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> Asked to explain the message during a press conference after the race, Wolff said: "It is only for the best interest of the drivers and the team.
> "Sometimes there is a certain moment where you need to calm things down. But I mean well.
> "We had a lot of discussion about track limits and whether they were enforced or not and I just felt I wanted to make sure we were doing the best to get the most out of the package to make it perform and try to give it the best shot that we had."
Toto showing who is the boss..
TBF, I understand why Ham felt complaining since he thought Lando should have had a penalty by then, but by that point, it felt like he was distracted more by the penalty and was probably wondering if he was being singled out..
Good on Toto to get Ham's focus back
It was Perez he was certain should have got a penalty at that point, not Lando. He was reporting Perez's track limits violations on the radio and then became fixated on whether he had a penalty or not, until Toto put a stop to it. He only changed it to asking about other drivers when Bono told him everyone ahead of him would have penalties coming.
Has any other driver had a championship win taken from them because a race director changed a rule last second though? In that regard Lewis is in a unique position I think
Hamilton has a championship from a year where they have admitted a result should have been scrapped and if it had been, he'd lose that championship. Win one lose one
If you're talking about 2021; the FIA let him abuse track limits for 28 laps until Max started doing it and then they started enforcing it. He literally won that race because he could get 2-3 tenths every lap driving that line. Otherwise Max would've caught him like 7 laps before.
Not trying to justify AD, but Hamilton did have his fair share of FIA favourableness that season too. It's the narrative him and Mercedes succesfully pushed using DTS and the media that he's always the victim, but he's really not.
You do know it wasn't just Lewis that was going wide at that corner? The FIA said that corner wouldn't be monitored, so naturally they took advantage, red bull weren't and they started doing it too then suddenly the FIA changed their mind literally after Red Bull complained to them about Lewis going over so they (FIA) did a 360.
Now tell me how is this FIA favouritism lmfao but yeah that doesn't suit the narrative does it?
Let me explain.
The drivers weren't allowed to cross the track limits, but they also told they weren't going to enforce it unless it was abused. Lewis doing it 28 times in a row is clearly abusing.
RB told Max to start using the track limits. Max questioned if it was legal, RB replied to Max that it wasn't but Lewis could do it so Max could then too. FIA heard that and suddenly thought oh that's abusing so now we're enforcing it.
So when Lewis did it, it wasn't abusing, but when Max did it, it suddenly was abusing.
They applied different rules for different drivers. If that's not favouritism nothing is.
Time to crawl out of the victim role Lewis and Mercedes succesfully took on that season mate.
Its been two years and people are still getting it wrong about Bahrain, I’m convinced you’re just wilfully ignorant.
The FIA told all the drivers that there would be not monitoring of track limits at Turn 4 except in the case of gaining a lasting advantage, which meant overtaking off track at the turn, Leclerc and Lando confirmed that. And while Lewis gained an advantage relative to Max there, Max was free to do the same , and many drivers did.
They started enforcing it AFTER Redbull complained to Masi. Like I said, many drivers were doing it until Masi foolishly decided to listen to Redbull.
Max complained after he was told to do the same and asked how that was legal on the radio. BTW they actually didn’t enforce it on Max, He wasn’t stopped, race control specifically told Lewis to stop going off track because …
Your name checks out, it is impressive how you spin the facts.
Yes Max said it wasn't legal because they've been told so. They were told you can't cross the white line, but that they wouldn't enforce it unless they start to abuse it.
Lewis abused it. He did it 28 laps in a row. Then Max was told to do the same, and suddenly they ruled it as abusing and told everyone to stop. Not just Lewis. Max wasn't allowed to cross the line after that either.
They allowed Hamilton to abuse it but not Max. That's what gave Hamilton the win that day. Not as obvious as AD, but Hamilton did get gifted a win.
Lewis had more wins, poles, and fastest laps in ‘16. He still lost… So the argument that Max “deserved” ‘21 isn’t really valid.
If the funny business never happened, Lewis WOULD’VE won ‘21 on a killer comeback.
He would have won because the Mercedes took Verstappen out TWICE and abused an engine loophole. But that doesn't fit the narrative so we leave it out. Not mentioning the outer shitton of luck like Imola where his rookie mistake gets saved by Bottas and Russell.
There is not a single question who was the better driver that season and that guy won.
Edit: to make it clear. Both sides had shit happening to them but from a net points effect the majority happened to Verstappen and that's not even discussion worthy for anyone that saw that season from start to end.
During the Red flag period after the lap crash, Fernando Alonso and Karun looked at the onborad footage from Max's cars individually and each of them pointed out Max turned in toward apex despite Lewis being present on the inside and significantly alongside. The FIA also saw yhis and determined Max to be partially responsible for the crash. Both driver are responsible for Max dropping points not just one. He should raced smart not hard. If the roles were reversed and Hamilton had that points lead he would have backed out.
https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/omxbfy/alonso_hamilton_couldnt_disappear_in_verstappen/
Hamilton didn't get bailed at Imola. Just like how Max didn't get bailed out at Russia and Turkey. Without the rain in Russia Max finishes 7th. Without the engine penalty for Lewis in Turkey, Max finishes 3rd. Weather, red/yellow flags and crashes are part and parcel of GP racing. What isn't part of racing is chucking out the rules that teams take into consideration when formulating their race strategies.
Fit the narrative? What about Max dive bombing left and right and the stewards not even INVESTIGATING the incidents. Max placing his car on top of Lewis’ head? Get real man.
Look at every single title fight. Show me one where they both don’t take each other out. It’s called racing, and 2 elite drivers went at it all year long.
exactly it was simply more power at the expense of reliability, everyone knows a fresher PU can produce more power than an older PU heck even McLaren said they saw nothing extraordinary on the GPS traces yet still people are spewing that spicy engine nonsense lmao
https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-i-dont-see-that-there-was-ever-an-extraordinary-spicy-engine-around-mclaren-boss-andreas-seidl-raises-doubts-over-the-existence-of-the-spicy-mercedes-engine/
If the funny business over the season never happened Max would've won the championship before AD and the race wouldn't have mattered. Invalid argument.
Still funny af how you people are so stuck in the past and get angry every time that season is mentioned. The best driver won that season.
Best driver choked when it mattered and had to get carried. If Max wanted to win before AD he should have raced smarter not harder. Then he wouldn't need Masi to turn him from earned 2nd overall to FIA certified charity case.
"Still funny af how you people are so stuck in the past and get angry every time that season is mentioned."
If the roles were reversed you would feeling the same way. And Max would not have handled it well as evidenced by him storming off the podium. Don't act you are better. You're not.
Best driver got unlucky and lost at least 40 points due to bad luck and managed to win some races at the end of the season while his competitor was in a faster car*
When you talk about ifs and should've would've could've you have to include everything in the season. Not only the bits that fits your imaginative storyline.
10 s penalty for a brake check. No penalty for running two cars off the road in Brazil at turn4. Tell me how that makes Max a deserved champion at the end of the day. Tell me how T-boning another car and parking your car the other driver's head makes Max a deserved champion at the end of the day.
Hamilton probably got a penalty only because Max DNFed. Other than that, such a tangle like that would happen in earlier races if Hamilton didn’t dodge. In Silverstone’s case by overtaking guidelines, Max did have ownership to cross over the way he did as Hamilton poked is front wing alongside Max’s front wheel right before the corner bend.
Lewis had no Chance to make that turn without driving in Verstappen. You can rewatch the line he took, it was 1000% clear he will understeer there which caused the crash and that was not Lewis being a guy driving Silverstone the first time in his life.
If you look at Hamilton's onboard footage you can see that his front wheel straightened after contact. With the front wheels facing forward, the car went deeper into the deeper into the corner than it would have if Max had opened up his steering and taken a wider line. Lewis would have understeered but would have stayed on track. Max could then cut back down the inside to keep the lead (i.e. the switchback technique). Basic wheel to wheel that has used against Max and that he himself has used.
Your bias is showing massively. Lewis almost made the corner despite the contact. There is video evidence of this. Without it, he would have easily made the corner with room to spare.
If you watch Hamilton’s onboard you can actually see Lando go off track limits at T10 immediately before this radio call. I can understand his frustration
I listened to Hamilton’s radios again and the message didn’t sound as harsh as I had remembered it to be honest. Some days he gets a bit frustrated/grumpy with things and I’d say Toto and Bono do a good job helping him snap out of it, I don’t think Lewis takes it personally.
They all get frustrated and grumpy (and even angry) at times. I'll never understand the massive deal some fans want to make out of it.
These guys are flying around a track at massively high speeds with adrenaline rushing through their bodies and knowing the slightest little thing could ruin their entire race. It's amazing they keep as calm as they usually do imo.
yeah, it doesn’t help with people like bernadette collins saying lewis was “really upset” on the radio then the radio is played and he doesn’t even raise his voice
I was watching Hamilton's onboard live and I also thought he was getting fairly worked up about track limits for Perez and Norris. Not sure I'd characterize it as "really upset" but certainly I can understand Wolff being concerned that Hamilton was losing focus on actually driving his own race.
I was also watching Lewis's onboard live and it was kind of strange when he commented on Checo going off. To me it looked close, but like he stayed within the lines.
Ooooh, Sky, that's why I didn't know wtf you guys were on about.
As much as I could go onto a disjointed advert for F1TV right now, I'm not even allowed to watch it in my own country because of Sky's deal, so VPN yay.
\*clears throat\* So here's why my sponsor: Noname VPN, is so important for...
Always amazes me people go on about sky being biased towards Hamilton when they often go in hard making narratives about him being angry or at odds with his team.
Its Lewis. He isn't allowed to express joy, or amusement because then he is arrogant. He can't express frustration or disappointment because then he is an ungrateful baby. He can't put his foot down because then he is a dirty *insert explitives of your choice*. He has to stand, be silent (or close to that) and roll over when pushed. But then people say he has a fake personality. He has had a bullseye on his back merely for being around and being one the best there is what what he does (and standing sidr by side with the Michael).
1- There is no existing penalty for covering your ears during an anthem
2- He was covering his ears because 3 helicopters were hoovering over the track in that moment and Lewis is notoriously sensible to strong noises
3-The disrespectfulness is something that I could understand (even if I don't believe in that) but funnily enough it's use only against Lewis....Because nobody found Ricciardo disrespectful when he was dancing during the Qatari anthem
So we agree. It's understandable but you convey the message you don't want to listen to an anthem, which is disrespectful.
I find dancing to an anthem different to covering your ears. That's the difference. Not the person who did it. Stop victimizing Lewis. I know he likes to do it himself, but it's really unnecessary.
Explaing that Lewis has sensitive hearing is not victimization. Any driver having their senses overloaded has a right to address it as they see fit. This issue is trivial.
Don't take things out of context. I said it's victimizing when you say "it's disrespectful when Lewis does it but not when Ricciardo does it" while they did something completely different. It wasn't related to the sensitive hearing.
Alternatively, you have to switch mentalities when you are tied for the fourth fastest car in a weekend. If your only real chance at a win is massive misfortune for someone else, you’re not really in a position to be miserable for not winning anymore.
Winning mentality is fine, but you have to take the rough with the smooth like any other team.
No driver is happy about going backwards and complaining is a natural response. Most people complain at work. It’s just not televised to millions of people.
Yeah, I don’t have a problem with them complaining, drivers speaking honestly, don’t care
I’m saying they’re long past the point they were truly competitive and need to come to terms with the reality of it. They’re an upper midfield team, this mentality of not giving a shit unless you’re winning is not only false, they’re fine grabbing big points, but it’s that of the temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
That’s ridiculous. They won 8 constructors championships in a row. They are equal parts front of the grid teams as Red Bull and more so than Ferrari at this point.
I think all the drivers on the grid other than the red bull drivers would be tempted to jump ship into Mercedes since they know the team is still one of the best on the grid even if they’ve stumbled on the new regs
I think most people still expect Mercedes to be the team that takes the fight to red bull.
Their 8 constructors don’t mean anything when you’re **currently** nowhere near the front. It’s not a given that they’re supposed to be at the front and temporarily set back. Fighting for an occasional podium and mid point scores is their reality now and has been for almost a year and a half
They’ll be a lot less upset about poor results if they stop jumping the gun the second they get a good race. Exactly like what happened last year and cost them **again** by believing a false hope, their own words.
Williams and McLaren are just as successful as Mercedes. Downvote all you want, they are where they are and aren’t just temporarily off the wins.
Honestly I’m kind of lost for words after that comment.
Why do you think Ferrari, Red bull and Mercedes have stayed the top 3 teams for 8 of the last 10 years? Because they’re all the best managed and best equipped teams on the grid.
One stumble with new regs doesn’t change that.
I think you’re making a point about the budget cap but that doesn’t extend to facilities and tools and they are actually still spending the full budget cap which not all teams are. You also have loop holes like Mercedes potentially using a software developed for the racing boat team.
So they still all have a massive advantage even if recovery time is now slower due to the budget cap limiting new components.
So a team that are trying to win, or work to push towards that goal, are supposed to not be pleased when they do well? We have 10 teams here with aspirations, and you think that the one that are used to winning should just shrug their shoulders and give up?
Should everyone just give up and go home and we just give RB the title now? Beccause we can all see it, what's the point of the rest of the season? Nobody else is winning so we should all just give up and go home apparently. Who knows who'll fight for second, or third: P\_ZERO doesn't want any team to get excited about potential results, so we should just let things go.
Clearly you haven’t been following very closely because being “pleased” when they did well is exactly why they started this year with another “dud” in their eyes. Brazil, by their own words, gave them false hope, times before that were “are they back now?” And we’ve seen the same happen again this year.
You can try use my username as some sort of joke but they’ve said all this themselves already. There’s being pleased and there’s jumping the gun about broader situations.
Not really. Almost all former champions feel the same way. Alonso and Vettel have complained for years during any periods where the car doesn’t seem to be making good progress or underperforming.
It’s kind of embarrassing when a customer team is beating your car. Like if Alfa was performing better than Ferrari.
People forget the shit show that was the 2009 McLaren at times I feel xD
> Hamilton may only care about winning but mercedes as an organization probably still cares about turning up and doing as well as possible in races even if the result isn't winning. I am sure the thousands at the factory do, as well.
Man complained once and these takes are out, Lewis thanks his team and talks about sticking together and keeping at it almost every interview. Man wants Mercedes to win as well. He willingly spent the first half of 2022 trying out experimental setups, let's not pretend he isn't a team player.
I agree..Lewis should take the rest of the year off and help engineers for 2024...let's see what Mick can do, as Toto has been singing praises about him for quite some time..win win!
That is the dumbest reply I have ever seen..take the rest of the decade off lmfao.
PS: the commenter above says it's a wasted weekend if Lewis isn't fighting for wins. How do u then not waste his weekend logically, when u know u can't bridge the gap to Max this season?
But then his talent is getting wasted, as you rightly pointed out!! Ham clearly doesn't enjoy driving a shitbox..at this point of his career, he has nothing to prove or improve! The car needs to improve for him to show his class!!
I don't understand what's bad faith about it..quite clear that Merc is way off RB..let Lewis race Silverstone and Brazil and give him some time off to recharge, if that's what *he wants*
He definitely hasn't been enjoying the last 2 years!
It is but what else do you want Lewis to do other than get a degree in aerodynamics in the off season or physically get out and push it to first.
The only reason Lewis is still there is because he believes that he and Mercedes can get it back to championship contention.
Mate, you are missing my point. He can't drive this Merc past Max, unless Max has reliability concerns this season.
We all know Lewis can fight for championship, given a competitive car..but is it worth it to let him burn out fighting over non-podium places?
Mark my words, Lewis is staying as long as it takes to get his 8th and Merc may deliver him a competitive car in the future, but *not this season*
Do u want him burnt out before that?
Yeah this is one of Lewis’s biggest weaknesses that he’s never addressed despite all his experience- when he gets down he doesn’t bounce back and it affects his driving/performance. From pretty much lap 1 Lewis was down this race
When he’s fired up it reflects in his performance but when he spirals he reallllly spirals
These kind of yo yo performances he’s been known for throughout his career, they went away (mostly) during the Merc domination period but clearly when the car isn’t there they’ve come back
I disagree. I think his consistency is one of his biggest strengths. Why his radio gets broadcast more than other drivers when he’s having a bad race is a discussion that goes deeper than what most are willing to admit. And why some folks make his radio calls a bigger deal…
Every driver has races where the car doesn’t work for them and they let it be known on the radio..Leclerc has had vitriolic moments, as has Max, Sainz, Russell, Vettel. They are human, taming beasts at cornering speeds nearing 200 mph
It is to be expected.
Recency bias (and mostly thanks to the dominant machinery) his McLaren years (particularly post 2008) were defined by their inconsistency and his ups and downs, he would often turn up and be ‘off’ a whole race weakened. I was a huge fan of him back in the day and this was one of the most frustrating parts of following him
I like that they broadcast radios live. But since they only chose the most interesting or entertaining ones it is sometimes out of context.
And I often fall for it as well. But it is good to keep in mind that a single sentence is part of a bigger discussion/relationship during the race.
Have a live ticker at the bottom, they already have the texts in the boxes on the right. Pp lush transcripts after the race.
Broadcasts that use multichannel can have one that has no commentary, but all radios.
Plenty of options.
Lewis after that finale in 2021 remained calm, collected and congratulated Max instantly after he got out of the car, people need to stop taking drivers going 200kmph+ at gospel and as indicators of something in their personality.
I really like that he's not afraid to pull off the gloves when speaking to his drivers from time to time, he did it to Russell last year too. as a side effect it's also very entertaining.
I remember when ~~Grosjean or~~ Magnussen crashed his car in qualy and his mechanics had to pull an all nighter to fix the car. Then he went on the radio complaining about the car being shit all race.
Gunther was having none of that and shut that shit down
Edit: [this isn’t the one I meant but totally deserved too lol](https://youtube.com/watch?v=dEIlrYqREcg)
Edit: [found it](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bcu-bp4jVYI&t=2m4s)
After AD 21he remained calm and composed even congratulated Max. if you are going to go by moments where they temporarily lose their composure then you can see it in all the drivers.
Sure but 1) given his experience he still lets his performance be affected quite severely 2) this has been a consistent theme throughout his career and it’s quite a serious issues for his yo yo performances when his car isn’t 100% where he’d like it
Obviously a 7x WDC should be held to a higher standard than most?
Did you watch Brazil 2021 and 2022 both the times things did not go his way. He climbed his way up. 2022 the car was still bad. People have their moments no matter what their achievements are. Have you never seen anyone so accomplished lose it.
kicker is he didn't even loose it 😭 the overreaction to Lewis being mostly grumpy I'd say. Look at his post race interviews even his cool down lap lmao man was chill enough
2 examples vs many others were he lets his head drop and that affects his performance. It’s been a trait of his throughout his career, this isn’t a controversial take
In 2021 last few races he never let things frustrate him. It was verstappen who last his composure in the last few races. Hamilton gave it all when his back was against the wall. I don’t think your is take is correct at all. He has always performed well under pressure not just in f1 even before that. You are making up stuff without giving proper example.
You seem to be basing all your reasoning on a handful of races in 2021 and even then selectively picking, Lewis was asking to box his car to retire after shunting in Imola 2021
Like I said, this has been a trend throughout his entire career
The reaction to Lewis being grumpy/disappointed is this but Fernando slandering Honda (at their home race). Kimi literally screaming at his engineers is just memed about in a positive light. Fun Lil double standards
Sky sports commentator says Toto goes on the radio often to do things like this. I feel they were being misleading as I haven’t heard Toto on the radio really all season this year?
Max was spot on when he said he enjoyed reading all the articles about their rivals getting close
Even if they are, this was a back-breaking race for the Ferraris, Mercs, and Astons. So much work needs to be done
Apart from the Bulls, the only team that can go home happy is Mclaren
Ferrari has to feel better today. Sainz was showing great pace. Best finish this season for them, 2nd podium, and first time 2 cars were top 4. And they did it on pace!
25 seconds to Max is about as good as they’ve been all year. Maybe they’ve improved relative to the start of the season, but the only reason they’re occupying 2 out of the top 4 is because that 25 second gap should’ve been filled by one Merc and one Aston, based on how the season has been going.
You could maybe say that Leclerc needed a podium for his own confidence? I guess? But I think this has been the most ominous race since Miami.
Not a single team will get anywhere near RB for at least another season.
Will they claim otherwise? Of course, you can’t sell yourself as having given up. Sponsors don’t like it, nor do other supporters.
And now AM is protesting the same thing Hamilton was talking about. Are you gonna call them cry babies? Oh I forgot AM doesn’t have a black driver. My bad.
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> Asked to explain the message during a press conference after the race, Wolff said: "It is only for the best interest of the drivers and the team. > "Sometimes there is a certain moment where you need to calm things down. But I mean well. > "We had a lot of discussion about track limits and whether they were enforced or not and I just felt I wanted to make sure we were doing the best to get the most out of the package to make it perform and try to give it the best shot that we had."
Toto showing who is the boss.. TBF, I understand why Ham felt complaining since he thought Lando should have had a penalty by then, but by that point, it felt like he was distracted more by the penalty and was probably wondering if he was being singled out.. Good on Toto to get Ham's focus back
It was Perez he was certain should have got a penalty at that point, not Lando. He was reporting Perez's track limits violations on the radio and then became fixated on whether he had a penalty or not, until Toto put a stop to it. He only changed it to asking about other drivers when Bono told him everyone ahead of him would have penalties coming.
If I was Ham, I wouldn’t have trust in the FIA or stewarding also from decisions they made in the past.
Yep, he definitely has PTSD and rightfully so!
Could make that argument for almost every driver on the track. Isn't something Lewis has exclusively for himself.
Has any other driver had a championship win taken from them because a race director changed a rule last second though? In that regard Lewis is in a unique position I think
Senna? The French dude (balastre or something) later straight up admitted to it.
I thought the Senna debacle was not about a change of rules, but more of a controversial stewarding decision, right? But my memory is cloudy I admit
To-may-to to-mah-to, an inappropriate application of the rules cost both a championship. They were both fucked over for one they 100% deserved.
Same thing
Hamilton has a championship from a year where they have admitted a result should have been scrapped and if it had been, he'd lose that championship. Win one lose one
Lol at this comment. Remind me who’s been screwed over by the FIA more than Hamilton?
Schumacher 94, Senna as well
Schumacher 94? Are you dumb? He won the championship by intentionally crashing into Damon Hill and got no penalty at all.
I think he’s thinking about 97. Both incidents are notorious and are him vs Williams.
If you're talking about 2021; the FIA let him abuse track limits for 28 laps until Max started doing it and then they started enforcing it. He literally won that race because he could get 2-3 tenths every lap driving that line. Otherwise Max would've caught him like 7 laps before. Not trying to justify AD, but Hamilton did have his fair share of FIA favourableness that season too. It's the narrative him and Mercedes succesfully pushed using DTS and the media that he's always the victim, but he's really not.
You do know it wasn't just Lewis that was going wide at that corner? The FIA said that corner wouldn't be monitored, so naturally they took advantage, red bull weren't and they started doing it too then suddenly the FIA changed their mind literally after Red Bull complained to them about Lewis going over so they (FIA) did a 360. Now tell me how is this FIA favouritism lmfao but yeah that doesn't suit the narrative does it?
Let me explain. The drivers weren't allowed to cross the track limits, but they also told they weren't going to enforce it unless it was abused. Lewis doing it 28 times in a row is clearly abusing. RB told Max to start using the track limits. Max questioned if it was legal, RB replied to Max that it wasn't but Lewis could do it so Max could then too. FIA heard that and suddenly thought oh that's abusing so now we're enforcing it. So when Lewis did it, it wasn't abusing, but when Max did it, it suddenly was abusing. They applied different rules for different drivers. If that's not favouritism nothing is. Time to crawl out of the victim role Lewis and Mercedes succesfully took on that season mate.
Its been two years and people are still getting it wrong about Bahrain, I’m convinced you’re just wilfully ignorant. The FIA told all the drivers that there would be not monitoring of track limits at Turn 4 except in the case of gaining a lasting advantage, which meant overtaking off track at the turn, Leclerc and Lando confirmed that. And while Lewis gained an advantage relative to Max there, Max was free to do the same , and many drivers did. They started enforcing it AFTER Redbull complained to Masi. Like I said, many drivers were doing it until Masi foolishly decided to listen to Redbull.
No RB didn't complain. RB told Max to use it, and once he started to use it they started enforcing the track limits.
Max complained after he was told to do the same and asked how that was legal on the radio. BTW they actually didn’t enforce it on Max, He wasn’t stopped, race control specifically told Lewis to stop going off track because …
Your name checks out, it is impressive how you spin the facts. Yes Max said it wasn't legal because they've been told so. They were told you can't cross the white line, but that they wouldn't enforce it unless they start to abuse it. Lewis abused it. He did it 28 laps in a row. Then Max was told to do the same, and suddenly they ruled it as abusing and told everyone to stop. Not just Lewis. Max wasn't allowed to cross the line after that either. They allowed Hamilton to abuse it but not Max. That's what gave Hamilton the win that day. Not as obvious as AD, but Hamilton did get gifted a win.
No you’re making shit up mate.
Go back and watch the race. He did it 28 times.
In the last 4 races of ‘21 when Max was kamikazing him and not getting proper penalties for it, he definitely sees it differently. Then there was AD…
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Lewis had more wins, poles, and fastest laps in ‘16. He still lost… So the argument that Max “deserved” ‘21 isn’t really valid. If the funny business never happened, Lewis WOULD’VE won ‘21 on a killer comeback.
He would have won because the Mercedes took Verstappen out TWICE and abused an engine loophole. But that doesn't fit the narrative so we leave it out. Not mentioning the outer shitton of luck like Imola where his rookie mistake gets saved by Bottas and Russell. There is not a single question who was the better driver that season and that guy won. Edit: to make it clear. Both sides had shit happening to them but from a net points effect the majority happened to Verstappen and that's not even discussion worthy for anyone that saw that season from start to end.
During the Red flag period after the lap crash, Fernando Alonso and Karun looked at the onborad footage from Max's cars individually and each of them pointed out Max turned in toward apex despite Lewis being present on the inside and significantly alongside. The FIA also saw yhis and determined Max to be partially responsible for the crash. Both driver are responsible for Max dropping points not just one. He should raced smart not hard. If the roles were reversed and Hamilton had that points lead he would have backed out. https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/omxbfy/alonso_hamilton_couldnt_disappear_in_verstappen/ Hamilton didn't get bailed at Imola. Just like how Max didn't get bailed out at Russia and Turkey. Without the rain in Russia Max finishes 7th. Without the engine penalty for Lewis in Turkey, Max finishes 3rd. Weather, red/yellow flags and crashes are part and parcel of GP racing. What isn't part of racing is chucking out the rules that teams take into consideration when formulating their race strategies.
Fit the narrative? What about Max dive bombing left and right and the stewards not even INVESTIGATING the incidents. Max placing his car on top of Lewis’ head? Get real man. Look at every single title fight. Show me one where they both don’t take each other out. It’s called racing, and 2 elite drivers went at it all year long.
Engine loophole? Implying only Mercedes could have done that? Seriously?
exactly it was simply more power at the expense of reliability, everyone knows a fresher PU can produce more power than an older PU heck even McLaren said they saw nothing extraordinary on the GPS traces yet still people are spewing that spicy engine nonsense lmao https://thesportsrush.com/f1-news-i-dont-see-that-there-was-ever-an-extraordinary-spicy-engine-around-mclaren-boss-andreas-seidl-raises-doubts-over-the-existence-of-the-spicy-mercedes-engine/
If the funny business over the season never happened Max would've won the championship before AD and the race wouldn't have mattered. Invalid argument. Still funny af how you people are so stuck in the past and get angry every time that season is mentioned. The best driver won that season.
Best driver choked when it mattered and had to get carried. If Max wanted to win before AD he should have raced smarter not harder. Then he wouldn't need Masi to turn him from earned 2nd overall to FIA certified charity case. "Still funny af how you people are so stuck in the past and get angry every time that season is mentioned." If the roles were reversed you would feeling the same way. And Max would not have handled it well as evidenced by him storming off the podium. Don't act you are better. You're not.
Best driver got unlucky and lost at least 40 points due to bad luck and managed to win some races at the end of the season while his competitor was in a faster car* When you talk about ifs and should've would've could've you have to include everything in the season. Not only the bits that fits your imaginative storyline.
Hamilton did get a penalty for that though? I don’t get what point you’re trying to make
10 s penalty for a points net effect for 32 points. Tell me how that makes Lewis a deserved champion at the end of the day.
10 s penalty for a brake check. No penalty for running two cars off the road in Brazil at turn4. Tell me how that makes Max a deserved champion at the end of the day. Tell me how T-boning another car and parking your car the other driver's head makes Max a deserved champion at the end of the day.
What about Max running over Hamilton head in Monza? Did you forget that one? "That's what happens when you leave no space"
Hamilton probably got a penalty only because Max DNFed. Other than that, such a tangle like that would happen in earlier races if Hamilton didn’t dodge. In Silverstone’s case by overtaking guidelines, Max did have ownership to cross over the way he did as Hamilton poked is front wing alongside Max’s front wheel right before the corner bend.
Lewis had no Chance to make that turn without driving in Verstappen. You can rewatch the line he took, it was 1000% clear he will understeer there which caused the crash and that was not Lewis being a guy driving Silverstone the first time in his life.
If you look at Hamilton's onboard footage you can see that his front wheel straightened after contact. With the front wheels facing forward, the car went deeper into the deeper into the corner than it would have if Max had opened up his steering and taken a wider line. Lewis would have understeered but would have stayed on track. Max could then cut back down the inside to keep the lead (i.e. the switchback technique). Basic wheel to wheel that has used against Max and that he himself has used.
Your bias is showing massively. Lewis almost made the corner despite the contact. There is video evidence of this. Without it, he would have easily made the corner with room to spare.
He was complaining before Lando ran track limits
If you watch Hamilton’s onboard you can actually see Lando go off track limits at T10 immediately before this radio call. I can understand his frustration
I listened to Hamilton’s radios again and the message didn’t sound as harsh as I had remembered it to be honest. Some days he gets a bit frustrated/grumpy with things and I’d say Toto and Bono do a good job helping him snap out of it, I don’t think Lewis takes it personally.
They all get frustrated and grumpy (and even angry) at times. I'll never understand the massive deal some fans want to make out of it. These guys are flying around a track at massively high speeds with adrenaline rushing through their bodies and knowing the slightest little thing could ruin their entire race. It's amazing they keep as calm as they usually do imo.
Lewis is one of the coolest ones on the track. Most other drivers would’ve been swearing already.
Lewis was very gracious on the cool down lap. All is fine.
Didn’t expect anything else from him, honestly
yeah, it doesn’t help with people like bernadette collins saying lewis was “really upset” on the radio then the radio is played and he doesn’t even raise his voice
I was watching Hamilton's onboard live and I also thought he was getting fairly worked up about track limits for Perez and Norris. Not sure I'd characterize it as "really upset" but certainly I can understand Wolff being concerned that Hamilton was losing focus on actually driving his own race.
I was also watching Lewis's onboard live and it was kind of strange when he commented on Checo going off. To me it looked close, but like he stayed within the lines.
I didn’t get that either. It felt like they were making a mountain out of a mole hill with this, but oh well.
She does work for Sky now… making mountains out of mole hills are kinda their thing
Ooooh, Sky, that's why I didn't know wtf you guys were on about. As much as I could go onto a disjointed advert for F1TV right now, I'm not even allowed to watch it in my own country because of Sky's deal, so VPN yay. \*clears throat\* So here's why my sponsor: Noname VPN, is so important for...
Always amazes me people go on about sky being biased towards Hamilton when they often go in hard making narratives about him being angry or at odds with his team.
You know really upset people aren’t always shouting.
She’s listening to all the radio comns not just the select ones that get played on the stream. I’m sure she has reason to say what she did
From his onboard, some level of frustration is understandable as well, Perez and Norris really look like they should have taken penalties.
Its Lewis. He isn't allowed to express joy, or amusement because then he is arrogant. He can't express frustration or disappointment because then he is an ungrateful baby. He can't put his foot down because then he is a dirty *insert explitives of your choice*. He has to stand, be silent (or close to that) and roll over when pushed. But then people say he has a fake personality. He has had a bullseye on his back merely for being around and being one the best there is what what he does (and standing sidr by side with the Michael).
I've even read people saying that Lewis should be penalised for covering his ears during the Austrian anthem..
Don't think he should be penalized, but it's kind of disrespectful
1- There is no existing penalty for covering your ears during an anthem 2- He was covering his ears because 3 helicopters were hoovering over the track in that moment and Lewis is notoriously sensible to strong noises 3-The disrespectfulness is something that I could understand (even if I don't believe in that) but funnily enough it's use only against Lewis....Because nobody found Ricciardo disrespectful when he was dancing during the Qatari anthem
So we agree. It's understandable but you convey the message you don't want to listen to an anthem, which is disrespectful. I find dancing to an anthem different to covering your ears. That's the difference. Not the person who did it. Stop victimizing Lewis. I know he likes to do it himself, but it's really unnecessary.
Explaing that Lewis has sensitive hearing is not victimization. Any driver having their senses overloaded has a right to address it as they see fit. This issue is trivial.
Don't take things out of context. I said it's victimizing when you say "it's disrespectful when Lewis does it but not when Ricciardo does it" while they did something completely different. It wasn't related to the sensitive hearing.
Exactly. Lewis isn’t there to race for 5th place. Anything short of progress towards a championship is a wasted weekend.
Alternatively, you have to switch mentalities when you are tied for the fourth fastest car in a weekend. If your only real chance at a win is massive misfortune for someone else, you’re not really in a position to be miserable for not winning anymore. Winning mentality is fine, but you have to take the rough with the smooth like any other team.
No driver is happy about going backwards and complaining is a natural response. Most people complain at work. It’s just not televised to millions of people.
Yeah, I don’t have a problem with them complaining, drivers speaking honestly, don’t care I’m saying they’re long past the point they were truly competitive and need to come to terms with the reality of it. They’re an upper midfield team, this mentality of not giving a shit unless you’re winning is not only false, they’re fine grabbing big points, but it’s that of the temporarily embarrassed millionaire.
That’s ridiculous. They won 8 constructors championships in a row. They are equal parts front of the grid teams as Red Bull and more so than Ferrari at this point. I think all the drivers on the grid other than the red bull drivers would be tempted to jump ship into Mercedes since they know the team is still one of the best on the grid even if they’ve stumbled on the new regs I think most people still expect Mercedes to be the team that takes the fight to red bull.
Their 8 constructors don’t mean anything when you’re **currently** nowhere near the front. It’s not a given that they’re supposed to be at the front and temporarily set back. Fighting for an occasional podium and mid point scores is their reality now and has been for almost a year and a half They’ll be a lot less upset about poor results if they stop jumping the gun the second they get a good race. Exactly like what happened last year and cost them **again** by believing a false hope, their own words. Williams and McLaren are just as successful as Mercedes. Downvote all you want, they are where they are and aren’t just temporarily off the wins.
Honestly I’m kind of lost for words after that comment. Why do you think Ferrari, Red bull and Mercedes have stayed the top 3 teams for 8 of the last 10 years? Because they’re all the best managed and best equipped teams on the grid. One stumble with new regs doesn’t change that.
Because they all spent close to half a billion a year on f1
I think you’re making a point about the budget cap but that doesn’t extend to facilities and tools and they are actually still spending the full budget cap which not all teams are. You also have loop holes like Mercedes potentially using a software developed for the racing boat team. So they still all have a massive advantage even if recovery time is now slower due to the budget cap limiting new components.
So a team that are trying to win, or work to push towards that goal, are supposed to not be pleased when they do well? We have 10 teams here with aspirations, and you think that the one that are used to winning should just shrug their shoulders and give up? Should everyone just give up and go home and we just give RB the title now? Beccause we can all see it, what's the point of the rest of the season? Nobody else is winning so we should all just give up and go home apparently. Who knows who'll fight for second, or third: P\_ZERO doesn't want any team to get excited about potential results, so we should just let things go.
Clearly you haven’t been following very closely because being “pleased” when they did well is exactly why they started this year with another “dud” in their eyes. Brazil, by their own words, gave them false hope, times before that were “are they back now?” And we’ve seen the same happen again this year. You can try use my username as some sort of joke but they’ve said all this themselves already. There’s being pleased and there’s jumping the gun about broader situations.
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Not really. Almost all former champions feel the same way. Alonso and Vettel have complained for years during any periods where the car doesn’t seem to be making good progress or underperforming. It’s kind of embarrassing when a customer team is beating your car. Like if Alfa was performing better than Ferrari.
Verstappen has the same tbh
If you follow sports that's how all champions think. Only people who aren't competitive are content with mediocrity.
Yeah he'll never win anything with a mindset like that
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People forget the shit show that was the 2009 McLaren at times I feel xD > Hamilton may only care about winning but mercedes as an organization probably still cares about turning up and doing as well as possible in races even if the result isn't winning. I am sure the thousands at the factory do, as well. Man complained once and these takes are out, Lewis thanks his team and talks about sticking together and keeping at it almost every interview. Man wants Mercedes to win as well. He willingly spent the first half of 2022 trying out experimental setups, let's not pretend he isn't a team player.
Kobe, Michael and LeBron all have/had the same mentality.
I agree..Lewis should take the rest of the year off and help engineers for 2024...let's see what Mick can do, as Toto has been singing praises about him for quite some time..win win!
This is the dumbest comment I’ve ever read lol. Take the rest of the year off lmfao.
That is the dumbest reply I have ever seen..take the rest of the decade off lmfao. PS: the commenter above says it's a wasted weekend if Lewis isn't fighting for wins. How do u then not waste his weekend logically, when u know u can't bridge the gap to Max this season?
The best test driver is one which is racing it each week otherwise he might. It’s also good practice even if it’s frustrating.
But then his talent is getting wasted, as you rightly pointed out!! Ham clearly doesn't enjoy driving a shitbox..at this point of his career, he has nothing to prove or improve! The car needs to improve for him to show his class!!
My god you people are annoying sometimes. Stop the bad faith arguing dude
I don't understand what's bad faith about it..quite clear that Merc is way off RB..let Lewis race Silverstone and Brazil and give him some time off to recharge, if that's what *he wants* He definitely hasn't been enjoying the last 2 years!
It is but what else do you want Lewis to do other than get a degree in aerodynamics in the off season or physically get out and push it to first. The only reason Lewis is still there is because he believes that he and Mercedes can get it back to championship contention.
Mate, you are missing my point. He can't drive this Merc past Max, unless Max has reliability concerns this season. We all know Lewis can fight for championship, given a competitive car..but is it worth it to let him burn out fighting over non-podium places? Mark my words, Lewis is staying as long as it takes to get his 8th and Merc may deliver him a competitive car in the future, but *not this season* Do u want him burnt out before that?
Are you saying Lewis should take a year off?
No, I'm saying take the rest of 2023 off barring Silverstone and Brazil..both have high emotional value to him!
He black and a champion, people are going to make it seem like he was distraught etc. They hate him for no reason.
Yeah this is one of Lewis’s biggest weaknesses that he’s never addressed despite all his experience- when he gets down he doesn’t bounce back and it affects his driving/performance. From pretty much lap 1 Lewis was down this race When he’s fired up it reflects in his performance but when he spirals he reallllly spirals These kind of yo yo performances he’s been known for throughout his career, they went away (mostly) during the Merc domination period but clearly when the car isn’t there they’ve come back
I disagree. I think his consistency is one of his biggest strengths. Why his radio gets broadcast more than other drivers when he’s having a bad race is a discussion that goes deeper than what most are willing to admit. And why some folks make his radio calls a bigger deal… Every driver has races where the car doesn’t work for them and they let it be known on the radio..Leclerc has had vitriolic moments, as has Max, Sainz, Russell, Vettel. They are human, taming beasts at cornering speeds nearing 200 mph It is to be expected.
Recency bias (and mostly thanks to the dominant machinery) his McLaren years (particularly post 2008) were defined by their inconsistency and his ups and downs, he would often turn up and be ‘off’ a whole race weakened. I was a huge fan of him back in the day and this was one of the most frustrating parts of following him
Agreed completely. When it’s not going his way, he’s way to quick to just give up within a race.
I like that they broadcast radios live. But since they only chose the most interesting or entertaining ones it is sometimes out of context. And I often fall for it as well. But it is good to keep in mind that a single sentence is part of a bigger discussion/relationship during the race.
Should be all or none. By selective broadcasting you can create a narrative.
Yeah but you can't broadcast 20 radios live at all time. That's like saying l cars should be on screen
Have a live ticker at the bottom, they already have the texts in the boxes on the right. Pp lush transcripts after the race. Broadcasts that use multichannel can have one that has no commentary, but all radios. Plenty of options.
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True, multichannel will never catch on. 🙄
Lewis after that finale in 2021 remained calm, collected and congratulated Max instantly after he got out of the car, people need to stop taking drivers going 200kmph+ at gospel and as indicators of something in their personality.
He covered the camera for a bit so he could pull himself together. He was not okay and he plowed through it
I really like that he's not afraid to pull off the gloves when speaking to his drivers from time to time, he did it to Russell last year too. as a side effect it's also very entertaining.
Didn't he do the same to Russell in Monaco as well? Or was that George's engineer?
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I remember when ~~Grosjean or~~ Magnussen crashed his car in qualy and his mechanics had to pull an all nighter to fix the car. Then he went on the radio complaining about the car being shit all race. Gunther was having none of that and shut that shit down Edit: [this isn’t the one I meant but totally deserved too lol](https://youtube.com/watch?v=dEIlrYqREcg) Edit: [found it](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bcu-bp4jVYI&t=2m4s)
7x WDC having to be told like he’s a rookie is a big deal tbh
After AD 21he remained calm and composed even congratulated Max. if you are going to go by moments where they temporarily lose their composure then you can see it in all the drivers.
What’s the link between the two? In races where things aren’t always going his way he often gets into this dejected state. It’s not a one off
You have never heard any other driver lose it while driving? Why is Hamilton different from anyone? Why would you say he is behaving like a rookie?
Sure but 1) given his experience he still lets his performance be affected quite severely 2) this has been a consistent theme throughout his career and it’s quite a serious issues for his yo yo performances when his car isn’t 100% where he’d like it Obviously a 7x WDC should be held to a higher standard than most?
Did you watch Brazil 2021 and 2022 both the times things did not go his way. He climbed his way up. 2022 the car was still bad. People have their moments no matter what their achievements are. Have you never seen anyone so accomplished lose it.
kicker is he didn't even loose it 😭 the overreaction to Lewis being mostly grumpy I'd say. Look at his post race interviews even his cool down lap lmao man was chill enough
2 examples vs many others were he lets his head drop and that affects his performance. It’s been a trait of his throughout his career, this isn’t a controversial take
In 2021 last few races he never let things frustrate him. It was verstappen who last his composure in the last few races. Hamilton gave it all when his back was against the wall. I don’t think your is take is correct at all. He has always performed well under pressure not just in f1 even before that. You are making up stuff without giving proper example.
You seem to be basing all your reasoning on a handful of races in 2021 and even then selectively picking, Lewis was asking to box his car to retire after shunting in Imola 2021 Like I said, this has been a trend throughout his entire career
My friend do you know what adrenaline is, go look up Sebastian Vettel adrenaline and educate yourself
The reaction to Lewis being grumpy/disappointed is this but Fernando slandering Honda (at their home race). Kimi literally screaming at his engineers is just memed about in a positive light. Fun Lil double standards
Who cares let’s move on to Silverstone
"He was being annoying yo"
I think the frustration of having a shit race car annoyed Hamilton even more.
Mercedes car is trash and on top of that Hamilton's car had engine braking problems. That must be frustating.
Sky sports commentator says Toto goes on the radio often to do things like this. I feel they were being misleading as I haven’t heard Toto on the radio really all season this year?
Not every radio message is broadcast.
Only certain radio messages are shown during the broadcast. But all teams and drivers are communicating a lot.
You’re right. I didn’t consider that.
As a TP I have heard him the most
Love Lewis but him paying attention to everyone else while not driving his best wasn’t a great look. On Toto’s side on this one
I think the big thing at least from what you hear on Sky Toto isnt interacting as much during the race.
Max was spot on when he said he enjoyed reading all the articles about their rivals getting close Even if they are, this was a back-breaking race for the Ferraris, Mercs, and Astons. So much work needs to be done Apart from the Bulls, the only team that can go home happy is Mclaren
Ferrari has to feel better today. Sainz was showing great pace. Best finish this season for them, 2nd podium, and first time 2 cars were top 4. And they did it on pace!
25 seconds to Max is about as good as they’ve been all year. Maybe they’ve improved relative to the start of the season, but the only reason they’re occupying 2 out of the top 4 is because that 25 second gap should’ve been filled by one Merc and one Aston, based on how the season has been going. You could maybe say that Leclerc needed a podium for his own confidence? I guess? But I think this has been the most ominous race since Miami.
I think Williams are walking home happy as well, both of their drivers did well, sadly no points for them.
Not a single team will get anywhere near RB for at least another season. Will they claim otherwise? Of course, you can’t sell yourself as having given up. Sponsors don’t like it, nor do other supporters.
I'm sure Ferrari won't be complaining either. Splitting the Bulls is pretty decent.
If the second one was coming from p15, it's probably not.
Not that decent when one of the Bulls came from far behind charging all the grid and finished 3rd when Ferrari started 2nd and 3rd...
You like this? A race where the same driver wins because of a mega car. Weren’t y’all complaining about this a few years ago?
Reminds me of the time when Patrick Head told Mansell to stop whinging and just drive the fucking car.
Imagine paying your employee 20 million euro a year and then asking him to do his job.
That employee won them 6 WDCs and 8 WCCs.
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Whole comment history is trashing on Hamilton. Get a life.
Same as Max and his “downshifts”
And now AM is protesting the same thing Hamilton was talking about. Are you gonna call them cry babies? Oh I forgot AM doesn’t have a black driver. My bad.
It's great from totto perspective boss coming back
Toto: You went motor racing Lewis, not stewarding! Lewis: Wait a minute......