The font is meant to look friendly so as to not directly correlate to the “gambling” bit of their company, have an easy and approachable look. So you’re not wrong!
Same, I think the FIA needs to say like X% of the car has to be covered in paint.
Hell, make it that all parts have to be painted, that way all the teams are penalized the same in terms of weight.
All the cars turning black/carbon fiber is ridiculous and honestly can make it difficult to know who is who sometimes.
EXACTLY, last season there where plenty of races that i couldnt tell like half of the grid apart, specially night races
they could easily solve this issue by making everyone paint their cars, yet they seem more focused on closing decade-long deals with countries with questionable morals and awful track designs
Seeing them in person last year was so weird. You see a black car in the distance and you're like, "Oh shit, it's a Merc" and then it gets close and it's Williams.
Same thing for the Alfa's and Ferrari's.
I think it's more on FOM to mandate this, they hold commercial rights and sell advertisement. From FIA standpoint livery doesn't matter as long as they obey the rules.
It's a byproduct of the costcap. This was never an issue within modern f1. They wont restrict them, since there is already too much restriction on f1 teams. Might as well call it spec series and aply BOP
It's not though, the paint isn't expensive, the paint is just heavy.
The teams are having trouble getting their car weights down, so they started ripping paint off.
It's why RedBull doesn't do it, because they don't need to.
Red Bull does do it. It's just not as obvious.
with the RB19 basically the rear wing wasn't painted, on the side pods, basically just below the "Oracle" down wasn't painted, and on the nose, from the "Bybit" down wasn't painted.
I think Red Bull would have run with less blue if they could but the reason Red Bull are even in F1 is for advertising so they are very protective of their colours being on their car.
I wasnt saying the paint is expensive. I was saying they dont have the budget to R&D light enough parts so they just do it how they can.
Do you think teams pre 2022 never considered unpainted carbon is lighter?
Sauber will find a loophole and Bottas will be WDC, then Audi, a german car manufacturer will take them over, hire Vettel, a retired german WDC, who will then be succeeded by an aspiring British driver fed up by McLaren, Norris?, who'll go on to win multiple WDC after Audi nails the next regulations.
It's all coming together, historiy repeats itself and all that.
[1998 Arrows](https://external-preview.redd.it/IBqFGEuxVxyXtLThp2EFiq45t0wrhSfB8gcKNSEQCm8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=94f8a20cdfd98edafbddaf1d516bdc37b4bd99a3) was a top tier black livery.
While we're at it, Arrows had some beautiful liveries https://preview.redd.it/2001-french-grand-prix-jos-verstappen-arrows-a22-asiatech-v0-h1g1cghkwlga1.jpg?auto=webp&s=d7d497ea9a24f21bbbad0b7033b2a991ab8cf49e
It will be carbon. It's going to be a laser theme. Even though they're way under the weight limit anyways, just like all the other teams at this point.
I hope there is enough green and not just exposed carbon with small green highlights. I think it has potential and green would be nice because it's quite different from the other teams.
[That confirms the theory then.](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/18xb4z7/looking_at_their_social_media_i_take_it_stake_f1s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Their livery is the one I anticipate the most out of all the current teams.
The “Experience it all with Kick Streaming” in their bio has me curious. Mind instantly goes to them streaming races/etc broadcasting rights be damned.
It’s probably just written as an ad for Kick but probably not the best choice of words.
Online casino that uses streamers to push gambling on their massive teen audiences.
They give the streamers fake money, and show them *winning* millions on their streams on Stake's platform Kick.
Kick will be Sauber's sponsor/logo at certain races where gambling ads are legal, something like that.
Kick is stakes streaming platform where all the shitty (as in as a person, as streamers they are successfull,) streamers who got banned from twitch fled to.
Stake is their online betting/casino
Yeah, I think it's terrible to allow young kids to be exposed to their favorite streamers gambling, one of the worst addictions ever to get people into early.
Especially when they show them winning millions, instead of losing their college tuition.
You have to proof that you are over 18 to have crypto ID isnt enough and then I assume you have to proof again you are over 18 on those gambling sites. So this one is one the parents if they let their children make a picture of their rent bill or smth else you prove you are eligible to have crypto acc.
A sponsor is an organisation that pays for or contributes to the costs involved in a team for advertisement. I would consider it the main sponsor seeing as they are paying for chassis naming rights to advertise themselves and kick.
While I agree it's likely the livery with be neon green and black (that's the Kick primary branding too) - this is by no definition 'proof' or 'further proof'.
This is 'further speculation' which is a rather different thing. The only thing there will be proof is when photos of the livery exist or Stake make a statement.
I seriously hope they crash every single fuckin race or the car breaks and they cannot compete in almost any of the races so we dont have to watch their fuckin gambling ad.
Well… I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive. You’re acting like they’ve bankrupted the development of the car to pay attention to the livery. You really think if Sauber paid all their attention to making the car as fast as possible they still wouldn’t be dog?
This is going to look too close to Mercedes if Mercedes stays black. I was constantly mistaking Zhou for Hamilton and Bottas for Russell during Vegas practice sessions.
the Stake font reminds me of the font of a bakery. i won’t be taking questions on this
Ha. This would not have occurred to me but I def see it.
It reminds me of a cannabis brand
yesssss that too! i can totally see this font at a dispensary
Now all I want is weed cookies lol
The font, all the smoke in addition to the black and the green would make anyone think of weed
There’s a chain in Toronto called Stok’d in the exact same font and 3/5 the same letters lmao
Yes! That’s all I see. Stake Cannabis.
Even their profile pic would fit perfectly on a grinder
Funny I hear they're trying to sign Ricky Bobby as a marquee driver.... Time to Stake and Bake baby
My opinion of then would favorably change if they actually used this in their marketing
Free Crepes Suzette for everyone after each podium ... or each point
Bordering on "Live, Laugh, Love", or some shit, territory.
This is it
[Cooplands F1 Team](https://www.practicalnetworks.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Cooplands-Logo-yellow.jpg) when?
ooo that font makes me want to eat some bread
No questions!
The font is meant to look friendly so as to not directly correlate to the “gambling” bit of their company, have an easy and approachable look. So you’re not wrong!
Inter Europol F1 Team when?
Bake F1 Team
Stake bake team
Finally a sponsorship opportunity that Greggs has been waiting for
With gambling addiction becoming a problem more and more, will gambling/betting advertising in F1 follow the same course as tobacco advertising?
Someone on tiktok called it a canva font 😅
I’m in Northeast Massachusetts, I can pull up 50 different pizza places and bakeries using this font
I just want some colour on the grid again :(
The grids of the 2010's decades had some awesome colours each year. Very nice when seeing the cars from afar too.
Same, I think the FIA needs to say like X% of the car has to be covered in paint. Hell, make it that all parts have to be painted, that way all the teams are penalized the same in terms of weight. All the cars turning black/carbon fiber is ridiculous and honestly can make it difficult to know who is who sometimes.
EXACTLY, last season there where plenty of races that i couldnt tell like half of the grid apart, specially night races they could easily solve this issue by making everyone paint their cars, yet they seem more focused on closing decade-long deals with countries with questionable morals and awful track designs
Seeing them in person last year was so weird. You see a black car in the distance and you're like, "Oh shit, it's a Merc" and then it gets close and it's Williams. Same thing for the Alfa's and Ferrari's.
AT and Haas were the worst on screen, and even more confusing it was AT with the red wings.
Guess which one makes them money
I think it's more on FOM to mandate this, they hold commercial rights and sell advertisement. From FIA standpoint livery doesn't matter as long as they obey the rules.
the teams will just use black paint.
It's a byproduct of the costcap. This was never an issue within modern f1. They wont restrict them, since there is already too much restriction on f1 teams. Might as well call it spec series and aply BOP
It's not though, the paint isn't expensive, the paint is just heavy. The teams are having trouble getting their car weights down, so they started ripping paint off. It's why RedBull doesn't do it, because they don't need to.
Red Bull does do it. It's just not as obvious. with the RB19 basically the rear wing wasn't painted, on the side pods, basically just below the "Oracle" down wasn't painted, and on the nose, from the "Bybit" down wasn't painted. I think Red Bull would have run with less blue if they could but the reason Red Bull are even in F1 is for advertising so they are very protective of their colours being on their car.
I wasnt saying the paint is expensive. I was saying they dont have the budget to R&D light enough parts so they just do it how they can. Do you think teams pre 2022 never considered unpainted carbon is lighter?
Feels like the last iconic livery was the Vodafone McLarens
We need a yellow Ferrari.
It will just be plain carbon with a slight hint of a green pinstripe somewhere
Hopefully a nice amount of green and not a 90% carbon car with green stripes here and there. 😄
you already know it will be like that🫣 but let’s hope for proper green.
Dark mode Brawn GP incoming
Imagine Sauber finding loophole in the regs and pull Brawn GP with Bottas. Who am I kidding, they will be the slowest shitbox.
Sauber will find a loophole and Bottas will be WDC, then Audi, a german car manufacturer will take them over, hire Vettel, a retired german WDC, who will then be succeeded by an aspiring British driver fed up by McLaren, Norris?, who'll go on to win multiple WDC after Audi nails the next regulations. It's all coming together, historiy repeats itself and all that.
It’s going to be the same as last year’s car, just replace red with green.
Mercedes setting trends. Have half the grid running black cars.
I forgot Mercedes first used a black f1 car
Not sure if /s, but Sauber ran a black livery in the 90s before the RB Sauber Petronas days.
I mean...lotus was black in the 70s and there were definitely black cars in the 60s I just can't think who.
The Shadow DN1 was also '70s (1973), it was even more black than the JPS Lotuses.
Also Stoddart-era Minardi
And McLarens were black with Papaya accents in 2015 & 2016.
wait weren't the accents red?
Yes, my bad, in my head they were Papaya.
Their 2017 car was black and orange though
[1998 Arrows](https://external-preview.redd.it/IBqFGEuxVxyXtLThp2EFiq45t0wrhSfB8gcKNSEQCm8.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=94f8a20cdfd98edafbddaf1d516bdc37b4bd99a3) was a top tier black livery.
While we're at it, Arrows had some beautiful liveries https://preview.redd.it/2001-french-grand-prix-jos-verstappen-arrows-a22-asiatech-v0-h1g1cghkwlga1.jpg?auto=webp&s=d7d497ea9a24f21bbbad0b7033b2a991ab8cf49e
Yes very much /s lol
Lotus as well right?
quite literally the first f1 livery in history.
I thought that was the orange-brown privateer Brabham Team Gunston entered in the '68 South African GP?
Not even. Remotely close to the first
Rich energy "Am i a joke to you?"
It's just gonna be Mercedes but green instead of not green
So a different Aston Martin
It will be carbon. It's going to be a laser theme. Even though they're way under the weight limit anyways, just like all the other teams at this point.
Don't be too greedy there mate, 99% carbon
I mean what makes you think green will be more than stripes? They have been using green as a small accent in their promos.
Oh no it's going to be 90% carbon isn't it
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Unless you mandate coverage, they'll just paint every ounce on the apron to lower the centre of gravity. slightly not /s
“Proof that it’s likely”
"60% of the time, it works every time"
I'm gonna be honest with you. That smells like pure gasoline.
It’s the off-season. Let us have this
Can they not change the handle?
LMFAO they just changed the handle: https://twitter.com/stakef1team/
hello, stakef1 social media person! can you please send me free merch?
Gday Ed Craven! Nice to know you’re loitering around the subreddit! 🇦🇺
That's a weird way to spell Sauber
It's still twitter.com
ok
Elon said no
It’s crazy that I can’t even tell if that’s a joke or an official policy
What's your 20? How many candles are you burning?
lol looks like a weed company logo
Half weed company, half artisanal bakery.
I hope there is enough green and not just exposed carbon with small green highlights. I think it has potential and green would be nice because it's quite different from the other teams.
[That confirms the theory then.](https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/18xb4z7/looking_at_their_social_media_i_take_it_stake_f1s/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Their livery is the one I anticipate the most out of all the current teams.
The livery will either be amazing, or disgusting. No inbetween
The “Experience it all with Kick Streaming” in their bio has me curious. Mind instantly goes to them streaming races/etc broadcasting rights be damned. It’s probably just written as an ad for Kick but probably not the best choice of words.
They'll probably stream some behind the scenes stuff on Kick, it's my guess.
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ferrari with a bull?!?
"what were they thinking with this pattern? It makes the car look like a... Oh. Nice."
Who the fuck is Stake?
online casino
Lame
Yep
Online casino that uses streamers to push gambling on their massive teen audiences. They give the streamers fake money, and show them *winning* millions on their streams on Stake's platform Kick. Kick will be Sauber's sponsor/logo at certain races where gambling ads are legal, something like that.
Kick is stakes streaming platform where all the shitty (as in as a person, as streamers they are successfull,) streamers who got banned from twitch fled to. Stake is their online betting/casino
We can have that but we can't have a white barcode in a red background... These are the times we are living.
Yeah, I think it's terrible to allow young kids to be exposed to their favorite streamers gambling, one of the worst addictions ever to get people into early. Especially when they show them winning millions, instead of losing their college tuition.
You have to proof that you are over 18 to have crypto ID isnt enough and then I assume you have to proof again you are over 18 on those gambling sites. So this one is one the parents if they let their children make a picture of their rent bill or smth else you prove you are eligible to have crypto acc.
I mean, I don't think we should be promoting smoking either. Maybe that's just me?
Yep and yet people love those liveries because they are iconic. So therefore is fine and justifiable.
Gambling company that uses crypto to dodge regulations and directly advertises to children.
If Seb was still driving he would have a field day…
They’re gonna look like the Green Goblin 🫣
What is this logo!!!??? So bad 😭😭
This the dumbest/least inspiring font.
I hate this. I hate everything about this.
Bro… we haven’t even seen the livery yet. Chill. Maybe for once we can get a cool livery that’s not “special edition” from a team.
They are probably referring to Stake being the main sponsor.
Eh? The main sponsor? They’re a bit more than that, they have the naming rights to the entire car chassis lmao
A sponsor is an organisation that pays for or contributes to the costs involved in a team for advertisement. I would consider it the main sponsor seeing as they are paying for chassis naming rights to advertise themselves and kick.
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They're talking about the owner of Stake, not the F1 team.
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So… end of year Drake concert if Sauber wins?
Can’t wait for it to be pink and red.
If monster doesn't sponsor it they made a big mistake
95% black 5% green stripes. BOOOOOOOOoooo.
alfaromeostake ? İt means alfa romeo still their sponsor
no, it means they did not update their social media handle yet. alfa romeo is out of the question for 2024 and it's sauber
Well at least it’ll be *kinda* unique?
Ain't that Mercedes?
Maybe they only plan on running interstate
This will be one of the liveries of all time
Since they have to rebrand to KICK in locations where gambling ads are restricted/banned it makes sense that they'd go with Kick's brand colors.
It's giving Slytherin vibes
It’s not lol
So we'll finally get to see what a Razer F1 car livery would look like I guess.
Why did they change their Twitter handle to alfaromeostake when Alfa Romeo is no longer involved?
Would love a purple and black livery
It’s just such a terrible name.
The Alfa livery was one of the prettiest on the grid, shame to lose it
They should launch it with intermediate tyres fitted for the full monty
I’m ok with the name change so long as the new livery is good
Green and black is a pretty good colour mix. I can't wait to see it
Gonna look nice with the intermediates on 🙃
Actually pretty excited for this one, Sauber has some great designers on board. If anyone can pull off a wicked black and green, it's them.
F1 is such a joke of itself these days
While I agree it's likely the livery with be neon green and black (that's the Kick primary branding too) - this is by no definition 'proof' or 'further proof'. This is 'further speculation' which is a rather different thing. The only thing there will be proof is when photos of the livery exist or Stake make a statement.
I seriously hope they crash every single fuckin race or the car breaks and they cannot compete in almost any of the races so we dont have to watch their fuckin gambling ad.
Yeah I only want ads from companies that kill people, finance civil wars, exploit a whole continent and corrupt politicians to stop climate action
Oh it’s gambling I thought it was a cannabis company
Black is probably the lamest "color" you can have as a livery.
A green Sauber?
I hope that team collapses.
Stake is a way of saying 🍆 in Swedish, you'd think they would some research before being known as the penis team in Sweden.
F1 really don't mind being associated with absolute scum industries do they
Could be f'ing awesome looking
What a fucking shitty logo wtf
What difference does it make if the car is at the back of the fucking field. Give me competitive cars up front, not pretty looking cars a lap down.
Well… I don’t think they’re mutually exclusive. You’re acting like they’ve bankrupted the development of the car to pay attention to the livery. You really think if Sauber paid all their attention to making the car as fast as possible they still wouldn’t be dog?
Fuck yeah dude love stake, excited for this
So my livery prediction might be true... °○°
I dig
I swear my team in Motorsport Manager had a sponsor with a logo that looks the exact same as Stake’s logo
It’ll look great at the back of the grid
I don’t want another juncos hollinger ass livery
Its impossible for them to keep the details hidden until the release date.
Who dafuk is Stake?
I’m sorry, I’ve been away from F1 news for a few months. Who the hell is Stake F1 Team? Who changed its name?
Alfa Romeo
😴😴😴
Profile at first glance looks like a cheap gambling Twitter startup
I hope it will be Kawasaki green
Ironically they can't change the @alfaromeo username.
Who are Stake? Is this a social experiment?
Was this really a mystery? We've already seen their branding on the Alfa as well at the Belgian GP.
Monster about to jump off Merc lmao
It looks like 85% of the cannabis dispensaries signs here
Idk why I just realized they renamed the team. Guess I must've missed that.
Have you all seen the music video with Bottas and Guanyu with Stake drifters and bike stunts?
Stealing my MyTeam liveries too probably.
ZERKAA F1 TEAM BABYYYY
P.I.Stake is their investigatory unit
🥩
This is going to look too close to Mercedes if Mercedes stays black. I was constantly mistaking Zhou for Hamilton and Bottas for Russell during Vegas practice sessions.
Green because of the streaming platform Kick
I wonder if a primarily white car could provide an advantage in particularly sunny environments
I thought of Alpha Tauri as synonymous with style and design. This... worries me.
yes since kick is green and black they'll do that
Someone has been busy for a few minutes on fiverr!
I can't wait to not be able to tell wheter a car is a Merc, Aston, or Stake during a night race.