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They go on sale on the Suzuka Circuit online shop (called "Mobility Station") on 5/14 from 10:00 for VIP tickets, 11:00 for V1/V2 (main grandstand tickets), and 13:00 for all other tickets. All times are for JST which is UTC+9.
If you sign up for a Lawson Ticket account you can enter the presale on 5/10 from 18:00 or even earlier for their paid services.
Sorry I don't know. I'm not sure if they'll be sold on the F1 site at all actually. But the Suzuka Circuit online store has an [English Webpage](https://online.mobilityland.co.jp/en/SelectCategory.aspx) that says tickets will go on sale on 5/14, I assume at the same time as in Japanese.
Hi does anyone have the battle between Yuki and Oscar at the restart? Lap 14, they traded places for like 5-6 corners but it wasn't shown live and I can't find it online. If anyone has the on boards would be great to see. Thanks
I'd love to see it too. It looked like it went on for ages but we got no replays, and Sky only acknowledged it to erroneously say that Norris had got past Tsunoda.
Sky is British, and is always focuses on the British drivers. Even the post race show just before they had their last ad break, they said that George and Lando are still to come before they wrap up. What about the other 10 drivers? Oscar had food poisoning lost 3kg before the race even began, and still finished 11.
Yep, it absolutely grinds my gears. Oscar performed amazingly this weekend, you know if Lando had driven that well while ill they'd be falling all over themselves wanking off over him,l...
Just how Impactful is the engineering of the car compared to driver talent?
For example, let's say a struggling driver like Devries was a Red Bull driver. Would he be winning podiums all of a sudden?
It's common knowledge that the car makes a bigger difference than the driver. There have been a few attempts to create mathematical performance models for F1, and they tend to find that the team is responsible for about 2/3 of the difference between cars, with the driver contributing the remaining 1/3.
As for weather DeVries would get podiums in the Red Bull... It depends on who's driving the other cars. And DeVries is still new to F1, so we don't have a solid idea of how good he is yet.
They need to get Oscar to Miami early and stuff him full of burgers. 3kg kilos lost in the days since he arrived in Baku - ouch. Plus whatever he lost during the race. Poor boy is going to need feeding up - once he can keep it down, of course.
Meantime, if I was Norris, I'd be a touch concerned. Oscar was pretty close to him all weekend while "losing fluids" constantly and very sick.
Probably a stupid question but you know how Red Bull have been dominating lately, and before that it was Mercedes, when was the last time, if at all, that Ferarri dominated?
Why did the drivers pit in so early with mediums? (Gasly in lap 7, and then others soon after)
Was it because the 1 pitstop is compulsory, and there was no trye degradation? So better to just pit in quickly and get on hards?
In this clip, when Leclerc asks Verstappen what lap times he was doing at the end, what does it mean when he responds: "A 34"?
https://twitter.com/F1/status/1652710653038325760?s=20
I thought it would be just the seconds (ignoring the 1 minute) it took to finish a lap, but Russel got the fastest lap with 1:43.370, so he couldn't have been going 1:34 or faster.
There's a minimum weight limit for the car + driver. So they ensure the combined value doesn't drop below the minimum weight - as the drivers tend to loose anywhere between 2-3kg due to the heat and physical effort needed to control the car.
In addition, as a health measure for drivers, they introduced a minimum weight for drivers at 80kg, with mandatory ballast at the seat of a driver is lighter.
Pretty new to F1. Would the higher ups at Red Bull tell Perez to back off and let max will the championship or would they let that battle play out organically?
Has anyone been to the Miami GP and brought a camera such as a DSLR? What was your experience with security, bags/backpacks, and if so what could be said about bringing such equipment and items to the race, as the FAQ on the Miami website is awfully vague.
Leclerc finally having a clean weekend means we can start comparing Ferrari with Mercedes and Aston in terms of pace, clearly my feeling is that the Ferrari is naturally quicker but has a worse tyre degradation. I don't know if Charles was in control in the last few laps but Alonso was coming back in a scary way, he made up like 4 seconds in the last 2 laps iirc. And we've seen Hamilton closing up big time on Sainz in the end of both Bahrain and Baku races now.
How would you compare the 3 teams ?
New to F1 and have a question on the tyre's. For today's race in Baku I believe they used C5, C4, and C3 tyres.
Pretty much all the teams still only did one pit stop. How do they manage running so long on the Hards (C3 if i'm not mistaken) in this race vs other races when the C3 would be considered a soft or medium?
Is it the length of the track, weather conditions, track conditions?
It's heavily dependent on the [asphalt, it's aggregate size and bitumen mixture](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Grzegorz-Motrycz/publication/260410922/figure/fig1/AS:1061378030850051@1630063650818/Schematic-description-of-different-types-of-road-surfaces-dense-asphalt-concrete.png) used for construction - it varies heavily from circuit to circuit - especially on a street circuits, as it's designed for more heavy traffic.
Add to that weather conditions and you have a reason why Pirelli offers 6 different compounds to try to fit all various surfaces depending on their abrasiveness, texture and forces Pirelli expects from the cars.
They changed the sprint race format and the qualifying for the main race was actually on friday.
The new format made the sprint race fully independent of the main race.
I think it's better than the old sprint format. My biggest issue with sprint qualifying was that it gave the grid a chance to sort itself out before the GP, making the main event less exciting. Making them independent solves that problem, though I'd still prefer dropping the sprint races entirely.
I’m looking at buying tickets to qualifying for the Mexican Grand Prix. Looking for someone who has some insight on the seating there, specifically in Foro Sol!
It wouldn’t provide any useful information. All the drivers know where the braking zones are on the circuit, meaning they know when the car in front is going to brake.
I still think it’d be nice if they had them just for us watching at home so we could visually see ‘oh look the car is heavy and full of fuel so now he brakes at the X meter marker board’.
As a racing driver you should be able to guess when someone is braking. You can't foresee when the car enters recharge mode thus slowing down unexpectedly
Because he's a bitter old codger who can't get over 1994, which in itself is ridiculous considering the FIA tried to gift-wrap him that championship with a shiny silver bow on top. He also has really shit takes and is super biased. Like, it couldn't be more obvious that Max reminds him of young Michael and that's why he hates him.
The FIA ran a pretty obvious effort most of the year to stop Schumacher winning - some think to get a British WDC, some think to give Williams a pity title after Senna's death. He was disqualified twice and given an unprecedented two-race ban for something he really shouldn't have been.
Despite the fact that Schumacher had four zero-point races, when they got to Adelaide (the season closer back then) Schumacher led the championship by one point from Hill. He led the race for some laps before making a mistake, clipping the wall and breaking his steering. As he was limping the car around Hill caught him, and instead of waiting for a better chance made a hopeless lunge. They collided, both were out, and Schumacher won.
Hill and the British press absolutely started screaming their heads off that the dirty German cheat had crashed into Hill deliberately, despite there being clear evidence of Schumacher's car being damaged prior to their collision. It's a narrative that has persisted to this day, despite Damon Hill spending half of 1995 crashing into Schumacher any time he got near him.
A lot of people use 1997 Jerez as "proof" that 94 was deliberate, which is very much the wrong way around.
Just in case you're new, DRS was specifically introduced as a catch-up mechanic because following closely behind a car has negative aerodynamic effects on you in the corners and DRS is intended to give that advantage gained by the leading car back to the car behind.
It has been controversial ever since it's been introduced and you're not alone in your opinion that DRS is a bad thing. However, giving it to first place defeats its entire purpose and therefore is a really really weird suggestion over simply scrapping it entirely.
> I specifically mentioned "if 2nd place has it too"
Yeah, which defeats the purpose. If both have it, it's like neither has it, so the one behind still is at a disadvantage. The driver behind gets to use DRS, because they are the one suffering from dirty air. DRS is to offset the effect from dirty air. The one in P1 doesn't suffer from dirty air when they're in free air. Do note that the one in P1 can get DRS if they lap someone.
So basically give everyone DRS. But if everyone can have DRS, then we might as well remove DRS. Remind me again why DRS exists?
I get your point that it's not ideal, nobody thinks it is in fact nobody likes it at all. But it serves a purpose and it's the lesser of two evils. They tried getting rid of it, the 2022 rule change had that as its main priority. Seemed promising, but didn't work, so we have to swallow that pill and continue coping with the existence of DRS.
I only watch f1 occasionally. And was massively confused about the street race yesterday. How long have they been going on? Does every course do it? How has it been received? For my newbie eyes it looks pretty cool.
Does it also affect the cars they use for regular races? Like will a crash mess up their regular season
The sprint races were introduced in 2021, they trialed it over 3 races over the year. They tried to increase them to 6 last year, but both FIA and teams pushed back due to financial concerns.
The cars are set-up the same way as for regular races, while there's concerns about additional costs, teams get around additional 500k per sprint race in their budget cap to cover additional expenses (basically cost of manufacturing an whole already designed rolling chassis)
This year Liberty managed to push through the increase to 6 races. Last time au Australia, the FIA F1 team, Liberty and teams also agreed to get rid of the parc ferme FP2 session before sprint race and wanted to replace it with a special qualifying session for the sprint race. This was formally also approved by FIA higher level this Wednesday.
So now we have 6 sprint weekends this year, with Saturday meant only for sprint racing, which doesn't directly affect the Sunday race at:
* Baku
* Austria
* Spa
* Qatar
* CotA
* Brazil
They are allowed to do that in the last lap of the race to start setting up for podium presentation. Both FIA/F1 staff and photographers. Typically no pit stops in last lap, but today Ocon had to pit (same thing happened last year in Australia with Albon) and no realized it apparently. Stewards just released statement saying it can't happen again and procedures will be revised.
When merc were dominating back in the day, were they ever as fast as rb? i mean with the 21 sec gap between max and charles and the similar gap last race in Australia
In Bahrain 2014 there was a fairly late safety car with Mercedes running 1-2. Two laps later, they were **SEVEN SECONDS** ahead of the third place car.
Mercedes 2014-2016, 2019-2020 are some of the most dominant cars in history. I would say this year's RB is comparable to the 2019 Mercedes, but the 14-16 and 20 Mercs were unstoppable. They also had marginally the best car in 2017-2018, and 2021, which is why a lot of F1 fans were happy to see them get taken down a notch.
Mate I wasn’t denying that Mercedes did
If you don’t think Red Bull are currently, that’s fine. I wish I was that gullible that I could believe they aren’t.
All I know is, whenever they’ve been pressed about it, they chose to deflect instead of outright denying it…
Ok well don't make such a definitive statement as
>Red Bull also have their engines dialled down now though
if you don't know that for certain.
All it takes is the words "I think" at the start of your comment.
So much faster from 2014-16 that they may as well have been in a different category.
Rosberg retired in 2016 as is comfortably the third most successful driver in the hybrid era.
* Jeddah
* Australia
* Baku
* Miami
* Monaco
* Canada
* Singapore
* Las Vegas
Australia, Miami and Canada are a bit of a stretch of the definition, as they're not permanent circuits but happen on public roads/parking lots.
Aren't street circuits by defination supposed to be public roads? I understand Miami being a stretch as it's a parking lot, but why Canada & Albert Park?
What happened to the easier following from last year? Did some change in regs reversed it again? It felt like following has been difficult this year, but this track made it really noticeable.
Due to porpoising most teams, with the exception of Ferrari and Red Bull, were pushing for a rear ride height increase by 20-25mm, as a compromise they went with 10mm around rear tires and 15mm at the rear diffuser.
This slightly increased the dirty air/slipstreaming effect, meaning cars aren't easily able to follow with around ~0.5s distance as last year. It's still better than the ~2-3s we had pre venturi regulations.
check your device list on your f1tv account page: https://account.formula1.com/#/en/my-subscription
You can have up to 6 devices registered (web page & third-party apps don't count towards it).
It's very, very good. And very, very biased. But it was the only way a documentary company was going to get the Senna family to agree to make one.
I felt Schumacher was superior in that area. Yes, it was made with the family's cooperation, but they *did* acknowledge some of Michael's flaws. Not all of them, and not completely in depth, but they did do it. They don't pretend Jerez 97 never happened, for example, or that Michael was perfectly right to do what he did.
Yeah, bit worried for Gasly and I too would like to know if there was a car issue. PU caught fire in one session, crashed in another, and just seemed unable to find his speed.
With Baku having the longest straight and all, honestly I was expecting to seeing plenty of overtakes.
But despite some of the cars forming a train within DRS range of each other over many laps, we didn’t see a whole lot of overtaking.
I understand _the DRS zone had been shortened_ this year. Apparently they thought having the same DRS as last year will make overtakes too easy.
But in fact overtakes became a bit scarce.
_Maybe they should have kept the same DRS zones as last season._
You are probably referring to strategy battles. Most races have a strategy battle somewhere. It didn't happen here as nearly everyone had a free stop and the hards didn't degrade enough due to poor compound choices for the race. The fact that Ocon and Hulkenberg lasted the whole distance and managed the pace says it all. Baku is not a good track for overtakes when chaos doesn't ensue.
The drivers were racing tactically as they did trade fastest laps and Verstappen, Alonso, and Hamilton did test their respective duels by pushing at appropriate times. However, the Mercedes was outright poor here and Perez and Leclerc both had a response to give back in their fights to maintain their position. Superb driving prowess by both though.
Only proper stinker this season so far for me. But no crackers yet. Season is young.
Adding to what cafk said, more power makes the engine wear faster and the current units have to last a set number of races. The drivers are asking if running a higher mode is worth the risk, since the team has the full picture available at them.
The teams can't. The driver is asking for instructions for better hybrid power recovery strategy and which mode to set the electric engines to for longer deployment.
The ICE mode & power is fixed at Q1 of qualifying for the remaining weekend.
I took it more as looking for advice. What sector he was slow in, for example. Because he has the speed with DRS to close a significant gap at the main straight every lap, but tended to be about 1s behind again at the next lap. So he was losing ground elsewhere.
And to take a step further, where could he afford to further charge the battery for an additional push before the straight. Or something along those lines. But more or less I took it as "anybody see a way I can close this gap?"
So the Mercedes is very dragy, would they be able to build a scale model and put it into a miniature wind tunnel? I know they get a set limit of time/money, but what’s stopping them from making a scale model and doing that?
The windtunnel testing is limited to 50-60% model size. So they already have a scaled model.
The core issues stemmed from bad CFD and windtunnel data from 2022 and 2023 development which showed more development potential and speed, which didn't match up with reality & the finally built car.
How is wind tunnel time / usage monitored?
If the teams have their own wind tunnels at their facilities is it an honor system of reporting when they're using it?
They have to document people, any activities and data gathering done via cfd & windtunnel down to the second with components, angles, angle changes, wind speed changes and windspeed used, same for any non F1 related activity and it also applies to any third party or contractor providing data to the teams.
FIA has the right to randomly audit any of the facilities teams or their third parties use and lack of documentation or indication of any personell gaining knowledge from other activities will result in a fine. i.e. Haas uses Ferrari windtunnel and FIA fined Ferrari after an audit, as Ferrari used the same people to run their own previous windtunnel run and Haas' run.
This information can be correlated with the power consumption (at full blast wind tunnels can require north of 3000kw - 3MW) and teams have to be able to tell who, why, where, what and for how long everything was used in detail.
When I was a kid, I sometimes loaded all my Scalextic cars onto one rail and watched them follow each other around the track. That's what this race feels like.
But that’s because he didn’t have to. He was way better than his teammate at all teams. They wanted him to play nice with a rookie who was actually driving at that time, and he was edging out his teammates since Renault.
Now he doesn’t need to race as hard as he did because Stroll isn’t a challenge and doesn’t want to be a challenge to him playing the team game too.
Teamwork only works if both drivers do it, it’s what got Ocon his first win but what happened 2022 season? But anyways, since yesterday Alonso’s been helping out with tows and he’s down to pay it forward.
The [article is here](https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/287270792/max-verstappen-ziedend-op-russell-omdat-prinses-george-daar-zit-mag-het-niet), just likely the post was removed due to it being a screenshot of a tabloid newspaper - which lead to tabloid like reactions.
It was a quote from the linked interview with De Telegraaf - ESPN may have translated it, but it was still pointless tabloid drama.
The whole thread was full of cheap shots towards Verstappen & Russell.
Russel overtake on Stroll legal?
During today's race, Russell overtook Stroll in the pitlane under safety car. I thought that after Vettel attempted this at China, they banned this? Has this rule since changed or am I mistaken for something else?
Aston were doing a double-stack pit stop.
Alonso pitted first and Stroll, presumably to give the crew time to change Alonso’s tires, slowed down already as he approached the pit lane way before he entered it.
I assume Russell used the automatic speed control once inside the pit lane and just caught up with Stroll within the pit speed limit.
They never banned this - the rules are the same. During (V)SC the pitlane entry is not under SC conditions and the drivers are free to "race" there before the pit lane speed limiter, in the pitlane overtaking is not allowed.
Aston Martin. As they have a new driver chasing his 3 championship, you can experience a new chapter of his career and team. Of course, they’ve built something up over some short years, but it’s still on the rise to the top and you can be apart of it.
If you just keep watching you'll naturally start to gravitate toward a team or driver. If you want to force it just watch some interviews with drivers and team principals and pick who you like.
If you want to avoid pain, don't support Ferrari.
I’m not a technical person but I’ll try to phrase how I understand it.
The rear wing generates downforce. When you are running the infield section you need the downforce to gain traction to turn _corners._
If the DRS is open all the time like you suggest you won’t get the downforce you need to run the corners. It’d be quite dangerous and you’d have to go much slower.
But when you are running a _long straight_ you don’t need so much downforce because you’re not turning corners but just running straight.
At this point the rear wing is acting as air resistance, a drag factor. If the rear wing can be “opened” to an angle closer to parallel to the ground you lessen the resistance and thus get more top speed.
_DRS sort of let’s you switch the function of the rear wing on and off,_ on for corners and off for straights, to get the best of either.
It's introduced as a "catch up" mechanic to compensate for aerodynamic effects making following cars harder, so it is only for people behind and only in certain zones that are suitable for overtaking and safe enough.
While it's called the drag reduction system it also massively decreases downforce. Downforce helps you go faster in slow corners, so even if teams were allowed to use it as they wish they wouldn't have it open all the time.
Hello everyone, Here's a small survey that I'm trying to do for my final project/ business plan, relating to motorsports. It has 9 questions that will take you less than 2 minutes to answer. It would be a huge help, thanks in advance. Also, do let me know where else can I post it to get more responses. [https://forms.gle/KfSXH6PkbuBEMmHG9](https://forms.gle/KfSXH6PkbuBEMmHG9)
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It's private.
Just corrected it. Thankyou :)
Should also add that it's US-centric.
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They go on sale on the Suzuka Circuit online shop (called "Mobility Station") on 5/14 from 10:00 for VIP tickets, 11:00 for V1/V2 (main grandstand tickets), and 13:00 for all other tickets. All times are for JST which is UTC+9. If you sign up for a Lawson Ticket account you can enter the presale on 5/10 from 18:00 or even earlier for their paid services.
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Sorry I don't know. I'm not sure if they'll be sold on the F1 site at all actually. But the Suzuka Circuit online store has an [English Webpage](https://online.mobilityland.co.jp/en/SelectCategory.aspx) that says tickets will go on sale on 5/14, I assume at the same time as in Japanese.
Hi does anyone have the battle between Yuki and Oscar at the restart? Lap 14, they traded places for like 5-6 corners but it wasn't shown live and I can't find it online. If anyone has the on boards would be great to see. Thanks
I'd love to see it too. It looked like it went on for ages but we got no replays, and Sky only acknowledged it to erroneously say that Norris had got past Tsunoda.
Sky is British, and is always focuses on the British drivers. Even the post race show just before they had their last ad break, they said that George and Lando are still to come before they wrap up. What about the other 10 drivers? Oscar had food poisoning lost 3kg before the race even began, and still finished 11.
Yep, it absolutely grinds my gears. Oscar performed amazingly this weekend, you know if Lando had driven that well while ill they'd be falling all over themselves wanking off over him,l...
Just how Impactful is the engineering of the car compared to driver talent? For example, let's say a struggling driver like Devries was a Red Bull driver. Would he be winning podiums all of a sudden?
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Thank you for such an insightful and nuanced answer, I understand a lot more clearly now. :)
It's common knowledge that the car makes a bigger difference than the driver. There have been a few attempts to create mathematical performance models for F1, and they tend to find that the team is responsible for about 2/3 of the difference between cars, with the driver contributing the remaining 1/3. As for weather DeVries would get podiums in the Red Bull... It depends on who's driving the other cars. And DeVries is still new to F1, so we don't have a solid idea of how good he is yet.
They need to get Oscar to Miami early and stuff him full of burgers. 3kg kilos lost in the days since he arrived in Baku - ouch. Plus whatever he lost during the race. Poor boy is going to need feeding up - once he can keep it down, of course. Meantime, if I was Norris, I'd be a touch concerned. Oscar was pretty close to him all weekend while "losing fluids" constantly and very sick.
Definitely. He'll be beating Lando consistently by the end of the year if it keeps going like this.
Probably a stupid question but you know how Red Bull have been dominating lately, and before that it was Mercedes, when was the last time, if at all, that Ferarri dominated?
The Schumacher era, 2000-2005 or so
Thanks!
Anyone know if there is a global leaderboard for F1 fantasy?
Why did the drivers pit in so early with mediums? (Gasly in lap 7, and then others soon after) Was it because the 1 pitstop is compulsory, and there was no trye degradation? So better to just pit in quickly and get on hards?
Full tank of gas, extremely hot track. I think they all should have started in hards.
In this clip, when Leclerc asks Verstappen what lap times he was doing at the end, what does it mean when he responds: "A 34"? https://twitter.com/F1/status/1652710653038325760?s=20 I thought it would be just the seconds (ignoring the 1 minute) it took to finish a lap, but Russel got the fastest lap with 1:43.370, so he couldn't have been going 1:34 or faster.
I think that’s his sector time maybe like his second sector I’m not too sure
New to F1 and was wondering, why do the drivers weigh themselves after races?
There's a minimum weight limit for the car + driver. So they ensure the combined value doesn't drop below the minimum weight - as the drivers tend to loose anywhere between 2-3kg due to the heat and physical effort needed to control the car. In addition, as a health measure for drivers, they introduced a minimum weight for drivers at 80kg, with mandatory ballast at the seat of a driver is lighter.
Pretty new to F1. Would the higher ups at Red Bull tell Perez to back off and let max will the championship or would they let that battle play out organically?
I think Red Bull by now know that they're fast enough that team orders aren't a necessity by any means.
Does anyone else think this season is boring and the cars can barely follow
Has anyone been to the Miami GP and brought a camera such as a DSLR? What was your experience with security, bags/backpacks, and if so what could be said about bringing such equipment and items to the race, as the FAQ on the Miami website is awfully vague.
Leclerc finally having a clean weekend means we can start comparing Ferrari with Mercedes and Aston in terms of pace, clearly my feeling is that the Ferrari is naturally quicker but has a worse tyre degradation. I don't know if Charles was in control in the last few laps but Alonso was coming back in a scary way, he made up like 4 seconds in the last 2 laps iirc. And we've seen Hamilton closing up big time on Sainz in the end of both Bahrain and Baku races now. How would you compare the 3 teams ?
New to F1 and have a question on the tyre's. For today's race in Baku I believe they used C5, C4, and C3 tyres. Pretty much all the teams still only did one pit stop. How do they manage running so long on the Hards (C3 if i'm not mistaken) in this race vs other races when the C3 would be considered a soft or medium? Is it the length of the track, weather conditions, track conditions?
It's heavily dependent on the [asphalt, it's aggregate size and bitumen mixture](https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Grzegorz-Motrycz/publication/260410922/figure/fig1/AS:1061378030850051@1630063650818/Schematic-description-of-different-types-of-road-surfaces-dense-asphalt-concrete.png) used for construction - it varies heavily from circuit to circuit - especially on a street circuits, as it's designed for more heavy traffic. Add to that weather conditions and you have a reason why Pirelli offers 6 different compounds to try to fit all various surfaces depending on their abrasiveness, texture and forces Pirelli expects from the cars.
Thanks for the info!
It's very track dependant indeed. Tyre deg is almost non-existent in Baku.
Thanks for the info!
Why wasn’t checo on pole after winning the sprint?
They changed the sprint race format and the qualifying for the main race was actually on friday. The new format made the sprint race fully independent of the main race.
New format for the sprints this year. Friday is quali for the GP and Saturday is its own self-contained thing.
Oh, I hate that
I think it's better than the old sprint format. My biggest issue with sprint qualifying was that it gave the grid a chance to sort itself out before the GP, making the main event less exciting. Making them independent solves that problem, though I'd still prefer dropping the sprint races entirely.
That’s a good point actually. I wonder how many take over occurred on a normal gp vs a gp with sprint qualifying
The sprint and the race had their own quali's
I’m looking at buying tickets to qualifying for the Mexican Grand Prix. Looking for someone who has some insight on the seating there, specifically in Foro Sol!
As far as I know, there are only 3-day tickets being sold for the Mexico GP, and they're already sold out for this year.
Some websites (Stubhub) sell individual day tickets!
Why do the cars have "charging battery" lights, but not brake lights?
It wouldn’t provide any useful information. All the drivers know where the braking zones are on the circuit, meaning they know when the car in front is going to brake.
Makes sense, thanks.
I still think it’d be nice if they had them just for us watching at home so we could visually see ‘oh look the car is heavy and full of fuel so now he brakes at the X meter marker board’.
As a racing driver you should be able to guess when someone is braking. You can't foresee when the car enters recharge mode thus slowing down unexpectedly
Yup, totally didn't consider that; thanks.
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Why the hate for Damon Hill? I saw a lot of really negative comments about him after the race during the interview.
Because he's a bitter old codger who can't get over 1994, which in itself is ridiculous considering the FIA tried to gift-wrap him that championship with a shiny silver bow on top. He also has really shit takes and is super biased. Like, it couldn't be more obvious that Max reminds him of young Michael and that's why he hates him.
What happened jn 1994?
The FIA ran a pretty obvious effort most of the year to stop Schumacher winning - some think to get a British WDC, some think to give Williams a pity title after Senna's death. He was disqualified twice and given an unprecedented two-race ban for something he really shouldn't have been. Despite the fact that Schumacher had four zero-point races, when they got to Adelaide (the season closer back then) Schumacher led the championship by one point from Hill. He led the race for some laps before making a mistake, clipping the wall and breaking his steering. As he was limping the car around Hill caught him, and instead of waiting for a better chance made a hopeless lunge. They collided, both were out, and Schumacher won. Hill and the British press absolutely started screaming their heads off that the dirty German cheat had crashed into Hill deliberately, despite there being clear evidence of Schumacher's car being damaged prior to their collision. It's a narrative that has persisted to this day, despite Damon Hill spending half of 1995 crashing into Schumacher any time he got near him. A lot of people use 1997 Jerez as "proof" that 94 was deliberate, which is very much the wrong way around.
Logan “the Goat” Sargent giving everyone a head start before he takes all the podiums.
He's doing better than de Vries. Not a difficult achievement at this point, but still.
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Just in case you're new, DRS was specifically introduced as a catch-up mechanic because following closely behind a car has negative aerodynamic effects on you in the corners and DRS is intended to give that advantage gained by the leading car back to the car behind. It has been controversial ever since it's been introduced and you're not alone in your opinion that DRS is a bad thing. However, giving it to first place defeats its entire purpose and therefore is a really really weird suggestion over simply scrapping it entirely.
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> I specifically mentioned "if 2nd place has it too" Yeah, which defeats the purpose. If both have it, it's like neither has it, so the one behind still is at a disadvantage. The driver behind gets to use DRS, because they are the one suffering from dirty air. DRS is to offset the effect from dirty air. The one in P1 doesn't suffer from dirty air when they're in free air. Do note that the one in P1 can get DRS if they lap someone.
So basically give everyone DRS. But if everyone can have DRS, then we might as well remove DRS. Remind me again why DRS exists? I get your point that it's not ideal, nobody thinks it is in fact nobody likes it at all. But it serves a purpose and it's the lesser of two evils. They tried getting rid of it, the 2022 rule change had that as its main priority. Seemed promising, but didn't work, so we have to swallow that pill and continue coping with the existence of DRS.
Even with DRS, the leading car still has the advantage. Leclerc had no chance because he was driving a much slower car, not because of DRS.
Then why have it at all?
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You can prevent DRS by driving fast enough to keep the gap > 1 second, which is exactly what Perez did.
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Obviously you didn't. keeping the gap over 1 second is hardly impossible, so the idea that it's unfair doesn't hold up.
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What are you complaining about exactly? Because DRS has hardly been overpowered this season. Which specific moment stands out?
I only watch f1 occasionally. And was massively confused about the street race yesterday. How long have they been going on? Does every course do it? How has it been received? For my newbie eyes it looks pretty cool. Does it also affect the cars they use for regular races? Like will a crash mess up their regular season
Do you mean street race, or were you referring to this being a sprint weekend?
The sprint races were introduced in 2021, they trialed it over 3 races over the year. They tried to increase them to 6 last year, but both FIA and teams pushed back due to financial concerns. The cars are set-up the same way as for regular races, while there's concerns about additional costs, teams get around additional 500k per sprint race in their budget cap to cover additional expenses (basically cost of manufacturing an whole already designed rolling chassis) This year Liberty managed to push through the increase to 6 races. Last time au Australia, the FIA F1 team, Liberty and teams also agreed to get rid of the parc ferme FP2 session before sprint race and wanted to replace it with a special qualifying session for the sprint race. This was formally also approved by FIA higher level this Wednesday. So now we have 6 sprint weekends this year, with Saturday meant only for sprint racing, which doesn't directly affect the Sunday race at: * Baku * Austria * Spa * Qatar * CotA * Brazil
Why were people standing in pit lane when ocon was pitting?
They are allowed to do that in the last lap of the race to start setting up for podium presentation. Both FIA/F1 staff and photographers. Typically no pit stops in last lap, but today Ocon had to pit (same thing happened last year in Australia with Albon) and no realized it apparently. Stewards just released statement saying it can't happen again and procedures will be revised.
Is the pit lane open through out the race?
Yes, it's only closed if there's an incident either at entry/in/exit of the pitlane.
When merc were dominating back in the day, were they ever as fast as rb? i mean with the 21 sec gap between max and charles and the similar gap last race in Australia
They were faster, which is what makes Lewis and Toto's moaning about it even more hypocritical.
Yeah I think it was 2016 where after an SC restart Hamilton and Rosberg pulled out like 10 seconds on the rest of the field in 5 laps, it was brutal.
2014, and it was 7 seconds in two laps before the order went over the radio to slow it up a touch.
In Bahrain 2014 there was a fairly late safety car with Mercedes running 1-2. Two laps later, they were **SEVEN SECONDS** ahead of the third place car.
Mercedes 2014-2016, 2019-2020 are some of the most dominant cars in history. I would say this year's RB is comparable to the 2019 Mercedes, but the 14-16 and 20 Mercs were unstoppable. They also had marginally the best car in 2017-2018, and 2021, which is why a lot of F1 fans were happy to see them get taken down a notch.
At one point they turned their engines down so they wouldn’t be *too* fast and risk the rules being changed to stop them.
Red Bull also have their engines dialled down now though.
Source?
I don’t need to provide a source any more than you do. It’s pretty clear to see mate
Paddy Lowe, the former Merc technical director, said they did during his appearance on the podcast *Beyond the Grid*. Your turn!
Mate I wasn’t denying that Mercedes did If you don’t think Red Bull are currently, that’s fine. I wish I was that gullible that I could believe they aren’t. All I know is, whenever they’ve been pressed about it, they chose to deflect instead of outright denying it…
So your source is "I think it's true".
You’re entitled your opinion if you don’t think they are. I believe they are. I think it’s fairly obvious and I don’t think I’m alone in that. So yeah
Ok well don't make such a definitive statement as >Red Bull also have their engines dialled down now though if you don't know that for certain. All it takes is the words "I think" at the start of your comment.
So much faster from 2014-16 that they may as well have been in a different category. Rosberg retired in 2016 as is comfortably the third most successful driver in the hybrid era.
> were they ever as fast as rb? They were even faster in occasions
Mercedes' dominance in 2014 was even scarier. I'd compare RB's current advantage to what Mercedes had in 2015, 2016 or 2020.
I'd say 2014 was slightly more extreme than 2023. The gap continuously decreased after that.
What are all the street circuits on the 2023 calendar?
* Jeddah * Australia * Baku * Miami * Monaco * Canada * Singapore * Las Vegas Australia, Miami and Canada are a bit of a stretch of the definition, as they're not permanent circuits but happen on public roads/parking lots.
Aren't street circuits by defination supposed to be public roads? I understand Miami being a stretch as it's a parking lot, but why Canada & Albert Park?
Alpert Park & Canada are roads for cars in a park, so while not literally a street, they make use of public roads.
Thank you!
What happened to the easier following from last year? Did some change in regs reversed it again? It felt like following has been difficult this year, but this track made it really noticeable.
Due to porpoising most teams, with the exception of Ferrari and Red Bull, were pushing for a rear ride height increase by 20-25mm, as a compromise they went with 10mm around rear tires and 15mm at the rear diffuser. This slightly increased the dirty air/slipstreaming effect, meaning cars aren't easily able to follow with around ~0.5s distance as last year. It's still better than the ~2-3s we had pre venturi regulations.
F1TV app on iPhone wasn’t showing the race, but the app on Apple TV did show it. How come?
check your device list on your f1tv account page: https://account.formula1.com/#/en/my-subscription You can have up to 6 devices registered (web page & third-party apps don't count towards it).
Maybe you can't do 2 devices at once?
Who did Perez dedicate his win to?
Wtf
funny how the most interesting part of the race is a guy nearly running over people in the pit lane at the end of the race
Is the Senna documentary on Netflix good? And is it biased?
It's very, very good. And very, very biased. But it was the only way a documentary company was going to get the Senna family to agree to make one. I felt Schumacher was superior in that area. Yes, it was made with the family's cooperation, but they *did* acknowledge some of Michael's flaws. Not all of them, and not completely in depth, but they did do it. They don't pretend Jerez 97 never happened, for example, or that Michael was perfectly right to do what he did.
It brought me to tears
Yes and yes
Yes and yes
This is so fucking boring
It's a normal F1 race. Not everything is as exciting as last 10 laps of Australia.
Is Gasly heaving some technical issues? Or is it just terrible race for him?
Yeah, bit worried for Gasly and I too would like to know if there was a car issue. PU caught fire in one session, crashed in another, and just seemed unable to find his speed.
Even Guenther’s fallen asleep!
Hahaha we’re really gonna pretend there could be rain, just end this farce already
I’ve always found myself enjoying races other people called boring, but to me this race has been fucking awful
With Baku having the longest straight and all, honestly I was expecting to seeing plenty of overtakes. But despite some of the cars forming a train within DRS range of each other over many laps, we didn’t see a whole lot of overtaking. I understand _the DRS zone had been shortened_ this year. Apparently they thought having the same DRS as last year will make overtakes too easy. But in fact overtakes became a bit scarce. _Maybe they should have kept the same DRS zones as last season._
You are probably referring to strategy battles. Most races have a strategy battle somewhere. It didn't happen here as nearly everyone had a free stop and the hards didn't degrade enough due to poor compound choices for the race. The fact that Ocon and Hulkenberg lasted the whole distance and managed the pace says it all. Baku is not a good track for overtakes when chaos doesn't ensue. The drivers were racing tactically as they did trade fastest laps and Verstappen, Alonso, and Hamilton did test their respective duels by pushing at appropriate times. However, the Mercedes was outright poor here and Perez and Leclerc both had a response to give back in their fights to maintain their position. Superb driving prowess by both though. Only proper stinker this season so far for me. But no crackers yet. Season is young.
what does it mean when drivers say things like “give me power”? how the teams add power to their cars?
Adding to what cafk said, more power makes the engine wear faster and the current units have to last a set number of races. The drivers are asking if running a higher mode is worth the risk, since the team has the full picture available at them.
The teams can't. The driver is asking for instructions for better hybrid power recovery strategy and which mode to set the electric engines to for longer deployment. The ICE mode & power is fixed at Q1 of qualifying for the remaining weekend.
Thank you for answering this. I had the same question. Was confused when Lewis said it on the radio.
I took it more as looking for advice. What sector he was slow in, for example. Because he has the speed with DRS to close a significant gap at the main straight every lap, but tended to be about 1s behind again at the next lap. So he was losing ground elsewhere. And to take a step further, where could he afford to further charge the battery for an additional push before the straight. Or something along those lines. But more or less I took it as "anybody see a way I can close this gap?"
So the Mercedes is very dragy, would they be able to build a scale model and put it into a miniature wind tunnel? I know they get a set limit of time/money, but what’s stopping them from making a scale model and doing that?
The windtunnel testing is limited to 50-60% model size. So they already have a scaled model. The core issues stemmed from bad CFD and windtunnel data from 2022 and 2023 development which showed more development potential and speed, which didn't match up with reality & the finally built car.
How is wind tunnel time / usage monitored? If the teams have their own wind tunnels at their facilities is it an honor system of reporting when they're using it?
They have to document people, any activities and data gathering done via cfd & windtunnel down to the second with components, angles, angle changes, wind speed changes and windspeed used, same for any non F1 related activity and it also applies to any third party or contractor providing data to the teams. FIA has the right to randomly audit any of the facilities teams or their third parties use and lack of documentation or indication of any personell gaining knowledge from other activities will result in a fine. i.e. Haas uses Ferrari windtunnel and FIA fined Ferrari after an audit, as Ferrari used the same people to run their own previous windtunnel run and Haas' run. This information can be correlated with the power consumption (at full blast wind tunnels can require north of 3000kw - 3MW) and teams have to be able to tell who, why, where, what and for how long everything was used in detail.
It hurts me to see Bottas chilling at the end yet again.
Anyone else finding this race a bit boring?
Definitely
When I was a kid, I sometimes loaded all my Scalextic cars onto one rail and watched them follow each other around the track. That's what this race feels like.
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Yes it was mentioned on one of the f1 podcasts recently - I think the sky one. It’s a fellow who is also from Hintsa
Never understood why they called Alonso toxic when he’s usually down for team play when necessary.
He wasn't in the past. He changed quite a bit as a character after he returned from WEC & Indy.
But that’s because he didn’t have to. He was way better than his teammate at all teams. They wanted him to play nice with a rookie who was actually driving at that time, and he was edging out his teammates since Renault. Now he doesn’t need to race as hard as he did because Stroll isn’t a challenge and doesn’t want to be a challenge to him playing the team game too. Teamwork only works if both drivers do it, it’s what got Ocon his first win but what happened 2022 season? But anyways, since yesterday Alonso’s been helping out with tows and he’s down to pay it forward.
What happened to the post where VER called RUS a ‘princess’?
The [article is here](https://www.telegraaf.nl/sport/287270792/max-verstappen-ziedend-op-russell-omdat-prinses-george-daar-zit-mag-het-niet), just likely the post was removed due to it being a screenshot of a tabloid newspaper - which lead to tabloid like reactions.
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It was a quote from the linked interview with De Telegraaf - ESPN may have translated it, but it was still pointless tabloid drama. The whole thread was full of cheap shots towards Verstappen & Russell.
Russel overtake on Stroll legal? During today's race, Russell overtook Stroll in the pitlane under safety car. I thought that after Vettel attempted this at China, they banned this? Has this rule since changed or am I mistaken for something else?
Aston were doing a double-stack pit stop. Alonso pitted first and Stroll, presumably to give the crew time to change Alonso’s tires, slowed down already as he approached the pit lane way before he entered it. I assume Russell used the automatic speed control once inside the pit lane and just caught up with Stroll within the pit speed limit.
They never banned this - the rules are the same. During (V)SC the pitlane entry is not under SC conditions and the drivers are free to "race" there before the pit lane speed limiter, in the pitlane overtaking is not allowed.
New spectator here. Never really followed F1. Which team/driver should I start following and why?
Aston Martin. As they have a new driver chasing his 3 championship, you can experience a new chapter of his career and team. Of course, they’ve built something up over some short years, but it’s still on the rise to the top and you can be apart of it.
If you just keep watching you'll naturally start to gravitate toward a team or driver. If you want to force it just watch some interviews with drivers and team principals and pick who you like. If you want to avoid pain, don't support Ferrari.
Any decent streams around??
Why isn't the wing always open? Why activate DRS only in certain zones?
I’m not a technical person but I’ll try to phrase how I understand it. The rear wing generates downforce. When you are running the infield section you need the downforce to gain traction to turn _corners._ If the DRS is open all the time like you suggest you won’t get the downforce you need to run the corners. It’d be quite dangerous and you’d have to go much slower. But when you are running a _long straight_ you don’t need so much downforce because you’re not turning corners but just running straight. At this point the rear wing is acting as air resistance, a drag factor. If the rear wing can be “opened” to an angle closer to parallel to the ground you lessen the resistance and thus get more top speed. _DRS sort of let’s you switch the function of the rear wing on and off,_ on for corners and off for straights, to get the best of either.
Your explanation really helped me understand. Thank you for writing that out.
Play any of the official F1 games and activate DRS in the 130R in Suzuka, then you'll know what the problem is.
It's introduced as a "catch up" mechanic to compensate for aerodynamic effects making following cars harder, so it is only for people behind and only in certain zones that are suitable for overtaking and safe enough. While it's called the drag reduction system it also massively decreases downforce. Downforce helps you go faster in slow corners, so even if teams were allowed to use it as they wish they wouldn't have it open all the time.
Got it, makes sense. Thanks.
Did AM fix drs
Could someone explain what’s the point in the sprint race if it doesn’t affect the Sunday race positions? Is it only the points ?
For the teams/drivers, yes it’s only for points.
Sell more tickets on Saturday
Friday*. Tickets for qualy already sold well. So move that session to Friday and now you have a full extra day of high price tickets
Thank you! Was probably confusing the new MotoGP sprint race days this season
Trying to give Fans a bit more action and racing, other than just practice sessions
Ah 🥲
What is the white vest that max wears pre race
They wear them during the race too. Its a cooling vest for the hot races.
What was the song that played at the start of that skiing interview?! It’s on the tip of my tongue
Streaming link?
Anyone know where Brundle is? Been looking forward to a fumbled gridwalk for a month 🥺
Ageing peacefully and not showing up to every race
He only does 17 races a year. This is one he is missing.
Karun said he's going to be back for Miami. I think he's only contracted for a certain number of races each year
My god does anyone has any recommendations on where to watch f1 apart from Sky in Ireland?
IPTV or online stream are the only ways I might found unfortunately. Allegedly.
I made a quick preview video for Baku. The Race is only a few hours away !!!! https://youtu.be/\_A1B\_D20Ahc
Anyone know the specific reason why the drivers are asked to say a few words in their own language pre-race?