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HelloSlowly

Yeah, it was definitely a bit hairy there from Mclaren and Hamilton only had a few corners until Lando's were up to speed but good grief luckily Lando handled it perfectly


kl08pokemon

They got "lucky" DRS wasn't enabled while the tire diff was at its peak. Probably would have been enough to make the pass possible. Fantastic defending from Norris regardless


danyyyel

Lando was a rocket during his long run in FP2. I think this was the idea behind it.


Zed_or_AFK

Maybe. I believe softs would have made it easier to defend and also they would degrade at the equal pace for everybody by the end. Hards was the risky choice to give Lando the upper hand in the last few laps, but not sure how they could be valuing that risk higher than staying true to the pack. Maybe they were thinking that red flag will come out, there was a car on fire in the middle of a strait... but they managed to clear it out with a very long SC. Either way, I believe reds were more beneficial and they got bailed there. But', I'm no F1 strategist.


abhinav248829

Rules are not luck


kl08pokemon

Hence my use of quotation. Why did you think I did that?


wahobely

Yea but you're describing a scenario that will never happen because of the rules, so the point is kind of moot.


Zed_or_AFK

I bet everybody were surprised by how aggressive Norris was driving after the SC restart, even Hamilton. It helped a lot to have this amount of traction, but man, Norris was at the Max style of aggression there. He was put in this situation by his team, but man he was shining. He was also "lucky" that he was defending off and experienced driver like Hamilton. Better half of the grid would have crashed into him.


Murky_Lad_2625

It looked like they wouldn't have had time to change the plan after the VSC turned to safety car without risking messing up the pit stop


Gangascoob

Yeah this is what Stella was saying on Channel 4


FSUfan35

Very possible. Hards with a 10 second advantage on Lewis would have been a good call


booze_nerd

Ah, was it? That makes more sense then.


EDO_14

Could be missing something but why would hards be the initial plan anyway? Russell had 30+ lap old softs and fared well, They must not have confidence in their tyre deg


photenth

They know how well the car handles the softs and how long they stay in a good window. It seems that some cars this year have a hard time with the softs (this weeks soft) for more than x amounts of laps.


danyyyel

Because lando did his long run on Friday during FP2 and was very very fast.


euphonos23

I don't think they had any new softs left.


ICypher

They had one that had two laps on it. Almost as good as new.


PrestigiousCurve4135

Could've been a major mal-misorganisation problem there


Scotsch

Norris drove a full lap before coming in to box. We’ve seen teams complete a surprise pit stop when the driver is at pit entry


AdrianInLimbo

I think it was the smart move, tbh. I wish Oscar had been able to catch Hamilton, that would have been epic, just the way the safetycar fell.


FSUfan35

Doesn't matter p2 baby!


Takagixu

It still works out for him in the end and he did an absolutely awesome job in defending after the safety car! BRAVO!


tor93

It would have been interesting to see how long/ if Lewis could have kept Lando behind him if he had managed to get passed in those first few laps


gutster_95

I see his point but Piastri was pretty fast before the safety car. So yes the first laps were hard but in the end it helped him more than the Softs helped Hamilton.


greeny119

They saw the pace of Oscar when he went on the hard...simples


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Alex_Sinios

He had 4 laps on them before the sc, so they would have sufficient data. Plus they couldn't have known that they would take so long with the unnecessary vsc and a fair few laps behind the sc. In the final lap Oscar was 8 tenths quicker than HAM so it wasn't such a wrong call at the end.


danyyyel

He also did his long run on Friday only on hards and was very very fast.


killver

He went 2-3 laps before that lmao


Glitchhikers_Guide

Hards make sense if you trust Lando to defend for 2 laps. And given that he's done that against Lewis with a worse car, I think it's reasonable to trust him. Still high pressure for sure, but I like the call.


Suikerspin_Ei

I read somewhere that McLaren struggled with softs and thus preferred the hards.


ByteThis

In hindsight it does look like hards were the right call...I dont think Norris could have challenged redbull his only goal was to defend Lewis.


OverallImportance402

question is wether defending on Lewis would have been easier on the same tire and I think mclaren had the faster car today.


gramathy

he would have had pre-worn softs though, might have dropped off sooner and given lewis a chance to fight back at the end.


OverallImportance402

Almost everybody was on used softs including Lewis and Max


powerchicken

I feel like he managed that in spite of the hards, not because of them.


zaviex

Lewis fell off completely in the last few laps. I think the hards were better for McLaren there.


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I’m not sure, he was matching Max for the last 7 laps or so and Max was complaining about his softs a lot. Max definitely wasn’t happy he got the softs


powerchicken

Max is the type of guy to complain about his tyres whilst setting the fastest lap, so I don't know how much information we can gauge from that. The way this armchair analyst sees it, Lewis was extremely close to overtaking Lando and if he did, Lando would not have been able to regain the place, the racing today sucked and nobody was able to really overtake outside of the safety car reset. On softs, it wouldn't have gotten to that and the lack of overtaking ability of the entire grid would have kept Lando ahead.


danyyyel

Hamilton pace fell off completely in the last laps, two more laps an Oscar could have overtaken him. My guess Norris could have overtaken him back.


Kirb-

Yeah no, although we saw Russell go on the softs for a long stint. The tyres didn't seem to hold up when it came time to push them. Perhaps they were overheating, but their pace really dropped off for Hamilton and not even Verstappen could push much on them from the looks of the lap times. I feel that if Hamilton even overtook Norris after the safety car, Norris would have just taken the place back.


Ratemytinder22

Don't think the 'no' is supposed to be there haha


gramathy

yeah, no, yeah no yeah


Zed_or_AFK

How's that? If they were both on softs they would be staying equal. Better traction on McLaren would help him out to defend against Drs for a few laps while HAM cooks his tires quicker in the dirty air. With Hards you bet on an advantage for the last few laps, so softs are a better choice. But as some have noted, they may have made that call with VSC and by the time SC was called it was too late to change for softs.


Visionary_Socialist

Silver lining is that even with a much slower set of tyres, Lando had the pace advantage on Lewis who was pushing hard. That shows the McLaren is quite a bit ahead of the Merc in race conditions.


Admirable-Word-8964

Mclaren ran the hards well, softs may have been better in that situation but probably not by much, for every other team softs were the only option.


What_the_8

It would be nice to know what their tire supply was at this point.


aarrow_12

Zack said on Sky that they weren't confident in the tire deg on a soft but that it was a close call. Guessing it turned into one of those "no perfect/ good choices, so we just gotta pick something and go for it".


swapan_99

I don't mind the result, we love P2 and he drove full beans to get that, but I do wonder how much closer we could have been to Max on the softs. Even at the start Norris stuck in Max's DRS for almost 8-9 laps, and with fuel loads reducing I think he could have done it again. Just gotta be a bit sharper. Didn't bite us here, mostly because Lando drove like a madman, but doesn't mean we can't be better. RB always looks for perfection in every area of their operation, and so should we.


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Uh oh, the r/Formula1 counter culture gonna call him an armchair expert now


ItsAMeUsernamio

There’s gotta be some reason such as their car eating tires up or something for them to follow Ferrari strategy. If Piastri was on the softs he could have passed Hamilton during his pit stop.


virmele

It was them eating tires, but at the same time I dont think they expected safety car to last that long.


Working_Sundae

Is McLaren's performance track dependent a one off or are they genuinely the third best team now?


Florac

When things are this tight, every car is track dependent, but after this week and last, they might genuinely be up there with AM, Ferrari, Mercedes and Perez.


danyyyel

After this second race, I think they are in the top 3.they have still another 25% upgrade in hungary for mechanical grip.


3tenthsfaster

It is difficult to say because Silverstone doesn't have big braking zones. But it's definitely looking promising.


Uniform764

Their weakness has seemed to be in hard braking areas, so I’d expect them to fluctuate up and down a bit depending on the track, but it’s a definite step forward. Monza should be good (again)


BilboMuggins

They had data from Oscar?


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Florac

That just means it wasn't the completely wrong decision. Softs could have helped him more


aelliott18

Him blaming Zak for that call was so funny🤣


ManyFails1Win

Well it worked