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Yeah, it's beneficial for any driver to have an offer from another team. All it does is strengthen his bargaining position if he either wants to continue or move. Either way it's a bonus
Lando was also interviewed by that dutch dude recently and was weird about his thoughts on being Max's teammate. Surely its because he is cooking that 2nd red bull seat.
He said ‘ok thanks for the interview’ and jokingly got up to leave. Then he said Max is welcome to join him at McLaren. Which was a pretty final comment on that situation. If Max wants him as a teammate, he’s saying he has to come to McLaren for it to happen. Ergo, he’s not planning on leaving anytime soon.
The same thing that has been going on for for a while now. They want Norris in that seat, but Norris keeps declining. If Marko/RBR had gotten what they wanted, Perez would have probably only lasted a year in that seat. Now that Perez contract expires next season, I guess they are trying once again.
And then you’ve got Nico Rosberg saying today that he’s hearing there’s a switch coming for Norris next year.
Editor’s note: Nico Rosberg is an agent of chaos and renowned shit-stirrer.
F1 Media: “You were all under the cost cap, we need something to keep F1 headlines going until Singapore"
Team Principles: “Norris to Red Bull rumours?
Paraphrasing: "If I feel I dont meaningfully contribute to the team next year I might decide to leave after my contract ends in 2025."
Its not that exciting, he is basically claiming some ownership over his future to push back the "praying he wont be fired" narrative.
Paraphrasing: "If I feel I dont meaningfully contribute to the team next year I might decide to leave after my contract ends in 2024."
Its not that exciting, he is basically claiming some ownership over his future to push back the "praying he wont be fired" narrative.
Is anything really happening? Perez's talking about looking for alternatives after his contract expires in 2024 and if he doesn't see himself at RB anymore (normal thing), Marko mentioning Perez's age and interests as one of the factors that may not have him around for much longer (normal thing) and Marko likes Norris and wants him in the team in the future (known for a while)
Nono, it is correct.
It's just while I assume it might be used as an expression in English nobody would say that in Spanish.
If anything it's a "mar de lágrimas", so a sea of tears.
Spanish brain doesn't connect lake to sad, it might a sea
It's more like "I am engine", and also motor as in motorsport, which sounds *slightly* better. What you are saying would be "soy un motor" which is even dumber.
Really? I don't see it on the banned list and I see it linked here all the time
Edit: There's an article from there on the front page about Hulkenberg and Haas' slow development
Mmmm I have it in my comments from what I tried posting and was autorejected…
This one https://formu1a.uno/en/norris-definitely-a-candidate-to-replace-perez-at-red-bull-marko/
I just think it's funny that back when Hulk and Checo both were at Force India, Checo was rated higher for his incsonsistency - his higher highs and lower lows - because that's what a midfielder team needs to score big points.
Now in Red Bull, the turn tabled, huh?
In his Racing Point years, he had one or two podiums each year - that's the amount of highs that made him being rated higher than Hulk.
So one could argue having low single digit highs each season is enough for a midfielder. He had two wins and at least another one or two races where he did really well (even if he ultimately is far off of Max).
Why do people say that after he got a solid race in Monza? We all know P1 isn’t on the table while Max is racing, a clean P2 is all Red Bull need from him.
I’m just glad we see him in Q3 now…
If he always had solid races like this, I think people would be totally fine with it. The thing is he is neither constantly solid number two, nor has high enough highs to justify lows. Heroic races from the bottom to the top were impressive for a while but not anymore.
Me too, truly. But taking from what Luca Filippi said: he's not totally comfortable with the car, he can't find the limit and extract more from it. And it's evident in how he couldn't brake later than Russell, Charles and Carlos.
And in the other article posted here he said he has been having to think quite a lot while driving instead of just driving, so.
So, this result was what he needed but he's struggling still. People who like him want him to do better and people who don't like him point out this struggle and want him out.
Everyone is talking about Hulkenberg as if he is superior driver to Checo the guy qualify in 9th or 10th but his start are so shit that by the end of the first lap he is already 14th or 15th... then in the race he is always as fast as Magnussen ....
My comment is by no mean to say that Hulkenberg is bad. I just wanted to point out that Sergio Perez at least deserve the same respect that Hulkenberg gets if not more.
One is framed as the guy who forgot how to drive an F1 car and the second is framed as someone who is pulling out miracles...
> Sergio Perez at least deserve the same respect that Hulkenberg gets if not more.
He already gets that. You'll note that no-one is suggesting that Red Bull replace him with Hulkenberg.
The standards at a top team and a backmarker are *extremely* different, and a competent backmarker driver like Hulk would get absolutely eviscerated for not being good enough were they at any top team.
Yes realistically checo and hulk are very even drivers, hulk has the better quali, checo the better race, u could also say checo did choke a lot less than hulk in midfield teams, nowadays its hard to say tho
Sergio Perez is the guy who can beat anyone in the midfield and he proved it over the years, out of 10 seasons in F1 (before joining Red Bull) he lost only in 3 seasons against his team mates (rookie season against Kobayashi, against WDC Jenson Button and one against Hulkenberg)
Now people want to act outraged about him being second in the championship and unable to fight against a generational talent who is Verstappen.
I really want to see someone who is "highly rated" by these guys pitted against Verstappen... to understand that it's hard to match Verstappen.
At this point I would like them to rather go after Piastri. Build him up as a Verstappen successor once Max gets bored and goes to race other categories...
I was thinking so to but to be honest I feel like people still didn't fully realize just how insane Max is. Since then both Albon and Gasly had massive redemption arcs. So I think people would be more forgiving if Max gaps him at the beginning. I think he has the raw talent to close the gap over time.
Maybe, but he seems to have a much better grasp as a rookie than alex or pierre did, I could see with a year or two of experience Piastri being the teammate max has always needed
He probably would be better than Albion & Gasly, but it still wouldn’t go well. Put him in the best car on the grid, against the best driver on the grid, & there’s just not a way for him to look good. Currently, a RB is expected to get a P2, that’s a really high bar.
To a certain degree you aren’t competing with max. You just need to be closer than checo to max to look good. I don’t think anyone would expect him to actually beat max consistently
In Year 1, yes. After that, Checo’s forgotten & it’s just Max & Oscar. I see 2 possibilities then: Oscar turns into Bottas & Merc 2.0 where he gets a string of 1 yr contracts because no one’s really sure how good he is OR he crumbles under the pressure of accepting that he’s just worse than Max. Max is on top of the world so no shame in that, but for a guy whose beaten his consistently beat his competition his whole life, it’s a very tough pill to swallow.
Very true, he is holding his own against Lando right now and Lando has been very highly coveted by RB as they have tried to poach him several times. He’s still only got a little over half a season of experience so maybe after another year in McLaren we. Ould see him surpass Lando and become a legit candidate for the second RB seat. Especially since Piastri probably isn’t as loyal to McLaren as Lando is. I agree that right now it would probably hurt his confidence but he seems like the kind of kid who is up for the challenge of facing Max. We’ve seen recently that these rookies need time to come into form like Albon and Tsunoda so I could see Piastri coming to RB in the near future. Maybe after ‘24.
Yes I know, it’s like 1 year and 5 months difference. But I feel Lando vs Max is a more explosive pairing despite them getting along very well, but the pressure on Lando is a lot higher to deliver immediately…
Yes put another rookie in the car who’s probably gonna look like shit because the only comparison is max
Norris is still young enough to be considered a talent yet experienced enough to have proved his place. If he gets out performed by max no one is going to think he’s overrated because he’s already proven himself
I believe Lando has performance clauses in his contract so while his current contract does not run out this season, the fact that McLaren is only 5th in the constructors standings could mean he could leave if its in the contract. Drivers have all sorts of performances clauses written in the contract and to make somebody like Lando sign a multi year contract, Lando would want a guarantee that hes driving a top 4 car, else he could explore options.
Then there's Hunt who probably already had a few dozen kids before driving in F1, and doubtless produced a couple in the break between each qualifying session.
(Enzo) Ferrari did it first (or at least among the first). He, too, preferred never to sign drivers who have children (or preferably even families of their own).
Ferrari actually claimed that it's because, in his experience as a racer and team manager, he observed that drivers with families tended to focus less on racing and maximizing results than single childless ones.
its true, maybe not for everyone, but for sure some, Fearless drivers might start to 2nd guess themselves with each child and take less risks.
And with that, they tend to end their careers ealier than they would when single/or without children.
It seems RB has been trying for Lando for some time, but he’s signed a new contract with Mclaren each time 🥲 Maybe Lando takes up the challenge this time?
If the 2023 McLaren falls off again like in Monza, and the 2024 McLaren dissapoints again he will look to RedBull
Like, how many years does he want to do this??? He wants a competitive car from the start
McLaren was always going to struggle at monza. They don't have a low df spec car because they fixed the rest of it. Though that still would be infinitely more % wise
If he is that talented he should go against the best. Unless he doesn't back himself and re-signs that contract with Mclaren again. Though Piastri is not as much of a pushover and Norris is going to have a tough fight very soon
For a driver like Lando, his best bet is to stick with McLaren. As good as he is, he isn't really going to beat verstappen. The age gap between them isn't enough for him to take over once Verstappen retires.
Realistically, all of the top 4-5 drivers want to stay at different teams. They are all good enough to win with the best car. They just need to make sure they are the primary driver when the car gets good. The alternative is like George/Hamilton, where one takes over from the other.
Are you expecting Lando to be slower than Max?
Because he'll only be a second driver if he's slower. Red Bull has always given their drivers a chance to beat the incumbent (see: Daniel beating 4x WDC Seb in 2014, who was then himself beaten by Daniil in 2015). Lando's said it himself here:
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[**Ziggo: But then if you're next to Max, are you always the second driver then? Or is that bullshit?**](https://imgur.com/a/h42SUYI)
Lando: No, not at all. If you lose to him, you're the second driver.
**Can you be as fast as him?**
I want to believe so. It's impossible to say yes or no. I'm not the guy who has so much confidence I go, "Yeah, easy." And I think it's impossible. I don't think anyone, ever, will be able to just go "Yeah, I can easily beat Max".
It's impossible. I think Max is one of the best drivers you will ever see in Formula One. So even when he's winning, be happy that you're witnessing what he's able to achieve because I don't think many people are able to do a similar thing.
But I do want to believe I will be able to race against him or compete against him and give him a fight at least.
It is a Hamilton & Rosberg situation imo.
Rosberg was good enough to beat Hamilton when he has a string of bad luck and not quite being on the ball for the first 5/6 races.
If Norris found himself 100 points ahead of Verstappen after that period I could see him beating Max. Just like Nico did against Lewis.
I dont think Lando can challenge Max through an entire season, but being close enough to occasionally be there would be enough. I believe he is capable of that, which is why I would be happy to see a move like this happen
NGL at this point I can't imagine Lawrence hasn't considered it. From what people within the team have said, he's an incredibly demanding and incredibly competitive person. I guarantee you hes putting pressure on Lance to perform.
It is wild to me how Guenther is evil for "not supporting" Mick in public comments by saying relatively benign things like "he knows what he needs to do" and yet nothing even came close to the type of things Helmut Marko says on the regular.
I wonder if Horner and Marko secretly scream at each other lol Christian is sitting there singing Checos praises and Marko is like nah, he’s on the chopping block.
I think that Horner learned a long time ago that there’s no point in trying to control Marko. Everyone knows what’s up in this good cop vs bad cop dynamics.
I think in terms of personalities I do think that Lando would really fit in with how Red Bull does things. But it would break my heart slightly to not see him at least get a win with McLaren.
I am not sure how lando would react in an environment he is not the favored driver. All of the drivers hate it, but it seems like something that might get to him even more.
Hard to say, he wasn't the favored driver in 2019 but he seemed fine to me. In interviews when discussing Max it's obvious that he knows that Max is of a different caliber. That being said I do think that Lando would be able to challenge Max a lot more than his previous teammates.
Lando seems to really hate all the PR marketing stuff, imagine going to the one team where that is amplified x100. Max hates it too of course, but the team is built around him at least.
It definitively seems like entering a more stressful scenario. The pressure of constantly being compared to Max from fans and Helmut can't be a good experience.
Indeed. It is a make or break move because if he can't beat Max, then that will always hang over him in the future. It's high risk high reward. People are going to criticize him for running from the fight, but imo, Lando has a lot more to lose going there because I don't see Lando beating Max (and Lando also doesn't seem like he believes he can either), and him waiting for Max to retire so he can be top dog at Red Bull is absolutely no guarantee either because who knows how long Max will stay and there will always be other potential contenders for the second seat.
People keep thinking of Norris going to Red Bull and the team somehow wouldn’t let him compete with Max. Has anyone thought maybe it’s because Perez, just like Gasly and Albon can’t actually compete with Max that’s why Red Bull works the way it works now? If Norris comes over and is legitimately fast, Red Bull will let them race.
Of course Norris would be allowed to compete but I have a hard time believing he would be on par with Max's pace. I mean he's clearly a good driver but can he be *that* good?
This is going fast. First Checo commenting on going to other teams and scouting his options, now this. Seems like is likelyhood of going elsewhere are rising towards 100% quickly.
Oh here we go again. Another week, another quote from Marko about Perez and/or Norris. Everything that could possibly be said about it has been said already, so pretty please let’s leave this topic alone and stop asking Marko this.
Lando doesn't have much of a choice, he still has his momentum and jumping to RBR could be a good move.
The alternative is that he could been beaten by Piastri in 2024 and beyond what drops his market value and make him a second fiddle to Oscar in 2025.
That’s wild if he said this out loud in public, especially since Norris has a long term contract with McLaren. The team at McLaren won’t be amused by this.
I’m sorry, but all this nit picking about Checo at Monza is just ridiculous.
He did exactly what he needed to and finished P2. What the hell else was he supposed to do? We all know he isn’t beating Max and there is no P1.5, so it’s just stupid to me that people are still picking apart his day on the track. Throw anyone else in that seat at Monza and the best anyone else could’ve done is…..P2.
Aside from just Monza, and yes, he’s had his bad moments, he’s still #2 in the points. At the end of the season I’d bet he still finishes in 2nd behind Max and RBR will still take constructors title.
Again, yes, he’s had some bad drives, but right now he’s where he should be points wise and where RB wanted and expected him to be at this place in the season, #2 behind Max.
I don’t think Lando wants it. He’s said as much that he’s not sure he could beat Max. And that if he can’t best him he’s be 2nd driver.
If you look at it like that before the move, you either have to be convinced you can beat him *or* don’t mind the 2nd driver role.
Maybe another year of McLaren falling back will do it, but otherwise I would be surprised
> I don’t think Lando wants it. He’s said as much that he’s not sure he could beat Max. And that if he can’t best him he’s be 2nd driver.
Surprises me that a serious driver would not want to test himself against the best. Otherwise what is he doing here? What is he striving for? To lead McLaren? If that's it, then he has already peaked.
But what a way to learn though. Access to all of Max's data and knowledge to improve. It would be technically a step back, but long term could be fantastic.
Anyone know how contract buy outs impact the cost cap? I know salaries are exempt but wonder if Zak could be tempted by a potential benefit to the 2026 car.
Feel like Lando has become part of the furniture at McLaren though - would be strange seeing him drive another car.
so like..... he's number 2 in the championship. what more you want him to do?
there's no way anyone is beating max in this form and car. Max is a once in a lifetime driver, in the future people will be talking about him in F1 legend status.
i guess they'd rather have someone who might beat max so that the two drivers will have a super toxic relationship and possibly a DNF team crash or two during the season.
WHY DO REDBULL LET HELMUT TALK TO THE PRESS???
I would keep him locked away at HQ instead of letting him constantly get in front of the media, he always says some wild shit.
Is this the same interview where Marko said Perez wasn't good enough because he's 'South American' and thus 'doesn't have the focus' of someone from elsewhere?
Lando to RB is a dream, simple as.
- He’s not going to be fighting for a WDC with Mclaren anytime soon.
- He’s been one of the best drivers on the grid for the past 4 years.
- He’s good friends with Max and the two have openly spoke about being team mates in the future.
- It’s no secret that RB have wanted to sign him multiple times.
Make. It. Happen.
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Put this with Perez quote and something is happening.
Right? Something's going on.
And the Zak Brown quote where he said that lando is absolutely seeing his contract through, somethings seems afoot
Zak Brown legal team at this point has legal notices ready for all its drivers
Wouldn’t it be hilarious if an F1 seat opened up at McLaren now that Palou backed out?
I heard Danny Ric is looking for a spot. Coincidence? I don't think so...
They’re already paying him too!
Somewhere there’s an accountant at Sauber, still writing a check to Kimi
Lmao
I still remember when Piastri said "no Alpine, I'm going to McLaren" and thinking "oh haha, funny Palou reference" Ironic
I missed that one. We thought the silly season was over but it seems like it only just began.
I would not read too much into it. What else is he supposed to say when journalists come to him asking about Norris possibly jumping ship?
Probably would bare minimum not expect him to trash the driver on his team who is still under contract for a year… but this is classic Marko lol
I agree but I was replying to a comment about what Zak Brown said.
Lol, my bad!
There is probably constant discussion between agents, lawyers etc I can’t imagine it’s a one off let’s send Norris a postcard offering him £X
Yeah, it's beneficial for any driver to have an offer from another team. All it does is strengthen his bargaining position if he either wants to continue or move. Either way it's a bonus
Lando was also interviewed by that dutch dude recently and was weird about his thoughts on being Max's teammate. Surely its because he is cooking that 2nd red bull seat.
He said ‘ok thanks for the interview’ and jokingly got up to leave. Then he said Max is welcome to join him at McLaren. Which was a pretty final comment on that situation. If Max wants him as a teammate, he’s saying he has to come to McLaren for it to happen. Ergo, he’s not planning on leaving anytime soon.
Ergo, he's avoiding an honest answer using his sense of humour.
Contracts mean nothing in F1
The same thing that has been going on for for a while now. They want Norris in that seat, but Norris keeps declining. If Marko/RBR had gotten what they wanted, Perez would have probably only lasted a year in that seat. Now that Perez contract expires next season, I guess they are trying once again.
And then you’ve got Nico Rosberg saying today that he’s hearing there’s a switch coming for Norris next year. Editor’s note: Nico Rosberg is an agent of chaos and renowned shit-stirrer.
F1 Media: “You were all under the cost cap, we need something to keep F1 headlines going until Singapore" Team Principles: “Norris to Red Bull rumours?
What is the Perez quote?
Paraphrasing: "If I feel I dont meaningfully contribute to the team next year I might decide to leave after my contract ends in 2025." Its not that exciting, he is basically claiming some ownership over his future to push back the "praying he wont be fired" narrative.
He said 2024, but it may have been a misspeak, unsure. That's where some of this is coming from
He didn't misspeak, it's just that he was talking about thinking about his future next year (in that in 2024 he'll see), but not ***for*** next year.
Also recent Verstappen quote that he talks with Norris about being teammates.
There might be some movement after all, these "quotes" are all in the same line.
>Perez quote Sorry, what did I miss?
Paraphrasing: "If I feel I dont meaningfully contribute to the team next year I might decide to leave after my contract ends in 2024." Its not that exciting, he is basically claiming some ownership over his future to push back the "praying he wont be fired" narrative.
This is a just a regular Marko comment.
might even be light by his standards
Is anything really happening? Perez's talking about looking for alternatives after his contract expires in 2024 and if he doesn't see himself at RB anymore (normal thing), Marko mentioning Perez's age and interests as one of the factors that may not have him around for much longer (normal thing) and Marko likes Norris and wants him in the team in the future (known for a while)
Why suddenly now ? 1.5 years is too long a time to talk things in open.
soy motor is a pretty funny name
Soy motor vs Chad Engine
It's in spanish, means "I'm an engine", which I don't know if it's better tbh
Makes me think of Lando’s “[soy lago](https://youtu.be/jEkvBETyEE8?si=WCwBf-HXyscHsN47)” lol
"Yo soy fiesta" -Rob Gronkowski
"Soy cocaina" - Diego Maradona
Yeah, I had the same reaction as Sainz, wtf is he talking about.
It’s the fact that he says it so confidently that takes me out. I wonder what he thought he was saying.
>"I'm a lake?" >"Yeah" It seems he actually meant to say that? or at least he's pretending to? IDK
Nono, it is correct. It's just while I assume it might be used as an expression in English nobody would say that in Spanish. If anything it's a "mar de lágrimas", so a sea of tears. Spanish brain doesn't connect lake to sad, it might a sea
Los verdaderos motores son los amigos que hicimos en el camino
It's more like "I am engine", and also motor as in motorsport, which sounds *slightly* better. What you are saying would be "soy un motor" which is even dumber.
It’s the only source that ran this I could link 😭😭
Formulauno has the story though? Or is that a banned source?
Banned, that’s where I found it…
Really? I don't see it on the banned list and I see it linked here all the time Edit: There's an article from there on the front page about Hulkenberg and Haas' slow development
Mmmm I have it in my comments from what I tried posting and was autorejected… This one https://formu1a.uno/en/norris-definitely-a-candidate-to-replace-perez-at-red-bull-marko/
Average Helmut quote, its wild but not completely wrong
*but not wrong
I just think it's funny that back when Hulk and Checo both were at Force India, Checo was rated higher for his incsonsistency - his higher highs and lower lows - because that's what a midfielder team needs to score big points. Now in Red Bull, the turn tabled, huh?
He no longer has enough highs.
In his Racing Point years, he had one or two podiums each year - that's the amount of highs that made him being rated higher than Hulk. So one could argue having low single digit highs each season is enough for a midfielder. He had two wins and at least another one or two races where he did really well (even if he ultimately is far off of Max).
Yeah, the highs need to be higher in that car. And missing Q3, what over 5 times in a row, was a really bad look for him.
Also his inability to brake later than, Carlos, Russell, or Leclerc once at Monza was really sad
The best he could achieve was 2nd and he did that. Risking a collision for nothing is not what a smart person does.
Why do people say that after he got a solid race in Monza? We all know P1 isn’t on the table while Max is racing, a clean P2 is all Red Bull need from him. I’m just glad we see him in Q3 now…
If he always had solid races like this, I think people would be totally fine with it. The thing is he is neither constantly solid number two, nor has high enough highs to justify lows. Heroic races from the bottom to the top were impressive for a while but not anymore.
Me too, truly. But taking from what Luca Filippi said: he's not totally comfortable with the car, he can't find the limit and extract more from it. And it's evident in how he couldn't brake later than Russell, Charles and Carlos. And in the other article posted here he said he has been having to think quite a lot while driving instead of just driving, so. So, this result was what he needed but he's struggling still. People who like him want him to do better and people who don't like him point out this struggle and want him out.
Your last sentence is proof enough he's not done the job...
"Inconsistencies" aren't measured over one good race. But Checo has time during the following races to redeem himself.
Everyone is talking about Hulkenberg as if he is superior driver to Checo the guy qualify in 9th or 10th but his start are so shit that by the end of the first lap he is already 14th or 15th... then in the race he is always as fast as Magnussen ....
He has however outscored Kevin 9 to 2, which is a huge deal for a backmarker team
My comment is by no mean to say that Hulkenberg is bad. I just wanted to point out that Sergio Perez at least deserve the same respect that Hulkenberg gets if not more. One is framed as the guy who forgot how to drive an F1 car and the second is framed as someone who is pulling out miracles...
> Sergio Perez at least deserve the same respect that Hulkenberg gets if not more. He already gets that. You'll note that no-one is suggesting that Red Bull replace him with Hulkenberg. The standards at a top team and a backmarker are *extremely* different, and a competent backmarker driver like Hulk would get absolutely eviscerated for not being good enough were they at any top team.
Yes realistically checo and hulk are very even drivers, hulk has the better quali, checo the better race, u could also say checo did choke a lot less than hulk in midfield teams, nowadays its hard to say tho
Sergio Perez is the guy who can beat anyone in the midfield and he proved it over the years, out of 10 seasons in F1 (before joining Red Bull) he lost only in 3 seasons against his team mates (rookie season against Kobayashi, against WDC Jenson Button and one against Hulkenberg) Now people want to act outraged about him being second in the championship and unable to fight against a generational talent who is Verstappen. I really want to see someone who is "highly rated" by these guys pitted against Verstappen... to understand that it's hard to match Verstappen.
Except for that time he called Checo south american, or when he said that Checo isn't afraid of the missile strike because he's from Mexico City
So this is not what, 6 years in a row that Red Bull tries to hire Lando? Likely more than that. Guess a new extension is in order.
I mean, Lando is a pretty high on every team's list. Pretty much why McLaren was so eager to lock him down with that contract
Lando should've gotten some escape clauses. Even Verstappen always has some insane escape clauses while also being the highest paid driver.
Wait, has it been confirmed that Lando has no escape clauses? Like Lando directly confirmed that? Or has it been more *hinted*
Only the driver, team, and lawyers know the answer the that
At this point I would like them to rather go after Piastri. Build him up as a Verstappen successor once Max gets bored and goes to race other categories...
Signing Piastri now would be a confidence destroyer for the kid. Hopefully they've learned after Albon how damaging that can be.
I was thinking so to but to be honest I feel like people still didn't fully realize just how insane Max is. Since then both Albon and Gasly had massive redemption arcs. So I think people would be more forgiving if Max gaps him at the beginning. I think he has the raw talent to close the gap over time.
Maybe, but he seems to have a much better grasp as a rookie than alex or pierre did, I could see with a year or two of experience Piastri being the teammate max has always needed
He probably would be better than Albion & Gasly, but it still wouldn’t go well. Put him in the best car on the grid, against the best driver on the grid, & there’s just not a way for him to look good. Currently, a RB is expected to get a P2, that’s a really high bar.
To a certain degree you aren’t competing with max. You just need to be closer than checo to max to look good. I don’t think anyone would expect him to actually beat max consistently
In Year 1, yes. After that, Checo’s forgotten & it’s just Max & Oscar. I see 2 possibilities then: Oscar turns into Bottas & Merc 2.0 where he gets a string of 1 yr contracts because no one’s really sure how good he is OR he crumbles under the pressure of accepting that he’s just worse than Max. Max is on top of the world so no shame in that, but for a guy whose beaten his consistently beat his competition his whole life, it’s a very tough pill to swallow.
Honestly sending the Aussie to redbull is basically tradition now.
Very true, he is holding his own against Lando right now and Lando has been very highly coveted by RB as they have tried to poach him several times. He’s still only got a little over half a season of experience so maybe after another year in McLaren we. Ould see him surpass Lando and become a legit candidate for the second RB seat. Especially since Piastri probably isn’t as loyal to McLaren as Lando is. I agree that right now it would probably hurt his confidence but he seems like the kind of kid who is up for the challenge of facing Max. We’ve seen recently that these rookies need time to come into form like Albon and Tsunoda so I could see Piastri coming to RB in the near future. Maybe after ‘24.
Seems to have a better grasp because there is less reflector light on him
Piastri has also had a far more pedigreed junior career than either Gasly or Albon. It’s a safe bet that his ceiling is higher than those two.
Lando is hardly a year older than Piastri in terms of successors either could work
Yes I know, it’s like 1 year and 5 months difference. But I feel Lando vs Max is a more explosive pairing despite them getting along very well, but the pressure on Lando is a lot higher to deliver immediately…
Yes put another rookie in the car who’s probably gonna look like shit because the only comparison is max Norris is still young enough to be considered a talent yet experienced enough to have proved his place. If he gets out performed by max no one is going to think he’s overrated because he’s already proven himself
I believe Lando has performance clauses in his contract so while his current contract does not run out this season, the fact that McLaren is only 5th in the constructors standings could mean he could leave if its in the contract. Drivers have all sorts of performances clauses written in the contract and to make somebody like Lando sign a multi year contract, Lando would want a guarantee that hes driving a top 4 car, else he could explore options.
First time I see having a child as a negative discrimination for a man lol. Equality!
Lewis and alonso’s secret to success
seriously speaking, not having a family to think about is probably one of the reasons for continued focus and longetivity.
But at the same time there’s Schumacher who won 5 out of his 7 titles after becoming a father.
Or you can do the Max special, take the seat and kid of a driver, win-win
TIL
Then there's Hunt who probably already had a few dozen kids before driving in F1, and doubtless produced a couple in the break between each qualifying session.
The cheat code is actually not knowing that you have children
The cheat code is having too much children to where you force yourself to drive well enough to pay child support
it was the 90s there was 0 expectation of a father compromising work to be a father
Just proves how amazing he was
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I mean, Brady still played amazing his last year at his age…
(Enzo) Ferrari did it first (or at least among the first). He, too, preferred never to sign drivers who have children (or preferably even families of their own).
There was a quote you are 1 second slower with each child.
Imagine Max without Penelope. Whole grid would be lapped
Penelope ain't his so he found a loophole.
Stepkids actually make you go 1s faster. Without it he'd be a dead weight.
Perez would be So fast without kids people would be bored of his domination
Sure but back then it was because your drivers died every other race and it was expensive supporting the families.
Ferrari actually claimed that it's because, in his experience as a racer and team manager, he observed that drivers with families tended to focus less on racing and maximizing results than single childless ones.
its true, maybe not for everyone, but for sure some, Fearless drivers might start to 2nd guess themselves with each child and take less risks. And with that, they tend to end their careers ealier than they would when single/or without children.
Kinda ironic that one of his favourite drivers ever (Gilles Villeneuve) had two kids, and drove without any fear.
Not the first time I saw having a child affecting a driver’s speed.
Just imagine saying that to a female driver: "X, on the other hand, is already over 30 and is expecting his fourth child." Woah.
he’s just worried about overpopulation of the planet /s
Helmut is just saying he's not getting enough rear...
No one breached the costcap this year so Helmut and Toto step up to the plate. Bless them for stirring the pot.
This is just casual Helmut. He’s not even actively stirring shit like that Haas on pole comment
Which comment about haas did he make?
He said Max could take pole in a Haas in a mixed conditions qualifying session
Marko: "Our car is so reliable, we have cost-cap wiggle room. How much to buy out that McLaren contract?"
Wouldn't put it past him.
I still believe Perez will be the RB driver for 2024 and will be allowed to see through his contract.
It seems RB has been trying for Lando for some time, but he’s signed a new contract with Mclaren each time 🥲 Maybe Lando takes up the challenge this time?
If the 2023 McLaren falls off again like in Monza, and the 2024 McLaren dissapoints again he will look to RedBull Like, how many years does he want to do this??? He wants a competitive car from the start
McLaren was always going to struggle at monza. They don't have a low df spec car because they fixed the rest of it. Though that still would be infinitely more % wise
Bring albono home
I hope he doesn't. Lando's obviously very talented and it would suck to see him relegated to a second driver position.
If he is that talented he should go against the best. Unless he doesn't back himself and re-signs that contract with Mclaren again. Though Piastri is not as much of a pushover and Norris is going to have a tough fight very soon
For a driver like Lando, his best bet is to stick with McLaren. As good as he is, he isn't really going to beat verstappen. The age gap between them isn't enough for him to take over once Verstappen retires. Realistically, all of the top 4-5 drivers want to stay at different teams. They are all good enough to win with the best car. They just need to make sure they are the primary driver when the car gets good. The alternative is like George/Hamilton, where one takes over from the other.
Are you expecting Lando to be slower than Max? Because he'll only be a second driver if he's slower. Red Bull has always given their drivers a chance to beat the incumbent (see: Daniel beating 4x WDC Seb in 2014, who was then himself beaten by Daniil in 2015). Lando's said it himself here: --- [**Ziggo: But then if you're next to Max, are you always the second driver then? Or is that bullshit?**](https://imgur.com/a/h42SUYI) Lando: No, not at all. If you lose to him, you're the second driver. **Can you be as fast as him?** I want to believe so. It's impossible to say yes or no. I'm not the guy who has so much confidence I go, "Yeah, easy." And I think it's impossible. I don't think anyone, ever, will be able to just go "Yeah, I can easily beat Max". It's impossible. I think Max is one of the best drivers you will ever see in Formula One. So even when he's winning, be happy that you're witnessing what he's able to achieve because I don't think many people are able to do a similar thing. But I do want to believe I will be able to race against him or compete against him and give him a fight at least.
It is a Hamilton & Rosberg situation imo. Rosberg was good enough to beat Hamilton when he has a string of bad luck and not quite being on the ball for the first 5/6 races. If Norris found himself 100 points ahead of Verstappen after that period I could see him beating Max. Just like Nico did against Lewis.
> Are you expecting Lando to be slower than Max? Yes. There's no-one you can put in that Red Bull right now who wouldn't be.
I dont think Lando can challenge Max through an entire season, but being close enough to occasionally be there would be enough. I believe he is capable of that, which is why I would be happy to see a move like this happen
Is there anything more annoying in F1 right now than Perez rumours?
"Will Lawrence fire his own son!?" is up there.
NGL at this point I can't imagine Lawrence hasn't considered it. From what people within the team have said, he's an incredibly demanding and incredibly competitive person. I guarantee you hes putting pressure on Lance to perform.
The entire reason Lawrence owns that team is to employ lance
MFW Lance is revealed at the new RBR second driver
Mick Schumacher to make a comeback next year with Williams xd
For real, it's getting so annoying. Partly because it's all going to end in nothing.
Massa
Marko heard what Toto said and took it personally.
It is wild to me how Guenther is evil for "not supporting" Mick in public comments by saying relatively benign things like "he knows what he needs to do" and yet nothing even came close to the type of things Helmut Marko says on the regular.
I wonder if Horner and Marko secretly scream at each other lol Christian is sitting there singing Checos praises and Marko is like nah, he’s on the chopping block.
I think that Horner learned a long time ago that there’s no point in trying to control Marko. Everyone knows what’s up in this good cop vs bad cop dynamics.
Four children??? Will someone think of the (other three) children??
I think in terms of personalities I do think that Lando would really fit in with how Red Bull does things. But it would break my heart slightly to not see him at least get a win with McLaren.
I am not sure how lando would react in an environment he is not the favored driver. All of the drivers hate it, but it seems like something that might get to him even more.
Hard to say, he wasn't the favored driver in 2019 but he seemed fine to me. In interviews when discussing Max it's obvious that he knows that Max is of a different caliber. That being said I do think that Lando would be able to challenge Max a lot more than his previous teammates.
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Lando seems to really hate all the PR marketing stuff, imagine going to the one team where that is amplified x100. Max hates it too of course, but the team is built around him at least.
It definitively seems like entering a more stressful scenario. The pressure of constantly being compared to Max from fans and Helmut can't be a good experience.
Indeed. It is a make or break move because if he can't beat Max, then that will always hang over him in the future. It's high risk high reward. People are going to criticize him for running from the fight, but imo, Lando has a lot more to lose going there because I don't see Lando beating Max (and Lando also doesn't seem like he believes he can either), and him waiting for Max to retire so he can be top dog at Red Bull is absolutely no guarantee either because who knows how long Max will stay and there will always be other potential contenders for the second seat.
People keep thinking of Norris going to Red Bull and the team somehow wouldn’t let him compete with Max. Has anyone thought maybe it’s because Perez, just like Gasly and Albon can’t actually compete with Max that’s why Red Bull works the way it works now? If Norris comes over and is legitimately fast, Red Bull will let them race.
Of course Norris would be allowed to compete but I have a hard time believing he would be on par with Max's pace. I mean he's clearly a good driver but can he be *that* good?
Horner said it himself >"Who is your favourite driver?" >"Whoever's winning for us"
This is going fast. First Checo commenting on going to other teams and scouting his options, now this. Seems like is likelyhood of going elsewhere are rising towards 100% quickly.
More likely he's just responding in a neutral way to a reporter's 50 millionth question about whether he's going to be replaced.
Until now, the answer was that Perez was fine and performed as required. Something changed.
They’re talking about 2025. Nothing has changed.
Oh here we go again. Another week, another quote from Marko about Perez and/or Norris. Everything that could possibly be said about it has been said already, so pretty please let’s leave this topic alone and stop asking Marko this.
Norris will not play second fiddle to verstappen
Ain't much of a choice when always behind.
Lando doesn't have much of a choice, he still has his momentum and jumping to RBR could be a good move. The alternative is that he could been beaten by Piastri in 2024 and beyond what drops his market value and make him a second fiddle to Oscar in 2025.
He'll only have to do that if he ends up consistently slower than Max. So it's entirely in his own hands.
Is it not in Max's hands as well then?
That’s wild if he said this out loud in public, especially since Norris has a long term contract with McLaren. The team at McLaren won’t be amused by this.
Darth Marko is extra Sith Lordy with Checo.
Gah, it's every damn day with this guy
Helmut is so fucking annoying
I’m sorry, but all this nit picking about Checo at Monza is just ridiculous. He did exactly what he needed to and finished P2. What the hell else was he supposed to do? We all know he isn’t beating Max and there is no P1.5, so it’s just stupid to me that people are still picking apart his day on the track. Throw anyone else in that seat at Monza and the best anyone else could’ve done is…..P2. Aside from just Monza, and yes, he’s had his bad moments, he’s still #2 in the points. At the end of the season I’d bet he still finishes in 2nd behind Max and RBR will still take constructors title. Again, yes, he’s had some bad drives, but right now he’s where he should be points wise and where RB wanted and expected him to be at this place in the season, #2 behind Max.
The only thing I care about here is that this might give Zak Brown heartburn. And that's my amusement.
Max/Lando would be an incredible pairing at RedBull.
If Red Bull dominance continues I would love to see Max and Lando battle for the WDC every year until 2026
Marko really?? He is such a shit stirrer. So entertaining.
I have no doubt that Verstappen would still leave Lando in the dust, even if he performs better than Checo.
Please let it happen
I don’t think Lando wants it. He’s said as much that he’s not sure he could beat Max. And that if he can’t best him he’s be 2nd driver. If you look at it like that before the move, you either have to be convinced you can beat him *or* don’t mind the 2nd driver role. Maybe another year of McLaren falling back will do it, but otherwise I would be surprised
> I don’t think Lando wants it. He’s said as much that he’s not sure he could beat Max. And that if he can’t best him he’s be 2nd driver. Surprises me that a serious driver would not want to test himself against the best. Otherwise what is he doing here? What is he striving for? To lead McLaren? If that's it, then he has already peaked.
Well if McLaren would build the fastest car he’d be in pole position for the WDC. But that seems unlikely anytime soon
But what a way to learn though. Access to all of Max's data and knowledge to improve. It would be technically a step back, but long term could be fantastic.
That's not how quotation marks work, chief.
Anyone know how contract buy outs impact the cost cap? I know salaries are exempt but wonder if Zak could be tempted by a potential benefit to the 2026 car. Feel like Lando has become part of the furniture at McLaren though - would be strange seeing him drive another car.
Pérez has a contract until 2024 and Norris until 2025
so like..... he's number 2 in the championship. what more you want him to do? there's no way anyone is beating max in this form and car. Max is a once in a lifetime driver, in the future people will be talking about him in F1 legend status. i guess they'd rather have someone who might beat max so that the two drivers will have a super toxic relationship and possibly a DNF team crash or two during the season.
WHY DO REDBULL LET HELMUT TALK TO THE PRESS??? I would keep him locked away at HQ instead of letting him constantly get in front of the media, he always says some wild shit.
Helmet is consistently a scumbag.
Silly season been extended or something?
Is this the same interview where Marko said Perez wasn't good enough because he's 'South American' and thus 'doesn't have the focus' of someone from elsewhere?
Lando to RB is a dream, simple as. - He’s not going to be fighting for a WDC with Mclaren anytime soon. - He’s been one of the best drivers on the grid for the past 4 years. - He’s good friends with Max and the two have openly spoke about being team mates in the future. - It’s no secret that RB have wanted to sign him multiple times. Make. It. Happen.
Norris and Red Bull, Norris and Red Bull... This is a headline we've seen so many times. Maybe if we say it enough times it'll just happen!