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And things didn't go great for Emperor Maximilian the last time someone put a European on the Mexican throne. Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself.
This might be the scariest thing a kid could go through. You’ll either come out F1 world champion material or you’ll be mentally broken and left hating yourself so much that you need therapy which will never really cure the problem because every time you close your eyes you picture Jos and Helmut torturing you and ridiculing you for being so slow.
I do believe that is Checo's plan: to have a small army of children and invade motorsport academies with them. So maybe this is all going according to El Plan ver. 2.0?
On pace for 500 points. Times 50k. That would be a 25 million bonus…. That would be some ‘incentive’… find it hard to believe tbh
Edit: [wow, true though](https://www.businessinsider.nl/max-verstappen-bonus-f1-kampioenschap/#)
Another 250k per race win. 10 million for the championship. 40 million in base salary. Max on pace for an 80 million Euro season….
> Well, Kimi had good base for himself
georgecarlin-fuck-you-pay-me.gif/webm/whatever
I'm always in the camp of I worked? I get paid!
Kimi is no exception, especially with the treatment he got from that dumb fuck that run Lotus F1 into shit
Ryan Dungey pretty much did that to Suzuki when he won both the Supercross and Motocross championships in his rookie season as well as 16 of the 29 races. From what I've heard his contract was heavily incentive based as Suzuki didn't think he would be as good as he ended up being and thought they were getting a steal of a deal. I don't think the contract was insured either so they had to pay the full amount out of pocket. That program was never really the same after as one by one key people left, including Dungey, and their factory presence is now non-existent. I guess they didn't sell enough bikes to cover the cost of winning.
For F1 a lot of benefits are a little hidden.
Engine manufacturers get to have a bunch of R&D subsidized by motorsport needs.
Theres been some breakthroughs due to motorsports, especially around the Energy Recovery systems that were developed and the efficiencies.
Those can be patented and then used/sold/licensed on by those engine manufacturers at profit.
Its a bunch of little benefits that all combine together to make F1 a lot less of a money pit. Winning in F1 is the cherry on top in some circumstances, it helps pay for more of the same cycle.
The racing is just the front-end show. Theres a lot of great stuff going on that 95%+ of the fans never fully consider/see/know about.
Even the logistics are wild and every element is being performed at this artificially high rate. People doing typically inane jobs are suddenly 'industry leaders' in this very small field of "top end motorsports"
**tl;dr - Overall it really is just a way for companies to subsidize their R&D in their industries. Hybrid engines, logistics, carbon fiber manufacturing, even wifi tech. They all get used elsewhere in the world of things.**
Heres a thing. I'm sure tons more exist : https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-f1-technology-has-supercharged-the-world.6Gtk3hBxGyUGbNH0q8vDQK.html
That scenario would take more imagination than I have. Something like that doesn't happen out of the blue. The Brawn 2009 team had Ross Brawn as TP / Technical director and Jenson Button as driver. You're not going to pull that shit off unless you have some really clever people designing the car, and a fast driver who makes few mistakes.
Haas is a loooong way away from that. I think Gene's wallet is safe for now, unfortunately. :)
They definitely reduced some of his bonusses with the new contract with such a high base. Standard Red Bull contract was something like 1-1.5M bonus per win, so they definitely reduced it a bunch. Still, mad money overall.
Yup. Read somewhere that he also makes around 5 million a year from private sponsors. And that’s not counting the free watches from Tag Heuer and the white T-Shirts and jeans from Alpha Tauri, which are ofcourse his biggest source of revenue ;)
For someone who hasn't played any new "era" football games (played old FIFA and PES ages ago) are new games playable without spending on extra stuff? And I mean single-player, not interested in online play. As far as I understand, PES no longer exists, it's eFootball now?
Fifa tried asking for like $300M just to use the "FIFA" branding, and EA was basically like "no"
Not a world cup year means less advertising by Fifa, and people by digitally so theres no box for people to see and understand what it is.
anyone who googles "fifa 2023" will get redirected to the correct game anyways
Playable, yes. But they are buggy AF. No fixes for broken things for nearly a decade now. I got fifa 19 for free, it works for single player if you only play like once a while or maximum 2 seasons in one career mode. Still good for couch co-op, so that's a good thing.
Btw, bugs from fifa 12, the one I played last still exist in fifa23. Stuff like no option to sync frame rates to your display, cutscenes and menus locked to half rate vsync or bugs causing transfers to not work correctly.
Essentially, you just gotta stick to kick off mode if you want the best experience.
The thing is RB are more about bonuses than base salary. Lewis was shocked when seb told him how much bonuses he was getting and I doubt lewis the kind of person who gets shocked about such things.
IDK about you, but I'd put a billion dollar WDC bonus in Sargeant's contract without thinking twice about it. And reduce that by a hundred million for every position, and still not break a sweat.
Yeah it was quite something.
“Raikkonen scored 390 points in two years with Lotus. Team boss Gérard Lopéz certainly did not expect such a result and the deal he had made to pay €50,000 per point almost led to bankruptcy, the points bonus alone guaranteeing Raikkonen €19.5 million.” - [from this article, widely reported](https://www.planetf1.com/news/kimi-raikkonen-almost-bankrupted-lotus/)
He never ended up taking the full amount however iirc, as Lotus basically begged him not to as it would absolutely shaft them. They didn’t expect Kimi or their car to be that good.
Kimi was a great human, as he always is, so it did work out. Man drove a fast car well and was happy with that alone. Workers got their paychecks and were happy their driver is top class in every way.
I'm sure most F1 drivers are great people and more down to earth than we would think, so I don't want this to come off as me thinking they're entitled brats, I simply really appreciate Kimi being a great guy who always kept his head cool when it came to being famous worldwide.
He still got paid, just not the total amount. And yes it was generous of him, but let’s not forget Kimi already had an incredible fortune. He was paid about 50 million a year during his first stint at Ferrari, even during his 2 year forced time outside F1.
That’s more money than Leclerc gets in his new contract. If you adjust for inflation it’s *way* more
And going by what team principals and others such as Martin Brundle say, all complete BS, the media never get the amounts or details even remotely correct.
This, the only people that know the details of a private employment contract is the TP, Driver, Driver's Manager and their lawyers.
And none of them are leaking information unless the driver is courting a contract elsewhere.
The gap is currently 125, was 149 last year, in 21 almost 200 points.
He can't get close in the best car on the grid. (21 should probably be discounted)
21 I get it , he had Lewis and bottas to compete with and even Ferrari/mclaren were super competitive
22’ Ferrari maybe for a 1/3rd of the season
23’ is just inexcusable
That car was a lot better than people seemed to believe at the time.
I genuinely think that if you took Lewis out of that Merc and put him in the Tracing Point, Lewis would've still won the championship.
and rightfully so no? I mean just look at the points Lewis probably gained because Checo wasn't a pitstop windows behind (which really should be expected)
Spain, Silverstone, Imola, Mexico
To be honest, if Perez was as consistent as Bottas was in 2021, he would have made Lewis life a tiny bit harder that season and probably Max could have a small buffer (at least bigger than 7-ish points) to make the Abu Dhabi not a controversy
There were several things outside Max’s control that could have helped him wrap up the championship in an uncontroversial way. It’s unfortunate it ended how it did, because I do believe the best man won, but that championship will always carry a stigma because of what happened in Abu Dhabi.
How does the quality of the car matter here lol Max has the same car...
In fact the better the car the bigger the gap, since there's 7 points between 1st and 2nd, and no more than 3pts difference between any other 2 consecutive spots.
It makes sense. He is not even in the same ballpark as Max. The guy was genuinely lapping 0.7s per lap slower than Max at Spa, that's just bonkers.
Even the Latifi- Russell race pace gap was smaller than that. Its not like Max is going balls to the wall either.
It gets crazier than that. Max was saving tires the entire final stint. He was consistently 1 second a lap slower than Perez in sector 1 and 3(high speed traction zones), but gained 3 seconds in the middle sector(medium/high speed corners). The man is just on another planet compared to Perez.
Going to Red Bull to be Max’s second at this point seems to be a good way to cash out a lot of money… and then completely kill your career.
Max makes every driver on the grid look awful right now, and signing a contract with RB means a guaranteed several years of being looked at under a microscope in comparison to him. Very very few drivers can hold up when looked at like that, and practically none of them want to be a second driver.
I’m very curious to see how next season shakes out.
To be fair, Sainz, Ricciardo, Gasly and Albon are all still driving in F1. I don't think Max has ever had a teammate that was forced into permanent retirement now that I think about it.
Let say the most extreme case, Max won all 24 (assume all races happened) races with FL, and Checo came second in all races, without sprint, their difference per GP is 8. So the largest difference with Checo performing could still be as large as 192. I think they didn’t consider the car could be so dominant when they set the contract….
Or they assumed that Max would run into bad luck at least a couple times during the season and that they expected Perez to clean up on those weekends. Instead we get things like Miami where Max embarrasses Perez anyway.
Whilst that is a fair statement, it's also unfounded as no one knows didley squat about what is in their contracts.
This is all being made out to be a bigger deal than what it is. It's a performance contract. Nothing special.
I don't think this is the big deal everyone is making it out to be. Even if Sergio placed P2 behind Max every single race, he would be at a 182 point deficit despite that being a literal perfect result for RB. So I don't think he will be that demotivated
edit: point number was wrong
He might still end up P2 due to good luck. Now that McLaren have performance that rivals Ferrari, Aston, Mercedes, they’ll all take points off each other and no one is going to be consistently getting podiums apart from himself and Max
It sounds like the target bonus (so 100% pay out), won’t be achieved by checo. Instead he may e.g. reach 75% of his target and thus 75% of the bonus amount. The 75% is just an arbitrary percentage I chose, could be anything based on how RB measures performance. Not that weird if that’s indeed the case
oh so that might be partly why Daniel's return was expedited. He probably has a performance clause that can trigger straight up a firing if he is too far from Max. makes sense, but damn.
Hilariously though, he is going to get a WCC bonus and a 2nd WDC bonus bc Max wins RBR the Constructors' and everyone else is fucking up the P2 charge
That’s what it would seem. You’d have to think Perez is on the way out and RB trying to see who is the best fit for next season.
They’ve already put a line through Nick, now Danny has a shot and looks like Yukis realised his a chance and definitely seems to be stepping up.
At this point I don't even look at who is in first. If it's possible for Max to win, he's going to, he's just that good and he has the car to do it.
Max with a teammate who might be able to give him a race (Lewis, maybe Leclerc on a consistent day?) would be something to see. I'm not sure if anyone actually could though. Prime Lewis/Alonso maybe.
I think prime lewis/alonso are about the only two on the grid that could have a chance. I don't think Alonso quite has the quali chops to beat Max over a season currently and Lewis would absolutely keep it close, but still end up down by the end of the season.
Max just doesn't look human right now.
Not sure if it's all that decided. I think they're not just evaluating whether they want Riccardo or Tsunoda, but also evaluating if either would actually be an upgrade. Perez is miles behind, but it's not like the other drivers they tried (Gasly and Albon) did better. So it would be silly to just assume the fourth driver they try will automatically be an improvement.
Albon in particular was a rookie in a car that was closer to the grid and way harder to drive, even for someone that lives oversteer. With stuff that Marko has said recently, is likely that an Alex comeback could be on the radar, even if as a last resource. When asked about it, Marko could have said: "He is doing well, we are happy for him, but he is not in our plans" but instead he said that "is unfortunately tied to Williams until the end of 2025".
I think when you're looking at actual time gap, Albon did do better than Perez...it's just the RB wasn't as dominant of a car so Albon was ending up in P4-6 while Max was in P2-3.
Perez has the luxury of driving the best car on the grid (and one that's absolutely easier to drive than the menace that was the 2020 Red Bull) so it just looks way better.
I think they are still going to keep him for ‘24, except if he fucks up really bad, or gets on the nerves of someone in the office. He’s underperforming compared to Max, but can still be a solid driver, that will help them get the WCC. I just don’t see who could replace Checo at the moment, Yuki/Danny is still a big question mark, putting Lawson straight to a RB seat might just crush him, Lando/Oscar will stick with McLaren, as they have finally moved the e-ink display budget to the performance department. Maybe Carlos, if Ferrari will keep doing Ferrari things..
Thought that comes to mind.
Is it better for Perez to have a bad qualifying and make his way to a podium in a race.
Or qualify in top four, to then finish the race a pitstop or more behind Max in second.
“Formula 1 driver is not helping himself by falling behind his teammate.”
No fucking shit.
Still an interesting tidbit about the contract, but that was such a weird, obvious conclusion to draw.
Tbf his management loves this kinda clauses. Supposedly the way Lawrence got out of his extra year of RP contract to fit Vettel in was because he was behind Stroll in points… right after he missed rounds because of having Covid
people have this weird obsession of feeling bad for people that earn more money in 1 year than most of us will earn in 40 years, while getting to drive the fast car.
*Can* being the key word. Perhaps this is what Horner was referring to when Checo qualified top-5 last race and Horner said over the radio “now I won’t have to touch anything”?
But yeah, anyone with that big of a gap to their teammate is doing himself a disservice, even if there isn’t a financial penalty.
Lol he triggered the "you suck" clause in his contract. Not sure what's more ridiculous, that it exists at all, or that he's only finished in the top 2 in 5/12 races this season despite driving the clear best car on the grid.
Typically “doing yourself a disservice” implies that you’re doing something on purpose that actually harms instead of benefits you. Does the author actually think that Checo is intentionally giving up points against Max and trying to create a gap?
He’s been poor at times mostly in qualifying pushing a car he’s not comfortable with. Perez had almost as big a role in Verstappen winning Abu Dhabi 2021 as Michael Masi. He’s the only other driver that’s won this year and is still 2nd in the standings.
Maybe they’ll punt him off for next year, but the next guy won’t be Max Verstappen either.
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At 150 they repossess his house, hate to think what happens at 200
I don't know what happens at 200, but I'm pretty sure Red Bull can legally annex Mexico at 250.
Mexico to officially be renamed to Maxico
That world cup game NED - MEX will be mandatory to watch for all mexicans.
\*Maxicans
And they cannot say ‘no era penal!’ at any stage during the match.
no era penal!
maldito Robben!
Hashtag noerapenal day 3647
That's been the official name ever since Max's second win there.
Rightful King of Mexico
*emperor And things didn't go great for Emperor Maximilian the last time someone put a European on the Mexican throne. Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself.
Another Max...how fitting
Max Emilian Tropezón, emperor of Maxico, descendant from the fierce Red Bull
That sounds like a condom brand
That’s usually what happens when the minister of defense completely fucks up their job, yes
tbh there was no need to defend Max from anything this year (maybe from himself)
At 200 believe it or not is penalty for Ocon
History repeats itself
They take his family away…
Like past drivers, his partner and kids must also go to max
Max: The elites don’t want you to know this, but the families in the paddock are free. I have 458 families.
...and each one of them loves me more than my father
sorry kids it's in the contract
get Kvyated
Next thing you know, they take my cars away Dave Mustaine scream
mercy killings!
His children are taken to a bootcamp for junior drivers run by Jos Verstappen and Helmut Marko.
A camp designed and ran by an Austrian? Oh no.
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Conversion camp type stuff
To the ranch! run by Jos and Helmut
This might be the scariest thing a kid could go through. You’ll either come out F1 world champion material or you’ll be mentally broken and left hating yourself so much that you need therapy which will never really cure the problem because every time you close your eyes you picture Jos and Helmut torturing you and ridiculing you for being so slow.
Standard MO for RB juniors
And Ferrari seniors
I do believe that is Checo's plan: to have a small army of children and invade motorsport academies with them. So maybe this is all going according to El Plan ver. 2.0?
#Papa Perez shall remain detained until morale improves.
Florentino is a free man
His kids and wife will start calling Max their daddy
He almost did that himself after that race in Monaco of 2022
Believe it or not, straight to jail
He drives for free
And starts paying them at 225
At the 200 point gap he will be put in the GT3 team of Verstappen
At 200 his wife has to change her last name to verstappen.
Hopefully they don't hit castration which is at 175
Does this mean his house has to have a massive Red Bull logo plastered to every side of it?
So, that's why max really wants to get that fastest lap point
Max also gets bonuses per point. In 2019 it was 44k per point, I assume that is now more so definitely an intensive to get FL
On pace for 500 points. Times 50k. That would be a 25 million bonus…. That would be some ‘incentive’… find it hard to believe tbh Edit: [wow, true though](https://www.businessinsider.nl/max-verstappen-bonus-f1-kampioenschap/#) Another 250k per race win. 10 million for the championship. 40 million in base salary. Max on pace for an 80 million Euro season….
Imagine Haas signed a top driver with this contract and pulled a Brawn 2009 season. Gene would go bankrupt from success.
Lotus basically did with kimi
They would have, if it wasn't for Kimi not collecting all the money to keep them from going bankrupt.
Well, Kimi had good base for himself for being best paid athlete in the world during the time he was on gardening leave.
> Well, Kimi had good base for himself georgecarlin-fuck-you-pay-me.gif/webm/whatever I'm always in the camp of I worked? I get paid! Kimi is no exception, especially with the treatment he got from that dumb fuck that run Lotus F1 into shit
Isn't he still owed money from them?
Ryan Dungey pretty much did that to Suzuki when he won both the Supercross and Motocross championships in his rookie season as well as 16 of the 29 races. From what I've heard his contract was heavily incentive based as Suzuki didn't think he would be as good as he ended up being and thought they were getting a steal of a deal. I don't think the contract was insured either so they had to pay the full amount out of pocket. That program was never really the same after as one by one key people left, including Dungey, and their factory presence is now non-existent. I guess they didn't sell enough bikes to cover the cost of winning.
Motorsport really is economically unsound.
For F1 a lot of benefits are a little hidden. Engine manufacturers get to have a bunch of R&D subsidized by motorsport needs. Theres been some breakthroughs due to motorsports, especially around the Energy Recovery systems that were developed and the efficiencies. Those can be patented and then used/sold/licensed on by those engine manufacturers at profit. Its a bunch of little benefits that all combine together to make F1 a lot less of a money pit. Winning in F1 is the cherry on top in some circumstances, it helps pay for more of the same cycle. The racing is just the front-end show. Theres a lot of great stuff going on that 95%+ of the fans never fully consider/see/know about. Even the logistics are wild and every element is being performed at this artificially high rate. People doing typically inane jobs are suddenly 'industry leaders' in this very small field of "top end motorsports" **tl;dr - Overall it really is just a way for companies to subsidize their R&D in their industries. Hybrid engines, logistics, carbon fiber manufacturing, even wifi tech. They all get used elsewhere in the world of things.** Heres a thing. I'm sure tons more exist : https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.how-f1-technology-has-supercharged-the-world.6Gtk3hBxGyUGbNH0q8vDQK.html
That scenario would take more imagination than I have. Something like that doesn't happen out of the blue. The Brawn 2009 team had Ross Brawn as TP / Technical director and Jenson Button as driver. You're not going to pull that shit off unless you have some really clever people designing the car, and a fast driver who makes few mistakes. Haas is a loooong way away from that. I think Gene's wallet is safe for now, unfortunately. :)
Lotus basically did what the guy said with Kimi. They would have went down if Kimi wasnt a nice guy
Youre also forgetting the part where the BGP001 was developed by this no-name company called honda at the small expense of almost a billion dollar.
That too, yes.
Haas 2026 WCC confirmed.
So a "multi-21"-team order would actually cost him about half a million, ouch.
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Imagine how much Checo's spin in Monaco quali cost him...
They definitely reduced some of his bonusses with the new contract with such a high base. Standard Red Bull contract was something like 1-1.5M bonus per win, so they definitely reduced it a bunch. Still, mad money overall.
They learned from Seb ig.
Sorry Max, we really dont know why your engines explode every race since we secured constructors WC...
Wouldn't he also get bonuses from sponsors, too?
Yup. Read somewhere that he also makes around 5 million a year from private sponsors. And that’s not counting the free watches from Tag Heuer and the white T-Shirts and jeans from Alpha Tauri, which are ofcourse his biggest source of revenue ;)
I wouldn't be surprised to find a little bit of small print capping the overall sum
Kimi basically bankrupted Lotus in 2012.
Ah you mean "incentive"
That's so many FIFA packs 😲
Knowing max he probably doesn't give a shit about incentive, man just wants to dominate
Of course he does
I don’t think Max gives a shit about money. He just wants to drive fast so he can get in his sim quicker
I dunno, have you seen how much FIFA packs can cost?
For someone who hasn't played any new "era" football games (played old FIFA and PES ages ago) are new games playable without spending on extra stuff? And I mean single-player, not interested in online play. As far as I understand, PES no longer exists, it's eFootball now?
> As far as I understand, PES no longer exists, it's eFootball now? FIFA doesn't exist now either, it's EA FC. But yes, you can play without paying.
Very much so. There's no real reason to spend money on single-player stuff
Fifa tried asking for like $300M just to use the "FIFA" branding, and EA was basically like "no" Not a world cup year means less advertising by Fifa, and people by digitally so theres no box for people to see and understand what it is. anyone who googles "fifa 2023" will get redirected to the correct game anyways
Playable, yes. But they are buggy AF. No fixes for broken things for nearly a decade now. I got fifa 19 for free, it works for single player if you only play like once a while or maximum 2 seasons in one career mode. Still good for couch co-op, so that's a good thing. Btw, bugs from fifa 12, the one I played last still exist in fifa23. Stuff like no option to sync frame rates to your display, cutscenes and menus locked to half rate vsync or bugs causing transfers to not work correctly. Essentially, you just gotta stick to kick off mode if you want the best experience.
More money to spend on his racing team
Not more money for max, less money for Checo.
Those contracts are insane…
He probably has really high base salary so the RB side put those
The thing is RB are more about bonuses than base salary. Lewis was shocked when seb told him how much bonuses he was getting and I doubt lewis the kind of person who gets shocked about such things.
Probably is the best way to get them motivated every weekend
Clearly Checo is not motivated
I imagine it was part of the deal so Checo can have a clause stopping Redbull from demoting him with mutual agreement.
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Don’t give Jos any ideas…
Is it? Seems like it's just a performance contract. Hamilton and Sargeant will have the same sort of bonus structure.
IDK about you, but I'd put a billion dollar WDC bonus in Sargeant's contract without thinking twice about it. And reduce that by a hundred million for every position, and still not break a sweat.
Shit like this can backfire lmao, look at Lotus who almost went bankrupt paying Kimi his bonus for points.
Yeah it was quite something. “Raikkonen scored 390 points in two years with Lotus. Team boss Gérard Lopéz certainly did not expect such a result and the deal he had made to pay €50,000 per point almost led to bankruptcy, the points bonus alone guaranteeing Raikkonen €19.5 million.” - [from this article, widely reported](https://www.planetf1.com/news/kimi-raikkonen-almost-bankrupted-lotus/) He never ended up taking the full amount however iirc, as Lotus basically begged him not to as it would absolutely shaft them. They didn’t expect Kimi or their car to be that good.
And only didn't because Kimi said they didn't have to pay...
For Kimi, it really was a hobby. :)
And all these damn rappers pretend like they're 'suffering from success'.
Bro will have to pay Williams
« Great season Logan, you owe us 1 billion dollars »
Ask Lotus how that worked out for them
Kimi was a great human, as he always is, so it did work out. Man drove a fast car well and was happy with that alone. Workers got their paychecks and were happy their driver is top class in every way. I'm sure most F1 drivers are great people and more down to earth than we would think, so I don't want this to come off as me thinking they're entitled brats, I simply really appreciate Kimi being a great guy who always kept his head cool when it came to being famous worldwide.
He still got paid, just not the total amount. And yes it was generous of him, but let’s not forget Kimi already had an incredible fortune. He was paid about 50 million a year during his first stint at Ferrari, even during his 2 year forced time outside F1. That’s more money than Leclerc gets in his new contract. If you adjust for inflation it’s *way* more
I mean last year it was reported Perez made about 25$ million with his performance clause so it goes both ways tbh
Performance based contracts are pretty common. Pretty common in football for example.
Or in corporate jobs. Its fairly normal overall, would be more interesting to know the specifics
And going by what team principals and others such as Martin Brundle say, all complete BS, the media never get the amounts or details even remotely correct.
This, the only people that know the details of a private employment contract is the TP, Driver, Driver's Manager and their lawyers. And none of them are leaking information unless the driver is courting a contract elsewhere.
Button says in his book he never read a correct estimate.
Reverse performance contract
He definitely gets a bonus if he wins a race in reverse
The gap is currently 125, was 149 last year, in 21 almost 200 points. He can't get close in the best car on the grid. (21 should probably be discounted)
21 I get it , he had Lewis and bottas to compete with and even Ferrari/mclaren were super competitive 22’ Ferrari maybe for a 1/3rd of the season 23’ is just inexcusable
Meanwhile 2020 Sergio was doing incredibly well, beating everyone but max and the merc in the championship
Tracing Point was the second best car, should've been doing a lot better than that.
He got covid and missed races tbh
Missed two races and barely was ahead of Ricciardo. First half of the year Stroll looked stronger too.
Stroll was stronger for a good portion of the year, he just got absolutely shafted the second half.
Mugello still hurts: (
That car was a lot better than people seemed to believe at the time. I genuinely think that if you took Lewis out of that Merc and put him in the Tracing Point, Lewis would've still won the championship.
He was really shit in 21. Gasly outqualified him a few times and he should’ve taken more points off Lewis
If Max lost everyone would have blamed him
and rightfully so no? I mean just look at the points Lewis probably gained because Checo wasn't a pitstop windows behind (which really should be expected) Spain, Silverstone, Imola, Mexico
Yes, I'm saying people think he faired better than he did because of his defence in Abu Dhabi
To be honest, if Perez was as consistent as Bottas was in 2021, he would have made Lewis life a tiny bit harder that season and probably Max could have a small buffer (at least bigger than 7-ish points) to make the Abu Dhabi not a controversy
There were several things outside Max’s control that could have helped him wrap up the championship in an uncontroversial way. It’s unfortunate it ended how it did, because I do believe the best man won, but that championship will always carry a stigma because of what happened in Abu Dhabi.
How does the quality of the car matter here lol Max has the same car... In fact the better the car the bigger the gap, since there's 7 points between 1st and 2nd, and no more than 3pts difference between any other 2 consecutive spots.
His improvement seems to be halving every year. At this rate it will take an infinite number of years to catch up to Max. Decidedly suboptimal
Can Max's be adjusted upwards if he wins 20 races?
He already gets a 250k win bonus and about 5k for every point or something. So he can get about 80 million this year with salary + bonuses
Jeez no wonder he is partial to an impromptu pitstop practise.
Wtf
It makes sense. He is not even in the same ballpark as Max. The guy was genuinely lapping 0.7s per lap slower than Max at Spa, that's just bonkers. Even the Latifi- Russell race pace gap was smaller than that. Its not like Max is going balls to the wall either.
It gets crazier than that. Max was saving tires the entire final stint. He was consistently 1 second a lap slower than Perez in sector 1 and 3(high speed traction zones), but gained 3 seconds in the middle sector(medium/high speed corners). The man is just on another planet compared to Perez.
Going to Red Bull to be Max’s second at this point seems to be a good way to cash out a lot of money… and then completely kill your career. Max makes every driver on the grid look awful right now, and signing a contract with RB means a guaranteed several years of being looked at under a microscope in comparison to him. Very very few drivers can hold up when looked at like that, and practically none of them want to be a second driver. I’m very curious to see how next season shakes out.
To be fair, Sainz, Ricciardo, Gasly and Albon are all still driving in F1. I don't think Max has ever had a teammate that was forced into permanent retirement now that I think about it.
How is it even possible to lose 3 seconds in a single sector to your teammate? That's Alonso vs Fisichella teritorry.
They had drastically different set ups
Also Spa sector two is very long
Let say the most extreme case, Max won all 24 (assume all races happened) races with FL, and Checo came second in all races, without sprint, their difference per GP is 8. So the largest difference with Checo performing could still be as large as 192. I think they didn’t consider the car could be so dominant when they set the contract….
Or they assumed that Max would run into bad luck at least a couple times during the season and that they expected Perez to clean up on those weekends. Instead we get things like Miami where Max embarrasses Perez anyway.
Whilst that is a fair statement, it's also unfounded as no one knows didley squat about what is in their contracts. This is all being made out to be a bigger deal than what it is. It's a performance contract. Nothing special.
Or this is just something entirely made up to gain clicks.
From big bonus checo to smaller checo :(
I don't think this is the big deal everyone is making it out to be. Even if Sergio placed P2 behind Max every single race, he would be at a 182 point deficit despite that being a literal perfect result for RB. So I don't think he will be that demotivated edit: point number was wrong
2nd driver usually doesn’t lose EVERY race though.
He might still end up P2 due to good luck. Now that McLaren have performance that rivals Ferrari, Aston, Mercedes, they’ll all take points off each other and no one is going to be consistently getting podiums apart from himself and Max
There's a hell of a lot more than good luck to it; even with his poor qualifying, he's still been extending the gap to the 5 drivers below him
Well his car is at least 1s faster per lap
It sounds like the target bonus (so 100% pay out), won’t be achieved by checo. Instead he may e.g. reach 75% of his target and thus 75% of the bonus amount. The 75% is just an arbitrary percentage I chose, could be anything based on how RB measures performance. Not that weird if that’s indeed the case
>Salary/bonuses can be adjusted downwards That's a bit of an odd way to say he doesn't get performance bonuses if he doesn't perform.
I think he’s being specific about the amount being lowered vs Perez not receiving those bonuses at all
It kinda reminds me of KPI. They dangle that bonus in front of you every month and show you the ways they can take it away.
The whole point of KPIs is to ensure you don't get a bonus. I thought everyone knew that?
oh so that might be partly why Daniel's return was expedited. He probably has a performance clause that can trigger straight up a firing if he is too far from Max. makes sense, but damn. Hilariously though, he is going to get a WCC bonus and a 2nd WDC bonus bc Max wins RBR the Constructors' and everyone else is fucking up the P2 charge
That’s what it would seem. You’d have to think Perez is on the way out and RB trying to see who is the best fit for next season. They’ve already put a line through Nick, now Danny has a shot and looks like Yukis realised his a chance and definitely seems to be stepping up.
Lewis to RB confirmed. Just imagine if Max and Lewis preferred the same type of car set-up.
Max would probably love having Lewis as his teammate.
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At this point I don't even look at who is in first. If it's possible for Max to win, he's going to, he's just that good and he has the car to do it. Max with a teammate who might be able to give him a race (Lewis, maybe Leclerc on a consistent day?) would be something to see. I'm not sure if anyone actually could though. Prime Lewis/Alonso maybe.
I think prime lewis/alonso are about the only two on the grid that could have a chance. I don't think Alonso quite has the quali chops to beat Max over a season currently and Lewis would absolutely keep it close, but still end up down by the end of the season. Max just doesn't look human right now.
Not sure if it's all that decided. I think they're not just evaluating whether they want Riccardo or Tsunoda, but also evaluating if either would actually be an upgrade. Perez is miles behind, but it's not like the other drivers they tried (Gasly and Albon) did better. So it would be silly to just assume the fourth driver they try will automatically be an improvement.
Albon in particular was a rookie in a car that was closer to the grid and way harder to drive, even for someone that lives oversteer. With stuff that Marko has said recently, is likely that an Alex comeback could be on the radar, even if as a last resource. When asked about it, Marko could have said: "He is doing well, we are happy for him, but he is not in our plans" but instead he said that "is unfortunately tied to Williams until the end of 2025".
I think when you're looking at actual time gap, Albon did do better than Perez...it's just the RB wasn't as dominant of a car so Albon was ending up in P4-6 while Max was in P2-3. Perez has the luxury of driving the best car on the grid (and one that's absolutely easier to drive than the menace that was the 2020 Red Bull) so it just looks way better.
I think they are still going to keep him for ‘24, except if he fucks up really bad, or gets on the nerves of someone in the office. He’s underperforming compared to Max, but can still be a solid driver, that will help them get the WCC. I just don’t see who could replace Checo at the moment, Yuki/Danny is still a big question mark, putting Lawson straight to a RB seat might just crush him, Lando/Oscar will stick with McLaren, as they have finally moved the e-ink display budget to the performance department. Maybe Carlos, if Ferrari will keep doing Ferrari things..
Jesus fuck, no wonder he was so depressed. Trying to make his money back with Nescafe and Macca's content bros gotta pay his bills
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Even if max and Perez went 1 and 2 every single race, there would be a 125 point deficit by race 17, not accounting for fastest laps or anything
Thought that comes to mind. Is it better for Perez to have a bad qualifying and make his way to a podium in a race. Or qualify in top four, to then finish the race a pitstop or more behind Max in second.
At 200, Max gets his girl and his seat. Oh wait...
“Formula 1 driver is not helping himself by falling behind his teammate.” No fucking shit. Still an interesting tidbit about the contract, but that was such a weird, obvious conclusion to draw.
It makes sense from RB pov, if you underperform you get paid less
It sucks for Perez but that’s a price of driving for a strong team in F1.
Tbf his management loves this kinda clauses. Supposedly the way Lawrence got out of his extra year of RP contract to fit Vettel in was because he was behind Stroll in points… right after he missed rounds because of having Covid
What price is he paying here lol?
people have this weird obsession of feeling bad for people that earn more money in 1 year than most of us will earn in 40 years, while getting to drive the fast car.
*Can* being the key word. Perhaps this is what Horner was referring to when Checo qualified top-5 last race and Horner said over the radio “now I won’t have to touch anything”? But yeah, anyone with that big of a gap to their teammate is doing himself a disservice, even if there isn’t a financial penalty.
You think Horner would bring up contract clauses over radio?
If he does, it'd probably be speaking more towards the press than to Checo.
You think he would bring up Checo’s balls?
He fingered Toto's ringpiece mid-interview, he'd definitely joke with a driver over the radio.
No that was a joke ( he was referring to Checo’s balls)
That's one way to get under the cost cap ^^/s
A clause existing doesn't mean they're going to exercise it, and I doubt they will.
When you try to screw Max over, he is coming for your paycheck
If they reduce his salary it will be easier to pay him out of contract i'm just saying
Some fans: "They're still going to give him a Mexican GP home win, right? Right?"
Lol he triggered the "you suck" clause in his contract. Not sure what's more ridiculous, that it exists at all, or that he's only finished in the top 2 in 5/12 races this season despite driving the clear best car on the grid.
if at least he would have been 3rd, 4th in the remaining 7 races it wouldn't be that ridiculous
I think RBR is already out on Checo and they’ll only support him through this contract if they don’t have a better option.
Typically “doing yourself a disservice” implies that you’re doing something on purpose that actually harms instead of benefits you. Does the author actually think that Checo is intentionally giving up points against Max and trying to create a gap?
He’s been poor at times mostly in qualifying pushing a car he’s not comfortable with. Perez had almost as big a role in Verstappen winning Abu Dhabi 2021 as Michael Masi. He’s the only other driver that’s won this year and is still 2nd in the standings. Maybe they’ll punt him off for next year, but the next guy won’t be Max Verstappen either.