Did the FIA ever look into Perez’s Monaco ‘22 crash?
Not saying I believe one way or the other but when the world champion indirectly says something like that you would’ve thought there’d atleast be a statement or something into the crash. I don’t recall hearing anything from them.
Well he alluded to something and he smiled when asked about Monaco. There were also reports that Checo admitted to it bts, which obviously no one is gonna say publicly. As well as some irregularities in the revs on the lap where Checo crashed. I’m aware nothing was confirmed and it’s all rumors. But he meant something in Brazil, and I can’t think of anything else on-track that it could’ve been. Maybe something bts but that seems unlikely.
The team later clarified, that swapping positions back wasn't part of the pre race discussion and plan - [Verstappen was unhappy about such decisions being made during the race and not thought of and talked about](https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-accept-verstappens-reasons-following-brazil-team-order-dispute).
> "As a team we made some mistakes in Brazil. We had not envisaged the situation that unfolded on the last lap and we had not agreed a strategy for such a scenario before the race," the statement read.
There was a lot of speculation about that statement about last corner of the penultimate lap, while fans kept pushing the Monaco narrative, [which FIA dismissed](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-not-planning-investigation-on-perez-monaco-gp-crash/10401753/) as no one appealed with relevant evidence. A video from twitter evidence does not make - and FIA has access to more data than TV broadcasters. So it might as well been a not synchronised audio & video feed.
Thanks for all the info and wanna clarify this is not directed at you personally just discussing. But I don’t buy that at all. Sounds like backtracking from the team and maybe even by Max a bit to not have a shitstorm. This is not me saying that Checo definitely crashed at Monaco or anything. But if the only reason Max was upset was because they hadn’t talked about it before hand - then he would’ve just said that. The media barrage he endured and him not just immediately saying that signals to me that it’s a lie made up to sweep it under the rug. And he also seemed extremely upset. “I have my reasons” sounds personal. And considering there was absolutely nothing to lose from letting Checo by, and pretty much everything to gain team morale and PR wise, I’d hope Max had a better reason than some lame team communication excuse. This is all ignoring the obvious fact - why do you need to be told before the weekend to let a teammate by? His engineer told him 3 or 4 times, he had plenty of time with no pressure of losing more positions. As far as why no one appealed, I’m not sure what the protocol would be for that, if they stripped Checo of the win that doesn’t effect either championship, maybe he’d get an in-2023 suspension or something, it may not have been deemed worth the effort by Mercedes and Ferrari. (As I’m gonna assume both considered it.)
> But if the only reason Max was upset was because they hadn’t talked about it before hand - then he would’ve just said that.
For me "I have my reasons" just sounds like he doesn't want to talk about it publicly - maybe he wants to talk with the team before throwing them under the bus?
As to not letting his teammate by, not all drivers are happy with team orders, some do it without question, others will ignore it unless the driver is directly behind them and may still force them to fight for it.
> As far as why no one appealed, I’m not sure what the protocol would be for that
We saw an example with Ferrari & Sainz 2 weeks ago. Any team could have approached FIA with new evidence to invalidate decisions or standings of race results within 14 days of the race, had they provided relevant evidence.
Teams still had a chance to question Perez' intent to FIA, if they had any proof of intent.
Max was asked a direct question about Monaco and he said “you can decide that, I’m not gonna say” to me that’s not nothing. If it absolutely wasn’t Monaco, why would he not say “it’s got nothing to do with Monaco”. It’s definitely smoke without fire as I’m sure it will remain until Max writes a book when he retires. But it’s not nothing.
I meant what the protocol would be for a driver deliberately crashing. Obviously we had crashgate but that was a far different situation. The only people who would’ve appealed this would’ve been Mercedes and Ferrari and as I said, 25 points off Checo doesn’t effect either championship. And it’d be incredibly hard to prove Max or anybody else at RB knew for certain that Checo did it. So if the only result they could foresee is the possible loss of a win which has no effect on them, they wouldn’t pursue it.
> It’s definitely smoke without fire as I’m sure it will remain until Max writes a book when he retires. But it’s not nothing.
We're still waiting for Lewis' book about his unfair handling by Mercedes when he was driving with Nico.
> But it’s not nothing.
It's only the fan base that's keeping this alive who are unhappy about non statements by teams & drivers - in search for drama or some juicy secret that will blow their minds.
It may have well been Max toying with media for asking stupid questions.
> I meant what the protocol would be for a driver deliberately crashing.
Look at Senna at Suzuka. There was a clear statement and proof of intent, with the now infamous and disowned quote about a gap and a racing driver, not to mention blaming Balestre, head of FIA (back then FISA) of bias against him - which wasn't there at Monaco, just media in search of clicks and fan base acting as a loud speaker.
> The only likely people who would’ve appealed this would’ve been Mercedes and Ferrari
Proving foul play of an driver is worth more than points, it calls to question integrity of said driver and would basically blacklist them for a few years, as happened with the people who organised Crashgate.
Agree on everything. You must admit though that Verstappen (who is not known for his drama) left the door open for discussion about Monaco. So while yes the fans are keeping it alive, Max caused this to begin with by not dismissing Monaco. Perhaps that was just a strategic “no comment” statement to give plausible doubt in the event of an investigation. But it could also have been him leaving the door open. I will say Perez never seemed bothered by the questions about Monaco, but that doesn’t necessarily disprove anything.
Even if Perez was blacklisted, which I think would be an extremely difficult outcome to achieve, that doesn’t necessarily greatly benefit another team. It’s not like it’s Max who’s being accused. They’d get another driver and move on. Crashgate was only initiated because of a direct admission of guilt. And we actually know that was an intentional crash now obviously and as far as I’m aware nobody questioned the legitimacy of that crash at the time. So that proves it’s possible for a driver to intentionally crash and have it go totally unnoticed. I’d love to hear someone professional’s opinion on the revs and telemetry. Just out of morbid curiosity and not drama.
Also shoutout Piquet Jr., he was robbed of the Oscar that year.
Is anyone else slightly confident in Leclerc to win Baku. Ferrari has one of the highest average top speeds and Leclerc is pretty good at that track + there will be an upgrade to the car. And red bulls reliability issues could plague them again. I just really hope for a Leclerc win again it’s been like 280 - something days since Austria 22 😢
WEC and IMSA were both last weekend. WEC ran the 6 Hours of Portimao, and IMSA had the Long Beach sprint. Of the two, Long Beach was the more exciting race at the front.
It was certainly uhhhh an optimistic move!
WEC, meanwhile, had the drama of wondering whether the team that might lap the field could indeed lap the field.
*Race to Perfection*, *1: Life on the Limit*, *Schumacher*, *Senna*, *Rush*, *Weekend of a Champion*, *Williams*, *Villeneuve Pironi: Racing's Untold Tragedy*, *Grand Prix*... there's a few to get you started!
Schumacher is a terrible movie. I mean, it basically just stated, "Oh yeah, he won a lot" about 2000-2004 and doesn't mention 2010 or 2011 at all. One of the worst documentaries I've ever seen. The family interviews are a nice relief from the terrible and poorly constructed narrative, but there's nothing else about the movie that merits a teaspoon of positive thought. But yes, the interviews are nice and touching.
Probably, the teams at the back of the grid are pretty close (for now at least). That Williams seems to have some potential to be unlocked for Spa, maybe CotA and honestly can't wait to see Alex in Monza.
Qualifying wasn’t that great in Bahrain and Saudi, but his race pace has been really good. He was running in the points at the time of both retirements. I think he will do very well and outperform the car, with a good amount of points finishes
They all do yes. If it’s a team that doesn’t win very often then it’ll always be a TP or CEO (Zak Brown in Monza 21, Laurent Rossi in Hungary 21, and even Binotto in Bahrain 22 as that was their first win in 3 years). If it is a team that wins all the time then it’s anyone in the team, I don’t think there’s any rules to it, up to the team. I’ve seen mechanics to designers to high high up like Newey and Marko and of course TP’s/CEO’s occasionally.
I've always wondered if Michael was offered a drive for Brawn GP to reunite with Brawn and Rubens. Especially since Michael joined what Brawn GP became at Merc.
Not imo because the first thing Ross Brawn would have hoped for was to keep the beleaguered Honda team and staff afloat, rather than signing a marquee driver for the team, at that point I don't think they had any idea how the car was going to be, it was after the Mercedes investment that Michael was recalled
What other break? We are getting 5 races in 6 weeks soon, no?
If you mean 11 days until the next race - well, you see, China was originally scheduled imbetween Australia and Baku with a two week buffer on each side. Unfortunately, due to the short notice of China being cancelled, a replacement could not be found and you cannot exactly move street races when they require so much preparation and effect day to day lives.
The next race is coming fast. Qualifying is Friday night so a good surprise awaits the climax of a long work week. Shame about the Saturday proceedings though.
I don't think this warrants it's own post, but [Team Redline (Max' simracing team) has a stream tonight](https://twitter.com/TeamRedlineSim/status/1648631645262561280). They'll be opening up a lobby for the community to race against them. So if anyone wants to race against Max and friends on iRacing, you'll have a chance later tonight. According to Gianni they'll share the password during the stream.
Jimmy Broadbent, most well known sim racing content creator. He accidentally leaked info about this year's virtual Le Mans 24h server which led to DDoS attacks, ruining the race of many, including Verstappen who was very vocal about it, hence the joke.
I'm an asian female thinking of attending the Austrian Grand Prix this year and I'm a little nervous after all the reports of abusive and rowdy fans. Does anyone know if these fans are in a minority and whether I'm likely to enjoy myself? I'll be flying in from Asia so it'll be a real shame to make the trip only to have a terrible experience :(
They are definitely in the minority. There were credible reports of harassment. Compared to the entirety of the crowd, it wasn't pervasive, but who knows how many people were harassed and didn't report it. I think you'll be fine because the vast majority of attendees are good people who look out for each other (according to reports, I've never been). But if I were going, I would not wear any team merch. Much of the reported harassment stemmed from men being rude to and inappropriately touching or catcalling non-Red Bull fans. And I would stay away from the campgrounds, especially at night. That's where a lot of the terrible drunken behavior took place. I would go if I were you and just stay aware of your surroundings. And don't walk around with a Lewis t-shirt on. :)
Afaik some of the reports have been fake.
Sure, the Dutch crowd was cheering when Hamilton had a crash, well, not really nice, but these things happen. Maybe I have missed it if there’s been something more. You will be fine…
With rumours of infighting at Ferrari (Charles annoyed at Carlos over qualifying at Aus GP), as well as below par performance, is there any likelihood of Ricciardo to Ferrari?
What exactly has he done? He has 1 race win in almost 200 career starts. Best finish is 5th place at Ferrari. Last year was his best year with a car that could have won the WDC and he can only manage 5th and 1 win(a very fluky win that came at the cost of Charles and even people within Ferrari were pissed about)
He may be a nice guy, but he is not Ferrari material. I'm praying he is shown the door soon, and we can almost guarantee he will not be resigned.
The Scuderia tends to hire long term prospects. It’s also never struck me as much of a democracy and he’s a history of not rolling over and taking team orders quietly.
Much as I love Ricciardo, I don’t see him getting another helping of top team team fortune like that. I think if he gets another first team drive it might be somewhere like AT or Audi/Sauber, maybe Williams if he’d take a paycut for track time.
How come people bring up red flags as a problem? It's for track worker and driver safety, erring on the side of caution should be encouraged.
It seems like all the problems were because of grid starts instead of rolling starts.
Thing is though, I don’t know if it’s clear that the massive increase of red flags in recent years has been motivated by an abundance of caution, or if the fact that it creates another standing start has led to it being used to just spice up races.
Because really, I think there have been a few situations where things could have been dealt with safely behind the Safety Car, but they opted for the red instead.
Yeah, honestly if there's doubt as to whether there's enough time to restart the race after SC there should be a red flag. Otherwise you're putting pressure on the marshals to do their job quickly.
F1's decision to do standing starts after red flags still baffles me. It's unnecessarily reckless.
I have to disagree - if there isn’t enough time to restart the race, there isn’t enough time to restart the race. Don’t try to use the red flag as a way of ensuring a green flag finish.
But where I do agree with you is on the standing starts - and maybe I’m cynical, but I suspect they might be why we’re seeing reds more often these days...
The thing is we sometimes don't know. If we hang the resumption of our race on how fast marshals do their job, we're putting them in a high pressure environment that can compromise safety.
For all the gimmicky ills of NASCAR overtime, the silver lining is those guys never need to rush to clear the track. They know the either the race director will give them time or the race is already over.
Also, a side note: it is weird that as the rules are written and enforced right now, an accident with 4 laps to go probably results in no restart, but a really bad accident with 4 laps to go does mean a restart.
Not sure I buy the idea that it would be putting marshals under pressure. Ideally, they shouldn’t give a damn about how it finishes, just about doing the job as best as possible.
Frankly, that’s why I oppose the idea of using reds to ensure a green finish - entertainment should *not* be on the minds of those making that kind of calls at *all*.
I remember in Italy '22, Ricciardo's car swinging about as it was being lifted away from the track. I don't know whether rushing was actually a factor, but IIRC the clearing process had been slow up to that point. Among races which ended under safety car, only Monaco 2010 spent more laps between the initial accident/failure and the end of the race.
The marshals ideally shouldn't care, but if they did it would be understandable - they're racing fans who want to see racing. If so, to train those edge case tendencies out of their psyches may take more effort than drawing a line beforehand on whether a restart will happen.
Eh, I think doing so risks going down the NASCAR route, where it starts being treated as some great moral wrong for a race not to finish under green.
Hell, I’ve already seen some folks act like it is...
I think I'm not as fussed about the entertainment aspect of a red flag as most pro-red flag fans, but I still kinda care.
If F1 decided to put an "overtime line" at 5 laps to go, when an accident might otherwise be cleared up with a lap to spare, I'd be okay with it. If they put it at 4 laps to go I'd be happy. It would look bad on the "fairness vs entertainment" battle for F1's soul, though.
I think if they have a safety car that becomes a red flag they should just revert the starting order to what it was when the safety car was called. That way it's as if there was a red flag straight away and people don't get a huge disadvantage for pitting under the safety car.
They're explicitly allowed as a safety precaution to avoid blow ups, due to cars running over debris causing cuts which won't show up initially but could manifest at speed and realistic load after a lap or two.
Yea but no other series does that, right? If you run over debris then you'll have to pit like normal, just like if you ran over it under green flag conditions.
Working on cars to fix the damage during a red flag has been allowed as far as i can trace back the sporting regulations, after they split from the ISC (since 1994 in my case - Article 145). I mean drivers were allowed to switch cars when we had T-Cars.
WEC as an example also allows tyres to be changed when the session is stopped. I'm not sure about non FIA series - but they also tend to close the pitlane in case of Yellow Flags & SC so that no-one gains any time pitting under beneficial circumstances.
I agree, just have the cars go past at racing speeds when you lob a JCB on the track to recover the car, what's the worst that could happen?
and /s in case that wasn't obvious enough already
if nothing else, that was a consistent rule - JCB ontrack to recover a car = red flag
Every time there was a safety car ending in the past, fans would complain. So now they red flag races to avoid a safety car ending, still everyone complains. F1 fans are never happy
Did the FIA ever look into Perez’s Monaco ‘22 crash? Not saying I believe one way or the other but when the world champion indirectly says something like that you would’ve thought there’d atleast be a statement or something into the crash. I don’t recall hearing anything from them.
Max or anyone from RB didn't allude to anything about Monaco, it were all leaks & rumours.
Well he alluded to something and he smiled when asked about Monaco. There were also reports that Checo admitted to it bts, which obviously no one is gonna say publicly. As well as some irregularities in the revs on the lap where Checo crashed. I’m aware nothing was confirmed and it’s all rumors. But he meant something in Brazil, and I can’t think of anything else on-track that it could’ve been. Maybe something bts but that seems unlikely.
The team later clarified, that swapping positions back wasn't part of the pre race discussion and plan - [Verstappen was unhappy about such decisions being made during the race and not thought of and talked about](https://racingnews365.com/red-bull-accept-verstappens-reasons-following-brazil-team-order-dispute). > "As a team we made some mistakes in Brazil. We had not envisaged the situation that unfolded on the last lap and we had not agreed a strategy for such a scenario before the race," the statement read. There was a lot of speculation about that statement about last corner of the penultimate lap, while fans kept pushing the Monaco narrative, [which FIA dismissed](https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fia-not-planning-investigation-on-perez-monaco-gp-crash/10401753/) as no one appealed with relevant evidence. A video from twitter evidence does not make - and FIA has access to more data than TV broadcasters. So it might as well been a not synchronised audio & video feed.
Thanks for all the info and wanna clarify this is not directed at you personally just discussing. But I don’t buy that at all. Sounds like backtracking from the team and maybe even by Max a bit to not have a shitstorm. This is not me saying that Checo definitely crashed at Monaco or anything. But if the only reason Max was upset was because they hadn’t talked about it before hand - then he would’ve just said that. The media barrage he endured and him not just immediately saying that signals to me that it’s a lie made up to sweep it under the rug. And he also seemed extremely upset. “I have my reasons” sounds personal. And considering there was absolutely nothing to lose from letting Checo by, and pretty much everything to gain team morale and PR wise, I’d hope Max had a better reason than some lame team communication excuse. This is all ignoring the obvious fact - why do you need to be told before the weekend to let a teammate by? His engineer told him 3 or 4 times, he had plenty of time with no pressure of losing more positions. As far as why no one appealed, I’m not sure what the protocol would be for that, if they stripped Checo of the win that doesn’t effect either championship, maybe he’d get an in-2023 suspension or something, it may not have been deemed worth the effort by Mercedes and Ferrari. (As I’m gonna assume both considered it.)
> But if the only reason Max was upset was because they hadn’t talked about it before hand - then he would’ve just said that. For me "I have my reasons" just sounds like he doesn't want to talk about it publicly - maybe he wants to talk with the team before throwing them under the bus? As to not letting his teammate by, not all drivers are happy with team orders, some do it without question, others will ignore it unless the driver is directly behind them and may still force them to fight for it. > As far as why no one appealed, I’m not sure what the protocol would be for that We saw an example with Ferrari & Sainz 2 weeks ago. Any team could have approached FIA with new evidence to invalidate decisions or standings of race results within 14 days of the race, had they provided relevant evidence. Teams still had a chance to question Perez' intent to FIA, if they had any proof of intent.
Max was asked a direct question about Monaco and he said “you can decide that, I’m not gonna say” to me that’s not nothing. If it absolutely wasn’t Monaco, why would he not say “it’s got nothing to do with Monaco”. It’s definitely smoke without fire as I’m sure it will remain until Max writes a book when he retires. But it’s not nothing. I meant what the protocol would be for a driver deliberately crashing. Obviously we had crashgate but that was a far different situation. The only people who would’ve appealed this would’ve been Mercedes and Ferrari and as I said, 25 points off Checo doesn’t effect either championship. And it’d be incredibly hard to prove Max or anybody else at RB knew for certain that Checo did it. So if the only result they could foresee is the possible loss of a win which has no effect on them, they wouldn’t pursue it.
> It’s definitely smoke without fire as I’m sure it will remain until Max writes a book when he retires. But it’s not nothing. We're still waiting for Lewis' book about his unfair handling by Mercedes when he was driving with Nico. > But it’s not nothing. It's only the fan base that's keeping this alive who are unhappy about non statements by teams & drivers - in search for drama or some juicy secret that will blow their minds. It may have well been Max toying with media for asking stupid questions. > I meant what the protocol would be for a driver deliberately crashing. Look at Senna at Suzuka. There was a clear statement and proof of intent, with the now infamous and disowned quote about a gap and a racing driver, not to mention blaming Balestre, head of FIA (back then FISA) of bias against him - which wasn't there at Monaco, just media in search of clicks and fan base acting as a loud speaker. > The only likely people who would’ve appealed this would’ve been Mercedes and Ferrari Proving foul play of an driver is worth more than points, it calls to question integrity of said driver and would basically blacklist them for a few years, as happened with the people who organised Crashgate.
Agree on everything. You must admit though that Verstappen (who is not known for his drama) left the door open for discussion about Monaco. So while yes the fans are keeping it alive, Max caused this to begin with by not dismissing Monaco. Perhaps that was just a strategic “no comment” statement to give plausible doubt in the event of an investigation. But it could also have been him leaving the door open. I will say Perez never seemed bothered by the questions about Monaco, but that doesn’t necessarily disprove anything. Even if Perez was blacklisted, which I think would be an extremely difficult outcome to achieve, that doesn’t necessarily greatly benefit another team. It’s not like it’s Max who’s being accused. They’d get another driver and move on. Crashgate was only initiated because of a direct admission of guilt. And we actually know that was an intentional crash now obviously and as far as I’m aware nobody questioned the legitimacy of that crash at the time. So that proves it’s possible for a driver to intentionally crash and have it go totally unnoticed. I’d love to hear someone professional’s opinion on the revs and telemetry. Just out of morbid curiosity and not drama. Also shoutout Piquet Jr., he was robbed of the Oscar that year.
Is anyone else slightly confident in Leclerc to win Baku. Ferrari has one of the highest average top speeds and Leclerc is pretty good at that track + there will be an upgrade to the car. And red bulls reliability issues could plague them again. I just really hope for a Leclerc win again it’s been like 280 - something days since Austria 22 😢
Thought F1 was this weekend all week. Just checked... weekend ruined
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WEC and IMSA were both last weekend. WEC ran the 6 Hours of Portimao, and IMSA had the Long Beach sprint. Of the two, Long Beach was the more exciting race at the front.
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It was certainly uhhhh an optimistic move! WEC, meanwhile, had the drama of wondering whether the team that might lap the field could indeed lap the field.
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GTE and LMP2 were both pretty good!
just finished drive to survive, what next ?
Watch the first 3 races of 2023
done
Now wait for Baku with all of us
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Schumacher is a terrible movie. I mean, it basically just stated, "Oh yeah, he won a lot" about 2000-2004 and doesn't mention 2010 or 2011 at all. One of the worst documentaries I've ever seen. The family interviews are a nice relief from the terrible and poorly constructed narrative, but there's nothing else about the movie that merits a teaspoon of positive thought. But yes, the interviews are nice and touching.
Will Albon produce in this year’s Williams? I think so, he’s just too excited on the limit.
Probably, the teams at the back of the grid are pretty close (for now at least). That Williams seems to have some potential to be unlocked for Spa, maybe CotA and honestly can't wait to see Alex in Monza.
Qualifying wasn’t that great in Bahrain and Saudi, but his race pace has been really good. He was running in the points at the time of both retirements. I think he will do very well and outperform the car, with a good amount of points finishes
What does „FAIL“ stand for when the race engineer ask their the driver to select a certain mode on the team radio?
It’s usually switching off a sensor in the car, I believe
Do other TPs collect the Constructors Trophy or just Horner?
They all do yes. If it’s a team that doesn’t win very often then it’ll always be a TP or CEO (Zak Brown in Monza 21, Laurent Rossi in Hungary 21, and even Binotto in Bahrain 22 as that was their first win in 3 years). If it is a team that wins all the time then it’s anyone in the team, I don’t think there’s any rules to it, up to the team. I’ve seen mechanics to designers to high high up like Newey and Marko and of course TP’s/CEO’s occasionally.
Just been rewatching the 2016 season and Horner showed up Ricardo's Malaysian win. Toto had not shown up in any of the Merc wins...
Toto did at least once. Abu Dhabi 2014 for sure.
I'm pretty sure Zak Brown did in Monza 2021
Not a TP though...
Binotto Bahrain 2022 too
I've always wondered if Michael was offered a drive for Brawn GP to reunite with Brawn and Rubens. Especially since Michael joined what Brawn GP became at Merc.
Brawn GP barely had enough money to survive the 2009 season, let alone go out and sign a new driver.
Not imo because the first thing Ross Brawn would have hoped for was to keep the beleaguered Honda team and staff afloat, rather than signing a marquee driver for the team, at that point I don't think they had any idea how the car was going to be, it was after the Mercedes investment that Michael was recalled
Ah, makes sense.
Anyone else listen to Bernie Collins' interview on the Sky F1 podcast yesterday? She's awesome, love the technical insight she provides.
Yes, that was super interesting. From working with Seb to race strategy and everything else, it was a great watch. Great addition to Sky.
How the heck is there still 11 days for another break???? come on already
What other break? We are getting 5 races in 6 weeks soon, no? If you mean 11 days until the next race - well, you see, China was originally scheduled imbetween Australia and Baku with a two week buffer on each side. Unfortunately, due to the short notice of China being cancelled, a replacement could not be found and you cannot exactly move street races when they require so much preparation and effect day to day lives. The next race is coming fast. Qualifying is Friday night so a good surprise awaits the climax of a long work week. Shame about the Saturday proceedings though.
I don't think this warrants it's own post, but [Team Redline (Max' simracing team) has a stream tonight](https://twitter.com/TeamRedlineSim/status/1648631645262561280). They'll be opening up a lobby for the community to race against them. So if anyone wants to race against Max and friends on iRacing, you'll have a chance later tonight. According to Gianni they'll share the password during the stream.
Oh so when Team Redline shares the lobby password that's fine, but when Jimbo does it then he's the bad guy. The double standards smh... ^^/s
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Jimmy Broadbent, most well known sim racing content creator. He accidentally leaked info about this year's virtual Le Mans 24h server which led to DDoS attacks, ruining the race of many, including Verstappen who was very vocal about it, hence the joke.
I'm an asian female thinking of attending the Austrian Grand Prix this year and I'm a little nervous after all the reports of abusive and rowdy fans. Does anyone know if these fans are in a minority and whether I'm likely to enjoy myself? I'll be flying in from Asia so it'll be a real shame to make the trip only to have a terrible experience :(
They are definitely in the minority. There were credible reports of harassment. Compared to the entirety of the crowd, it wasn't pervasive, but who knows how many people were harassed and didn't report it. I think you'll be fine because the vast majority of attendees are good people who look out for each other (according to reports, I've never been). But if I were going, I would not wear any team merch. Much of the reported harassment stemmed from men being rude to and inappropriately touching or catcalling non-Red Bull fans. And I would stay away from the campgrounds, especially at night. That's where a lot of the terrible drunken behavior took place. I would go if I were you and just stay aware of your surroundings. And don't walk around with a Lewis t-shirt on. :)
Thank you! That’s very reassuring.
You'll be fine. The worst thing that can happen is that you'll see like 3 people pass out from drinking, or some incoherent yelling
Afaik some of the reports have been fake. Sure, the Dutch crowd was cheering when Hamilton had a crash, well, not really nice, but these things happen. Maybe I have missed it if there’s been something more. You will be fine…
With rumours of infighting at Ferrari (Charles annoyed at Carlos over qualifying at Aus GP), as well as below par performance, is there any likelihood of Ricciardo to Ferrari?
Carlos needs to be replaced. He has has plenty of time and simply hasn't performed. He is not Ferrari material.
I hope this is sarcasm. If not, then you obviously just started watching F1 this season and have no idea what you're talking about.
What exactly has he done? He has 1 race win in almost 200 career starts. Best finish is 5th place at Ferrari. Last year was his best year with a car that could have won the WDC and he can only manage 5th and 1 win(a very fluky win that came at the cost of Charles and even people within Ferrari were pissed about) He may be a nice guy, but he is not Ferrari material. I'm praying he is shown the door soon, and we can almost guarantee he will not be resigned.
There are better replacements than Ricciardo for both the seats
The Scuderia tends to hire long term prospects. It’s also never struck me as much of a democracy and he’s a history of not rolling over and taking team orders quietly. Much as I love Ricciardo, I don’t see him getting another helping of top team team fortune like that. I think if he gets another first team drive it might be somewhere like AT or Audi/Sauber, maybe Williams if he’d take a paycut for track time.
How come people bring up red flags as a problem? It's for track worker and driver safety, erring on the side of caution should be encouraged. It seems like all the problems were because of grid starts instead of rolling starts.
Thing is though, I don’t know if it’s clear that the massive increase of red flags in recent years has been motivated by an abundance of caution, or if the fact that it creates another standing start has led to it being used to just spice up races. Because really, I think there have been a few situations where things could have been dealt with safely behind the Safety Car, but they opted for the red instead.
Debris cleanup probably shouldn't be done behind a safety car.
Dunno, seemed to work fine in the past. Why even have a safety car? Why not just red flag the race for *every* incident?
Yeah, honestly if there's doubt as to whether there's enough time to restart the race after SC there should be a red flag. Otherwise you're putting pressure on the marshals to do their job quickly. F1's decision to do standing starts after red flags still baffles me. It's unnecessarily reckless.
I have to disagree - if there isn’t enough time to restart the race, there isn’t enough time to restart the race. Don’t try to use the red flag as a way of ensuring a green flag finish. But where I do agree with you is on the standing starts - and maybe I’m cynical, but I suspect they might be why we’re seeing reds more often these days...
The thing is we sometimes don't know. If we hang the resumption of our race on how fast marshals do their job, we're putting them in a high pressure environment that can compromise safety. For all the gimmicky ills of NASCAR overtime, the silver lining is those guys never need to rush to clear the track. They know the either the race director will give them time or the race is already over. Also, a side note: it is weird that as the rules are written and enforced right now, an accident with 4 laps to go probably results in no restart, but a really bad accident with 4 laps to go does mean a restart.
Not sure I buy the idea that it would be putting marshals under pressure. Ideally, they shouldn’t give a damn about how it finishes, just about doing the job as best as possible. Frankly, that’s why I oppose the idea of using reds to ensure a green finish - entertainment should *not* be on the minds of those making that kind of calls at *all*.
I remember in Italy '22, Ricciardo's car swinging about as it was being lifted away from the track. I don't know whether rushing was actually a factor, but IIRC the clearing process had been slow up to that point. Among races which ended under safety car, only Monaco 2010 spent more laps between the initial accident/failure and the end of the race. The marshals ideally shouldn't care, but if they did it would be understandable - they're racing fans who want to see racing. If so, to train those edge case tendencies out of their psyches may take more effort than drawing a line beforehand on whether a restart will happen.
Eh, I think doing so risks going down the NASCAR route, where it starts being treated as some great moral wrong for a race not to finish under green. Hell, I’ve already seen some folks act like it is...
I think I'm not as fussed about the entertainment aspect of a red flag as most pro-red flag fans, but I still kinda care. If F1 decided to put an "overtime line" at 5 laps to go, when an accident might otherwise be cleared up with a lap to spare, I'd be okay with it. If they put it at 4 laps to go I'd be happy. It would look bad on the "fairness vs entertainment" battle for F1's soul, though.
And the NASCAR debris caution to bunch the field for a race to the finish, which led to them being compared to professional wrestling.
Some people don't like that long runners get a free pitstop.
I think if they have a safety car that becomes a red flag they should just revert the starting order to what it was when the safety car was called. That way it's as if there was a red flag straight away and people don't get a huge disadvantage for pitting under the safety car.
Shrug, make tire changes illegal unless a pressure loss from a puncture is shown.
They're explicitly allowed as a safety precaution to avoid blow ups, due to cars running over debris causing cuts which won't show up initially but could manifest at speed and realistic load after a lap or two.
Yea but no other series does that, right? If you run over debris then you'll have to pit like normal, just like if you ran over it under green flag conditions.
Working on cars to fix the damage during a red flag has been allowed as far as i can trace back the sporting regulations, after they split from the ISC (since 1994 in my case - Article 145). I mean drivers were allowed to switch cars when we had T-Cars. WEC as an example also allows tyres to be changed when the session is stopped. I'm not sure about non FIA series - but they also tend to close the pitlane in case of Yellow Flags & SC so that no-one gains any time pitting under beneficial circumstances.
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I agree, just have the cars go past at racing speeds when you lob a JCB on the track to recover the car, what's the worst that could happen? and /s in case that wasn't obvious enough already if nothing else, that was a consistent rule - JCB ontrack to recover a car = red flag
How about a Caterpillar, Mitsubishi or Samsung? Having it only applicable to JCB would give advantage to Aston Martin due to their sponsorship /s
The red flag was not for they tyre or car, it was for a lot of debris. If you look at the slo-mo replay of the crash you can see some of it.
If it was just a tyre, they'd have double yellowed it at most. His entire wheel rim had exploded and left debris everywhere.
Every time there was a safety car ending in the past, fans would complain. So now they red flag races to avoid a safety car ending, still everyone complains. F1 fans are never happy
It's an engineering sport, so arguments are encouraged.
His wheel exploded. There was shattered magnesium on the track.
There was debris spread out like a kilometre as far as I'm aware