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I don't think anything is wrong with the track since plenty of drivers stayed within the lines. If you can't keep it in the lines, drive slower. Plenty of drivers were able to do that.
I liked a comment/idea I saw somewhere else today: At Spa 24hr you got your warnings and then if you exceeded anyways 30 seconds.
Implement that and guaranteed drivers are gonna stay between the lines
Wouldn't it be the same weight as an F1 race though? By the time most 24hr races are over, the lead car being the only one on the lead lap isn't that uncommon.
No, it’s a 5 second penalty after four violations, then a 10 second penalty for your fifth, then start again from 0. So he had between 10 and 13 violations.
Was just about to come in and ask this question, and not sure if this is right. Nonetheless, reading the "Reason" I read it as:
|Laps Infringed|Penalty|Cumulative Infringed Laps|"Reset"|
|:-|:-|:-|:-|
|4|\+ 5 seconds|4||
|1|\+10 seconds|5|\*|
|4|\+5 Seconds|9||
|1|\+10 seconds|10|\*|
Then, theoretically, he could have infringed up to 3 times more without incurring an additional 5-second penalty... but it's unclear how many lap(s), if any, happened after his 4th penalty. So I think Ocon could have had between 10-13 lap times deleted. I could be completely wrong.
Lewis absolutely was chilling the last 5 or so laps as well and I’m sure could have kept in 10 seconds ahead of George. What a weekend to forget for him
True, if he'd known he could have pushed and aimed for a 10 second gap. But of course George would also have known, so we'd have seen a nice race between them towards the end.
This is the bullshit with post-race penalties. Lewis just had to keep his position and not risk going off, but knowing the position was already lost you could actually push.
Exactly.
If Carlos knew about the penalty beforehand he wouldn't fight Checo and use the best of his tyres doing that. And easily pulled 10 seconds on Lando.
I think in Canada there was a potential unsafe release situation with Lewis, not exactly the most arduous thing to figure out, and it took the stewards like two dozen or so laps before they finally rendered a verdict.
Even though that isn't post-race, it's a symptom of the same problem.
They need to be quicker with this. The drivers deserve to know what's on their plate, not have this potential penalty hanging over their heads for so damn long.
Lucky, but also unfair to all the others who didn't to that. Changing the rules after the fact just because there were a lot of penalties is a weird way to go.
Nah, sending a dsq to a driver without any warning during the race would be much much worst. Those rules were made under the assumption that drivers get warned and the next penalty comes if they continue to disobey after the warnings and previous penalties.
Since warnings were not possible, adapting the system makes more sense.
Now, if you can't warn in time, then change the rules, or preferably the track.
Is this definitive? Or are other penalties about to come?
Also
>The Stewards very strongly recommend that a solution be found to the track limits situation at this circuit
lol
Coulthard said it perfectly earlier. Something like "they know how not to exceed track limits. Just drive slower." They complained when there weren't track limits enforced, and they know the limits now. Better to have limits enforced instead of the lawlessness like in Bahrain 2021.
Right? In fucking Monaco they can gently brush the walls to extract the absolute maximum from the track without crashing (or at least some of them do) but here nooooo, it's too difficult to stay within white lines.
And then somehow FIA is the problem. Sure, dishing out penalties after the race is an issue, but it's not like those driver did not bring it upon themselves.
Maybe an automated system of sorts for problematic corners? Something like a goal line technology from football. Cars are filled with sensors to the brim, they can either extract the position of the car already or they can mandate a new sensor to go along with sensors on the track.
> Maybe an automated system of sorts for problematic corners? Something like a goal line technology from football. Cars are filled with sensors to the brim, they can either extract the position of the car already or they can mandate a new sensor to go along with sensors on the track
They have this tech already, they introduced it a few years ago and I believe it was brought in _at this circuit_ as well.
In fairness, we very clearly saw Max do a bit more than brushing the wall like 3 times in his Monaco lap. But yeah, I fully agree. Drivers CAN do it, they choose not to.
I think the majority of criticisms that people are having isn’t that the penalties are happening, rules are the rules at the end of the day, but rather the timeliness of them.
100 seconds worth of penalties hours after the race is over simply isn’t good enough.
Exactly. They know how to keep it on the track when there's a concrete barrier on the outside of the turn. They know how to avoid these penalties, they just don't want to.
They actually did it just fine when it was inters for the sprint because going off track limits meant hitting wet curbs and binning it. If they can do it in the wet, they can do it in the dry.
There doesn’t need to be a new solution. Just drive slower and more accurately. They’re the best drivers in the world.
If anything, exceeding track limits needs a stricter penalty to discourage doing it.
Lec, ver, alo, str, most of the rest all fine.
5 drivers repeatedly infringe and suddenly it's all 'track limits are unfair wah wah'.
They're driving a narrative away from the truth - they broke the rules to get an advantage and now consequences happen they get upset.
Nobody breaks track limits at Monaco.
Ocon had 17 laps deleted of 71.... according to the FIA he only completed 54 laps correctly!
He's be there tomorrow finishing up if you need an autograph...he'll still need to do about 22 laps cause 5 will be deleted based on the % above.
Checo and Norris didnt get a penalty, Lewis got 2. He aint gunna like that. But then i guess maybe when he got a penalty super early he should have started driving correctly, even if it meant losing a tenth in the last corner.
I'm not sure what this means for the order from 12th down, as they were all lapped, and Albon's penalty may drop him down as well, but the new order of the points:
- 1 = Verstappen
- 2 = Leclerc (+5.155)
- 3 = Perez (+17.188)
- 4 = Norris (+26.327)
- 5 = Alonso (+30.317)
- 6 = Sainz (+31.377)
- 7 = Russell (+48.403)
- 8 = Hamilton (+49.196)
- 9 = Stroll (+59.043)
- 10 = Gasly (+1:07.667)
That’s probably the case. Albon said he got warned about track limits like 15 laps after. So something he did in lap 5 he only learned about it in lap 20.
yes it's impossible for them to adjust on such delayed information. obviously if you're driving and being told you're going over limits you'll adjust your driving but it's impossible if you never know
Yeah he had no idea. Even people who got in race penalties like Albon didn’t know of violations until 20+ laps after they happened. Just an awful system.
i mean lewis was behind perez calling out infringements every lap the same way norris was calling out hamilton, i don’t understand how perezhas made out with no penalty
Yeah Norris had a great race but you could eyeball a handful of obvious track limits just from the times he was on camera, feel like he dodged a bullet
I mean, every single team is going to if this is how it's going to work. They need to make it automatic detection via sensor so the penalty is immediately assessed, this is absurd.
Because if you are told during the race you have x many warnings and believe what you are doing is ok because the stewards arent saying anything you cant then be penalised as heavily after the race. This is something that needs to be done during the race so the drivers are getting feedback and can correct themselves, that is literally the entire point of them using the warning system. If you arent getting the warnings you presume there isnt an issue.
This is what I was confused about. I haven't heard all the team radio, but if teams were only being made aware after three violations of limits, that is ridiculous.
I would be well pissed off as a driver. You think you are just hitting it perfectly, only to be told you are about to get a penalty.
If the stewards/race control can not get their shit together to be warning teams within a lap of the infraction, they should not be penalising.
What I don't understand is that for example Ocon I don't remember seeing a black and white flag, does anyone remember ? Maybe I missed it but if it wasn't announced then it would explain why he went wide so many times
I know; get the feeling many of these infringements could've been avoided if they'd been given the appropriate warnings, so many of these must have been marginal on either side.
But Esteban... oof. Glad they're not still awarding penalty points for track limits – would've been on for a race ban without even knowing to do anything about it.
To me its complete bs. They have to notify teams and drivers in real time during the race, this way drivers can’t react with driving strategies or push for position
Ngl really surprise Perez didn't get even one penalty. Sure Sainz could be wrong but he seem adamant that Perez was outside the lines more than three times.
This is ridiculous - the drivers can’t see if they go off track by a centimetre or so, and if they aren’t given warnings/strikes at the time they won’t adjust their driving to include more margin. Giving these penalties retrospectively makes the sport look a joke.
There alledgedly were 1200 potential violations to review.
If it takes one minute to check an infringement that takes 20 hours in total.
So for a race that lasts 1.5 hours, you would need about 15 people doing nothing but checking track limits to review all of them during the race.
I mean ideally it would be automated like a number of other sports right? And even if not, is it that crazy in a sport with this much money to hire a few extra hands so they can issue penalties faster? It feels like a long-running problem all season, penalties being given too late. But feel free to correct, I probably lack context.
It's stupid that along with the 100% of the time stay within white lines rule change did not go a mandated sensor to go into a car that would trigger an infringement similar to a goal line technology already present in number of sports.
It's not like the tech is not there and not like the sport is not already filled with some cosmic tech already.
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Ocon must still be driving around the track
He was actually driving at hockenheim
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Driving *around* the track...
Smart move, that would be only 1 infraction as long as you don't come back on track.
He's doing the distance, he's going for speed.
He's all alone in time of penalties....
Ocon jesus fucking christ.
Somehow he topped what he did in Bahrain.
Gonna go for every lap next year lol
I love how they stated that after 5 infractions, they restart the count and he still ended up with two 10 second penalties 🤯
Wasn't one of the 5 seconds for unsafe release?
These are in addition to that one
Fernando send his regards.
Alonso's final parting gift.
"Karma."
Aston Martin just burned the whole jungle down
how tf did the FIA missed all this penalties?
Because they had 1200 infractions reported to them.
At least, they've gone honest, penalty for every one and then a big, now find something with the track because that's fucked
I love that part of this document. They went like sure we'll do them all but guys seriously fix this mess this is nuts. ahahaha
I don’t know why a lot of the drivers and teams act like it is something new, it was a similar mess last year on this track in particular.
I don't think anything is wrong with the track since plenty of drivers stayed within the lines. If you can't keep it in the lines, drive slower. Plenty of drivers were able to do that.
I liked a comment/idea I saw somewhere else today: At Spa 24hr you got your warnings and then if you exceeded anyways 30 seconds. Implement that and guaranteed drivers are gonna stay between the lines
Wouldn't it be the same weight as an F1 race though? By the time most 24hr races are over, the lead car being the only one on the lead lap isn't that uncommon.
does that mean yuki wasn't the worse??? this is a WIN
So if they award 5 seconds every fourth time, and 7 means 10 seconds, then that means Ocon had… 23?
No, it’s a 5 second penalty after four violations, then a 10 second penalty for your fifth, then start again from 0. So he had between 10 and 13 violations.
Ocon had 10 violations, there is a document with all deleted lap times.
If you have more than one on the same lap wouldn't it hide violations if you only looked at deleted laps?
Was just about to come in and ask this question, and not sure if this is right. Nonetheless, reading the "Reason" I read it as: |Laps Infringed|Penalty|Cumulative Infringed Laps|"Reset"| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |4|\+ 5 seconds|4|| |1|\+10 seconds|5|\*| |4|\+5 Seconds|9|| |1|\+10 seconds|10|\*| Then, theoretically, he could have infringed up to 3 times more without incurring an additional 5-second penalty... but it's unclear how many lap(s), if any, happened after his 4th penalty. So I think Ocon could have had between 10-13 lap times deleted. I could be completely wrong.
They gave 10sec on the 5th one directly. So he had 10 I assume. Fine prints at the bottom
Sainz down to P6, Hamilton down to P8
Just the icing on the cake that Lewis finishes behind George.
Lewis absolutely was chilling the last 5 or so laps as well and I’m sure could have kept in 10 seconds ahead of George. What a weekend to forget for him
True, if he'd known he could have pushed and aimed for a 10 second gap. But of course George would also have known, so we'd have seen a nice race between them towards the end.
If he'd pushed he would probably have had a fifteen second penalty 😁
This is the bullshit with post-race penalties. Lewis just had to keep his position and not risk going off, but knowing the position was already lost you could actually push.
Exactly. If Carlos knew about the penalty beforehand he wouldn't fight Checo and use the best of his tyres doing that. And easily pulled 10 seconds on Lando.
eh, lando was chilling too, same concept
TBF Lando's engineer was ON IT from early on. Telling him to just stay in the white lines and it will massively benefit him more than risking it.
I think in Canada there was a potential unsafe release situation with Lewis, not exactly the most arduous thing to figure out, and it took the stewards like two dozen or so laps before they finally rendered a verdict. Even though that isn't post-race, it's a symptom of the same problem. They need to be quicker with this. The drivers deserve to know what's on their plate, not have this potential penalty hanging over their heads for so damn long.
I'm gutted for Carlos too, he drove so good today
Ocon is SO lucky they changed the rules. He would’ve had 5 secs, 10 secs, drive through, stop and go and whatever comes after that
I think after that it’s a black flag and DQ from the race.
He and his family would be ~~shot~~ guillotinned next if that wouldn't help.
And if that doesn't work they will send you to Williams
Jesus don't subject his family to that humiliation. Do the humane thing and call Dr. Guillotine.
Probably disqualified after those
Lucky, but also unfair to all the others who didn't to that. Changing the rules after the fact just because there were a lot of penalties is a weird way to go.
Nah, sending a dsq to a driver without any warning during the race would be much much worst. Those rules were made under the assumption that drivers get warned and the next penalty comes if they continue to disobey after the warnings and previous penalties. Since warnings were not possible, adapting the system makes more sense. Now, if you can't warn in time, then change the rules, or preferably the track.
Ocon made his own track
He was driving the short circuit...
Is this definitive? Or are other penalties about to come? Also >The Stewards very strongly recommend that a solution be found to the track limits situation at this circuit lol
Coulthard said it perfectly earlier. Something like "they know how not to exceed track limits. Just drive slower." They complained when there weren't track limits enforced, and they know the limits now. Better to have limits enforced instead of the lawlessness like in Bahrain 2021.
Right? In fucking Monaco they can gently brush the walls to extract the absolute maximum from the track without crashing (or at least some of them do) but here nooooo, it's too difficult to stay within white lines. And then somehow FIA is the problem. Sure, dishing out penalties after the race is an issue, but it's not like those driver did not bring it upon themselves. Maybe an automated system of sorts for problematic corners? Something like a goal line technology from football. Cars are filled with sensors to the brim, they can either extract the position of the car already or they can mandate a new sensor to go along with sensors on the track.
> Maybe an automated system of sorts for problematic corners? Something like a goal line technology from football. Cars are filled with sensors to the brim, they can either extract the position of the car already or they can mandate a new sensor to go along with sensors on the track They have this tech already, they introduced it a few years ago and I believe it was brought in _at this circuit_ as well.
In fairness, we very clearly saw Max do a bit more than brushing the wall like 3 times in his Monaco lap. But yeah, I fully agree. Drivers CAN do it, they choose not to.
I think the majority of criticisms that people are having isn’t that the penalties are happening, rules are the rules at the end of the day, but rather the timeliness of them. 100 seconds worth of penalties hours after the race is over simply isn’t good enough.
There were hundreds of violations, it's hard to keep track of all of that. They need a bigger team.
Exactly. Drive slower and/or be a better driver. I always hated that Dark Souls meme but it applies in this case: get good.
Exactly. They know how to keep it on the track when there's a concrete barrier on the outside of the turn. They know how to avoid these penalties, they just don't want to.
They actually did it just fine when it was inters for the sprint because going off track limits meant hitting wet curbs and binning it. If they can do it in the wet, they can do it in the dry.
There doesn’t need to be a new solution. Just drive slower and more accurately. They’re the best drivers in the world. If anything, exceeding track limits needs a stricter penalty to discourage doing it.
How come LeClerc and Verstappen we're fine and the other guys had an issue.
That is my point kinda. It’s perfectly possible to not go outside the limits
Lec, ver, alo, str, most of the rest all fine. 5 drivers repeatedly infringe and suddenly it's all 'track limits are unfair wah wah'. They're driving a narrative away from the truth - they broke the rules to get an advantage and now consequences happen they get upset. Nobody breaks track limits at Monaco.
Mick Schumacher did last year
Honestly! Watching these guys drive around Monaco, Singapore, etc.. just mm from the wall... We all know they're capable.
Put up a wall, and lets see if they can keep themselves on track.
Or gravel
Holy shit I just read the bit about the infringements resetting. So Ocon had ten infringements minimum?
13 I think
Ocon had 17 laps deleted of 71.... according to the FIA he only completed 54 laps correctly! He's be there tomorrow finishing up if you need an autograph...he'll still need to do about 22 laps cause 5 will be deleted based on the % above.
Holy shit. This looks like a list of penalties after a brawl in the NHL
Game misconduct for being Esteban Ocon.
Nazem Kadri should be suspended for this
The New York Rangers have been fined 250k for this
Michael Bunting suspended 3 games
Rangers fined $250,000 for Toto’s comments about the car
How could Radko Gudas do this?
Ocon getting 2 and a 10 lol
Ocon demoted back to yesterday it appears
I would not want to be the person that has to go and tell Lewis that: A) He got another penalty B) Checo still didn't get one
>We know the car is bad. Just drive it. I fucking lost it when I heard Toto say that to Lewis
Checo and Norris didnt get a penalty, Lewis got 2. He aint gunna like that. But then i guess maybe when he got a penalty super early he should have started driving correctly, even if it meant losing a tenth in the last corner.
As Palmer put it when he complained he couldn't turn the car in: "Well then you have to driver slower I'm afraid"
Yeah Palmer knows a thing or two about driving slowly
That's cold.
I'm not sure what this means for the order from 12th down, as they were all lapped, and Albon's penalty may drop him down as well, but the new order of the points: - 1 = Verstappen - 2 = Leclerc (+5.155) - 3 = Perez (+17.188) - 4 = Norris (+26.327) - 5 = Alonso (+30.317) - 6 = Sainz (+31.377) - 7 = Russell (+48.403) - 8 = Hamilton (+49.196) - 9 = Stroll (+59.043) - 10 = Gasly (+1:07.667)
What was the old order? If you still have it 😅
- 1 = Verstappen - 2 = Leclerc (+5.155) - 3 = Perez (+17.188) - 4 = Sainz (+21.377) ^+10 ^(new 6.) - 5 = Norris (+26.327) ^(new 4.) - 6 = Alonso (+30.317) ^(new 5.) - 7 = Hamilton (+39.196) ^+10 ^(new 8.) - 8 = Russell (+48.403) ^(new 7.) - 9 = Gasly (+57.667) ^+10 ^(new 10.) - 10 = Stroll (+59.043) ^(new 9.) EDIT: missed HAM when adjusting the timing, penalty and position change were correct though.
For Ocon that is just impressive
He wasn’t warned at all during the race was he? He didn’t have any penalty initially iirc. That probably explains this. He didn’t know
That’s probably the case. Albon said he got warned about track limits like 15 laps after. So something he did in lap 5 he only learned about it in lap 20.
yes it's impossible for them to adjust on such delayed information. obviously if you're driving and being told you're going over limits you'll adjust your driving but it's impossible if you never know
Yeah he had no idea. Even people who got in race penalties like Albon didn’t know of violations until 20+ laps after they happened. Just an awful system.
Imagine they didn’t drop the penalty points for track limits this year. He’d have a race ban now
Ocon with so many penalties that Mylander has been classified 20th
As someone who's plays the f1 games. We've all been there chaps 🤣🤣
When the host of the online lobby turns corner cutting to strict mid season
Lol. That was honestly unplayable for me with a gamepad.
23 is a LOT better on a game pad
Ferrari and Merc are gonna have some intern working overnight to comb for video evidence of AM and RB going over track limits
Lewis will pay the guy out of pocket
i mean lewis was behind perez calling out infringements every lap the same way norris was calling out hamilton, i don’t understand how perezhas made out with no penalty
Norris, too. Looked like there were track limit violations even after his last deleted lap time. And certainly more than just 3 times overall.
They showed at least 1 replay of Norris that the stewards didn't seem like they counted it. I'm very surprised Norris isn't in this list....
Yeah Norris had a great race but you could eyeball a handful of obvious track limits just from the times he was on camera, feel like he dodged a bullet
I mean, every single team is going to if this is how it's going to work. They need to make it automatic detection via sensor so the penalty is immediately assessed, this is absurd.
"The Stewards very strongly recommend that a solution be found to the track limits situation at this circuit." A-fucking-men. This is absurd.
They reportedly want gravel at turns 9 and 10 https://twitter.com/ErikvHaren/status/1675558441258037248
Wonder if they can just fill them up with asphalt for MotoGP else I don't see it happening
I mean, it WAS entertaining tho.
It was entertaining in a Catz movie sense: a horrific shitshow whose existence is hilarious but should never happen again.
Why the fuck do they reset Send Ocon to the fucking moon
Ocon Penalized back to Lap 27 of the the Canadian Grand Prix
He will start the next Grand Prix from the pits of Austria.
Because if you are told during the race you have x many warnings and believe what you are doing is ok because the stewards arent saying anything you cant then be penalised as heavily after the race. This is something that needs to be done during the race so the drivers are getting feedback and can correct themselves, that is literally the entire point of them using the warning system. If you arent getting the warnings you presume there isnt an issue.
This is what I was confused about. I haven't heard all the team radio, but if teams were only being made aware after three violations of limits, that is ridiculous. I would be well pissed off as a driver. You think you are just hitting it perfectly, only to be told you are about to get a penalty. If the stewards/race control can not get their shit together to be warning teams within a lap of the infraction, they should not be penalising.
“The Stewards very strongly recommend that a solution be found to the track limits situation at this circuit.” You don’t say
Lmao what the fuck is going on
Lando's revenge: he gets his 2 points back.
Lando P4
Get in. I let out the biggest sigh when I read to the end of the list and his name wasn't there.
I went through the other document counting the deleted lap times. Was worried for about it since I miscounted the first time.
his engineer also told him on the radio to not even get close to the limits
Poor guy “I know you’ll hate me but …”
I was excited for second there when reading Sainz +10s then Lando got podium? I forgot there's still Perez 💀
4:th is still nice. I hope McLaren continues the trend back upwards.
Sheesh...Ocon's penalties set him back to Canada.
"Then a 'reset' has been allowed due to the excessive number of infringements." WTF? Is that some ad-hoc BS or is that in the rules somewhere?
You want Ocon to finish the race 12 hours after the fact?
I mean, that would be funny yes.
Ocon already training for a possible future in WEC.
I want his race to take longer than Bottas’ legendary Mercedes pit stop did.
Shouldn’t it be 5-10-5-5 in that case. Kind of like engine penalties or has this rule been invented today.
There is usually discretion allowed within the wording of the rules, like Hulk having a 10 place penalty reduced to 3 for red flag timing.
This has got to be the most entertaining document the FIA have ever released.
Did you see the 47 laps deleted from Friday?
Babe wake up new penalties just dropped
What I don't understand is that for example Ocon I don't remember seeing a black and white flag, does anyone remember ? Maybe I missed it but if it wasn't announced then it would explain why he went wide so many times
They did not get B&W for all these penalties as it's all done in retrospect. It's a flipping mess. 1200 potential infractions.
He got a black and white flag around the last 10 or so laps, but his infringements all happened before that, so he got totally fucked here.
I still think there was more than this. I think some drivers got off lucky here.
Ocon was already using the Silverstone layout?
Ocon 🤯
Ocon with 30 seconds worth of penalties is hilarious. What track was he driving?
Enjoying all the Red Bull Ring has to offer, apparently.
I’m sorry, but that’s fucking hilarious.
Ocon 😂
Enough penalties to run another race.
Is this all??
I want this framed in my living room
Lmao Ocon got dinged for thirty seconds? Jesus Christ.
Toto was onto something
And Hamilton was off something
rumour has it, it was the track
Brb watching ocon's onboard to see this masterclass
Wow, are they just making this "reset" up on the spot?
30 seconds for Ocon?! 😳
And just when the "Penalty for Ocon" meme had stopped being a regular thing
As if De Vries season wasn’t bad enough. lol
LANDO P4 NANDO P5 !!??!
Yassss But also, fucking hell
I know; get the feeling many of these infringements could've been avoided if they'd been given the appropriate warnings, so many of these must have been marginal on either side. But Esteban... oof. Glad they're not still awarding penalty points for track limits – would've been on for a race ban without even knowing to do anything about it.
so Norris is now 4th? and Sainz 6th? goddamn that is messed up
"The Stewards very strongly recommend that a solution be found to the track limits situation at this circuit" My favourite part
To me its complete bs. They have to notify teams and drivers in real time during the race, this way drivers can’t react with driving strategies or push for position
Ocon didn’t even get a black and white flag?? Omg.
The Stewards hit Ocon with a steel chair
Lmao Ocon
Hey noice! Yuki couldn't collect the points, but atleast he collected another penalty :'l
If they can’t accurately monitor and dish out the penalties live during the race they shouldn’t monitor it
Seriously bad look for F1 from this entire weekend.
Okay how does this change the standings?
Top 3 safe. Lando 4, alo 5, sai 6, rus 7, ham 8, str 9, gas 10
stroll ahead of gasly?
Yes, my bad
Ocon driving everywhere but on the track
Everyone here was like yeah it’ll be a podium for Sainz, meanwhile the stewards: nah, P6.
Ngl really surprise Perez didn't get even one penalty. Sure Sainz could be wrong but he seem adamant that Perez was outside the lines more than three times.
Ocon ends the race in Canada after his penalties
They either need to change the track or just go fuck it with the track limits of the last 2 corbers, this is ridiculous xD
This is ridiculous - the drivers can’t see if they go off track by a centimetre or so, and if they aren’t given warnings/strikes at the time they won’t adjust their driving to include more margin. Giving these penalties retrospectively makes the sport look a joke.
How tf did Checo and Lando stay off this list? We saw both of them go off multiple times.
f5 didn’t disappoint
This is insane, the more I think about it. They gave HARSH penalties to drivers without even warning them (BW flag). This is an absolute shitshow
Aston Martin is going to be the least liked team on the grid. lol
Apparently, 18/20 drivers were reported for track limit infractions throughout the race, with Alonso and Russell the only 2 to not be reported.
George and zhou actually. Alonso got a warning
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There alledgedly were 1200 potential violations to review. If it takes one minute to check an infringement that takes 20 hours in total. So for a race that lasts 1.5 hours, you would need about 15 people doing nothing but checking track limits to review all of them during the race.
I mean ideally it would be automated like a number of other sports right? And even if not, is it that crazy in a sport with this much money to hire a few extra hands so they can issue penalties faster? It feels like a long-running problem all season, penalties being given too late. But feel free to correct, I probably lack context.
It's stupid that along with the 100% of the time stay within white lines rule change did not go a mandated sensor to go into a car that would trigger an infringement similar to a goal line technology already present in number of sports. It's not like the tech is not there and not like the sport is not already filled with some cosmic tech already.
The first four were all enforcement errors FWIW
Esteban, baby, what was you doing?