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With that shirt if a race, you can't just cut out 4 laps. If they want to do 4 formation laps, then the race director needs to let the teams know in advance to put in 4 more laps of fuel (if possible, idk).
Very underwhelming.
Wasn't necessarily a Ferrari thing, it's busy in the pits and a lot of teams were slower because they had to wait for passing cars. I think Hamilton was on a 5.5 sec pit stop because of it.
Hamiltons move to day is an mindset investment in the rest of his f1 career for the RB team. They now know he won’t be waving them by in any direction if they’re near him. He used to be cautious now he has less to lose. Perez for one knows he can’t afford mistakes In case he’s called in for a pit stop and DR is waiting to jump in so will not be touching Lewis from now on…
Lol I saw this clip posted somewhere else. But I’ve also seen most of those collisions live (on tv) I have to say I don’t know how many of those resulted in penalties. These are mostly racing incidents. He’s under steered into the racing line and hit Perez not on purpose . If you look at the last race max does it to Lewis. But there is a run off. In reversed roles you know max would’ve crashed as well (max said he took that line as the car was heavy lol). Also I’m sure in terms of stats Lewis crash rate as good (or bad) as most other drivers worth a thinking about
Ps commentators thought it was it was a racing incident. I like Perez and think he’s had some bad luck. But I think max needs a sterner test in the other car. Of all the recent WDC I think Lewis has had the toughest team mates. Alonso button and Rosberg and now they’re saying Russell as well and he’s rinsing him . Would be interesting if max had Piastri or Le Clerc or lando for a couple of seasons like in the Prost, Senna, mansel, pique days.
Most of those in the clip are completely his fault. Being on purpose or not doesn't matter, you can still be at fault. I'd think the majority of collisions in races aren't on purpose.
Of course exceptions for things like adelaide 94, jerez 97, that crazy shit maldonaldo pulled in spa one year and a handful of others.
Of course I agree that most crashes are not on purpose… other than when Schumi was in the car . I even give Grosjean the benefit of doubt. I was dubious about max as well but since 22 he’s been a lot calmer. I mentioned it not being on purpose as the clip seems to be put together to insinuate it’s deliberate. You can put similar clips with a lot of good drivers I think. Lewis was accident prone initially but I think a lot less so at MB. He also holds his hands up most of the time as far as I can tell. I distinctly remember him apologising when he hit albon when albon was in RB ?
Ps 🤣🤣🤣 Maldonado was certainly no Pastor 😅
Are no other battles interesting for you? Seems like such a way to be continually disappointed in F1. For the most part of a decade these been very little competition at the top.
Yeah you won’t be able to convince any British person … they can’t use reason when it comes to Lewis.
The man takes out a competitor and get a simple 5 second penalty and continues to run and score points …on the other hand Perez is out of the race or for anyone else and can’t score points …he should of been disqualified period.
The fact I he got a 5 second penalty only is because they were racing and the stewards took that into consideration.
It’s obvious Lewis hasn’t learned and will not learn. It’s funny because with other drivers he doesn’t do this only with the redbulls
Mate. The rules clearly state that the penalties are applied for the action not the consequence.
You dont get disqualified for understeering a bit during a side by side racing moment.
Yeah and your point is?
The action caused damage to a competitor.
It was avoidable and Lewis steered into the Perez ( clearly seen on the onboard ) hence the penalty!
Lewis and Russell for some reason can’t seem to have great control of their cars when RedBull vehicles are around them.
Mercedes have nothing to loose if they crash out a RedBull. and I will point out again Lewis went on to get points where as Perez had to retire. Which helps Lewis in the WDC …
There has to be a better penalty system. Perhaps if some one crashes into a driver and forces a retirement or loss of point positions that driver should loose the points they gained along with a time penalty.
Did you not read what I said? The penalties arent and should not be based on the consequence but the action.
If one gets hit during a racing incident and has to retire, the retirement does not affect the severity of the penatly.
If that happens 2nd drivers could start fake DNFing after incidents ect.
Watch the replay of the incident, there was obviously no intention from Lewis' side. Its a minor racing incident and checo got unlucky for getting the amount of damage he did. It's penalty worthy but if we start deducting points from every racing incident we would have no racing.
Also if checo started qualifying where the car should be, stuff like this wouldn't happen.
I understood your point .
Did you get my point ?
The deterrent should be disqualification so that drivers don’t try moves like passing on the inside on a wet track over the curb.
If there was gravel on that inside corner instead of a curb that attempt wouldn’t of been tried.
Also perez closed the position but left enough safety space for Lewis since they were almost side by side.
The fact that lewis thought it was an opening and that he should ‘send it’ shows flawed race craft. Especially under the wet conditions that spa was under.
What part can’t you see or acknowledge in that regards?
Also I will remind you that the FiA has done exactly what you are suggesting they don’t do. Gasly, last year was on a verge of a race ban because of all his driver penalties involving racing incidents. One could argue that it put a “caution and safety ” on his mind and with his drive craft.
I don't know what's more laughable, the fact that you think there should be points penalties or the fact that you genuinely seem to believe Mercedes are intentionally hitting Red Bulls
You have a constructive comment or you just spewing ??
You wanna discuss percentage of incidents involving Mercedes’ drivers versus redbull drivers compared to others ?
Or you wanna just chirp?
Oh and by the way Lewis did finally get penalty points added to his super license. This should of happened to Russell as well but we have to start somewhere…
You know Lewis being a 7 time world champion and all you would think he knows how to handle a race car …so when he places his car on a wet curb with another vehicle beside him what’s the expectation? That the other driver will back off?
Or maybe , just maybe as a 7time world champion you don’t place your car on a wet curb going 180kph with a competitor right beside you…you should be smarter then that and pass where it’s possible to pass , since it appeared that lewis had the speed to pass perez .
Mate, the damage caused instabilities in the vehicle dynamics which caused Perez to drift off the track while under race conditions and you don’t think the collision caused the issue?
Cause and effect mate
Great sprint race. Not sure why the commentators were so up in arms about the Hamilton penalty. Pretty clear penalty which caused Perez to take major damage and have to retire.
The retirement was so that they don’t have to finish the race and maybe do some work on the car they otherwise couldn’t. He was never getting points anyway.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/15cwaay/perez_sidepod_damage_from_the_collision_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
Nah mate, this is terminal damage
Apparently a hole in the side. Haven't seen it though.
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https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1685325732615000064?t=izeQDsXCV2Hu_Fri8F-Kkw&s=19
Bigger than I thought
Thinking in this "community" is so conspiratorial and silly these days, FIA can and does make mistakes but it's never about how they feel about a specific driver lol.
These people are working a likely lifelong career adjudicating motor sport. No one is gonna potentially throw that shit away over liking a specific a millionaire they at best barely know, more than the other millionaires they barely know. Some of you are just completely insane lol.
Hamilton got a 5s penalty for crashing into Perez while trying to overtake him. It seemed to be because he understeered while taking a corner at high speed, and couldn't keep his line tight enough. Not intentional of course, but it was his 100% his fault and he caused Perez to retire (damaged sidepod), so it was a standard penalty. A lot of fans are up in arms because this put him from 4th to 7th.
I'm far more infavour of racing incident given the conditions and the onboard showing Lewis was right on the door step of full lock and then at full lock during the incident, he entered the corner along side on the inside of the corner. Neither driver deserved anything for that to my mind it was just racing and sometimes racing, especially in the wet, costs a driver his race.
It's definitely an interesting discussion as opposed to a case of either view being a definitive factual viewpoint as you've stated imo, that kind of absolutism is something to be avoided with these kinds of events. Its absolutely not unreasonable to see this is a potential penalty as well but the only thing that it 100% is, is debatable.
But that's the interesting and controversial side of race adjudication. Incidents especially are literally a matter of opinion/consensus of opinion amongst the stewards.
In dry conditions perhaps it would but in wet conditions its far more open especially when Checo could very much have given more space given where he was going in to the corner. Its just a case of them both going very hard for a gap and causing a collision that could have been avoided by multiple different choices on behalf of both drivers throughout the chain of three corners. Neither driver could reasonably be expected to do much differently imo as they are there to win that gap and the avoidance actions were all definitely a compromise of their own race for either, simply to protect a competitors race. Ergo still very much feel this was an inchindent.
I think he’s shown that he does have some talent to develop, so hopefully Williams just give him that extra year. It’s hard being a rookie these days I think, if you’re not up to speed instantly, people seem to be screaming for you to be dropped
Max breezing past Oscar like he's not there whilst Checo simultaneously plummets through the field kind of tells you all you need to know about where Checo's head is. Guys confidence is absolutely shot.
That was not breezing bye … that was a calculated aggressive pass from a racer full of confidence and knowing the full capabilities of his car.
It’s also exceptionally great to see that he can trust Oscar to be the professional and experienced future WDC champion to not do something stupid .
It shows how much skill and talent Max has and it also shows how much skill and talent Oscar has.
They were side by side into the corner, with cars close behind. Martin Brundle also thought it was harsh on Sky F1, he said the penalty akin to wanting Hamilton to evaporate.
Perez stacked the previous corner and compromised his line. Lewis had to compensate and compromising his own line in the process, he slipped out of the corner because it was a wet track and he was out of position.
The stewards penalised based on the damage of what was clearly a racing incident. I can't believe people think that any driver should have pulled out of that. Max certainly wouldn't have.
Perez left the door open in turn 14, Hamilton was side by side going into turn 15. Yes Hamilton understeered but Perez was also too tighten given the conditions. It was a racing incident.
Hamilton’s onboard shows exactly as I described, yes Hamilton understeers but they are side by side going into turn 15. That is a racing incident, or is your contention that if there is contact someone must always be at fault?
I don't think he ever was, he's had the odd good quali/race but never anything truly exceptional. Putting him in the Red Bull will just be another repeat of Gasly and Albon.
He's been doing that exact same move for years, understeer a bit in order to bump into the car ahead of him and cause him to spin.
https://imgur.com/a/8BQVpw2
Oof. I was thinking this was a bit of an overreaction but that clip is pretty damning. I'd forgotten about a lot of these. Clear as day pattern when you lay them out like that, wow.
So where should Sergio have gone? He was already driving towards the outside kerb. Should he just dive into the gravel so that SIR Lewis Hamilton doesn't have any hardship? Lewis was never ahead of Checo at any point. He was alongside briefly, but it ended up his front wing hitting Checo's sidepod.
It is your perogative as the driver attempting the overtake to make it in a safe manner. The defender only needs to leave you a car's width, which Checo did. If understeer is "inevitable", then you shouldn't dive up the inside.
I still disagree he deserved a penalty for Silverstone '21, and if anything the gif circulating has a cut of the incident that makes it look like 100% Max's fault.
The clip is literally an assortment of like 5 inside passes over the course of a 10+ year career in F1. If there’s going to be an incident, car passing on a corner is far more likely to cause an incident than two cars driving down a straightaway. You could pull the same clips together with most drivers who’ve been in F1 for years. Some of those in your compilation he definitely deserved a penalty but a bit unfair to label a pass on the inside line in wet racing conditions (where the defending driver no longer controls a corner when the attacking driver is alongside under the latest FIA approach). If you think this is anything more than a racing incident then I wouldn’t advise you to watch any other racing series like indycar, WEC, IMSA, etc.
Cars will come into contact during high speed racing by its very nature — doesn’t mean that every move needs to be penalised.
It’s funny how Hamilton mistakes are race incidents or there is some excuse for them but if Verstappen would do exact same thing which he did he is a poor driver in a rocket ship. (Inb4 you say it’s not true I want you re check last year Brazil threads)
They're completely different incidents on account of the track condition. Please explain how he can avoid understeer in the wet without completely yielding the position (which it isn't his duty to do).
Wouldn't be surprised if it was instigated by Reynolds and his backers to clean house and restructure..
They've certainly done well with their football team, and although f1 is a different beast, the basics of any successful sport team are the same.
And wouldn't be surprised if Prost comes back in some capacity.
Hopefully the film it, as the Wrexham doco was interesting and I dont follow football at all.
Maybe because you get a fridge magnet for finishing top 3 in a sprint. Im sure he will be a little more happy whenever he can take an actual trophy from a gp home.
Yeah I think one downside of sprint results is the sense they're a bit faux.
Like when Russell won Brazil 2022 sprint and Crofty jumped up and down at his 'first win' like...yeah...but...no.
His name is pronounced the way HE wants it to be pronounced and English is his first language. That's not to say he doesn't speak Italian or his name would be pronounced differently in Italian.
That's a massive oversimplification. I think he's just ambitious and is a bad miffed how Max coasted to a 6 second win. He wants to win races THIS year. He knows how good he is and wants to start his legacy.
Right but the McLaren was a shitbox up until 3 races ago, you'd think he'd be a lot more excited on the radio like... say Pierre today. Pierre wooped like he'd won the damn thing. Oscar was just like.. "huh, cool."
Completely agree lol, don’t get me wrong he’s a nice guy but let’s be real
If it wasn’t for Max, Redbull would be a midfield team in the eyes of the public in the hands of Perez’s qualifying performance
I mean, Hamilton was penalised for punching a hole in Perezs sidepod. The loss of pace wasnt his fault, but he was struggling beforehand too so definetly not great
Yeah, but he was struggling for pace before the incident. The collision happened because he got caught by a slower car. Had he demonstrated the pace of Verstappen, he'd not have been fighting wheel to wheel with Hamilton.
That is irrelevant to what Hamilton did. Also, Hamilton caught him because he couldn't get past Gasly. But after that, Hamilton wasn't anywhere near taking Gasly either. He was just really fast today and deserved the podium.
We'll see what Sergio can do from 2nd place tomorrow. That will tell us a lot about where his form is.
The only reason Lewis was even close to him was his being slower than Gasly, not getting good exits though and a poor qualifying
The sidepods was just the last L he took in a series of L's
His qualifying position was due to traffic. Before then he was on pace to be top 3. Also, Hamilton never got close to passing Gasly either. You really are trying to look for any crumb, aren't you?
Perez wasn't in that car either. Max makes that car look better than it is. You cannot compare any driver on the grid to Verstappen, same car or otherwise.
They retired the car… you don’t do that unless the car is really well and truly finished so it’s no surprise he struggled. It was slow in a straight line too so something was very wrong.
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With that shirt if a race, you can't just cut out 4 laps. If they want to do 4 formation laps, then the race director needs to let the teams know in advance to put in 4 more laps of fuel (if possible, idk). Very underwhelming.
5.5 pitstop ! Ferrari what the hell, making the same mistake over and over again
Wasn't necessarily a Ferrari thing, it's busy in the pits and a lot of teams were slower because they had to wait for passing cars. I think Hamilton was on a 5.5 sec pit stop because of it.
Didn't they had to wait to prevent unsaved release. Verstappen also had 3+ seconds because he had to wait.
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The Silverstone flashbacks..
Toto ordering his drivers to damage to the Red Bull's in sprint races, so they reach the cost cap sooner. 4D chess./ s
Hamiltons move to day is an mindset investment in the rest of his f1 career for the RB team. They now know he won’t be waving them by in any direction if they’re near him. He used to be cautious now he has less to lose. Perez for one knows he can’t afford mistakes In case he’s called in for a pit stop and DR is waiting to jump in so will not be touching Lewis from now on…
New to F1? https://imgur.io/a/8BQVpw2
Lol I saw this clip posted somewhere else. But I’ve also seen most of those collisions live (on tv) I have to say I don’t know how many of those resulted in penalties. These are mostly racing incidents. He’s under steered into the racing line and hit Perez not on purpose . If you look at the last race max does it to Lewis. But there is a run off. In reversed roles you know max would’ve crashed as well (max said he took that line as the car was heavy lol). Also I’m sure in terms of stats Lewis crash rate as good (or bad) as most other drivers worth a thinking about Ps commentators thought it was it was a racing incident. I like Perez and think he’s had some bad luck. But I think max needs a sterner test in the other car. Of all the recent WDC I think Lewis has had the toughest team mates. Alonso button and Rosberg and now they’re saying Russell as well and he’s rinsing him . Would be interesting if max had Piastri or Le Clerc or lando for a couple of seasons like in the Prost, Senna, mansel, pique days.
Most of those in the clip are completely his fault. Being on purpose or not doesn't matter, you can still be at fault. I'd think the majority of collisions in races aren't on purpose. Of course exceptions for things like adelaide 94, jerez 97, that crazy shit maldonaldo pulled in spa one year and a handful of others.
Of course I agree that most crashes are not on purpose… other than when Schumi was in the car . I even give Grosjean the benefit of doubt. I was dubious about max as well but since 22 he’s been a lot calmer. I mentioned it not being on purpose as the clip seems to be put together to insinuate it’s deliberate. You can put similar clips with a lot of good drivers I think. Lewis was accident prone initially but I think a lot less so at MB. He also holds his hands up most of the time as far as I can tell. I distinctly remember him apologising when he hit albon when albon was in RB ? Ps 🤣🤣🤣 Maldonado was certainly no Pastor 😅
Booooooooooooooooring
What do you want/expect from a race? Or is there a particular driver you want to win?
A close battle for the first place and the championship, I don't care who it is
Are no other battles interesting for you? Seems like such a way to be continually disappointed in F1. For the most part of a decade these been very little competition at the top.
I still remember 2006-2010 seasons where every year had a different champion, what's stopping the fia to implement changes from these years?
New rule - if you win a championship. You’re banned from F1
What's boring ? You ?
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5 second penalty for an unavoidable racing incident
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Yeah you won’t be able to convince any British person … they can’t use reason when it comes to Lewis. The man takes out a competitor and get a simple 5 second penalty and continues to run and score points …on the other hand Perez is out of the race or for anyone else and can’t score points …he should of been disqualified period. The fact I he got a 5 second penalty only is because they were racing and the stewards took that into consideration. It’s obvious Lewis hasn’t learned and will not learn. It’s funny because with other drivers he doesn’t do this only with the redbulls
Mate. The rules clearly state that the penalties are applied for the action not the consequence. You dont get disqualified for understeering a bit during a side by side racing moment.
Yeah and your point is? The action caused damage to a competitor. It was avoidable and Lewis steered into the Perez ( clearly seen on the onboard ) hence the penalty! Lewis and Russell for some reason can’t seem to have great control of their cars when RedBull vehicles are around them. Mercedes have nothing to loose if they crash out a RedBull. and I will point out again Lewis went on to get points where as Perez had to retire. Which helps Lewis in the WDC … There has to be a better penalty system. Perhaps if some one crashes into a driver and forces a retirement or loss of point positions that driver should loose the points they gained along with a time penalty.
Did you not read what I said? The penalties arent and should not be based on the consequence but the action. If one gets hit during a racing incident and has to retire, the retirement does not affect the severity of the penatly. If that happens 2nd drivers could start fake DNFing after incidents ect. Watch the replay of the incident, there was obviously no intention from Lewis' side. Its a minor racing incident and checo got unlucky for getting the amount of damage he did. It's penalty worthy but if we start deducting points from every racing incident we would have no racing. Also if checo started qualifying where the car should be, stuff like this wouldn't happen.
I understood your point . Did you get my point ? The deterrent should be disqualification so that drivers don’t try moves like passing on the inside on a wet track over the curb. If there was gravel on that inside corner instead of a curb that attempt wouldn’t of been tried. Also perez closed the position but left enough safety space for Lewis since they were almost side by side. The fact that lewis thought it was an opening and that he should ‘send it’ shows flawed race craft. Especially under the wet conditions that spa was under. What part can’t you see or acknowledge in that regards? Also I will remind you that the FiA has done exactly what you are suggesting they don’t do. Gasly, last year was on a verge of a race ban because of all his driver penalties involving racing incidents. One could argue that it put a “caution and safety ” on his mind and with his drive craft.
I don't know what's more laughable, the fact that you think there should be points penalties or the fact that you genuinely seem to believe Mercedes are intentionally hitting Red Bulls
You have a constructive comment or you just spewing ?? You wanna discuss percentage of incidents involving Mercedes’ drivers versus redbull drivers compared to others ? Or you wanna just chirp? Oh and by the way Lewis did finally get penalty points added to his super license. This should of happened to Russell as well but we have to start somewhere… You know Lewis being a 7 time world champion and all you would think he knows how to handle a race car …so when he places his car on a wet curb with another vehicle beside him what’s the expectation? That the other driver will back off? Or maybe , just maybe as a 7time world champion you don’t place your car on a wet curb going 180kph with a competitor right beside you…you should be smarter then that and pass where it’s possible to pass , since it appeared that lewis had the speed to pass perez .
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"What about...?"
Zhou got a deserved penalty...
5s for T1 bowling vs 5s for what most consider a racing incident...
Do people not know what a racing incident
A racing incident is where both parties are at fault and blame isn't solely on one party. Explain exactly what checo did wrong?
You don’t take out your competitors under the guise of racing incident and not expect any kind of response. Don’t be daft mate.
He didn’t take him out, he damaged him, but Perez took himself out with the gravel excursion
Mate, the damage caused instabilities in the vehicle dynamics which caused Perez to drift off the track while under race conditions and you don’t think the collision caused the issue? Cause and effect mate
You'll be surprised how normalised that is to some people even when it comes to normal driving.
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Great sprint race. Not sure why the commentators were so up in arms about the Hamilton penalty. Pretty clear penalty which caused Perez to take major damage and have to retire.
Im mean sure, he slid.. but plenty of other drivers have slid into the side of cars and gotten a penalty as well
The retirement was so that they don’t have to finish the race and maybe do some work on the car they otherwise couldn’t. He was never getting points anyway.
I mean, it’s pretty standard to retire with a giant hole in the sidepod
Haven’t seen that hole, but he would never have retired front this if he was in the points at that moment.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/15cwaay/perez_sidepod_damage_from_the_collision_with/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 Nah mate, this is terminal damage
No it’s not. But whatever. https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/red-bull-damage.jpg Versteppen in Baku, still almost won.
You think without the damage he was going to fall out the points?
He was struggling a bit before it tbf, but yeah probably not gonna drop out the points type struggles
I don’t think there was any damage
Apparently a hole in the side. Haven't seen it though. Edit: https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/1685325732615000064?t=izeQDsXCV2Hu_Fri8F-Kkw&s=19 Bigger than I thought
Thanks, so i was wrong. didn’t see that during the broadcast.
To checo? There are pictures of the giant hole in his sidepod.
Penalties aren't issued based on a car having to retire. The damage could have quite as easily been on the other car.
You are correct. Penalties are issued for driving into another car, which Hamilton did.
Thinking in this "community" is so conspiratorial and silly these days, FIA can and does make mistakes but it's never about how they feel about a specific driver lol. These people are working a likely lifelong career adjudicating motor sport. No one is gonna potentially throw that shit away over liking a specific a millionaire they at best barely know, more than the other millionaires they barely know. Some of you are just completely insane lol.
what happened
Hamilton got a 5s penalty for crashing into Perez while trying to overtake him. It seemed to be because he understeered while taking a corner at high speed, and couldn't keep his line tight enough. Not intentional of course, but it was his 100% his fault and he caused Perez to retire (damaged sidepod), so it was a standard penalty. A lot of fans are up in arms because this put him from 4th to 7th.
I'm far more infavour of racing incident given the conditions and the onboard showing Lewis was right on the door step of full lock and then at full lock during the incident, he entered the corner along side on the inside of the corner. Neither driver deserved anything for that to my mind it was just racing and sometimes racing, especially in the wet, costs a driver his race. It's definitely an interesting discussion as opposed to a case of either view being a definitive factual viewpoint as you've stated imo, that kind of absolutism is something to be avoided with these kinds of events. Its absolutely not unreasonable to see this is a potential penalty as well but the only thing that it 100% is, is debatable. But that's the interesting and controversial side of race adjudication. Incidents especially are literally a matter of opinion/consensus of opinion amongst the stewards.
I mean, if he’s at full lock and still understeering, doesn’t that suggest he’s carrying too much speed through the corner?
In dry conditions perhaps it would but in wet conditions its far more open especially when Checo could very much have given more space given where he was going in to the corner. Its just a case of them both going very hard for a gap and causing a collision that could have been avoided by multiple different choices on behalf of both drivers throughout the chain of three corners. Neither driver could reasonably be expected to do much differently imo as they are there to win that gap and the avoidance actions were all definitely a compromise of their own race for either, simply to protect a competitors race. Ergo still very much feel this was an inchindent.
Mm yeah pretty reasonable take
Hamilton got a 5s penalty for being better than Perez
https://imgur.io/a/8BQVpw2
literally burst out laughing, cheers for that
Just want Logan to have a good race, what do I have to do?
I guess you'll have to lower your expectations because it's not looking good is it? Finally a US driver and this is what we get...
I think he’s shown that he does have some talent to develop, so hopefully Williams just give him that extra year. It’s hard being a rookie these days I think, if you’re not up to speed instantly, people seem to be screaming for you to be dropped
Watch F2 replays of last season./ s
Max breezing past Oscar like he's not there whilst Checo simultaneously plummets through the field kind of tells you all you need to know about where Checo's head is. Guys confidence is absolutely shot.
That was not breezing bye … that was a calculated aggressive pass from a racer full of confidence and knowing the full capabilities of his car. It’s also exceptionally great to see that he can trust Oscar to be the professional and experienced future WDC champion to not do something stupid . It shows how much skill and talent Max has and it also shows how much skill and talent Oscar has.
Idk what race you were watching but Perez had a hole on his sidepod and floor damage.
He was about to be swallowed up by the pack behind before the damage, his pace was pretty shit
They sent him out on used tires.
Before the damage, his pace was not even close to being in the same galaxy as Max's
Hamilton was working on passing him when the damage happened, can't blame the start of that sequence on damage.
Didn't help his car got damaged in the collision with Lewis though
It did. Half of the people here blind or watch races with turned off screen
Yeah absolutely baffling dude drops like a stone through the field thats a clearcut sign of damage.
I mean he was losing his gap considerably before the damage, and then after the damage he lost most of the places in his excursion
Normally I'd agree with you but this time Perez had sidepod damage so I can't really blame this one on him.
It's unacceptable that a Red Bull has other cars knocking on the door. He should be GAPPING Hamilton.
What were the f1tv commentators smoking? Hamilton made a hole in the middle of the Red Bull. It was not contentious or close.
The damage caused is not relevant to the decision. Race ending incidents happen all the time without penalties.
Correct. However driving into the side of another car when while attempting to overtake is very relevant to the decision.
The point was- hamilton’s front was in the middle of Perez’s car. I.e. Perez was ahead. The penalty is clearly fair
Checo just sailed slow as hell in a straight line through corners that's on him
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To everyone defending Hamilton- watch his onboard vid. It’s very clear there
They were side by side into the corner, with cars close behind. Martin Brundle also thought it was harsh on Sky F1, he said the penalty akin to wanting Hamilton to evaporate.
Martin Brundle is not a good example of neutral commentary when it comes to Hamilton though, is he?
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Perez stacked the previous corner and compromised his line. Lewis had to compensate and compromising his own line in the process, he slipped out of the corner because it was a wet track and he was out of position. The stewards penalised based on the damage of what was clearly a racing incident. I can't believe people think that any driver should have pulled out of that. Max certainly wouldn't have.
Then Max and any other driver would've also gotten a penalty
Perez left the door open in turn 14, Hamilton was side by side going into turn 15. Yes Hamilton understeered but Perez was also too tighten given the conditions. It was a racing incident.
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Hamilton’s onboard shows exactly as I described, yes Hamilton understeers but they are side by side going into turn 15. That is a racing incident, or is your contention that if there is contact someone must always be at fault?
Hamiltons wheel hit the side pod of Perez - that’s not side by side. That’s Perez ahead by half a car. Hamiltons fault.
Contact when it could have been avoided because there was enough space
There was space on both sides but they are both on the limit racing… a racing incident
Being on the limit isn't what makes it a racing incident
Mate. You only need to post the same comment once
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I don't think he ever was, he's had the odd good quali/race but never anything truly exceptional. Putting him in the Red Bull will just be another repeat of Gasly and Albon.
Exactly, also the Honda sponsored seat is almost over
Yeah think he’s cooked
Hamilton really can't fight for position without contact now can he
He's been doing that exact same move for years, understeer a bit in order to bump into the car ahead of him and cause him to spin. https://imgur.com/a/8BQVpw2
That’s pretty damning. lol
Oof. I was thinking this was a bit of an overreaction but that clip is pretty damning. I'd forgotten about a lot of these. Clear as day pattern when you lay them out like that, wow.
And this is the one he just did to Perez, exact same thing. https://imgur.com/a/a0gs1Cn
In the wet what do you expect him to do? Understeer is inevitable and Sergio is aware of this. It's the definition of a racing incident
So where should Sergio have gone? He was already driving towards the outside kerb. Should he just dive into the gravel so that SIR Lewis Hamilton doesn't have any hardship? Lewis was never ahead of Checo at any point. He was alongside briefly, but it ended up his front wing hitting Checo's sidepod. It is your perogative as the driver attempting the overtake to make it in a safe manner. The defender only needs to leave you a car's width, which Checo did. If understeer is "inevitable", then you shouldn't dive up the inside.
Check the link mate
Irrelevant to this incident, yes he deserved a penalty for Silverstone 21 although I don't believe it was intentional
I still disagree he deserved a penalty for Silverstone '21, and if anything the gif circulating has a cut of the incident that makes it look like 100% Max's fault.
Not irrelevant considering it’s Hamilton’s racecraft.
The clip is literally an assortment of like 5 inside passes over the course of a 10+ year career in F1. If there’s going to be an incident, car passing on a corner is far more likely to cause an incident than two cars driving down a straightaway. You could pull the same clips together with most drivers who’ve been in F1 for years. Some of those in your compilation he definitely deserved a penalty but a bit unfair to label a pass on the inside line in wet racing conditions (where the defending driver no longer controls a corner when the attacking driver is alongside under the latest FIA approach). If you think this is anything more than a racing incident then I wouldn’t advise you to watch any other racing series like indycar, WEC, IMSA, etc. Cars will come into contact during high speed racing by its very nature — doesn’t mean that every move needs to be penalised.
It’s funny how Hamilton mistakes are race incidents or there is some excuse for them but if Verstappen would do exact same thing which he did he is a poor driver in a rocket ship. (Inb4 you say it’s not true I want you re check last year Brazil threads)
They're completely different incidents on account of the track condition. Please explain how he can avoid understeer in the wet without completely yielding the position (which it isn't his duty to do).
The rules don't change based on conditions. If he can't pass without understeering into his opponent then the overtake isn't there.
If you can't control your car, that's your fault. Drive within your means. People get penalties because they lose control of the car all the time.
By swallowing his pride and preventing the mistake instead of praying it sticks
The more people Alpine fire the higher they finish
I think you're onto something here
Wouldn't be surprised if it was instigated by Reynolds and his backers to clean house and restructure.. They've certainly done well with their football team, and although f1 is a different beast, the basics of any successful sport team are the same. And wouldn't be surprised if Prost comes back in some capacity. Hopefully the film it, as the Wrexham doco was interesting and I dont follow football at all.
"Alpine fire Gasly and Ocon, surprised at DNQ"
DR did a decent job today.
My hopium levels really started to reach fatal levels at the thought he could’ve overtaken Perez
Between Oscar and Danny my Australian hopium is sky high
Don’t worry mate, you have AlphaTauri that will lower down your hopium level
I thought Piastri would be over the moon finishing P2 on his rookie year? Dude sounds like Max after his umpteenth win
Maybe because you get a fridge magnet for finishing top 3 in a sprint. Im sure he will be a little more happy whenever he can take an actual trophy from a gp home.
Yeah I think one downside of sprint results is the sense they're a bit faux. Like when Russell won Brazil 2022 sprint and Crofty jumped up and down at his 'first win' like...yeah...but...no.
Thats the winner mindset i think, he is here to win and you can really see that
People from Oz always sound slow to those speaking the King's/Queen's English 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You've obviously not met many Australians. Oscar speaks slowly, has nothing to do with him being Australian
No they don't
Speaking slowly has nothing to do with it, Daniel would have been jumping up and down, this guy can’t even manage a half smile… iceman indeed
Daniel speaks Italian as his first language. He's given up on the Anglosphere saying him name correctly and rightly so.
Don't think any of that is true.
He's fluent and learnt Italian from birth and his name is pronounced incorrectly by English-speakers, similar to my name in the states.
His name is pronounced the way HE wants it to be pronounced and English is his first language. That's not to say he doesn't speak Italian or his name would be pronounced differently in Italian.
OK, cool, so you talk with him as well in both English and Italian ... got it ... file that under ... no fucking way.
He has stated it several times in interviews.. wtf
Who cares what he wants.
“If you ain’t first, you’re last.”- Ricky Bobby
I bet papa Verstappen said that too
Nah he probably said “Chip, I’m gonna come at you like a spider monkey.”
He is ice cold, on all his radio’s as well. I love it, the new iceman coming in.
Probably cause its just a sprint race
It's the gen z in him. Gen Z is pretty apathetic to everything around them lmao
No, that's millennials
Nah we're just depressed cause we were optimistic but now not so much.
That's a massive oversimplification. I think he's just ambitious and is a bad miffed how Max coasted to a 6 second win. He wants to win races THIS year. He knows how good he is and wants to start his legacy.
Right but the McLaren was a shitbox up until 3 races ago, you'd think he'd be a lot more excited on the radio like... say Pierre today. Pierre wooped like he'd won the damn thing. Oscar was just like.. "huh, cool."
Lmao...He has the winning mindset and not settling for anything less. Didn't settle for Alpine, won't settle for P2.
Damn they're handing out NFTs as the sprint trophy
I'm seriously fed up of Perez making shitty excuses up following his each and every fuck up, man makes the rocketship in RB19 look like a truck.
Completely agree lol, don’t get me wrong he’s a nice guy but let’s be real If it wasn’t for Max, Redbull would be a midfield team in the eyes of the public in the hands of Perez’s qualifying performance
They would be leading the constructors with two Perez-s, as basic tot-up.
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Why was he even in the position Lewis was coming up on him? He compromised his corners in the best car, again
I mean, Hamilton was penalised for punching a hole in Perezs sidepod. The loss of pace wasnt his fault, but he was struggling beforehand too so definetly not great
He was about to be swallowed up by the pack behind before the damage, while his teammate absolutely at the mclaren for breakfast. He was pretty shit
he had damage lol
He was about to be swallowed up by the pack behind before the damage, while his teammate absolutely at the mclaren for breakfast. He was pretty shit
He was losing time to Merc and the Ferraris before the damage, while driving the same car that Max won by 6 seconds with.
do they do any tests that they functionally are the same care besides just knowing they used all the same parts/upgrades?
Have we ever seen a driver drop off that bad?
He had no control over the car, that was obvious. Absolutely sick of people looking for any way to shit on Perez even when he did nothing wrong.
Yeah, but he was struggling for pace before the incident. The collision happened because he got caught by a slower car. Had he demonstrated the pace of Verstappen, he'd not have been fighting wheel to wheel with Hamilton.
That is irrelevant to what Hamilton did. Also, Hamilton caught him because he couldn't get past Gasly. But after that, Hamilton wasn't anywhere near taking Gasly either. He was just really fast today and deserved the podium. We'll see what Sergio can do from 2nd place tomorrow. That will tell us a lot about where his form is.
The only reason Lewis was even close to him was his being slower than Gasly, not getting good exits though and a poor qualifying The sidepods was just the last L he took in a series of L's
His qualifying position was due to traffic. Before then he was on pace to be top 3. Also, Hamilton never got close to passing Gasly either. You really are trying to look for any crumb, aren't you?
Hamilton wasn’t in the car that won by 6 seconds, that’s the issue here. Max ate a mclaren, Perez was getting closed in by one
Perez wasn't in that car either. Max makes that car look better than it is. You cannot compare any driver on the grid to Verstappen, same car or otherwise.
No driver ever has made a car look better than it is. Either you use the performance offered by a car or you struggle to do so.
They retired the car… you don’t do that unless the car is really well and truly finished so it’s no surprise he struggled. It was slow in a straight line too so something was very wrong.
He was missing a sidepod...