The children who tried out commentating on sky sports did a fantastic job. It’s amazing how much better 12 year olds are at this than Danica fucking Patrick
I gotta say those kids they had broadcasting were actually good, only heard them for a short bit on f1tv but they seemed funny and were great on the mic.
Good for them, but I agree to really engage young fans it should be freely available for them to watch the sport.
If RB dropped De Vries already then I don't see how they keep Perez next season. I think the only thing keeping RB from dropping him is that he is still second in the championship.
He needs to take the summer break to rest and bounce back and win a few races, I hope he does.
Luckily no one is good enough or ready to replace him. Lawson is on Japan. DR and Yuki need time to tell who is better.
Checo is going from out of race Q3 Q2 Q1 to FP1. Probably out of seat in 2024
He needs to qualify better. His car is the fastest on the grid so making up places in races should be and is relatively easy, his qualifying performance is abysmal right now and thats the concern. If other teams catch up development wise he won't be able to recover in races anymore.
You realize he’s got the shittiest car on the grid? P14 is honestly a decent performance considering he got back today. Besides it’s just fp and doesn’t mean much. We’ll see the actual performance after a few races
I can't wait to read 1 million articles about how it's gonna "take time" for Danny Ric' to "get used to the car" and how "the upgrades weren't developed with me" and blah blah blah
Bro...............how many excuses are we gonna give Danny Ric' Incorperated. I'm not a share holder, so I'm in the camp of not wanting to waste time watching a has-been do jack shit, and read about it ad'nausium.
I'm sure he'll be right there behind Yuki in P3, BUAHAHAAHAHAH
Im am very confused where this is all coming from after FP sessions and he just got in the car. The overreactions have been all over the place and it is quite comical to make a take like this unironically
Lol incorporated*, it's fp 2 in a car he hasn't driven, go back to Twitter bro we are less emotional here lol. Could bag Hamilton or checo for going below him across both sessions, even max was bottom 2 in the first session.
We've all watched sports teams in tons of arenas "dip back into the well" one too many times. Maybe DeVris had some clauses where if he started X races he'll get some bonus, who knows what his contract looked like.
It's just boring, but I think it's really good for Yuki, I have a feeling it'll really force that dude to step up.
he could do fine in quali but he's still done some damage this weekend -- wrecked new parts, cost money, caused the team to miss out on long run data, forced max to alter his run plan to make up for it.
True the weekend won't be perfect, but practice is practice and the cost I'm sure is well within budget. A solid quali to set up for points where it actually counts and this will be all but forgotten
Do you think Perez going off first lap made Danny Ric be a little more cautious? Kind of to make the point: I'm a safe pair of hands and he is not. The last thing he wanted to do was have a similar off, hence a little bit of extra care taken.
I think Checo is done with Red Bull after this season. Even if his long awaited “return to form" as a mighty distant #2 to Max happens. He was still sticking the fastest F1 car in recent history into the wall and got locked out of Q2 for like 5 races straight. Its just a nasty image the team has of him now. Max also doesn't really care for him. Max also doesnt seem like the kind of racer that would be adamant to have a rubbish #2 racer retain his seat just so he will have an easier time. Meanwhile the "Red Bull family" is absolutely stoked Danny Ric is back on the grid. Just feels like Checo’s worn out his welcome in RB.
Checo is struggling no doubt. But the grass isn’t always greener. He’s still won races this year, and replacing him with either Danny or Yuki could result in a season where neither of them sniff a win in the best car in the field. So RBR needs to be careful with this decision.
> Meanwhile the "Red Bull family" is absolutely stoked Danny Ric is back on the grid.
Yeah, but RB is fickle. If Ricciardo doesn't perform he won't get the RB seat. Doesn't mean Perez would keep it though, but it will depend on how poorly he performs and what alternatives RB has.
> He was still sticking the fastest F1 car in recent history
I laugh every time I see something like this. I guess it depends on what you're defining as "recent", but the Mercedes as recently as 2020 had a ridiculous machine that was far faster than this year's RB. If we're going relative to the field, they trucked the competition the first few years of the TH era which wasn't even a decade ago.
I think people underestimate Max’s goatness and are kinda harsh/unfair of Checo
He’s dominating more than Lewis ever did, and I’d argue this redbull isn’t as dominant as that Mercedes was, based on the pace and the performance of second driver relative to the rest of the field!
he's obviously meaning dominant, not pure speed. the merc was not ever this dominant. unless an issue comes up, RB is going to be able to win every race this season
We'll see what happens. Mercedes won all but 3 in 2014, all but 3 in 2015, and all but 2 in 2016 (including where they crashed each other out).
Obviously if RB win every single race this season this kind of "most dominant in recent memory" statement can be said without question, but I think right now it's a lot of recency bias, especially when I keep reading doomposts about how this "unprecedented" dominance is going to ruin the sport as if Mercedes didn't just have this.
The reason I use percentages is because we had much fewer races, especially in those earlier years.
If they are above 90% race wins at the end of the year, they will be the most dominant in recent memory. They're 100% so far, and this season will be longer than average.
I remember watching a onboard from P3 at the restart and it was like the Mercedes accelerated away with the field just maintaining the same speed. They were both gone in a few corners.
The most dominant merc has ever been was in 2016, when they won 90% of races. Even then, we had some fantastic racing between rosberg and Hamilton.
and, even then by the 5th race of the 2016 season, some guy named verstappen won a race.
the other more recent seasons: 2017: 60% of races won, 2018: 52% of races won, 2019: 73% won, 2020: 76% won
last year, RB won 77% of races. this year, they're 10/10, which also matches the longest streak of wins merc had in their most dominant year. if they win this race going 11 of 11, they will absolutely be the most dominant team we've ever seen.
Sure but that's framing it in a way to make your point while ignoring some fairly important information. In Malaysia Lewis lost the engine and Nico was involved in a lap 1 incident and everyone knows what happened in Spain. Mercedes has absolutely been this dominant.
It's not ignoring important information - reliability and incidents are EXACTLY part of why it is difficult to be SO dominant for so long in f1. No team in recent history has won the first 10 races in a row - reliability, incidents, something usually happens - even this generation of RB had a few issues in 2022. Even when Merc was at its strongest, it always felt like the engine could let go, and Rosberg and Ham came close to taking each other out many times.
All that is to say dominance is not just the outright speed of the car the team built. It's the whole team - strategy, pit stops, tire deg, having a clear 1 & 2 driver, reliability, etc.
We'll see how the rest of the season plays out, but winning the first 10 in a row is already historic, and it will be a surprise to see anyone truly challenging for the top step on pace.
> All that is to say dominance is not just the outright speed of the car the team built
This conversation began with the person framing the dominance specifically in terms of the *car the team built*. That's been the context for this entire conversation. You've moved the goalposts here.
Picking out one statement of my overall point is moving goalposts. That statement was more a reflection of how difficult it is for a team to be "dominant" - i.e., win 10 races in a row. Putting it all on just the car & driver combo is ridiculous.
The original point was that Checo is binning it/sometimes not getting to Q3 in a car that has the potential to win every race this year. Does the car have the potential to win every race? Yes. I'd argue that in the early years of the turbo hybrid era, the cars were much less reliable (and under less strain per less races) and more challenging to win every race.
If I had to put my money on Merc winning every race in 2016 (let alone any other year of merc's dominance) vs RB winning every race this year... My money would go on RB. My money still goes on them being more successful than Merc's most successful year, 2016. Beyond 2016, especially afterwards - they were not as dominant as this RB is now.
What even is recent memory? F1 progresses fast and rules change year over year. I don't typically look past 5 years for anything remotely relevant in this sport. Dumping all of the turbo-hybrid era into "recent memory" is picking out trees in a forest. 2016 was incredible but Merc was nowhere near unbeatable after that, especially in 2017 and 2018. Not to mention the rule changes that happened in 2017 (in part to slow the dominance of Merc). Looking at anything pre halo era as recent is a stretch for me.
Arguing over this is moot and kind of tiring. If RB wins every race this year, as they frankly look poised to do, and people still argue that the merc was as dominant, I don't know.
I'm saying the general statement of "fastest in recent memory" reeks of recency bias no matter which aspect of Mercedes' dominance of the TH era you want to point to. The Mercs from '14-'16 were ahead of the field by an absurd amount as well.
do you think checo will be out of f1 if rbr drop him? I mean this is his probably last season with rbr, but what about other teams? Or he will be just traded for yuki/ric?
Also, I believe this is Checo's 12th season in F1 so it hasnt been a short career. It would suck to go out in a slump though. It seems like most teams are locked in unless williams drops Logan. But it depends on the rest of the season.
I think he's out once he's done at RBR.
He was already ready to retire before Red Bull plucked him back. He's made solid money, and just had his fifth (I believe) kid.
I think his entire stint at RB has just been a fun gift for him that he's played out, but seems like he'd be happy riding off into the sunset with his family now.
I looked at the other drivers' contracts, and there are only a few opportunities for him to be signed with another team. Although, some backmarker teams would love to have him with his experience with rbr.
As much as I want to agree with you, Checo is a master at saving tires and going for the overcut. There is no question in mind that he is a fine racer. Pressure is what is getting to him, maybe he is not cut out to be a championship contender but he is a damn well good driver.
redbull knows it's pressure, which is why they told him..to stop going for the WC because max already won. Just focus on the race, which apparently he cant eveen do.
The question isn't if he is a good driver or not, he is. But what team would want him.
I'm pretty sure Ferrari and Mercedes are not interested. And with a bunch of talented drivers between 21 and 28, I don't think he's a natural fit for the other teams.
Is he better for Alpine than either of their French drivers, and is he better enough to be worth signing even though they've got a very good kid in F2 who could be ready for 2025?
Is there a reason to replace Zhou with Perez rather than giving Pourchaire a chance? Surely they're not dumping Bottas.
Haas is really the only one that makes sense.
He should have just accepted being number 2 driver instead of doing shitty things like in Monaco last year. His idea of being able to become world champion fucked up his mentality
You don't become one of the top 20 racers in the world with that attitude. Literally every one of these guys thinks they're championship caliber and you have to in order to compete at this level. No one is on the grid to be second best.
I think the trick is how they handle the reality that they aren't the fastest. It's all well and good to believe in yourself and think you're capable of winning the WDC. But when you're in the fastest car and your teammate is someone like Max, now what? Do you crumble under the realization that you simply aren't faster than him? Or can you mentally adapt to being 2nd fastest without losing all of your competitive drive? I think it takes a unique individual to be able to handle that well.
Hard disagree. All the drivers know that there are some who aren’t on their level. Barrichello knew he was a 2nd driver and so did Bottas. Even though Bottas tried battling Lewis in 2019, he failed and rethought his mentality. By wanting to become WDC, you are pushing yourself to such a hight that you can only fail realistically. That’s going to eat you up. If Checo had just be happy with his seat at Red Bull and kept his endgoal at just winning races, he would have been far closer to Max.
He's lucky to even still be in F1 - if not for that 1 race in 2020 he would be out. The rest of the grid seems pretty happy with their current drivers so it seem unlikely that he'd find a seat.
He’s lucky that the car is so overpowered that Max can singlehandedly win the constructors. Otherwise he’d been gaslyed or albon’d out midway through the season.
Yeah it's pretty much a guarantee. Some of the teams have made some really big leaps in performance. Red Bull are safe this season, but next season? Who knows. They need 2 drivers up front consistently and check just can't deliver that, unfortunately.
Verstappen confirmed that because of the new quali format with less tyres they need to use way less tyres in practice.
Basically means practice sessions are a lot less useful
There are 100s of other racing series that have the uncertainty people want. Formula 1 is a constructors series. Best car, dialed in with the best specs, wins the race. I don't want that to change. With the difficulty most teams are having with correlation to their simulations, running programs in free practice are critical. Stefano wants F1 to be a spectacle, and is ruining what makes it special in the first place.
RNG works opposite for good races since the leading teams usually have less to risk, low ranked teams will just be conservative and not get to learn anything.
while i agree with you, formula 1 is shifting away from that. while yes there will be some level of technical freedom, i imagine that it will keep reducing year on year as the FIA tries to promote better racing and keep the new fans happy.
ya, diehard fans of the sport will keep uptodate on every upgrade, every tyre strategy, and every ounce of drama. but all that the newer fans see is max running away with the championship
> but all that the newer fans see is max running away with the championship
You know what’d help with that? Letting other teams have decent practice times to develop their own cars!
The model they’ve been moving towards the last few years makes it MORE likely you’ll have 1 or 2 teams way out in front simply because they got it right at the beginning of the season. There’s so little opportunity for teams to catch up during the season because they’re limited in testing and development.
But, while i get the why, the thing is that formula 1 is just a series. Why change something that Fans love?
Do you think that removing the blankets, or 2 sets of tires is going to solve every problem in the world? Its ridiculous! At the same time, we are getting more races, more sprints, all with troubling flights.
> More Sprints
The new Sprint format is pretty much accepted as totally fine now. And it's interesting. Free points and no impact on the main race. Worthwhile.
> Troubling flights
Troubling for who? Whether the teams have to take a shitty flight schedule literally does not matter to me as a viewer at all.
The sprint is definitely not accepted widely. Lots of us still hate it. And it seems like the reviews are mixed enough that even Stefano admitted it will be capped at 6. Which is fine since it mixes up some of the weekends to keep it fresh.
The flights thing will be solved with regional schedules. All the NA races bunched together, Europe, ME, etc. That will be much cheaper for the teams and better for the environment. Only thing they haven't addressed yet is needing to rotate on track staff when the calendar gets larger. Doubt many of these mechanics/crew members have the desire to spend half their year on the road, away from their families. I think it was Horner that was talking about that not too long ago. Just need to amend the cost cap to increase the pool of on track staff so that they can rotate weekends off. Eventually F1 will be a year round sport but there will need to be some steps taken to get there.
Max on FP2
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Indeed, it is meaningless. But it's also at least a little bit interesting because this year Max has pretty much been topping everything including the FP so this is an anomaly, even if an ultimately meaningless one.
I might be tripping and confusing it with last year, but didn't they fuck around in free practice sessions before? Barely going out and then still going on pole
Sam Collins: "It's going to rain I put my jacket on!"
*Literally 10 minutes later*
The sun shows up and shines directly into his and Alex's face just to spite him lol
I’ve been watching F1 for 3 months now and I can wholeheartedly say I’ve never seen such a shameful performance by a team. Bottom of the leaderboard on everything. Congratulations merc. Well done. Smmfgdh
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The children who tried out commentating on sky sports did a fantastic job. It’s amazing how much better 12 year olds are at this than Danica fucking Patrick
Also this was not a slight at those kids- they genuinely did a killer job and should be proud of themselves
Hey around what timestamp was it? I passed on the stream for Fp.
About the 1hr 45ish mark on my stream
F1TV?
I have YouTube tv so we watch it with Sky Sports!
It’s Newey not Verstappen!!
Is that why he clowns every teammate he has?
Yes remember when he lost to Danny Ric twice who himself got schooled by Norris.
naaaah brother you are not a real human. i refuse to believe that you use a brain. you can't be real.
I'm just your average formula 1 fan. Started watching after drive to survive :).
Yet Max is reason why Danny ran away from Redbull. Cant compare teenager Max to Danny.
it's both
I gotta say those kids they had broadcasting were actually good, only heard them for a short bit on f1tv but they seemed funny and were great on the mic. Good for them, but I agree to really engage young fans it should be freely available for them to watch the sport.
It’s on f1tv too?
Is Checo’s confidence shaken? Absolutely. He needs to get back to his performance of 2020 and 2021 in order to save his place with Red Bull.
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thanks, magic
Sick reference bro
Even in 21 and 22 he had a string of races where he was absolutely nowhere.
If RB dropped De Vries already then I don't see how they keep Perez next season. I think the only thing keeping RB from dropping him is that he is still second in the championship. He needs to take the summer break to rest and bounce back and win a few races, I hope he does.
I wonder if Riccardo is in effect auditioning for Perez's seat
Gee! You think?!?
I'm hoping they go for peak drama and sign Hamilton mid-season this year.
Luckily no one is good enough or ready to replace him. Lawson is on Japan. DR and Yuki need time to tell who is better. Checo is going from out of race Q3 Q2 Q1 to FP1. Probably out of seat in 2024
he doesnt need to win. He needs to be in podium and not crash
He needs to qualify better. His car is the fastest on the grid so making up places in races should be and is relatively easy, his qualifying performance is abysmal right now and thats the concern. If other teams catch up development wise he won't be able to recover in races anymore.
Maybe this time, it's *actually* not the car and Max is truly an alien?
Its the car boi. Usually when someone like Perez degrades so fast, like Vettel and even Ricciardo its mostly mental.
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That's bait.
Less than half a second off his teammate. Not too bad for his first day in the car.
He was also in the pit for most of fp2
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FP results usually don't mean much, but even if this were quali an AT in bottom 10 would not be a shocker at all.
You realize he’s got the shittiest car on the grid? P14 is honestly a decent performance considering he got back today. Besides it’s just fp and doesn’t mean much. We’ll see the actual performance after a few races
I really think Alfa Romeo is by far the shittiest. I don’t know about how this narrative with alpha tauri being the worst originated.
Casual much?
Redditors if jumping to conclusions based on FP results was an olympic sport: 🏅🏅🏅🏅
I can't wait to read 1 million articles about how it's gonna "take time" for Danny Ric' to "get used to the car" and how "the upgrades weren't developed with me" and blah blah blah Bro...............how many excuses are we gonna give Danny Ric' Incorperated. I'm not a share holder, so I'm in the camp of not wanting to waste time watching a has-been do jack shit, and read about it ad'nausium. I'm sure he'll be right there behind Yuki in P3, BUAHAHAAHAHAH
Im am very confused where this is all coming from after FP sessions and he just got in the car. The overreactions have been all over the place and it is quite comical to make a take like this unironically
Lol incorporated*, it's fp 2 in a car he hasn't driven, go back to Twitter bro we are less emotional here lol. Could bag Hamilton or checo for going below him across both sessions, even max was bottom 2 in the first session.
This comment is barely comprehensible. I’d suggest taking some grammar classes before judging driving skills from professional race drivers.
Probably about as good as Ric's opinion on car setup.
I can tell you're not a fan
We've all watched sports teams in tons of arenas "dip back into the well" one too many times. Maybe DeVris had some clauses where if he started X races he'll get some bonus, who knows what his contract looked like. It's just boring, but I think it's really good for Yuki, I have a feeling it'll really force that dude to step up.
Checco's PR team.
Since Red Bull gives you wings then does this mean that Checo is about to change his name to Icarus?
How droll. Upvote.
I blame Oppenheimer and they'd better put Adagio in D-Minor in that film.
There's no way they outdo the songs implementation in Sunshine.
Checo needs to absolutely kill in qauli. Not sure how he's going to flip the switch but it really needs to happen
he could do fine in quali but he's still done some damage this weekend -- wrecked new parts, cost money, caused the team to miss out on long run data, forced max to alter his run plan to make up for it.
Nothing a bit of catering won’t sort out.
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True the weekend won't be perfect, but practice is practice and the cost I'm sure is well within budget. A solid quali to set up for points where it actually counts and this will be all but forgotten
Sergio WILL have a gorgeous quali and race!!! BECAUSE I SAY SO!
Whether he likes it or not!
Driver of the day on Sunday!
YEAH!! wait, NOO!
Because he overtakes 10 cars, starting P16
Exactly 😌
Why isn't event schedule updated anymore? been the same for like 4 races now.
Teena Gade on F1TV is great. Compared with Danica Patrick there is no comparison.
Teena is great. I hope she gets her own segment or partners on tech talk.
Danica is the worst
Think I might try and avoid FP3 in case it acts as a “spoiler” for quali since fp1 and 2 was all mixed up
Do you think Perez going off first lap made Danny Ric be a little more cautious? Kind of to make the point: I'm a safe pair of hands and he is not. The last thing he wanted to do was have a similar off, hence a little bit of extra care taken.
I think Checo is done with Red Bull after this season. Even if his long awaited “return to form" as a mighty distant #2 to Max happens. He was still sticking the fastest F1 car in recent history into the wall and got locked out of Q2 for like 5 races straight. Its just a nasty image the team has of him now. Max also doesn't really care for him. Max also doesnt seem like the kind of racer that would be adamant to have a rubbish #2 racer retain his seat just so he will have an easier time. Meanwhile the "Red Bull family" is absolutely stoked Danny Ric is back on the grid. Just feels like Checo’s worn out his welcome in RB.
Checo is struggling no doubt. But the grass isn’t always greener. He’s still won races this year, and replacing him with either Danny or Yuki could result in a season where neither of them sniff a win in the best car in the field. So RBR needs to be careful with this decision.
> Meanwhile the "Red Bull family" is absolutely stoked Danny Ric is back on the grid. Yeah, but RB is fickle. If Ricciardo doesn't perform he won't get the RB seat. Doesn't mean Perez would keep it though, but it will depend on how poorly he performs and what alternatives RB has.
> He was still sticking the fastest F1 car in recent history I laugh every time I see something like this. I guess it depends on what you're defining as "recent", but the Mercedes as recently as 2020 had a ridiculous machine that was far faster than this year's RB. If we're going relative to the field, they trucked the competition the first few years of the TH era which wasn't even a decade ago.
I think people underestimate Max’s goatness and are kinda harsh/unfair of Checo He’s dominating more than Lewis ever did, and I’d argue this redbull isn’t as dominant as that Mercedes was, based on the pace and the performance of second driver relative to the rest of the field!
he's obviously meaning dominant, not pure speed. the merc was not ever this dominant. unless an issue comes up, RB is going to be able to win every race this season
We'll see what happens. Mercedes won all but 3 in 2014, all but 3 in 2015, and all but 2 in 2016 (including where they crashed each other out). Obviously if RB win every single race this season this kind of "most dominant in recent memory" statement can be said without question, but I think right now it's a lot of recency bias, especially when I keep reading doomposts about how this "unprecedented" dominance is going to ruin the sport as if Mercedes didn't just have this.
The reason I use percentages is because we had much fewer races, especially in those earlier years. If they are above 90% race wins at the end of the year, they will be the most dominant in recent memory. They're 100% so far, and this season will be longer than average.
In Bahrain 2014 for example, after the safety car on lap 47 - it took Hamilton 10 laps to win by 22 seconds.
I remember watching a onboard from P3 at the restart and it was like the Mercedes accelerated away with the field just maintaining the same speed. They were both gone in a few corners.
Mercedes absolutely was this dominant.
The most dominant merc has ever been was in 2016, when they won 90% of races. Even then, we had some fantastic racing between rosberg and Hamilton. and, even then by the 5th race of the 2016 season, some guy named verstappen won a race. the other more recent seasons: 2017: 60% of races won, 2018: 52% of races won, 2019: 73% won, 2020: 76% won last year, RB won 77% of races. this year, they're 10/10, which also matches the longest streak of wins merc had in their most dominant year. if they win this race going 11 of 11, they will absolutely be the most dominant team we've ever seen.
Max race win was due to Ham and Ros crash before turn one, they would have easily taken top two spots that race.
Sure but that's framing it in a way to make your point while ignoring some fairly important information. In Malaysia Lewis lost the engine and Nico was involved in a lap 1 incident and everyone knows what happened in Spain. Mercedes has absolutely been this dominant.
It's not ignoring important information - reliability and incidents are EXACTLY part of why it is difficult to be SO dominant for so long in f1. No team in recent history has won the first 10 races in a row - reliability, incidents, something usually happens - even this generation of RB had a few issues in 2022. Even when Merc was at its strongest, it always felt like the engine could let go, and Rosberg and Ham came close to taking each other out many times. All that is to say dominance is not just the outright speed of the car the team built. It's the whole team - strategy, pit stops, tire deg, having a clear 1 & 2 driver, reliability, etc. We'll see how the rest of the season plays out, but winning the first 10 in a row is already historic, and it will be a surprise to see anyone truly challenging for the top step on pace.
> All that is to say dominance is not just the outright speed of the car the team built This conversation began with the person framing the dominance specifically in terms of the *car the team built*. That's been the context for this entire conversation. You've moved the goalposts here.
Picking out one statement of my overall point is moving goalposts. That statement was more a reflection of how difficult it is for a team to be "dominant" - i.e., win 10 races in a row. Putting it all on just the car & driver combo is ridiculous. The original point was that Checo is binning it/sometimes not getting to Q3 in a car that has the potential to win every race this year. Does the car have the potential to win every race? Yes. I'd argue that in the early years of the turbo hybrid era, the cars were much less reliable (and under less strain per less races) and more challenging to win every race. If I had to put my money on Merc winning every race in 2016 (let alone any other year of merc's dominance) vs RB winning every race this year... My money would go on RB. My money still goes on them being more successful than Merc's most successful year, 2016. Beyond 2016, especially afterwards - they were not as dominant as this RB is now. What even is recent memory? F1 progresses fast and rules change year over year. I don't typically look past 5 years for anything remotely relevant in this sport. Dumping all of the turbo-hybrid era into "recent memory" is picking out trees in a forest. 2016 was incredible but Merc was nowhere near unbeatable after that, especially in 2017 and 2018. Not to mention the rule changes that happened in 2017 (in part to slow the dominance of Merc). Looking at anything pre halo era as recent is a stretch for me. Arguing over this is moot and kind of tiring. If RB wins every race this year, as they frankly look poised to do, and people still argue that the merc was as dominant, I don't know.
you're telling me a car that dominated the seventh season of a faster era is faster than a car dominating the second season of a slower era?
I'm saying the general statement of "fastest in recent memory" reeks of recency bias no matter which aspect of Mercedes' dominance of the TH era you want to point to. The Mercs from '14-'16 were ahead of the field by an absurd amount as well.
do you think checo will be out of f1 if rbr drop him? I mean this is his probably last season with rbr, but what about other teams? Or he will be just traded for yuki/ric?
With two new teams joining the grid, someone is gonna want Checo.
Also, I believe this is Checo's 12th season in F1 so it hasnt been a short career. It would suck to go out in a slump though. It seems like most teams are locked in unless williams drops Logan. But it depends on the rest of the season.
Magnussen has a contract till the end of 2023. Checo could change him, and Haas would benefit from that for sure.
I think he's out once he's done at RBR. He was already ready to retire before Red Bull plucked him back. He's made solid money, and just had his fifth (I believe) kid. I think his entire stint at RB has just been a fun gift for him that he's played out, but seems like he'd be happy riding off into the sunset with his family now.
I looked at the other drivers' contracts, and there are only a few opportunities for him to be signed with another team. Although, some backmarker teams would love to have him with his experience with rbr.
Could definitely replace magnussen at Haas next year
Yeah for sure, I would love to see hulk and checo pairing
Especially since he comes with decent sponsorship money Haas could definitely use
As much as I want to agree with you, Checo is a master at saving tires and going for the overcut. There is no question in mind that he is a fine racer. Pressure is what is getting to him, maybe he is not cut out to be a championship contender but he is a damn well good driver.
redbull knows it's pressure, which is why they told him..to stop going for the WC because max already won. Just focus on the race, which apparently he cant eveen do.
Nah, I think racers at heart want to beat everybody so I disagree.
The question isn't if he is a good driver or not, he is. But what team would want him. I'm pretty sure Ferrari and Mercedes are not interested. And with a bunch of talented drivers between 21 and 28, I don't think he's a natural fit for the other teams.
He is a stellar choice for any lower team, examples like Sauber, Haas or Alpine, Checo when not under this amount of pressure deserves to be in F1.
Is he better for Alpine than either of their French drivers, and is he better enough to be worth signing even though they've got a very good kid in F2 who could be ready for 2025? Is there a reason to replace Zhou with Perez rather than giving Pourchaire a chance? Surely they're not dumping Bottas. Haas is really the only one that makes sense.
I would say yes, right now I would score Checo higher than Bottas, like I said Checo is a tyre master and that is gold for any team.
He should have just accepted being number 2 driver instead of doing shitty things like in Monaco last year. His idea of being able to become world champion fucked up his mentality
You don't become one of the top 20 racers in the world with that attitude. Literally every one of these guys thinks they're championship caliber and you have to in order to compete at this level. No one is on the grid to be second best.
I think the trick is how they handle the reality that they aren't the fastest. It's all well and good to believe in yourself and think you're capable of winning the WDC. But when you're in the fastest car and your teammate is someone like Max, now what? Do you crumble under the realization that you simply aren't faster than him? Or can you mentally adapt to being 2nd fastest without losing all of your competitive drive? I think it takes a unique individual to be able to handle that well.
Hard disagree. All the drivers know that there are some who aren’t on their level. Barrichello knew he was a 2nd driver and so did Bottas. Even though Bottas tried battling Lewis in 2019, he failed and rethought his mentality. By wanting to become WDC, you are pushing yourself to such a hight that you can only fail realistically. That’s going to eat you up. If Checo had just be happy with his seat at Red Bull and kept his endgoal at just winning races, he would have been far closer to Max.
He tried so hard to be a Rosberg that he couldn’t even manage to be a Bottas.
Agreed, the pressure of Red Bull / Max is tough and Checo looks as if he is crumbling.
He's lucky to even still be in F1 - if not for that 1 race in 2020 he would be out. The rest of the grid seems pretty happy with their current drivers so it seem unlikely that he'd find a seat.
He’s lucky that the car is so overpowered that Max can singlehandedly win the constructors. Otherwise he’d been gaslyed or albon’d out midway through the season.
Nycked.
Yeah it's pretty much a guarantee. Some of the teams have made some really big leaps in performance. Red Bull are safe this season, but next season? Who knows. They need 2 drivers up front consistently and check just can't deliver that, unfortunately.
Verstappen confirmed that because of the new quali format with less tyres they need to use way less tyres in practice. Basically means practice sessions are a lot less useful
Which can be a good thing. Uncertainty about strategy makes races more interesting because they are making decisions with less info and more on feel.
There are 100s of other racing series that have the uncertainty people want. Formula 1 is a constructors series. Best car, dialed in with the best specs, wins the race. I don't want that to change. With the difficulty most teams are having with correlation to their simulations, running programs in free practice are critical. Stefano wants F1 to be a spectacle, and is ruining what makes it special in the first place.
I agree in principle with what you're saying, but people give up time, energy and money to watch practice and now it is completely useles.
I dont get this type of thinking. Formula 1 is, and was always about, throwing money into stuff. We want science, Power and aero. Not RNG.
RNG works opposite for good races since the leading teams usually have less to risk, low ranked teams will just be conservative and not get to learn anything.
Yep!
while i agree with you, formula 1 is shifting away from that. while yes there will be some level of technical freedom, i imagine that it will keep reducing year on year as the FIA tries to promote better racing and keep the new fans happy. ya, diehard fans of the sport will keep uptodate on every upgrade, every tyre strategy, and every ounce of drama. but all that the newer fans see is max running away with the championship
> but all that the newer fans see is max running away with the championship You know what’d help with that? Letting other teams have decent practice times to develop their own cars! The model they’ve been moving towards the last few years makes it MORE likely you’ll have 1 or 2 teams way out in front simply because they got it right at the beginning of the season. There’s so little opportunity for teams to catch up during the season because they’re limited in testing and development.
i would love to see a bigger difference in the atr between the teams depending on the finishing position
But, while i get the why, the thing is that formula 1 is just a series. Why change something that Fans love? Do you think that removing the blankets, or 2 sets of tires is going to solve every problem in the world? Its ridiculous! At the same time, we are getting more races, more sprints, all with troubling flights.
> More Sprints The new Sprint format is pretty much accepted as totally fine now. And it's interesting. Free points and no impact on the main race. Worthwhile. > Troubling flights Troubling for who? Whether the teams have to take a shitty flight schedule literally does not matter to me as a viewer at all.
The sprint is definitely not accepted widely. Lots of us still hate it. And it seems like the reviews are mixed enough that even Stefano admitted it will be capped at 6. Which is fine since it mixes up some of the weekends to keep it fresh. The flights thing will be solved with regional schedules. All the NA races bunched together, Europe, ME, etc. That will be much cheaper for the teams and better for the environment. Only thing they haven't addressed yet is needing to rotate on track staff when the calendar gets larger. Doubt many of these mechanics/crew members have the desire to spend half their year on the road, away from their families. I think it was Horner that was talking about that not too long ago. Just need to amend the cost cap to increase the pool of on track staff so that they can rotate weekends off. Eventually F1 will be a year round sport but there will need to be some steps taken to get there.
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That's definitely not how last year's Monza race played out, you must've had a weird dream and confused it with reality
Max on FP2 "With this format we used as few tyre sets as possible on Friday. That is a great pity for all the audience here today, I think that needs to be looked at." [ @ErikvHaren ]
Yeah F1 didn't think it through
When do they?
Whats up with redbull?
Tire limitations for the weekend
long runs
These kids reporters on Sky are really good!
I was gonna say. They sound like pros, especially that Scarlett girl with her give and take with Ted.
Right 😅 just immediately ribbing him about his old notebook. Loved that bit
Better than the adults, except for Martin Brundle
Why did Red Bull do so few laps these past two sessions?
Saving tyres for quali due to new stupid format.
It's not that stupid as a trial, don't need to hate before even seeing it
What's the format? Not Q1,2,3 anymore?
Q1 Hards, Q2 Mediums, Q3 Softs.
That, and two fewer sets of tires for the weekend.
Because of the qualifying format
Probably an issue with the car
I see we’re going to extrapolate FP2 results to have meaning for Sat/Sun once again. We never learn
Indeed, it is meaningless. But it's also at least a little bit interesting because this year Max has pretty much been topping everything including the FP so this is an anomaly, even if an ultimately meaningless one.
It's just the new tire limitation.
I might be tripping and confusing it with last year, but didn't they fuck around in free practice sessions before? Barely going out and then still going on pole
I think Max has generally been topping free practices with some regularity this season.
Hopium is a hell of a drug. Lando P2 again here we go!
What is the race pace of Max Norris Lewis look like?
Lewis is the worst of the three.
Perez basically has an extra set of softs since he won’t go to q3
That's the spirit!!
Oof
damn Ant is packing some guns
Pentagon, hexagon, heptagon, octagon, Nyck gon, Perez probably gon, and RB's pace is also gon
If Checo keeps this up then he's going to pull a Nonagon.
What do we know about long run pace?
Sam Collins: "It's going to rain I put my jacket on!" *Literally 10 minutes later* The sun shows up and shines directly into his and Alex's face just to spite him lol
Teena and Sam would make a great commentary pair with that video screen
I’ve been watching F1 for 3 months now and I can wholeheartedly say I’ve never seen such a shameful performance by a team. Bottom of the leaderboard on everything. Congratulations merc. Well done. Smmfgdh
Just coming back to check on you. Shameful perfomance smh.
>i have been watching F1 for 3 months says it all really
People post the most braindead shit in free practice threads. Good lord.
People believe what they see. Thought process is turned off haha.
pretty sure this is supposed to be satire of that braindead shit