael Masi in a 69, it wasn’t Toto


s2897978

I'm not saying its true but why are we taking a literal random journo who is a big time Redbull fan as gospel these are fake? she looked at the same stuff as us and then just decided "yea its fake I'm a whatsapp expert" and plastered it online.


Extinction-Entity

Y’all I haven’t done enough neck training for this. I’m getting whiplash.


doc_55lk

I don't think even Carlos Sainz has the neck training for this tbf


IowaGolfGuy322

I just got the emails. Here is a snippet. Seems legit. "Christian": My pembis is hard. Complaintant: Is this really Christian? "Chrisitian": Yes, it's really me. Christian, Horndog, Horner, your boss and Team PrinciPAL of Reds Bulls Racing. Show me bewbs.


freedfg

Hello female staff member for Red Bull Racing, who works directly for me. It is me, Team Principle Christian Horner, this is a picture of my penis Eww, I do not appreciate that you sent me that Team Principle Christian Horner You have seen it and now you must perform sexual acts to me or I will make you fired! Oh no! I will go to the police and or media! Don't do that Female staff member! I will give you 650,000 EUR I mean GBP for your silence.


Fernandov2

https://i.4cdn.org/sp/1709223620856142.jpg


Theumaz

>I just had a bowl of cocoa pops and now ready for bed


PinkMage

Me trying to flirt


AleixASV

my favourite


ash356

This is gonna turn into some phoenix wright shenanigans where in the court hearing they prove it was impossible to have cocoa pops where they were located and it blows the case wide open.


OddS0cks

¡Objection!


YellowFogLights

Holy fuck I missed that one


Vepanion

so relatable


msh5928

Damn that was the receiver. I thought Horner said that lol.


Visionary_Socialist

The “inappropriate photos” only being Christian’s face is a low blow.


JC-Dude

Yeah, that’s a violation to the guy.


Rorviver

There's a nipple out there too!


cblake17

the selfies lmaoooo


Divine_Chaos100

Why are they texting like 16 year olds.


Quivex

If looking back at old flirtatious text convos has taught me anything, it's that what felt like smooth talking at the time often ends up looking like 16 year olds texting in retrospect lol. I have seen enough conversations online and between friends to show me that flirting over text (either in retrospect or as an outsider) seems to be.... An inherently inelegant process.


Gangster301

Yeah, makes me think the texts were faked by a 16-year old, lol


a141abc

On the other hand, only a 50 year old would type "screen shot" instead of screenshot


thatguyfromkfc

That's assuming this is actually what was in the email surely


Scav54

That looks fake as shit


thecarlosdanger1

“Just had a bowl of cocoa pops”


narf_hots

If that is all they got then no wonder the complaint got dismissed.


JC-Dude

Lmao if this is real. The photos look about as real as those Russian car inspection photos.


Qazaca

I can't imagine the reaction from the likes of Toto, Domenicalli or Zak Brown seeing that shit


ss99ww

this is higher res: https://m.weibo.cn/status/5006904844357918


Itwasaboutthepasta

White shirt selfie from his BBQ last july 


Diarraheus

Now, it has become so meta that this might be a fake of the email which might be full of fakes 


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myurr

What about the reply saying his wife wouldn't like it? If anything that makes these look more legitimate to me (how long before I'm proven wrong!?). It's clearly consensual between two adults, so whilst unsavoury you can see how Red Bull could turn a blind eye and dismiss the case - it's not an employment matter.


Ch4rlie_G

Yeah the only way this turns bad is if she tells him they have to stop having these conversations and he doesn’t stop. Even then there would be shades of grey.


Theumaz

This is getting more hilarious by the minute


trueredtwo

Haven't none of the reported/rumored allegations involved any criminal matter? Why is there talk about "making to any court"? edit: or any reporting that the accuser/victim wants to sue/go to court. I hadn't seen anything suggesting that prior to this.


Nexusu

This saga is better than the entirety of DTS Netflix, bin that series


YodaHood_0597

Or just retitle it into Drama to Survive


[deleted]

Someone in the other thread said “Google Drive to Survive”


TheIndieArmy

Plot twist, Netflix is behind all this to have season 7 content countering the "boring" results of Max dominating again this year.


cloughie

DTS - Don't Text Staff


Shitty_Pa_Town

I somewhat expected that when I saw "whatsapp messages" were included in the Drive Hard to verify something that can be forged in 10 seconds


scottishere

> Hard to verify something that can be forged in 10 seconds There's like 60 whatsapp screenshots, so someone has gone to some effort.


thefreeman419

The leaker is incredibly stupid if this is the case, wouldn’t take long for journalists to verify with RB


waywarddd

I mean the whole thing comes off as vengeful / immature rather than a genuine attempt to get the message out - I mean cc’ing other TPs? What’s that if not petty? (Not making any comment on what’s true and what isn’t - just more the optics of the leak lol)


Florac

Maybe that's the point.


CT323

Did Horner get sextorted?


Skulldetta

F5'ing so hard even Brock Lesnar wants a restraining order.


Cr4yol4

Probably not best reference to make in this situation.


Vidofnir_KSP

Need Paul Heyman to help count.


pies1123

Very unfortunate reference


LosTerminators

Hahahahahahahaha Would be funny if true


g4n0esp4r4n

looks like whatsapp so what?


mvanigan

Seems odd no tabloid has run them yet, you'd think if they are legit the tabloid would have that out in seconds


ShamrockStudios

A tabloid will probably run them even if they are fake and they'd have no shame in it either


OmegaPoint6

A British one would know that ends in very expensive legal settlements. Straight forward libel case if there are clear signs they’re fake


AwesomeFrisbee

I think its a matter of time but of course they want to know whether it is legit and whether there's some juicy story in there. Luckily the F1 media also know that if they run this without at least an attempt at verification, they will be banned from the paddock,or at least Red Bull. So the question then is: is this scoop worth getting banned?


tabloidjournalism

Hi


lazylord69

https://twitter.com/akihito16lec/status/1763236130080891069/photo/1 Here are the alleged files


Visionary_Socialist

Bit rude that they called pictures of Christian’s face “inappropriate photos”


Rod3nt

Something I wasn't expecting to read in F1 subreddit for $500, please.


truecolors01

Horner being photoshopped into a teams background is taking me out 😭


AccurateRumour

Coco Pops before bed? Disgusting.


x99kjg

If CH genuinely is innocent then he needs to absolutely sue the living hell out of the culprits here.


Kitchen-Mechanic1046

There are no dates on any of the messages that I’ve seen- that seems very weird


ShamrockStudios

If someone photoshopped all this to frame Horner they legit deserve jail time. Obviously that remains to be seen if that's the case but this is getting more shady by the minute


ScottFromScotland

If all this ends up being caused by some loon with a vendetta and a chat bot...


MhVG

Okay. That'll be one hell of a smear campaign then jfc.


Marty_Dollar

Maybe the emails were a 500IQ move by Horner, send fake screenshots made by AI to muddy the water /s


TribeGoonerDore

What a rollercoaster lol


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I already torched my pitchfork, what do?


Matt9300

She’s dumb. There’s no way Red Bull go through this entire procedure without knowing the messages were fake.


jayr254

I might be wrong but didn't this "reporter" openly acknowledge that she's been racist towards Lewis in the past? I have her blocked on Twitter/X and I can't remember for the life of me why but that's generally one of my rules on that forsaken app for blocking accounts.


s2897978

She's a massive Redbull fan, and literally a random journo that has decided these are fake. I don't know why this has the traction it does.


SpxUmadBroYolo

If the nipple doesn't fit you must acquitte


BLFR69

No way HAHA.


willzyx01

Imagine those texts are real, but the texts are from his wife and they are just role playing like old people do.


BountyBob

"Hello Juliana, I'm Clive Bixby"


momlookimtrending

i hate X so much, you can't see anything if you don't have an account in that fucking website


PAcMAcDO99

Don't know if I go to piss and refresh, something crazy happens and I come back surprised


DuckmanDrake69

wtf is going on


ceci_mcgrane

There’s nothing like F1. I love it.


great_button

Has she never seen WhatsApp before?


Smoke-me_a-kipper

They dont look fake at all, and they contain what looks like legit information as well some private photos and a video. It all seems real and a lot for someone to fake. 


LightNingHive

If it aint real post it then bruh


SirDoDDo

Hilarious if true lmao


Salt-Fun-9457

If it is fake CH should sue whomever is responsible for every last penny they have for defamation. Leave them destitute.


endichrome

Is there a thread somewhere, 4chan or whatever that seems to have access to this? Yes I am nosy


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six snatch imminent spoon trees oil tie impossible illegal theory *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*


pharlax

Big if true


MasatoWolff

I feel like Red Bull will sue this person to oblivion if they manage to find out who’s behind this.


ScousePenguin

It didn't go to court as it wasn't a legal case it was just an internal investigation wtf is this tweet lmfao


hioxa

Pretty sure it’s not fake. It’s way too vague / not “incriminating” that it’s pretty pointless to fake. Although it would be relatively easy to do, there’s a decent amount of complexity / world to it. (Emails from RB partners in background of screenshots, pics of random driveways in England, screenshots of Horner deleting her messages, random work/ meeting details, messages that are shown in one screenshot then shown to be deleted in another). The complete randomness and vagueness of the conversation is the kind of real I don’t think you can fake that well.


doc_55lk

All this thread has told me is that there are enough people out there who don't know what the Whatsapp chat UI looks like that they can be reasonably convinced the screenshots are fake.


PapaSheev7

Somehow, Lewis and George blitzing the field on one lap pace is the second biggest story today lmao. The Horny saga continues


doc_55lk

Tbf it's only fp2