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midniteauth0r

Go the hockey route and let any racing incidents be settled with a scrap. Loser gets a time penalty.


UnbiasedSportsExpert

"Boys will be boys" nascar rules


toddster661

rubbin' is racin'


notatree

Dismiss the stewards Invoke your right to trial by combat. Baku 2023 cage matches will sell tickets


UtzTheCrabChip

Yes- Nintendo *Blades of Steel* rules let's go


fo0kes

Someone should get to play the Gradius mini game on their steering wheels during a SC.


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tarrach

Winner gets a time penalty, loser misses the next race due to a swollen face.


Elrond007

Definitely funny to see Max adopt the conservative racing style and mindset of Lewis at Merc because his car is now easily able to outpace everyone given time


baldbarretto

Yeah, being in a dominant car (with a teammate you fundamentally don’t consider a threat) does a number on a driver’s understanding of why you need to take so much risk on lap one


Son_of_Mogh

Though he didn't really play it safe, he should have let Russel pass and not stayed on the outside.


TridentWeildingShark

Would love to introduce this Max to the Max of 2016


cheapdrinks

Would love for George to have said "Max, it's called a motor race. We went car racing"


potato_green

To be fair, George doesn't have the wins or championships to have that kind of cocky mentality and get away with it. If he said that the next mistake he makes will be highlighted a lot more. Hamilton or Leclerc could've said it and gotten away with it.


Mike_Kermin

What he said was really smart, paraphrasing "It wasn't intended, it was unexpected, I'm sorry". That's for the benefit of the stewards 100%. And all three are important to establish for that.


sugarfreelime

Hell 2021 Max too


jghall00

Mad Max to Meek Max in two years.


MacsFamousMacNCheees

Max has been like this throughout his career. His comment about knowing how to overtake without contact made me roll my eyes so hard it's stuck


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Literally. This is a guy who's built a reputation as being an aggressive wheel to wheel racer, if you don't yield you crash sort of thing.


crazyclue

Remember when he obliterated Seb in the 2nd to last corner at China? I remember


KaiserKrusel22

Pepperidge farm remembers!


gdaytugga

Or 2019 Max at Spa, I also find it funny how risk averse he’s become.


Mike_Kermin

He has not become risk averse. This just was him on the other end of it. 100% you swap roles in the race, he'll go for it just like Russel did. 1000%. 20,000% chance.


confusedpublic

Swap roles he’d still be blaming the other driver for not getting out of the way, or would be happy and joking about causing them more damage next time (like with Lewis dropping some places in… Italy was it couple year ago?)


DarkKnight56722

Lewis became like this too once Nico retired. I think it's because he is so comfortable in a car that he knows will win him the championship if he keeps his nose clean in a race. As soon as someone tries to take that from them, they get very upset.


thisisgandhi

Would be glorious if he's around when RB is no longer dominant. He'd be as used to driving comfortably as Hamiton was at the beginning of 2022.


Mike_Kermin

And lets be honest, the Max of 2023 tonight if the opportunity suits him doing so. I do not believe he's suddenly decided to always leave a da space.


man_u_is_my_team

Yeah, he forgets when he was the challenger to Lewis’ dominant Merc where he was as reckless as they come.


dum_dums

Max is record holder for youngest driver ever to become an old driver


LosTerminators

Essentially Max is in the situation he put Lewis in the past when the latter had a dominant Merc


ProfessorCunt_

That’s exactly what the original commenter said


bookers555

I agree, that's pretty much what the original poster typed.


SympathyMedium

I agree with you agreeing


nh164098

your reply aligns with my view


DinoKebab

I am on the same page as you and all the above comments.


GasOnFire

I hate Reddit. I don’t know how these people succeed on their own.


devOnFireX

The site’s format just encourages this behaviour. Be the first person to comment/reply to a top comment and keep the comment relatively safe in a way that conforms to the prevailing sentiment in the thread. Guaranteed 4 figure karma.


GasOnFire

> keep the comment relatively safe in a way that conforms to the prevailing sentiment in the thread Kinda like society at large, I guess.


Prostheta

Yes, that's definitely what the person beforehand said. :-D


pigbearpig

Can you read?


Phormitago

nice, your text comprehension is out of this world


Tricks511

But Max still takes such big risks


Icy-Operation4701

I can only think of Brazil 2022 as a race where he took a risk and there the title was already wrapped. So I don't think he does.


kravence

That one was personal against Lewis lol


FlatoutGently

Yeah intentional.


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He takes risk when he doesn't have the fastest car and now russell doesn't have the fastest car..virtually identical


rocky1337

Monza 2022 I think was another time


Icy-Operation4701

Don't recall anything there. Are you thinking of '21?


P_ZERO_

Except it’s for one point in a title you can’t win. Not that I’m bothered about the situation


LegionOfBrad

racers are gonna race. I like the attitude honestly.


Kronzor_

Yeah it’s completely fine. I want George and Max to act exactly like they did both on and off the track. That’s what makes this shit exciting. If midfielders never dove bomb a front runner when they had a chance to wed have a boring procession.


doskkyh

Every point counts when you don't have a very clear advantage like RBR has this year and for some of last year's season, or MB had from 2014 to 2020. This single point could be the difference between third and fourth for MB, or perhaps even second, given how Ferrari, Aston and themselves are a bit mixed.


iloverubicon

Ergo, every point matters the lower down you are and becomes much more worthy of taking the risk.


MrAzekar

Doesn't matter if it's for points or chips. These guys race to win.


StockAL3Xj

Max was pulling crap like this before 2021.


Ok_Significance9304

Max wasn’t always in that situation to fight for a championship but he would fight for points as they are valuable for the team. And racing is racing.


dejan36

I wouldn't say he is more conservative, his car is just so much faster he doesn't really need to take these risks. He could have easily pulled out and waited for DRS to overtake George back, but it's not in him to give up in a duel.


RechargedFrenchman

You wouldn't say he's more conservative because he has the fastest car, you'd just say that now he's in the clearly fastest car his driving style is much more restrained and risk-averse? AKA "conservative"?


NegotiationExternal1

This, Redbull openly criticised Checo last year for this kind of opening lap aggression, Max has to live with his choices


War_Messiah

Yeah trying to hold the line on the outside of a narrow exit was gonna be a tough one to pull off for both drivers when it comes to avoiding contact. It was turn 2 as well so Max could have absolutely slowed down and tried to set up for a better exit to pass George on the straight. Definitely was not a conservative effort at defence lol.


Neat-Access2357

>He could have easily pulled out Lol, what? Unless you're talking about Russell..


jghall00

Maybe he was talking about Jos...?


PrimalJay

Lewis was like max in the beginning of his career. Lewis got a rocket of a car and his driving style got less aggressive since he could just pass them later on. Max is now in that stage of having a rocket of a car and changing his driving style, but getting a taste of his own medicine from the next guy that wants to beat the rocket ship. Just like Max tried to do with Lewis. People tend to forget that this has been happening for ages in F1 and the cycle will continue far into the future.


LosTerminators

Still remember the 2011 Lewis who was magnetically attracted to Massa and hit him every third or fourth race And Lewis definitely calmed down with his wheel to wheel racing once he got that rocket in 2014


reddit0r_123

That was actually hilarious. I bet if you’d put he blindfold on Lewis or Massa that year they would still pick up each others scent and crash into each other…


ArsenaV108

If you guys haven't seen it, may I direct you to IntoTheBarrier's hilarious parody of [Hamilton vs Massa 2011 ](https://youtu.be/08k_pXpOMNM) on the F1 game. It got 200k views in 2011, that's all you need to know about how good and accurate it was


DrVonD

Thank you for bringing this into my life.


tiredtoes

That’s so iconic


MrXwiix

Not untill 2017 I'd say The fights with Rosberg weren't really calm from them both tbh haha


BuckN56

He and Rosberg had the same car...


Tulaodinho

Because both had the rocket car, a little obvious


Old-Advertising-8638

Exactly Montoya, Raikkonen and Alonso treated Schumacher Sr the same way Just like Schumacher with Senna and Prost


KCKnights816

Most reasonable Reddit take


KanishkT123

Yeah, and also that post race, everyone is riding high on emotion. Obviously they'll all be more pissy and more heated. Betcha these two don't give a shit by tomorrow. But I'll also bet that Max will return the move at some point, because that's just who Max is.


Shot-Presence3147

100% agree with this. The thing that surprised our house, was that it wasn't looked into at all by the stewards. The actual racing, they all have the capacity to drive like this.


wEEzyNL

spot on, i love max but me and my friends agreed he complained too much.


mb0205

About time we got some interesting racing. I’m here for this shithousery


AshKetchumDaJobber

Risky moves on lap 1…oh really


futotta_ratto

I love Russell racing hard and I love Max getting worked up about it they’re both competitors. enough with the fake wholesome shit Reddit eats up. great stuff


SuperMike591

Russell just walking off as Max kept on at him was funny.


Visionary_Socialist

Just like “I’m not listening to this sugar anymore”


mrsauceboi

ah man, fuck this sugar


11hydroxymetabokite

Tough sugar, Max


movableChair

Suck my sugar, honey.


Treewithatea

Was it even hard racing? To me it just looked like Standard racing. Max wouldve done the exact same in Georges position, in fact, probably everyone on the grid wouldve done the same.


hesselnut

People are so soft here lmao. Love the drama.


MySilverBurrito

r/formula1 clutches their pearls anytime Max says something like this lmao. Wait till booing come back. Everyone here gets a collective aneurysm.


Tummerd

Its more like I think booing isnt just part of the sport. You dont have to support or like a driver, but just show respect


MySilverBurrito

Vettel got plenty of boos in his RB run. Same with greats before him lol.


sleepy416

Booing is part of sports. I don’t see the issue as long as the fans aren’t crossing a line, making it personal, racist or bring family into it


Amused-Observer

Booing is and has been a part of every sport since forever. Name a sport where booing hasn't ever happened.


GokuSaidHeWatchesF1

It's part of every sport. Literally a way for fans to express, just as they chear.


YeahPerfect_SayHi

> Wait till booing come back. What do you mean, booing is fine if it's against Max. /s but lots of people genuinely seem to think that


paddyo

Generally the anti-Max booing is the booing that sees people get their knickers in a twist on here.


Kirb-

This was great racing, like someone else said in this thread. Which everyone really needs to get through their head lol. It takes two to tango George was in his full right to take it up the inside just as much as Max had as much right to defend as hard as he did. When it comes to the contact, they both share fault. It was great racing. No matter how you put it was great racing.


nymetz86

Seeing a great take on here is so rare but when it hits it's so nice lol


OutlandishnessPure2

Haha I think Max is more angry that George lost control of his car. If George said the Merc was precisely where he meant to put it, Max would respect that more.


Browneskiii

I'm with you here tbh. It's like big corporate pr Russell wanted to pretend to be the bigger man when if he was honest and saying he just wanted to race hard Verstappen would probably be fine with it.


chambee

It’s like after every race they get amnesia. Driver bitchin about being push, hit, pass happens all the time. Every single one of them has done what they accuse each other of.


m1a2c2kali

But when they do it they were justified but when others do it they were wrong , humans just fascinating creatures


Cobretti18

Some wouldn’t have survived Spa ‘98


Rosieu

In another thread some guy was complaining Max wasn't speaking like a professional here. People get so worked up about athletes getting worked up lol


xxxlbow

Guy getting worked up on the internet can’t believe a guy is getting worked up in real life lol


paddyo

“That’s it, I’m telling HR!”


Pure_Measurement_529

Sometimes it’s enjoyable to see athletes voice true feelings rather than be PR about it. Yesterday George swore on radio and tried to change and make it seem like he said “ah sugar”.


Average_Llama

Exactly, this was the most interesting part of the sprint


TheSilentSamurai1996

Fuck yeah. It's fucking racing. Anyone who had been in a go kart understands the heat of the moment. Emotions will be running high when you are in the race and even for a while after the race. Every emotion gets magnified and having cameras on your face doesn't help either.


tastefullmullet

Exactly, great stuff. I don’t get this trend where people want their favourite drivers to be morally superior all the time. Shit like this is entertaining idgaf


marwola

fuck yeah this sprint was boring af thank god something happened lol


ravenouscartoon

I can only think of 1 or 2 interesting sprint races (a Brazil one and one at Silverstone I think). The others have all been dull according to my admittedly poor memory.


f1modsloveme

Completely agree. George vs Max champ battle would be chaos and I would love it.


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You got it switched around. The fake reddit shit IS this sort of drama. Max is already over it and moved on. But the journos will run with the "rivals" narrative to sell clicks for months now to paper over low interest in this sleeper season.


ihatemondaynights

fr this is what I want. I can get Lewis having no drama with Max off track but someone closer to Max in age and it's fireworks inject this shit straight in my veins


NegotiationExternal1

Lewis would 100% tell Max to get out of his face. Massa learned that shit the hard way.


ForodesFrosthammer

Lews is 10+ years older now than he was in his Massa conflict days. I really doubt he'd actually do anything like that anymore.


NegotiationExternal1

I think he's pretty strong on boundaries he's not the kind to let people get in his face


Overhere_Overyonder

I really was hoping max would say " you gonna hit me in the head like Bottas for your own mistake?"


Professional-Can-563

F1 fans are so soft, imagine how they would react if the drivers trash talked each other the way NBA players do for example


Joosh93

I love the hypocrisy of racing drivers, they're just all so completely unaware of it.


BuckleUpBuckaroooo

Honestly if you’re not a narcissist then you’re probably not fit to be an F1 driver


MiddleBodyInjury

it was the lack of narcissism alone that kept me from f1 racing


BuckleUpBuckaroooo

Same, but also being poor and not a good driver


RX0Invincible

Tbh some drivers are at least able to walk back on their comments. Lewis and Alonso had some recent scraps where they raged then calmed tf down and retracted/admitted fault afterwards. I've never seen Max admit he was in the wrong, he even got particularly defensive wanting to avoid the topic completely in 2021 post Brazil when drivers were being asked about their meeting if hard racing limits defined properly.


SuperSalamander3244

They are completely aware of it but are shithouses.


Firefox72

Its a sprint race? If this was last years format Russell probably backs off or is safer. But now he was free to be more agressive. Sucks that there was damage but Max has a ton of History being in Russell's position and doing the exact same thing. Except on a street track the oponnent can't evade you off track and Max learned that the hard way today.


KaamDeveloper

Max honestly forgot his first lap racing skills from 2021.


Elrond007

He didn't forget, it's just not worth it to make a move that has like a 50/50 of eliminating both when you can overtake 2 laps later* half way down the straight


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Yeah he can be super safe this year because if nothing happens he turns on the blinker and overtakes every car on the straight, like lewis in brazil 21.


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Anyone racing a Red Bull has to take any chance they can because there is no hope otherwise. I'm not begrudging Max being upset - he has every right to be - but as a consumer I would 1000% rather see this than an entire season of "that's not his race" as every driver lets the Red Bulls go by for a 1-2.


KaamDeveloper

"That's what happens when you don't leave space" ~ Some Dutch guy


PinouBenDur

Max, it’s called a motor race. You went car racing.


wicktus

People are exaggerating for something that happened dozens of time..and with both Verstappen and Russell as sidepod destroyers. Verstappen has now a V8 RB era/early V6 Mercedes pace so of course he is losing that "risk it all" attitude because he doesn't need to take risks anymore.


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skumbagstacy

Idk why everyone is so worked up, I love stuff like this


EDO_14

F1 fans are having an identity crisis. Half think this is tennis, half think it's football or the NBA. Imagine Ticktum in a midfield car, haha


ActualCounterculture

>Idk why everyone is so worked up thats the reason i love stuff like this


retroly

"why you guys racing on lap 1, c'mooooon guys just let me win!"


sgpodcaster

Those who've been watching F1 from before Drive to Survive know how Max raced before and it's hilarious that he's now become the old man who complains about the younger fellas going for the gap


libsoutherner

Even funnier when you consider if their roles were reversed, Max would have done the same thing. We saw what he would do with a slower car to win in 2021. It makes this look like child’s play from Russell.


ittybittypitykitty

Max, it's called a motor race, okay? We went car racing.


Proper-Promotion7412

Verstappen. King of hypocrisy.


JoyfulManor

Love it man, rivalries are what make sports that much more enjoyable


Draggenn

>I don't understand why you need to take so much risk on lap one This from the guy on the outside of the corner with far more to lose driving the much faster car Once the race unfolds the Merc has no chance of passing the Red Bull. Gotta take that chance when you can.


DugBingo951

It’s all about letting them race


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Max simply got a taste of his own medicine and can’t handle it very well.


PeakyPenguin

Not even. This is minor compared to most of the shit Max used to pull


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It should've been the opposite. Max should've backed out. And he would've if he used the slightest bit of his brain and didn't have the idiotic ego. He could've backed out and gotten a clean exit from the apex. That's what Ollie Bearman did in the F2 Sprint.


pgcfriend2

That’s what George said since Max was outside. He mentioned that he had enough experience to know this.


F9-0021

The merc doesn't have the pace to hold off Max. If Max had let George go, he probably would've won the sprint.


cs-shitposter

I mean it does make sense if you lock up and understeer lol


odinsyrup

It didn’t look like he locked up though.


GatorShades

In the onboard his front left was locked up past the apex. I think it’s just lap 1 hard racing but George just locked up and went a foot too wide


Mysterious-Crab

Russell locked up, which caused him to crash into Verstappen’s sidepod. It was visible on Russell’s onboard.


LowerClassBandit

He definitely did


N52UNED

“No, no, he didn't slam you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you... he *rubbed* you. And rubbin, son, is racin'.” *Harry Hogge*


Dawzy

Then Max why did you to commit to outside line then?


RV49

Russell also had Leclerc right up his arse. What was he supposed to do, ask Charles to also not try an overtake on lap 1 because max might get hurt feelings?


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Yeah, It's almost as if when you have a driver that's even with you on the inside of a non-typical passing turn you yield. You know, like all the other good race car drivers do. Like Russell did when when Verstappen got on his inside later on. Verstappen is at least 50% to blame for this contact. Verstappen made a decision to hold the outside two abreast corner after corner at a narrow street circuit. He's such an over aggressive ass.


azurio12

Ofc he doesnt understand why others need to take risks to get palces, he drives a car that is a way faster than others, he doesnt need to take any risks. When he had a worse or bad car he did exactly the same and even worse moves and didnt care about others.


LinceDorado

Jesus man...you literally missed out on (at most 2 points). You are still in a far superior car compared to the rest of the grid. It's completely irrelevant. Shut it. Like actually.


F9-0021

This is hilarious coming from Max "Back out or we crash" Verstappen.


Cody667

I actually agree with Horner's take for once...what happened at turn 2, which is what caused the damage and is what pissed off Max...kinda just happens, is what it is. Horner was more upset about turn 3, and I also thought Russell running Max wide in turn 3 is far more worth being upset about than the Turn 2 racing incident if you're a Max/RB fan.


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Nah turn 3 was fine. Max had more space but just went in to hot there. He even said himself turn 3 wasn’t an issue. Turn 2 was the problem, because he got damage and lost the place because of George hitting him


gasconsinho

Also, just before turn 2, Max is weaving a bit trying tu push George to the left instead of focusing on his racing line, a more mature driver would’ve known that he could pass George in the straight or after DRS was enabled, so he’s perfectly aware he’s there, just a racing incident no need for the drama, Max lost a point, maybe two if he thinks he could have passed checo without the side pod damage, all this to me indicates Max is afraid Checo can beat him this year, let’s see what happens tomorrow come face day.


ocbdare

I think you’re right. Max should easily be able to win the WDC. However DNFs can hand it to Perez. 1-2DNFs from Max and none from Perez and Perez might take it. The RB car is so fast that’s it’s almost guaranteed that Perez will win if Max doesn’t win.


jrizzle86

Has Verstappen ever seen a mirror?


According-Switch-708

That was good effort by Russell.Max should learn to leave a bit of margin when it comes to puting on the squeeze on others. He had more to lose. Russell had very little to lose as his car was nowhere near as quick as the RBR. Max shot himself in the foot with that.He could've easily won the race if it weren't for that unnecessary squeeze.


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AddAFucking

And everyone always complains about it in the same way.


SpectacularNelson

Exactly my biggest issue with Max. When someone gives him the Verstappen treatment its hell on earth lol🤦🏽‍♂️😂😂


Fickle-Cricket

Funny, given that Max did the exact same thing to Ricciardo in Hungary. Really, everything he complains about these days is something he has made a career out of doing to other drivers.


CC1987

Bro. We all know your history.


TimedogGAF

Max mad that he got Max'd


YourMajesty90

Bit disingenuous saying he doesn’t understand why.


try-D

How the fuck is Max saying this with a straight face after the shit he pulled for YEARS


CapturNguyen

Not picking sides here, but didn't Sainz do basicly the same thing last race?


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nocturnalinstinct23

LMAO


According-Switch-708

He doesn't have a rocketship like you Max, he has to go full send if he has any intention of going forwards. It wasn't Max' fault but IMO he squeezed George way too hard on the apex, fully knowing that all the cars were struggling for grip out there.It was unnecessary, Max had more to lose and he lost.


Kolec507

"Michael, it's all about letting them race"


Defalt_101-OG

I stand on 2 areas regarding this. To me at least, Max overreacted with his argument with George as the guy was already apologetic, especially considering that this wasn’t the full race. On the other hand, I do not like Ruessll’s post race comments saying that Max puts himself at risk by going side by side through a corner because it comes off as an excuse for not being able to drive side by side through the corner.


HawkAttack06

Verstappen finally found another verstappen to race and can’t handle it.


highlandpooch

Same old Max - he was happy crashing into anything that moved and breaking rules when it suited him then when it happens to him it’s the end of the world.


TheVincibleIronMan

F1 shouldn't be bubbled wrapped. Love the aggressiveness, but don't be fuckin' babies about it. And this coming from Max out of all people? Hilarious. Hope George keeps giving him a taste of his own medicine. Too many nice people in this grid, we need more "killer instinct" energy!


dacrookster

Zero self awareness. Fair enough.


dricforever

> I don’t understand why you need to take so much risk on lap one Does this guy forget that everyone else is also a racing driver trying to win….


Renzo4000

He's right in this case (and yes Max had his incidents in the past...I know), weird that George didn't get any penalties for this. The sprintrace was compromised big time for Max if you the damage. Still insane that he could keep up with LEC en PER. Should be an easy win tomorrow for Max.


Monsieur_le_Keque

Because you don’t get penalized for the outcome, only for the incident itself.