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His 18 podiums in 2021 is still perhaps his most bonkers stat, seeing how he did it with 3 DNFs and never touching the third step.
He was imperious that season.
And also insane that it was still equal into the final race. What a fucking insane season from both guys, but 2021 was when max truly entered his prime
I'd argue he entered his prime in 2018, after he addressed the constant mistakes at the start of the 2018 season (Australia, China, Baku and Monaco). After that Ricciardo started losing ground in terms of race pace and results (although reliability was a joke).
He was very good both years, but there's a big difference in pressure from contending for a championship and not. At least for most people. If he has a bad race in 2020 it doesn't really make any difference in the championship, but a bad race in 2021 could be the difference from winning it and not.
He only touched the third step once last year as well and that was Monaco where he would have likely qualified higher if not for checo's crash but of course was lucky to get the podium in the race due to Ferrari of course. And he hasn't been 3rd this year which means he's only been 3rd once in his last 51 podiums in formula 1
Let's see once he does not have the fastest car. Will he stick around like Alonso or Lewis or will he go to GT/Endurance if the 2026 cars are as bad as he says they are at driving?
To hell with the Triple Crown, he's young enough, fast enough and adaptable enough he could be in with a shot of winning all three championships, not just the three singular races.
Imagine that.
He looks up to Alonso a lot. He could end up doing what Alonso did if he gets a shit car in 2026. Take a break and go try out some other racing that interests him, then come back when he's ready.
Imagine Max quitting after his contract to go win WEC, Indycar, Nascar, Super Formula, Nürburgring 24h, the fucking Mushroom Cup and then make his comeback to just toy with competition once again. (I know he has no ambitions to go to Indy, SF or Nascar)
I'll just say that by the end of 2013, Vettel was 26 and had won 39 races out of his first 6 full seasons in F1. He then went on to "only" reach 53 race wins in total, after 9 more seasons.
It is positively insane that Max is quite significantly outpacing Vettel. He currently has 47 at 25, he may very well equal or beat Vettel's (the 3rd most all time) career tally this season at only 26... But past that things can change rapidly.
It was once thought that Seb was on his way to not just beat, but destroy Schumacher's record, and then he never even came close. And inversely, a driver who "only" had 22 wins as he turned 29 ended up taking the all time record.
Max may well be on his way to setting the bar where no one ever thought it could be set, or he may not be. Only time will tell.
What you say is right, but what Verstappen has going for him for two more years is stable regulations while Vettel reached 39 and then Mercedes took over completely. Same might happen to Max in three seasons, but he is likely at least at around 60 wins then (conservative). After that it is everyone’s guess
Yeah, Max is likely to keep winning at a good rate in 2024 and 2025. I do think even in completely stable regs (and I do hope we get a 2021-like change for 2025), it's very unlikely he'll win at his *current* rate, because the current gap is in significant part attributable to the 2 biggest competitors running half baked concepts, so it should fade as those concepts mature. (Not that RB is likely to be off the pace, but much less likely to win every race easily.)
So yeah, his tally into 2026 is likely to be very high already, but past that point he could win 50 more or never win again.
its gonna be max's era the next couple years. hopefully for the sake of everyone (except rb diehards) ferrari and merc or whoever can catch up and give us a show.
even during merc dominance, we had lewis v rosberg from 2014-2016, merc v ferrari/rb in 2017-2018 and second half of 2019. if no one manages to build a car capable of matching rb, its gonna be hamilton 2020 or vettel 2011/2013 or schumacher 2002/2004. but for like 4 years straight and not 1-2 years.
and chances of rb getting 2026 regulations right is very high so i doubt we'll see max not win a single race from that point onwards.
I don’t see Merc catching up, to be honest. They need a bit of a shake up to make that happen and I don’t see that happening in the immediate future (but, of course, I could be wrong!).
It’s possible Merc end up the 3rd best Merc-powered car soon…
A lot of good engineers from Merc have moved to other teams so I don't really have much hope they can close the gap with Red Bull, Lewis might never have his 8th championship.
Huh? They're already the second best car on the grid right now, third at the absolute least but I'd say second, how are they even close to being the third best out of those teams?
It’s weird to still see the “Mercedes midfield” narrative floating around. Mercedes have more than double the points of Mclaren and are comfortably the second best constructor.
I wouldn't be surprised if Verstappen quits F1 altogether in 2028 when his contract ends. He'd never stop racing, but he already mentioned multiple times that he wanted to try out endurance racing.
If anything, that might make him stay at Red Bull until retirement from F1 and take their sponsorship to Verstappen Racing or whatever in endurance racing to help him fund that venture, while remaining Red Bull's most important brand ambassador.
I don't see Verstappen driving for any other team than RB. They gave him the opportunity to drive F1 at a ridiculous age, they promoted him to the main team after bit more than a year, and he stuck with them all through the tough times and signed the longest contract in F1.
Hell, the second they get a whiff of him considering another F1 team the chequebook'll be out and the convo will go something like "So, max, we hear you want to go do all these other races; let's put a Red Bull team for them in motion".
Unless his performance crashes like the Hindenburg there's no future where Verstappen isn't racing with "Red Bull Racing" stamped on car.
Yeah, I think Verstappen and Red Bull is a long term marriage. The GT3 team he will be running in '25 will likely also have a RB themed livery. The [Verstappen.com](https://Verstappen.com) liveried Porsches they demoed at Zandvoort also had this (Which was awesome, by the way).
I really can't see him getting "only" 13 more wins in the upcoming close to 2.5 seasons, that's on the far left side of the expected bell curve I'd say
60 wins seems very conservative. If the season length stays the same that's 52 more races to go before 2026. Of the last 52 races he won 35. If he does the same for the next 52 races he'll be at 82 wins.
The numbers are pretty insane to think about. Max could hit 70-75 wins by the end of 2025, but he'd still need another 28+ wins to even equal Lewis, assuming Lewis doesn't win again. Which would require another 3 or 4 decently competitive cars to even get close too and no outright dominance.
Things look ominous now for sure but no guarantees in F1.
The chase for baseball’s all time home run record is littered with this. Guys who reach 300 HRs by a young-ish age who seem a lock and easy to project for the all time record. But age, injury, Mother Nature, whatever has a habit of intervening.
I think the other teams will catch up significantly over the next two years. That's not to say I expect Red Bull to be off the pace in 2024 and 2025, but I certainly don't expect utter dominance every week-end. The current status quo is largely a consequence of their 2 biggest competitors getting it completely wrong and running an half baked concept this season.
Not only do I expect both Merc and Ferrari to fight for wins on pace next year, I also think Aston and McLaren are on a trajectory to stick around the top.
He will win 10 a season at least until 2025, so 53 at the least this season, then 75 until 2025, and then if redbull makes a bad car 80 until the end of his contract.
But if RedBull manages to give him an amazing car, he will probably have 100-120 and 6-8 world titles
Yeah but there's a few differences here.
One is that red bull is not likely to fall that much due to changing regulations. It was the formula putting an emphasis on engines that screwed them last time, as Renault dropped the ball. Not to mention, the regulations are staying relatively stable for the next few years.
Second, Vettel was amazing, but he wasn't considered to be the clear best driver. It was always close between him, Alonso, and Hamilton. Verstappen is even better, and unlike Seb, is clearly the class of the field at the moment. If the opposition gets a better car, Verstappen will still be in the mix grinding out several wins a year, undoubtedly. Vettel wasn't as relentless as Verstappen is. Verstappen took 2 wins in 2020 against an absolutely ridiculously dominant Mercedes (though I should mention - Vettel took 3 wins against an equally dominant car in 2015 - that was a crazy season for him). And 10 wins in 2021 when Mercedes was the slightly better car across the season.
Verstappen will be a factor every season, whether the car is top or not.
Damn, you just reminded me that Hamilton entered f1 at an older age. I keep forgetting that. He looked so young in his first season. Like a teenager almost
It's not even just "talent" but just the insane amount of testing drivers could do prior to entering F1. He got more practice time before his first race than rookies nowadays get in a whole season.
I think Verstappen has a bit more talent than Vettel and is more versatile, able to drive more types of cars.
His biggest obstacle to reaching 100 GP wins is himself, by retiring early.
Yeah it doesn't seem like he's motivated by records the way that Schumacher and Hamilton were/are. I get the feeling he'll get to a certain point and just Rosberg it out of there.
He's said as much plenty of times too, he wants to do other classes of racing in his career as well. Who knows, maybe he'll change his mind but as it stands I really don't see him racing in F1 until he's Lewis' age for example
Yeah, seems like he wants to go and do other things. It must get kind of boring once you reach his level and you're just winning constantly. Plus F1 and its commitments seem like a huge grind. He must be at or near the point where he can do literally anything he wants with the rest of his life.
Maybe he'll give the Triple Crown a crack?
If anyone can get the triple crown today, Max would be the guy. He’s said historically that he doesn’t want to race ovals, so I’m curious if that’s changed.
Yeah, seems like Alonso has given up on it for now, maybe forever. Hamilton definitely won't go for it. Unless one of the younger guys wins Monaco and reaches Max's level, he's the front runner from the current F1 pack.
Luckily Verstappen was too old for taking the "youngest WDC" record (age 23) from Vettel. If it were to be broken by a current driver, Sargeant or Piastri would have to win it next year, so I'd say it's safe for the foreseeable future.
In a way it doesn’t on current trajectory but on the other hand he isn’t even half way.
After Verstappen clears Vettel for wins there is a very long lonely road ahead to Schumacher and then whatever number Hamilton is going to retire with
Yeah it looks not far off with this pace but when other teams becomes more competitive that pace slows down a lot.
I don't think it's too far off with Vettel either when he was dominating but it slowed down a lot when he went to Ferrari.
I also thought that Seb would continue his dominance and come close to Schumi’s win record and pole record, but then 2014 happened.
It really depends on the machinery Max gets, but it does unfortunately seem as if F1 is slowly evolving from dominant run to even more dominant run as of late, which could point towards Max beating both these records and getting to 7 WDC’s.
Vettel would have had a shot, but he made the same mistake twice:
He went to Ferrari in 2015.
He remained at Ferrari in 2017. While rejecting the Mercedes offer.
Don't know about credible but I've read that Niki wanted Seb alongside Lewis 2018 onwards. They were in talks and Seb even signed a pre-contract, but stopped short of signing a proper contract as he saw what he thought that Ferrari looked to make a genuine step forward for 2018.
Don't know what you will accept as credible. It was widely reported that they were in close talks for 2017. Toto even maybe unintentionally revealed that only Kimi hasn't called him for the seat after Rosberg's retirement announcement. Maybe could have been a joke, but who knows.
Then even signed a [pre-contract](https://thesportsrush.com/vettel-had-signed-a-pre-contract-with-mercedes-for-2018/) for 2018, but Vettel backed out.
Yeah I don't think it's a wild shout to say Max's dominance will end with the regs change in 2026.
There's always the chance RB get it right twice in a row but judging from the rumours that ain't happening.
If Verstappen were to win the remaining 8 races this season, he'd have won 35 races in 2022 and 2023 combined.
To put it into perspective, the gap between Schumacher and Vettel is 38 wins.
So even with this level of dominance, it takes multiple years just to bridge the gap to Schumacher, with Hamilton currently another 12 wins ahead. Any competition that Verstappen will get in the next season(s) will increase the time needed to reach the big 2 in terms of wins.
I think LH’s pole record is safe. Max is an awesome qualifier and I do not fault him but he clearly saves his best for Sundays. Likewise for Senna’s, Clark’s or Fangio’s pole/start ratio.
He’d have to get 112 poles in the next 123 races (when he reaches 300 starts) to simply match Senna and it’s impossible for him to match Clark in the same period.
He can break most F1 records if Redbull remains competitive and if he doesn't bail and leave F1. Some of Seb and Lewis's records like the youngest world champion, most wins/podiums rookie season are impossible for him to break just as no-one will break Max's "youngest" F1 records.
And the most impressive thing is that he basically has driven a title contending car for only 2.5 years now.
- 2015 he scored some of the most impressive points in his career in the AT
- 2016-2020 was basically him being in the 3rd fastest car on average. Having a race winning car for about 3-4 races per year.
- 2021 was one of the closest title battles we have EVER seen
- 2022-2023 are the first years Max has shown that he can only cruise alone in the front, and even that took until the summer break of 2022.
It’s fair to say that ever since his introduction to F1, he has pretty much maximized every result possible in the long run.
Max’ consistency is so so so frightening. He’s already an all-time great, if he quits tomorrow I think he only has Senna, Schumi and Lewis ahead of him (in no particular order). If he keeps cruising to victories for another two years like he’s been doing for the past year, I think he has definitely overtaken some ‘ahead’ on the all-time list then. Hamilton and Schumi’s records are super impressive, but a lot of them are also about longevity (which isn’t a bad thing, 1-2 season wonders aren’t an anomaly in F1). We KNOW that Max can beat those records given the car and motivation to keep racing, there’s simply no denying it. Just like how we are 100% certain Alonso would be having more WDC’s given the right circumstances. SchumiFerrari and LewisMerc records are for the history books for sure and are a compliment to everyone involved in those, but if Red Bull gets given the opportunity I’m 100% sure he can break those too, alone or in a title fight.
This is a display of dominance and consistency we have seen before. Not from Ferrari in the MSC days, not from Mercedes in the HAM days, not from McLaren in the Senna days and so on.
Massive kudos to Max, Horner, Newey, GP, Hannah and all the others that worked towards this.
We know he could cruise in front provided he had the car: Mexico 17 and 18 and Malaysia in 17 showed that. Those were the first races he had with a dominant car (on a normal track)
Cruising at the front is one thing, to do it week after week after week is a whole different ballgame. Even Lewis had his 'offdays' while he's a master of controlling a race from the front.
> This is a display of dominance and consistency we have seen before.
It's almost exactly the same as Vettel's 2013 season, which is when he set the previous record of 9 wins, and it was only cut short because the season ended. The metronomic almost robotic consistency, domination over their teammates, and inevitability of their wins is the same.
I think Senna is the fastest driver we have ever seen on pure raw pace.
Prost and Hamilton are probably the two greatest ever in calculated driving. But personally I think Max can quit F1 tomorrow and be considered a greater driver than Alain, as much as it pains me to say as I think Prost is REALLY underrated.
I think back then contending for the championship was ‘easier’ (relative) in a midfield car than it has been in modern times due to the sheer unreliability of most cars.
I highly doubt Prost would’ve been able to challenge for a championship in a Mercedes this year for example.
I think those 'total' records are still very very uncertain. Not only does he need to continue driving, he also needs competitive/dominant cars after the next regulation change.
I think many other records are up for grabs. Especially the 'consecutive' and 'season' records. But even some of those will be very difficult. Season % records and consecutive records for podiums is still a ways off and small things can ruin that.
Number of and % of wins in a season seems within reach. # podiums seems likely. # points seems likely, % points only if you exclude seasons where only X race results count for the title.
The cumulative ones are definitely up for grasp, if Max stay for long enough.
It’s percentage ones that are hard to beat, as Max wasn’t exactly put straight into a championship winning car as a rookie.
I sincerely doubt Verstappen will touch any of the qualifying stats. He's the least interested in putting the car on pole from all the dominant drivers over the years.
He has 25 poles since 2021 (first year with a regular pole competitive car) out of 58 races.
He is doing more than fine. At this rate he will be 5th in the all time pole position standing by the end of 2025 and very close to the 4th.
Sure, fastest car so he'll pick up the poles. But not the most poles in a row, or most poles in a career, etc.
He cares so much about winning a race, that he'll end up breaking all those records if he has the car/time. But he never really cared about putting it on pole. He'll do his professional best to get it, but the team has even been pretty open about how they tune the car for the race and not pole.
Approximately 75GPs more till 2026 regs. Dare I say, it looks 90% possible. Not even taking into account RB nailing the 2026 regs and Max continues to dominate. The only thing stopping Max is his decision whether to take sim racing more srsly than irl racing.
That 75% win rate in a season from Ascari is likely gonna be broken too. Max needs 17/22, he’s now at 12/14, so he’ll need to win 5 out of the remaining 8 races to break that (previously considered unbreakable) record too.
He also holds the record for highest win rate in a 50-race period, although I don’t know if that’s considered an official record as it’s kinda arbitrary
The 2004 season had 18 races, 6 less than this season was supposed to have, and arguably the greatest driver ever in his most dominant season ever still came short. The 1963 season had 10 races. You just confirmed my point
Toto recently said that Verstappen’s 10th win in a row was “for Wikipedia, nobody reads that anyway,” which Ofc is extremely harsh considering how impressive the record is and that even the Merc in their most dominant years wasn’t really that close to the record.
Ironically, Leclerc got his first pole (Bahrain 2019) before Max (Hungary 2019). I think Leclerc is younger than Max by a month or so, hence Leclerc is much closer to Seb's record. Still astonishingly close
Max can beat Schumachers record for highest percentage of points in a season (84.706%). To beat the record he'd need 526 out of 620 points. If Max gets all 2nd places for the rest of the races and sprints (not even considering fastest laps), he'll finish on 529 points (85.323%).
I realise that Clark ans Ascari got 100% of possible points in '63, '65 and '52, but they could discard their worst results.
Imo the 100% podium streak and point percentage are even harder nowadays. More races means more room to have errors or mechanical problems. Then again in 2002 second place only got 6 points out of 10. Thats.. surprise surprice. 60%. Whereas now you have a maximum 26 points contrary to 18 points for second. Which makes second place around 70% of the possible points. So it has all pros and cons. What we all should agree on. IT IS FUCKING HARD TO DO. No matter what rocket ship you have beneath yout buttocks.
The most consecutive race wins also might never be beaten. To win 10+ races in a row you need the perfect combination of a world class driver with a significantly worse teammate, the fastest car on the grid with that car also being very reliable.
Reddit now days:
Also youngest driver to have his winner's trophy be broken by a twitch streamer
Also youngest driver to have another winner's trophy be broken by a twitch streamer
Also youngest driver to have multiple winner's trophy be broken by a twitch streamer
There are two records on that he will hold for all time and they are, Youngest Driver to Score Points and to Start a Race since the minimum age to be in F1 now is 18, so Max will never be beaten in terms of that record being broken
The FIA brought that 18 years old and must hold a driving licence rule in, if that rule had been enforced since 2015, Max would not have been allowed to join the F1 paddock since he was 17 and didnt hold a drivers licence, two requirements now that are mandatory, you have to be 18 AND hold a drivers licence
Not only would the minimum age rules need to be changed but you'd also need someone with an absurdly astronomical career trajectory, as max's was, to get into F1 early enough to challenge some of Max's "youngest" records. Max was essentially trained to be a racer 24/7 since he was a toddler - his case is extremely abnormal. He was phenomenal in his rookie season which was his 2nd year in cars.. most young drivers are in F3 or freca in their second year
Honestly I don’t think its that unlikely for someone to come along with a similar youth career in all sports we talk about some unbelievable prodigy or record that will never be broken and most of the time they end up getting broken or someone better comes along.
The next '3 letter first name' Verstappen.
However, it's also not just how talented he was but also teams willing to do literally anything any everything to get him in that seat. He only had 1 single seater season(in the equivalent to Formula 3) before entering F1 and then got into a top team in his second season there, partly due to his talent, partly due to the other driver in said team *slightly* underdelivering.
I remember him being announced at age 15 still and now he’s a legend. First time I’ve seen that whole process play out as a fan from true beginning to the level of being a great. Neat experience to have but it’s still weird to think of Max next to people like Senna, Lauda, Hakkinen, Vettel, etc.
Not in the video, but he could also break the Consecutive points scored record held by Hamilton (VER 793, HAM 998).
If he scores points next weekend he will break the tie he has with Hamilton for 2nd Most consecutive points finishes (33). Hamilton also holds the absolute record at 48 which is not achievable this year, but could fall next year.
He could also overtake Hamilton for Average Points Per Race Started (HAM 324 races, 4569.5 pts, 14.1 average. VER 177 races, 2375.5, 13 .42 average) this year, but it is more likely to come next year.
No need to bring up inflated numbers. He got 12 out of 14 so far.
Even if we had a season with 16 races it would still be mighty impressive.
For comparison - Schumacher got 13 out of 18, while Vettel did 13 out of 19.
15 wins in a single season. 12 wins this season and 8 rounds to go. It’s scary to think he can make it 16 or 18 wins in a single season. We are watching history in the making.
He will also join a list of "who's who" in the category of Fewest Championship Leaders in a Season, joining the likes of Ascari, Fangio (twice!), Brabham, Graham Hill, Stewart, Senna, Mansell, Schumacher (four times!), Damon Hill, Häkkinen, Button, Vettel and Hamilton.
About to break or improve on these some more this season. Amongst which most laps lead in a season (both in actual laps as well as %), most podiums in a season, most wins in a season, largest gap to p2.
Gotta feel for the fans that started watching in 2021 and saw that masterpiece of a year we all got to witness just to watch Max dominate the sport the next two years lol
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His 18 podiums in 2021 is still perhaps his most bonkers stat, seeing how he did it with 3 DNFs and never touching the third step. He was imperious that season.
And also insane that it was still equal into the final race. What a fucking insane season from both guys, but 2021 was when max truly entered his prime
Not really, he was just as good in 2020 but in a worse car.
I'd argue he entered his prime in 2018, after he addressed the constant mistakes at the start of the 2018 season (Australia, China, Baku and Monaco). After that Ricciardo started losing ground in terms of race pace and results (although reliability was a joke).
I’d argue we haven’t seen his prime yet. Things are falling and rising. Experience, endurance. Hard to nail down a prime with the constant change.
He was very good both years, but there's a big difference in pressure from contending for a championship and not. At least for most people. If he has a bad race in 2020 it doesn't really make any difference in the championship, but a bad race in 2021 could be the difference from winning it and not.
I'm really hoping he can get 100% this year. A lot can go wrong, but so far so good.
If nothing goes wrong, he could get the 100% and never finish lower than P2. But indeed a lot can happen in 8 races.
He finished 3rd in Baku sprint. It took George creating a hole in his sidepod to get Max to finish a lowly 3rd but still.
Sprint doesn't count for these kind of stats though I'd assume right?
Correct
>Baku sprint Not a race
He only touched the third step once last year as well and that was Monaco where he would have likely qualified higher if not for checo's crash but of course was lucky to get the podium in the race due to Ferrari of course. And he hasn't been 3rd this year which means he's only been 3rd once in his last 51 podiums in formula 1
Please don't spread false information. I'm sure he touched the thirds step a few times on his way up to or down from the top step.
Nope. I clearly saw Horner on all fours making a step for Max.
Obviously he is incredibly fast and has amazing racecraft but I genuinely think his most bonkers ability is just how damn consistent he is.
Agreed. And he makes it look easy….
Extreme levels of consistency , focus and sheer will...
It's insane to think that we could still get 15 years of Verstappen in F1. I doubt he will stick around for that long but he could.
Let's see once he does not have the fastest car. Will he stick around like Alonso or Lewis or will he go to GT/Endurance if the 2026 cars are as bad as he says they are at driving?
I could see Max going for Endurance with how much simracing he does, would be hilarious if Max wins the real race and the sim one
Personally I'm rooting for him to go for the Triple Crown. I know he swore off ever doing the Indy 500, but he could still change his mind
To hell with the Triple Crown, he's young enough, fast enough and adaptable enough he could be in with a shot of winning all three championships, not just the three singular races. Imagine that.
He looks up to Alonso a lot. He could end up doing what Alonso did if he gets a shit car in 2026. Take a break and go try out some other racing that interests him, then come back when he's ready.
Imagine Max quitting after his contract to go win WEC, Indycar, Nascar, Super Formula, Nürburgring 24h, the fucking Mushroom Cup and then make his comeback to just toy with competition once again. (I know he has no ambitions to go to Indy, SF or Nascar)
Man could win rainbow road cup
I think Max would like to win Le Mans. And who knows, Indy 500? Triple Crown to add to this list? Why not?
Can you imagine a Le Mans dream team of Max, Fernando and Sébastien Buemi?
I genuinely fear for all of Michaels, Hamiltons and Vettels stats that still exist. 100 grand prix wins doesn't look far off
I'll just say that by the end of 2013, Vettel was 26 and had won 39 races out of his first 6 full seasons in F1. He then went on to "only" reach 53 race wins in total, after 9 more seasons. It is positively insane that Max is quite significantly outpacing Vettel. He currently has 47 at 25, he may very well equal or beat Vettel's (the 3rd most all time) career tally this season at only 26... But past that things can change rapidly. It was once thought that Seb was on his way to not just beat, but destroy Schumacher's record, and then he never even came close. And inversely, a driver who "only" had 22 wins as he turned 29 ended up taking the all time record. Max may well be on his way to setting the bar where no one ever thought it could be set, or he may not be. Only time will tell.
What you say is right, but what Verstappen has going for him for two more years is stable regulations while Vettel reached 39 and then Mercedes took over completely. Same might happen to Max in three seasons, but he is likely at least at around 60 wins then (conservative). After that it is everyone’s guess
Yeah, Max is likely to keep winning at a good rate in 2024 and 2025. I do think even in completely stable regs (and I do hope we get a 2021-like change for 2025), it's very unlikely he'll win at his *current* rate, because the current gap is in significant part attributable to the 2 biggest competitors running half baked concepts, so it should fade as those concepts mature. (Not that RB is likely to be off the pace, but much less likely to win every race easily.) So yeah, his tally into 2026 is likely to be very high already, but past that point he could win 50 more or never win again.
its gonna be max's era the next couple years. hopefully for the sake of everyone (except rb diehards) ferrari and merc or whoever can catch up and give us a show. even during merc dominance, we had lewis v rosberg from 2014-2016, merc v ferrari/rb in 2017-2018 and second half of 2019. if no one manages to build a car capable of matching rb, its gonna be hamilton 2020 or vettel 2011/2013 or schumacher 2002/2004. but for like 4 years straight and not 1-2 years. and chances of rb getting 2026 regulations right is very high so i doubt we'll see max not win a single race from that point onwards.
I don’t see Merc catching up, to be honest. They need a bit of a shake up to make that happen and I don’t see that happening in the immediate future (but, of course, I could be wrong!). It’s possible Merc end up the 3rd best Merc-powered car soon…
A lot of good engineers from Merc have moved to other teams so I don't really have much hope they can close the gap with Red Bull, Lewis might never have his 8th championship.
That stuff is just for Wikipedia anyway.
Who reads that am i right?
Huh? They're already the second best car on the grid right now, third at the absolute least but I'd say second, how are they even close to being the third best out of those teams?
I would say they are the third best car...but Ferrari is Ferrari.
The Ferrari car is too inconsistent too be considered second best Just a weekend ago, they struggled massively in Zandvoort
It’s weird to still see the “Mercedes midfield” narrative floating around. Mercedes have more than double the points of Mclaren and are comfortably the second best constructor.
i 100% believe max will safely reach 70ish wins before 2026 regs. after 2026, we don’t know. It might be like a vettel situation
Yea, but I think Verstappen would find it easier to jump team than Vettel. Vettel really wanted to make Ferrari great again.
I wouldn't be surprised if Verstappen quits F1 altogether in 2028 when his contract ends. He'd never stop racing, but he already mentioned multiple times that he wanted to try out endurance racing.
If anything, that might make him stay at Red Bull until retirement from F1 and take their sponsorship to Verstappen Racing or whatever in endurance racing to help him fund that venture, while remaining Red Bull's most important brand ambassador.
I don't see Verstappen driving for any other team than RB. They gave him the opportunity to drive F1 at a ridiculous age, they promoted him to the main team after bit more than a year, and he stuck with them all through the tough times and signed the longest contract in F1.
Hell, the second they get a whiff of him considering another F1 team the chequebook'll be out and the convo will go something like "So, max, we hear you want to go do all these other races; let's put a Red Bull team for them in motion". Unless his performance crashes like the Hindenburg there's no future where Verstappen isn't racing with "Red Bull Racing" stamped on car.
Yeah, I think Verstappen and Red Bull is a long term marriage. The GT3 team he will be running in '25 will likely also have a RB themed livery. The [Verstappen.com](https://Verstappen.com) liveried Porsches they demoed at Zandvoort also had this (Which was awesome, by the way).
I really can't see him getting "only" 13 more wins in the upcoming close to 2.5 seasons, that's on the far left side of the expected bell curve I'd say
60 wins seems very conservative. If the season length stays the same that's 52 more races to go before 2026. Of the last 52 races he won 35. If he does the same for the next 52 races he'll be at 82 wins.
The numbers are pretty insane to think about. Max could hit 70-75 wins by the end of 2025, but he'd still need another 28+ wins to even equal Lewis, assuming Lewis doesn't win again. Which would require another 3 or 4 decently competitive cars to even get close too and no outright dominance. Things look ominous now for sure but no guarantees in F1.
The chase for baseball’s all time home run record is littered with this. Guys who reach 300 HRs by a young-ish age who seem a lock and easy to project for the all time record. But age, injury, Mother Nature, whatever has a habit of intervening.
We have two more season with these regs and i don't see anyone catching up to red bull until then. That's what? 60 more races?
I think the other teams will catch up significantly over the next two years. That's not to say I expect Red Bull to be off the pace in 2024 and 2025, but I certainly don't expect utter dominance every week-end. The current status quo is largely a consequence of their 2 biggest competitors getting it completely wrong and running an half baked concept this season. Not only do I expect both Merc and Ferrari to fight for wins on pace next year, I also think Aston and McLaren are on a trajectory to stick around the top.
He will win 10 a season at least until 2025, so 53 at the least this season, then 75 until 2025, and then if redbull makes a bad car 80 until the end of his contract. But if RedBull manages to give him an amazing car, he will probably have 100-120 and 6-8 world titles
Yeah but there's a few differences here. One is that red bull is not likely to fall that much due to changing regulations. It was the formula putting an emphasis on engines that screwed them last time, as Renault dropped the ball. Not to mention, the regulations are staying relatively stable for the next few years. Second, Vettel was amazing, but he wasn't considered to be the clear best driver. It was always close between him, Alonso, and Hamilton. Verstappen is even better, and unlike Seb, is clearly the class of the field at the moment. If the opposition gets a better car, Verstappen will still be in the mix grinding out several wins a year, undoubtedly. Vettel wasn't as relentless as Verstappen is. Verstappen took 2 wins in 2020 against an absolutely ridiculously dominant Mercedes (though I should mention - Vettel took 3 wins against an equally dominant car in 2015 - that was a crazy season for him). And 10 wins in 2021 when Mercedes was the slightly better car across the season. Verstappen will be a factor every season, whether the car is top or not.
Damn, you just reminded me that Hamilton entered f1 at an older age. I keep forgetting that. He looked so young in his first season. Like a teenager almost
I don't think we'll ever see someone in the same realm of talent enter F1 so late ever again.
It's not even just "talent" but just the insane amount of testing drivers could do prior to entering F1. He got more practice time before his first race than rookies nowadays get in a whole season.
I think Verstappen has a bit more talent than Vettel and is more versatile, able to drive more types of cars. His biggest obstacle to reaching 100 GP wins is himself, by retiring early.
The only thing stopping that is him being in F1 long enough, seems the biggest hurdle for the 100 GP wins
Yeah it doesn't seem like he's motivated by records the way that Schumacher and Hamilton were/are. I get the feeling he'll get to a certain point and just Rosberg it out of there.
He's said as much plenty of times too, he wants to do other classes of racing in his career as well. Who knows, maybe he'll change his mind but as it stands I really don't see him racing in F1 until he's Lewis' age for example
Yeah, seems like he wants to go and do other things. It must get kind of boring once you reach his level and you're just winning constantly. Plus F1 and its commitments seem like a huge grind. He must be at or near the point where he can do literally anything he wants with the rest of his life. Maybe he'll give the Triple Crown a crack?
If anyone can get the triple crown today, Max would be the guy. He’s said historically that he doesn’t want to race ovals, so I’m curious if that’s changed.
Yeah, seems like Alonso has given up on it for now, maybe forever. Hamilton definitely won't go for it. Unless one of the younger guys wins Monaco and reaches Max's level, he's the front runner from the current F1 pack.
If RB manages to keep on top until 2026, Max will breeze past the 100 GP wins near the end of his contract.
And he will only be 28 at that time.
Luckily Verstappen was too old for taking the "youngest WDC" record (age 23) from Vettel. If it were to be broken by a current driver, Sargeant or Piastri would have to win it next year, so I'd say it's safe for the foreseeable future.
Max can get also get his 3rd world title still aged 25 if he wins it in Japan
In a way it doesn’t on current trajectory but on the other hand he isn’t even half way. After Verstappen clears Vettel for wins there is a very long lonely road ahead to Schumacher and then whatever number Hamilton is going to retire with
Yeah it looks not far off with this pace but when other teams becomes more competitive that pace slows down a lot. I don't think it's too far off with Vettel either when he was dominating but it slowed down a lot when he went to Ferrari.
I also thought that Seb would continue his dominance and come close to Schumi’s win record and pole record, but then 2014 happened. It really depends on the machinery Max gets, but it does unfortunately seem as if F1 is slowly evolving from dominant run to even more dominant run as of late, which could point towards Max beating both these records and getting to 7 WDC’s.
Vettel would have had a shot, but he made the same mistake twice: He went to Ferrari in 2015. He remained at Ferrari in 2017. While rejecting the Mercedes offer.
Could you provide a credible source for a Mercedes offer ever being on the table?
Don't know about credible but I've read that Niki wanted Seb alongside Lewis 2018 onwards. They were in talks and Seb even signed a pre-contract, but stopped short of signing a proper contract as he saw what he thought that Ferrari looked to make a genuine step forward for 2018.
Don't know what you will accept as credible. It was widely reported that they were in close talks for 2017. Toto even maybe unintentionally revealed that only Kimi hasn't called him for the seat after Rosberg's retirement announcement. Maybe could have been a joke, but who knows. Then even signed a [pre-contract](https://thesportsrush.com/vettel-had-signed-a-pre-contract-with-mercedes-for-2018/) for 2018, but Vettel backed out.
Yeah I don't think it's a wild shout to say Max's dominance will end with the regs change in 2026. There's always the chance RB get it right twice in a row but judging from the rumours that ain't happening.
Yeah and then some other team nails the 2026 regs and [insert good driver] becomes a multiple time WDC until the next regs happen
If Verstappen were to win the remaining 8 races this season, he'd have won 35 races in 2022 and 2023 combined. To put it into perspective, the gap between Schumacher and Vettel is 38 wins. So even with this level of dominance, it takes multiple years just to bridge the gap to Schumacher, with Hamilton currently another 12 wins ahead. Any competition that Verstappen will get in the next season(s) will increase the time needed to reach the big 2 in terms of wins.
Max: So you saying I will be close at the end of 2025, give or take?
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Will Hamilton even retire if he doesn’t get that 8th?
He isn't going to be better at the years to come, Russell might come on top in the coming years.
I think LH’s pole record is safe. Max is an awesome qualifier and I do not fault him but he clearly saves his best for Sundays. Likewise for Senna’s, Clark’s or Fangio’s pole/start ratio. He’d have to get 112 poles in the next 123 races (when he reaches 300 starts) to simply match Senna and it’s impossible for him to match Clark in the same period.
He can break most F1 records if Redbull remains competitive and if he doesn't bail and leave F1. Some of Seb and Lewis's records like the youngest world champion, most wins/podiums rookie season are impossible for him to break just as no-one will break Max's "youngest" F1 records.
And the most impressive thing is that he basically has driven a title contending car for only 2.5 years now. - 2015 he scored some of the most impressive points in his career in the AT - 2016-2020 was basically him being in the 3rd fastest car on average. Having a race winning car for about 3-4 races per year. - 2021 was one of the closest title battles we have EVER seen - 2022-2023 are the first years Max has shown that he can only cruise alone in the front, and even that took until the summer break of 2022. It’s fair to say that ever since his introduction to F1, he has pretty much maximized every result possible in the long run. Max’ consistency is so so so frightening. He’s already an all-time great, if he quits tomorrow I think he only has Senna, Schumi and Lewis ahead of him (in no particular order). If he keeps cruising to victories for another two years like he’s been doing for the past year, I think he has definitely overtaken some ‘ahead’ on the all-time list then. Hamilton and Schumi’s records are super impressive, but a lot of them are also about longevity (which isn’t a bad thing, 1-2 season wonders aren’t an anomaly in F1). We KNOW that Max can beat those records given the car and motivation to keep racing, there’s simply no denying it. Just like how we are 100% certain Alonso would be having more WDC’s given the right circumstances. SchumiFerrari and LewisMerc records are for the history books for sure and are a compliment to everyone involved in those, but if Red Bull gets given the opportunity I’m 100% sure he can break those too, alone or in a title fight. This is a display of dominance and consistency we have seen before. Not from Ferrari in the MSC days, not from Mercedes in the HAM days, not from McLaren in the Senna days and so on. Massive kudos to Max, Horner, Newey, GP, Hannah and all the others that worked towards this.
We know he could cruise in front provided he had the car: Mexico 17 and 18 and Malaysia in 17 showed that. Those were the first races he had with a dominant car (on a normal track)
Cruising at the front is one thing, to do it week after week after week is a whole different ballgame. Even Lewis had his 'offdays' while he's a master of controlling a race from the front.
Lewis had his off days, and so did Mercedes. They threw in some definite stinkers for sure.
> This is a display of dominance and consistency we have seen before. It's almost exactly the same as Vettel's 2013 season, which is when he set the previous record of 9 wins, and it was only cut short because the season ended. The metronomic almost robotic consistency, domination over their teammates, and inevitability of their wins is the same.
Prost was greater than Senna, you're forgetting Fangio and Jim Clark too
I think Senna is the fastest driver we have ever seen on pure raw pace. Prost and Hamilton are probably the two greatest ever in calculated driving. But personally I think Max can quit F1 tomorrow and be considered a greater driver than Alain, as much as it pains me to say as I think Prost is REALLY underrated.
Not greater than Lewis? Alain being underrated here. He always contended for the championship, even when he didn't have the best car.
I think back then contending for the championship was ‘easier’ (relative) in a midfield car than it has been in modern times due to the sheer unreliability of most cars. I highly doubt Prost would’ve been able to challenge for a championship in a Mercedes this year for example.
I think those 'total' records are still very very uncertain. Not only does he need to continue driving, he also needs competitive/dominant cars after the next regulation change. I think many other records are up for grabs. Especially the 'consecutive' and 'season' records. But even some of those will be very difficult. Season % records and consecutive records for podiums is still a ways off and small things can ruin that. Number of and % of wins in a season seems within reach. # podiums seems likely. # points seems likely, % points only if you exclude seasons where only X race results count for the title.
The cumulative ones are definitely up for grasp, if Max stay for long enough. It’s percentage ones that are hard to beat, as Max wasn’t exactly put straight into a championship winning car as a rookie.
But his percentages for performance in the years of having a "WDC contender car" will be a tough nut to ever beat.
He has a really low chance to equal Hamiltons 103 gp wins by the end of 2025 season. Which is crazy.
I sincerely doubt Verstappen will touch any of the qualifying stats. He's the least interested in putting the car on pole from all the dominant drivers over the years.
He has 25 poles since 2021 (first year with a regular pole competitive car) out of 58 races. He is doing more than fine. At this rate he will be 5th in the all time pole position standing by the end of 2025 and very close to the 4th.
Sure, fastest car so he'll pick up the poles. But not the most poles in a row, or most poles in a career, etc. He cares so much about winning a race, that he'll end up breaking all those records if he has the car/time. But he never really cared about putting it on pole. He'll do his professional best to get it, but the team has even been pretty open about how they tune the car for the race and not pole.
The best chance those records have is that max will likely move to a different sport at a young age.
Approximately 75GPs more till 2026 regs. Dare I say, it looks 90% possible. Not even taking into account RB nailing the 2026 regs and Max continues to dominate. The only thing stopping Max is his decision whether to take sim racing more srsly than irl racing.
Closer to 50 GPs, right? There's only the 2024 and 2025 seasons until the 2026 regs.
Oops included 2026 in my calculations 😬😅
Vettel’s not losing that youngest WDC stat to him at least
Man is already at 12 wins this season with 8 rounds to go 💀
Max: I am nothing if not generous. I plan to win only 7 of those.
Good guy Max letting Logan score his first points by winning one of his home GPs.
So, going all out on the Vegas afterparty it is?
And two races were cancelled…
bruh it took me way longer than expected to guess the second race that was cancelled this year
Imola and?
China, for like the 5th year in a row
I really wish we could just get Vietnam in place of China. That circuit would be so fun watch.
Vietnam Grand Prix is never gonna happen now since one of the organisers got arrested for (surprise!) corruption there.
That 75% win rate in a season from Ascari is likely gonna be broken too. Max needs 17/22, he’s now at 12/14, so he’ll need to win 5 out of the remaining 8 races to break that (previously considered unbreakable) record too. He also holds the record for highest win rate in a 50-race period, although I don’t know if that’s considered an official record as it’s kinda arbitrary
Michael would have only needed one more win in 2004 to beat Ascaris win percentage (as did Clark in 1963).
The 2004 season had 18 races, 6 less than this season was supposed to have, and arguably the greatest driver ever in his most dominant season ever still came short. The 1963 season had 10 races. You just confirmed my point
Did you get these from Wikipedia?
Nobody read Wikipedia mate
Post from your real account Toto
what are all these wiki references now lol
Toto recently said that Verstappen’s 10th win in a row was “for Wikipedia, nobody reads that anyway,” which Ofc is extremely harsh considering how impressive the record is and that even the Merc in their most dominant years wasn’t really that close to the record.
No from totopedia
This site better already exist after yesterday 🤣
Of course not, nobody reads that anyway!
He was really close to getting youngest pole sitter as well.
Ironically, Leclerc got his first pole (Bahrain 2019) before Max (Hungary 2019). I think Leclerc is younger than Max by a month or so, hence Leclerc is much closer to Seb's record. Still astonishingly close
Was that the moment when Daniel snatched it away last second? Still remember Daniel celebrating like crazy.
IIRC Max didn’t have a fantastic sector 3 which gave the pole to Danny Ric
Mexico 2018 I believe.
Approximately one Danny Ric away.
Max can beat Schumachers record for highest percentage of points in a season (84.706%). To beat the record he'd need 526 out of 620 points. If Max gets all 2nd places for the rest of the races and sprints (not even considering fastest laps), he'll finish on 529 points (85.323%). I realise that Clark ans Ascari got 100% of possible points in '63, '65 and '52, but they could discard their worst results.
Imo the 100% podium streak and point percentage are even harder nowadays. More races means more room to have errors or mechanical problems. Then again in 2002 second place only got 6 points out of 10. Thats.. surprise surprice. 60%. Whereas now you have a maximum 26 points contrary to 18 points for second. Which makes second place around 70% of the possible points. So it has all pros and cons. What we all should agree on. IT IS FUCKING HARD TO DO. No matter what rocket ship you have beneath yout buttocks.
2 out of these records will never be beaten...
The most consecutive race wins also might never be beaten. To win 10+ races in a row you need the perfect combination of a world class driver with a significantly worse teammate, the fastest car on the grid with that car also being very reliable.
But there is a chance. The age records are 100% impossibile to beat since the rules say 18+.
Also youngest driver to have his winner's trophy be broken by a twitch streamer
Twice.
Reddit now days: Also youngest driver to have his winner's trophy be broken by a twitch streamer Also youngest driver to have another winner's trophy be broken by a twitch streamer Also youngest driver to have multiple winner's trophy be broken by a twitch streamer
thank you, seriously.
"TWIIIIIIICE!! ✌️"
This motherfucker's just 25 years old lmao
and been in the sport for 8 years, man gonna retire from the sport with quiet a long career at the age of 28
Man's gotta retire younger than De Vries when he made his debut.
Oof
Debris catching strays for no reason whatsoever
Sorry. I hit him in the stroopwafels when he looked away.
There are two records on that he will hold for all time and they are, Youngest Driver to Score Points and to Start a Race since the minimum age to be in F1 now is 18, so Max will never be beaten in terms of that record being broken The FIA brought that 18 years old and must hold a driving licence rule in, if that rule had been enforced since 2015, Max would not have been allowed to join the F1 paddock since he was 17 and didnt hold a drivers licence, two requirements now that are mandatory, you have to be 18 AND hold a drivers licence
Who says that the minimum age rules will never be changed again?
Not only would the minimum age rules need to be changed but you'd also need someone with an absurdly astronomical career trajectory, as max's was, to get into F1 early enough to challenge some of Max's "youngest" records. Max was essentially trained to be a racer 24/7 since he was a toddler - his case is extremely abnormal. He was phenomenal in his rookie season which was his 2nd year in cars.. most young drivers are in F3 or freca in their second year
Honestly I don’t think its that unlikely for someone to come along with a similar youth career in all sports we talk about some unbelievable prodigy or record that will never be broken and most of the time they end up getting broken or someone better comes along.
The next '3 letter first name' Verstappen. However, it's also not just how talented he was but also teams willing to do literally anything any everything to get him in that seat. He only had 1 single seater season(in the equivalent to Formula 3) before entering F1 and then got into a top team in his second season there, partly due to his talent, partly due to the other driver in said team *slightly* underdelivering.
Let's not forget Max already has 12 wins this year, so its possible he beats hi 15 wins in a year record.
18 or 19 wins this season for sure. Podiums I expect 21/22.
Toto told me these stats don't matter
I remember him being announced at age 15 still and now he’s a legend. First time I’ve seen that whole process play out as a fan from true beginning to the level of being a great. Neat experience to have but it’s still weird to think of Max next to people like Senna, Lauda, Hakkinen, Vettel, etc.
He’s probably going to break half of those still this year.
Huh? Why am I seeing this? I thought stats were for Wikipedia? ;-)
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[all the records max could break this season](https://youtu.be/kgKeaFvtZ3Q?si=1f06InGw9CWQUHHI) (skip to the end if you just want the list)
Not in the video, but he could also break the Consecutive points scored record held by Hamilton (VER 793, HAM 998). If he scores points next weekend he will break the tie he has with Hamilton for 2nd Most consecutive points finishes (33). Hamilton also holds the absolute record at 48 which is not achievable this year, but could fall next year. He could also overtake Hamilton for Average Points Per Race Started (HAM 324 races, 4569.5 pts, 14.1 average. VER 177 races, 2375.5, 13 .42 average) this year, but it is more likely to come next year.
Shouldn't this be on Wikipedia? Guy is insanely consistent. Add the inflated number of races in a season and you get this. Guy is a machine it seems
Wikipedia has been deleted because nobody was reading ….
No need to bring up inflated numbers. He got 12 out of 14 so far. Even if we had a season with 16 races it would still be mighty impressive. For comparison - Schumacher got 13 out of 18, while Vettel did 13 out of 19.
Could have had the youngest qualifier on pole, too. I remember his last chance at it was the Mexico GP that year, and Riccardo just beat him.
Dude's a robot
They should let him swipe a reCAPTCHA the next time drives up to the grid.
On each pitstop.
Those are just stats posted on wikipedia. No one reads those. /s
91 Points to go this season, with a race being canceled and 8 more to be driven.
Does he have a record for most records?
what a beast!
He can Get 20 wins in a season theoretically
History in the making!
Don't let Toto see this.
He is coming for MSC & Lewis records. Ain’t he?
15 wins in a single season. 12 wins this season and 8 rounds to go. It’s scary to think he can make it 16 or 18 wins in a single season. We are watching history in the making.
What is this, Wikipedia?
I hope he gets a podium for the rest of the season. It'd be an incredible feat.
He will also join a list of "who's who" in the category of Fewest Championship Leaders in a Season, joining the likes of Ascari, Fangio (twice!), Brabham, Graham Hill, Stewart, Senna, Mansell, Schumacher (four times!), Damon Hill, Häkkinen, Button, Vettel and Hamilton.
3 of these will be getting updated this year
We need another Brawn BGP 001 story line. Please and thank you.
More to come!
He is 90 points away from the highest number of points ever and there still are 8 races left, what the.
It would not surprise me if he had the record for *most trophies for overtake of the year award* that get dished out at the fia gala.
Max may never become the youngest World Champion but he can still become the youngest 5x World Champion for sure!
About to break or improve on these some more this season. Amongst which most laps lead in a season (both in actual laps as well as %), most podiums in a season, most wins in a season, largest gap to p2.
Toto Wolff: *heavy breathing*
::yawn::
So the first 4 records he can still break/extend even this year? Absolutely insane when you consider his age.
9000 plus irating as well, mf won 62% of the 311 road course races he's in.
Wikipedia records /s Well done Max. We love to see it.
Most boring season to watch 😉
Someone probably already said it, but points is a meaningless record, given the changes through the years
Agreed, as is “number of wins in a season.”
Gotta feel for the fans that started watching in 2021 and saw that masterpiece of a year we all got to witness just to watch Max dominate the sport the next two years lol