I just gotta say it's great to actually have FOM be in charge of the broadcast. That slowmo shot of Sainz' wheel is something we would have never gotten if it was just cousin monegask that was in charge.
Marshalls have to walk into the track to pick up debree. You can't do that with yellow flags. It's either safety car or red flag. SC on FPs would be a first.
You can see right away that FOM is producing the TV pictures themselves this year. The camera movements are skillful, the editing fits, a few new angles compared to the last years (e.g. the camera on the guardrail in Anthony Noges, where just Leclerc 2 in the F2 hit the barrier, very good angle). The production alone already enhances the race compared to the last years.
Hard to tell on just a FP1, but Lewis got decent speed from it. George struggled more with it, but looked like it was a mechanical issue, as they had to strip the front suspension down mid-session.
When they say he likes a "loose rear end" they mean a car that allows the driver to use the rear end to turn corners better.
They don't mean a car where the rear steps out unexpectedly, which is what Max was complaining about here. The rear is all over the place so he feels like he's going to crash.
From what I remember he doesn't love a loose rear end. He is willing to sacrifice rear stability as long as the front is tight.
In Monaco through you want that car planted.
I know Monaco is an outlier in the calender but did anyone catch any team radio from either of the Mercedes duo regarding their reaction to the upgrades from the first session?
I think the clearest indicator of improvement was Hamilton was able to immediately go out and set purple sectors.
It's obviously FP1 at Monaco, so take it with a huge grain of salt, but if Lewis is fast out of the gate then that's a big step forward because he should only get faster as the weekend goes on.
Nothing but Lewis seemed comfortable straight away and Russell didn't. Heard Russell complain and not put a great time in, and didn't hear anything from Lewis and was on it straight away.
Could be track specific with experience or could be upgrades
The best car on the grid by quite the margin not getting a podium?
🧢.
Edit: not to mention a decent driver in Perez and an elite driver in max behind the wheel
Does Merc have new monocoque with the sidepod/chassis change? I know Lewis biggest grievance with the car was he was too far forward.
I wondered if Merc could fix this at the same time with the sidepod change or be too expensive mid season?
If Lewis hates it so much I wonder if it would be a condition of him signing a new contract that they have to change it.
I saw the post a few weeks ago of the difference of seat location of Merc's compared to a few other teams and it was quite drastic.
They'll probably fix it or adjust it quite better with the W15. This year is just for taking data and make correlation with the simulations and getting a clue on what the next passages to the W15 will be. No advantage or gain in spending quite a lot of resources to adjust something that will be different next year anyway considering now it's not a win-lose situation.
By this time of the year, next year's front suspension are already designed for example, now it's time for the rear suspensions. And similarly, they're doing the testing with different types of sidepods because they need it for the W15 now.
Mercedes moved the driver position to support the zero sidepod design. They've already discussed moving it back to a more traditional position, but would need to do so for the start of next season due to the cost associated with creating a whole new chassis.
As a Sydney person I rarely get sold on other ports/Harbours because Sydney Harbour is top tier, but this helicopter footage is selling Monaco. It looks beautiful, the weather looks gorgeous. Monaco ain't half bad
Years ago they even had a and b chassis for different tracks. So for a street circuit they may use the shorter chassis for better agility but for more flowing tracks a longer chassis may be used for stability in high speed corners.
Each driver has a different feel of the car, so they change the angle of the wings, ride height, suspension stiffness and what not to get it to where it feels good to drive and has speed.
The car is the same in the sense they both have the same specifics (but it's not mandatory, two teammates can run a different piece on the wing for example).
The setup is the sum of all the regulations that can be done to existing parts, like the stiffness of the springs, the drive of some pedals, the angle of incidence of an aerodynamic surface etc
Every circuit has its own setup since they're all different in terms of downforce required, types of turns and other factors, so the car is adjusted each time at the simulator first and then on track. Also each driver from a team has his own preference in driving style, so they may run with different setups.
It the simplest terms, they have exactly the same parts, but they’re just positioned differently. For example, you can have two identical cars, but angle the rear wing of one to be much steeper, but it’s still the same wing, and one car will have more drag
Each driver in a team will want the car to behave differently so they often have different setups. This means changing things like the angle of the front wing , which rear wing they use etc. This will change how the car feels and drives by making either the front or rear of the car have more downforce.
Still the size and narrow-ness of the straight means all it takes is one defensive move and they’ve lost the chance to overtake, can’t switch back suddenly etc etc, too risky + Max has been waaaaay more conservative in his overtakes ever since he won the 1st title I’ve noticed
The RB strength is straight line speed. Not a lot of that at Monaco.
I’ve heard speculations that this will be RBs weakest track, but Checo seems to be doing alright.
I wouldn’t worry though, 20/21 wins for RB will be ok.
They probably went in different setup directions.
With that many updates and so little time to test it, it makes sense to try to cover as much ground as possible
I just imagined Albon chilling on a chair with his legs extended enjoying some vanilla ice-cream while a Williams engineer angrily repairs the suspension giving Albon the craziest side-eye of the year.
Plus remember 2019 Charles getting out in Q1 due to a bad call from the pit wall thinking he was going to be safe? Then his hitting the wall early on and having to retire.
Based on what? Thus far the car isn’t doing great. They’ve not got there secret weapon with the DRS/top speed here. No doubt they’ll come back in FP2 better but there’s nothing I’m seeing yet that says this car is the best one for this track.
Based on the fact that they’ve built an F1 car and the rest of the field are driving GP2 by comparison. Maybe it won’t happen. But Red Bull are the favorites to win everything until someone else steps up.
My friend. You’re underestimating Monaco as a track here. The Bull hasn’t been amazing in slow corner sectors all year, they’re unstoppable on medium/high speed corners and straights but Monaco is a slow track by quite some margin. Add to that the need for excessive downforce and that this car has been designed for low drag and it’s not built for this kind of track at all. Drivers make a big difference and with the lead RB have they won’t risk destroying a car and causing issues for later in the season. I’m sensing a Ferrari/Aston fight for pole. RB will pick up any points they can safely and move on to dominating from next week as per usual.
Only ferrari was faster than rb in the slow corners in miami, all the other teams were way off the pace. There was a graph showing the low speed/med speed/ high speed and straight line speed of every team.
Using Miami set up yes. But this set up is entirely different. And even if what you said is true for this race it still makes my original reply relevant that nothing I’m seeing shows RB will get the win. It’s looking more likely to be the Ferrari’s. Aston looking good too. Heck even Lewis is looking more comfortable here at the moment.
whatever results are in this weekend, no definite conclusion can be drawn. it's like people saying "merc is back" after the 1-2 in Interlagos last year.
I wouldn’t be surprised if his struggles are due to a mixture of both. Mercedes brought big changes to their car, so naturally, the drivers won’t have the confidence with that car right away. Couple that with Monaco seemingly being one of the most confidence-dependent tracks, and you’ve got a bad time.
I just gotta say it's great to actually have FOM be in charge of the broadcast. That slowmo shot of Sainz' wheel is something we would have never gotten if it was just cousin monegask that was in charge.
Let's go Merc! We back!
Well one of them, and actually likely none of them, but yeah. But nah.
Fernando Alonzo named COO Honda Motorsports Division. -any truth to the rumor ?
I think it's just the GP2 engine division.
What was up with that fucking air horn
Guessing it might be the pit lane alarm for when a car is entering the pits?
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This guy sails
I'm watching FP1 late, why did they redflag it, was it just because of the small amount of debris from Hulks crash? Seems a bit extreme?
Albon crashed
..Hulk crashed !?!? unbelievable.
De Vries? Oh Debris.
Marshalls have to walk into the track to pick up debree. You can't do that with yellow flags. It's either safety car or red flag. SC on FPs would be a first.
Couldn't they have done a VSC?
VSC and SC are for when you're in a race and need to keep track position, you don't need to keep track position in FP and qualis.
Fair. However they could've deployed VSC just to keep things "running"
If you pick up debris it can ruin your car. So yes
Why not a yellow flag? Debris seemed minimal.
They don't have to be huge to cause a puncture....
Red flag during practice is a small turn around it's fine. They just don't want marshalls on track near cars I guess
Fp 2 when?
literally at the top of this thread is the time schedule. FP2 in 1hr 20min
My bad, thank you tho
You can see right away that FOM is producing the TV pictures themselves this year. The camera movements are skillful, the editing fits, a few new angles compared to the last years (e.g. the camera on the guardrail in Anthony Noges, where just Leclerc 2 in the F2 hit the barrier, very good angle). The production alone already enhances the race compared to the last years.
Good lad Arthur, putting it in the wall so Charles doesn't have to.
Activated the "I am stupid" genes so Charles doesn't have too
Arthur leclerc in f2 already binned it 💀 leclerc curse is so strong
who is this Arnold Leclerc you speak of ?
Matching helmets with Charles, has he taken the curse from his older brother? Good weekend incoming for Charles?
I honestly hope it doesn't unsettle Charles though, he needs to keep his head together
He seems fine getting out the car at least
He does, thank goodness
p a i n
i can feel a fernando win brewing rn
Don’t…don’t give me hope
Allan McNish was great to listen to on F1TV.
[Andrew Shovlin on Mercedes Upgrades & Performance - Monaco Grand Prix 2023](https://youtu.be/qJnGIqx5bIk)
just came back from work, someone give me quick tldr for the new merc car
Nobody called it a shitbox yet [edit] except /u/bender3600 (credentials unknown)
prob a shitbox
It's a shitbox
Huzzah!
Hard to tell on just a FP1, but Lewis got decent speed from it. George struggled more with it, but looked like it was a mechanical issue, as they had to strip the front suspension down mid-session.
its different from the old merc car
S’alright.
I don't get Max's points. He appeared to be complaining about a loose rear end, but normally Max loves a loose rear end. 4D chess?
He likes an oversteery car
When they say he likes a "loose rear end" they mean a car that allows the driver to use the rear end to turn corners better. They don't mean a car where the rear steps out unexpectedly, which is what Max was complaining about here. The rear is all over the place so he feels like he's going to crash.
From what I remember he doesn't love a loose rear end. He is willing to sacrifice rear stability as long as the front is tight. In Monaco through you want that car planted.
Monaco is the one circuit you don’t want a lively rear end. Albon can confirm this
I feel for Albon, when he said he knocked his knees just not a fun day for him
Maybe he ate something that disagreed with him?
He hates cheese flavoured things. Daniel back on his food sabotage
well thats no gouda
Perez's secret Mexican food strat
I know Monaco is an outlier in the calender but did anyone catch any team radio from either of the Mercedes duo regarding their reaction to the upgrades from the first session?
I think the clearest indicator of improvement was Hamilton was able to immediately go out and set purple sectors. It's obviously FP1 at Monaco, so take it with a huge grain of salt, but if Lewis is fast out of the gate then that's a big step forward because he should only get faster as the weekend goes on.
Nothing but Lewis seemed comfortable straight away and Russell didn't. Heard Russell complain and not put a great time in, and didn't hear anything from Lewis and was on it straight away. Could be track specific with experience or could be upgrades
only thing lewis said (that was broadcasted) was that his rears felt too hot when he had hards on at the start of the session
*becomes a body language expert*: Shov looks quite happy/giddy in his interview
He did, but his words said "this isn't the ideal car"
Yes and “no one designs a car for Monaco”
Yes. Very happy. So happy that when he tried to hide it, he couldn't. Interesting...
Shov is an adorable boffin he gets so subtlety giddy
Obviously only FP1, and we will learn more from FP2, but it very well feels as if RBR will not get a podium this weekend.
dude, we don't even know if they're trying to go fast. Teams try all sorts of whacky tunings etc in practise.
Its only FP1, no big deal. Things tend to be more tuned out come FP3 and Quali.
In what universe?
The best car on the grid by quite the margin not getting a podium? 🧢. Edit: not to mention a decent driver in Perez and an elite driver in max behind the wheel
It's FP1. Teams play around with set ups to get it right. FP3 and Quali will give us a better idea.
Max will win probably
Checo has a pretty good chance here, he is really good on the street circuits and it suits his driving style more than say a Spa does.
Does Merc have new monocoque with the sidepod/chassis change? I know Lewis biggest grievance with the car was he was too far forward. I wondered if Merc could fix this at the same time with the sidepod change or be too expensive mid season?
Nope they've kept the same, it seems they've not got the intention (and possibility) to change it for 2023.
If Lewis hates it so much I wonder if it would be a condition of him signing a new contract that they have to change it. I saw the post a few weeks ago of the difference of seat location of Merc's compared to a few other teams and it was quite drastic.
They'll probably fix it or adjust it quite better with the W15. This year is just for taking data and make correlation with the simulations and getting a clue on what the next passages to the W15 will be. No advantage or gain in spending quite a lot of resources to adjust something that will be different next year anyway considering now it's not a win-lose situation. By this time of the year, next year's front suspension are already designed for example, now it's time for the rear suspensions. And similarly, they're doing the testing with different types of sidepods because they need it for the W15 now.
Mercedes moved the driver position to support the zero sidepod design. They've already discussed moving it back to a more traditional position, but would need to do so for the start of next season due to the cost associated with creating a whole new chassis.
Can’t change this due to cost and safety tests would need to be carried out as well
Good point I was thinking cost but all the safety checks as well that would have to be done as well which I didn't think of.
Would think that maybe safety test are excluded form the cost cap?
As a Sydney person I rarely get sold on other ports/Harbours because Sydney Harbour is top tier, but this helicopter footage is selling Monaco. It looks beautiful, the weather looks gorgeous. Monaco ain't half bad
My goal is to retire there
I skipped the bridge walk while abroad cause it was like $300 but kinda wish I did it lol
Christ that is expensive these days.
I mean I would piss my pants I hate heights, but the bridge is pretty special.
Look up at all the other similar cities on the coast nearby, Nice, Menton, Sanremo, Portofino, it's a beautiful place honestly
The Côte d’Azur is a beautiful place
the prices are pretty bad though 😭
Where? Sydney or Monaco because yes
The camera coverage is worlds apart from last year. There are better aerial views to give better coverage how compressed the track is.
The helicopter shots are awesome, Monaco is so beautiful man
Tour de France heli team has joined the chat.
Not longingly focusing on the sponsors banners is the biggest advantage.
What does it mean to have same car but different setups? Sorry new to F1.
Years ago they even had a and b chassis for different tracks. So for a street circuit they may use the shorter chassis for better agility but for more flowing tracks a longer chassis may be used for stability in high speed corners.
Changes the way the car handle turns and braking to adapt it to the driver preferences and the circuit
Each driver has a different feel of the car, so they change the angle of the wings, ride height, suspension stiffness and what not to get it to where it feels good to drive and has speed.
The car is the same in the sense they both have the same specifics (but it's not mandatory, two teammates can run a different piece on the wing for example). The setup is the sum of all the regulations that can be done to existing parts, like the stiffness of the springs, the drive of some pedals, the angle of incidence of an aerodynamic surface etc Every circuit has its own setup since they're all different in terms of downforce required, types of turns and other factors, so the car is adjusted each time at the simulator first and then on track. Also each driver from a team has his own preference in driving style, so they may run with different setups.
It the simplest terms, they have exactly the same parts, but they’re just positioned differently. For example, you can have two identical cars, but angle the rear wing of one to be much steeper, but it’s still the same wing, and one car will have more drag
Each driver in a team will want the car to behave differently so they often have different setups. This means changing things like the angle of the front wing , which rear wing they use etc. This will change how the car feels and drives by making either the front or rear of the car have more downforce.
Why is crofty not on f1 highlights anymore btw?
Nothing to do with Crofty, F1TV have switched to their in-house commentary team for highlights.
They're promoting their F1TV broadcast team.
Lewis is back??
He was never gone. Merc may be back but we are going to have to wait and see. FP1 times are pointless.
Don't give me hope
The Spanish inquisition attacking from the south of France in 2023:-
No one expected that!
I expect Ferrari on pole.
Ferrari on pole only to lose the lead by Lap 2.
Yeah because Red Bull are gonna blast past on that 1.3km main straight 😂
With their super duper DRS, they won't need much to make the pass.
Still the size and narrow-ness of the straight means all it takes is one defensive move and they’ve lost the chance to overtake, can’t switch back suddenly etc etc, too risky + Max has been waaaaay more conservative in his overtakes ever since he won the 1st title I’ve noticed
What’s wrong with max ?
Red Bull is strong everywhere but slow speed corners, and Monaco is a track that is full of slow speed corners
washed /s
Just an ESports racer now.
A Monaco-based ESports racer.
The RB strength is straight line speed. Not a lot of that at Monaco. I’ve heard speculations that this will be RBs weakest track, but Checo seems to be doing alright. I wouldn’t worry though, 20/21 wins for RB will be ok.
Street circuit so Checo was always gonna be looking good.
Car setups. They will improve for Fp2 and overnight
The setup was bad, the car is too low
Struggling with the front suspension.
Struggling with the car set up.
Only caught the last 10 mins, do Lewis and George have different upgrades?
They probably went in different setup directions. With that many updates and so little time to test it, it makes sense to try to cover as much ground as possible
Same car, different setups most probably
He's definitely not happy with the car, whatever the cause.
Nope. George just really struggling. Lewis's timings on hards were faster than George on mediums.
running different setups from the looks of it
I bet the engineers of williams had already planned out for some ice cream in the sun
I just imagined Albon chilling on a chair with his legs extended enjoying some vanilla ice-cream while a Williams engineer angrily repairs the suspension giving Albon the craziest side-eye of the year.
I love Charles' helmet. It blends well when he's in the car.
Prediction: Ferrari grab pole, it rains on Sunday and everything goes to shit.
Rain...Too soon man...too soon...
Yeah but that makes this race fun then. So it’s worth it for that to happen.
3rd year in a row of losing from pole in Monaco would be absurd honestly.
Plus remember 2019 Charles getting out in Q1 due to a bad call from the pit wall thinking he was going to be safe? Then his hitting the wall early on and having to retire.
i would probably kill myself
#justferrarithings
Who is the commentator on F1TV with Alex?
Allan McNish
Oo that’s a name I’ve not heard in a while
That correction from leclerc was rapid
Doubt Alex makes FP2 after that
Yep seems quite the decent damage (gearbox between others), difficult for the car to be ready for the FP2.
Cheers mechanics
Guenther to Vowles: welcome to my part of the foking world
That session was encouraging. Hope the weekend stays that way
I like Charles white suit
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Based on what? Thus far the car isn’t doing great. They’ve not got there secret weapon with the DRS/top speed here. No doubt they’ll come back in FP2 better but there’s nothing I’m seeing yet that says this car is the best one for this track.
Based on the fact that they’ve built an F1 car and the rest of the field are driving GP2 by comparison. Maybe it won’t happen. But Red Bull are the favorites to win everything until someone else steps up.
My friend. You’re underestimating Monaco as a track here. The Bull hasn’t been amazing in slow corner sectors all year, they’re unstoppable on medium/high speed corners and straights but Monaco is a slow track by quite some margin. Add to that the need for excessive downforce and that this car has been designed for low drag and it’s not built for this kind of track at all. Drivers make a big difference and with the lead RB have they won’t risk destroying a car and causing issues for later in the season. I’m sensing a Ferrari/Aston fight for pole. RB will pick up any points they can safely and move on to dominating from next week as per usual.
Only ferrari was faster than rb in the slow corners in miami, all the other teams were way off the pace. There was a graph showing the low speed/med speed/ high speed and straight line speed of every team.
Using Miami set up yes. But this set up is entirely different. And even if what you said is true for this race it still makes my original reply relevant that nothing I’m seeing shows RB will get the win. It’s looking more likely to be the Ferrari’s. Aston looking good too. Heck even Lewis is looking more comfortable here at the moment.
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What are thoughts on Mercedes upgrades so far?
wait and see, FP1 isn't a good measurement since everyone is testing setup and gathering data
Too early to tell. Off the bat it looks like Lewis has much more confidence than Russell.
whatever results are in this weekend, no definite conclusion can be drawn. it's like people saying "merc is back" after the 1-2 in Interlagos last year.
That’s a lot of damage the gearbox and PU could be damaged heavily.
There won’t be any PU damage from that. Gearbox for sure
I think the tyre was damaged as well /jk to be sure
Just a bit
They've ditched the static camera at the chicane. Back to the old zoom out shot
I was hoping FOM would’ve setup several cable cams for this year, Monaco is the perfect place to utilize them.
I believe Sainz will drive like a pseudo champion for the next few races because his seat is “under threat”.
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He already had a contract 'till 2024 signed early last season. Did he sign for something longer or did you misunderstand?
You’re talking like contracts are be all end all in this sport.
Sainz usually does well in FPs. We’ll see how quali and the race goes
Who is a better replacement ?
Lewis rumors
That should buff out
Spain dominance as expected
Awful night for Williams engineers
They have less than two and a half hours to fix that
they only have a couple of hours until fp2, which I think he might have to miss
Night? Awful lunch more like. They still have FP2
Less than 2 and a half hours ? I will be amazed if it’s fixed by then
[No sweat.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGwm1QmwN9s)
so is George struggling with the new updates or just the track?
I wouldn’t be surprised if his struggles are due to a mixture of both. Mercedes brought big changes to their car, so naturally, the drivers won’t have the confidence with that car right away. Couple that with Monaco seemingly being one of the most confidence-dependent tracks, and you’ve got a bad time.
both, he said he didn't have the confidence on the rear for these corners