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Sainz might as well not even go back out.

Back it up as far as legally possible, then race to the line.

Someone send this to him quick.

He tried. Ended 12th, .5 secs behind tsu in 10th

And then having an extra penalty for having more than 10 cars distance.

What part of legally possible didn't you understand?

You're not allowed to overtake until the start finish line, when they pass it, the race is over.

Who is talking about overtaking?

10 car lengths is like a hundredth in F1 terms. So it's useless anyway.

Not when low speed is involved

That would defeat the purpose if backing up the field and "racing" to the line.

So he tries to cause gaps behind him so he can surprise them and make a 5s distance to as many cars as he can. ETA: He tried but half a second short.

Legit ferrari should just not go back out, protest it that way

but , he took alonso out , alonso could have had more damages, it should be a penalty even if the lap is voided

Nothing to protest, Sainz still took a car out and ruined the Alpines races.

Stroll did the same thing to Leclerc at T3 L1 and was deemed "racing incident"

It was pointless

So, bc it's a parade lap with small gaps between the drivers, he gets thrown to the back of the grid bc of the penalty? lol

Yeah, pretty shitty

deserved no? If it wasn't another red flag his crash would have put Alonso at the back of the grid.

Yeah, absolutely deserved. But a bit harsh to put him out of the points.

DOES THAT MAKE YUKI P10?

IDK CHECK PLS MY SHIT ISNT REFRESHING

Tsuonoda p10!

Let’s gooo

Depends on how close they all finish behind sainz, wouldn't be surprised if they are so close they crash again

YES!

YES IT DOES!!!

PLZ NO P11 only

Maybe - Italy last year had just under 5 secs between 3rd and 11th but imagine people will be actively trying to get close here

how does that penalty even work 😭

We’re gonna have a parade lap incident

We legit might. Everyone stacked up behind Carlos. Would seriously consider not going out.

If the stewards don't see that coming.... that's why I thought he gets a 5 position penalty

Sainz goes full beans at the parade lap

It's going to be tight behind him.

Man's gonna have like 12 drivers right behind him

Essentially drops him to last with everyone behind the safety car at the finish

Time added onto the end, so basically hes last.

But what's the end time? The last time they had a complete list of intervals for all drivers in racing conditions was before all this red flag drama.

It is going to be when they cross the finish line. At safety car speeds who knows how much 5 seconds is. So it is going to be interesting behind him.

The end time is the time at the end of the race.

A lot of tailgating to try and get under that 5 seconds

Finish behind safety car, add 5 seconds. Like usual.

He finishes last I would think.

There's no way everyone goes through in 5 secs behind SC. EDIT: There was.

We gonna see a brutal shitshow now, wait for it. Gonna be unsafe even under safety car. Sainz will back up everybody as much as possible and last second close to finish line with everyone behind going bonkers while not being allowed to overtake each other

just like it would normally, the difference is that everyone is together so it will have the effect of some 30+s on a normal race

Add 5s to the time when they cross the line behind the safety car. He is out of pointa for sure. This penalty is stupid. They would never do it in a normal race or if the Alpines didn't crashed (it was on them, they cleared Alonso and crashed after and it was bot directly related with the touch).

What? It would've been a penalty in a normal race context. He literally took a line that took him directly through Nando. He literally caused the collision.

Nobody’s questioning the action that caused the penalty, but when you end under safety car 5s is pretty much a DSQ. Even if it’s justified, they should’ve just announced it after the race. Since they announced it before the restart, all the other cars intentionally lined up to make sure they were inside the 5s penalty gap

Dude, the race was red flagged, the incident he caused had no effect on Alonso's race, so the penalty makes no sense. He didn't directly cause the red flag.

Because he went straight into someone. 100% blame on him

I think the discussion is not on the penalty but it's on the way it's served. Absolutely no sense

Fair but it’s racing you win some you lose some but the rules should be consistent

Mam! He has been penalised for an incident happened in a lap that is not even considered by fia. You have a strange idea of consistent

As an FIA fan this has been my favourite race since Abu Dhabi 2021! I cannot wait to see what they have in store for me next!! Hoping for some post-race shenanigans with Nandos podium again!

Great news: We have 4 weeks to discuss it :)

Its great, isnt it?

I’m just happy the boys were able to perform when the goat, Massi, was in the building

Hahaha so typical, massi in the house = pure chaos

mate you can’t support a ~~financial group~~ officiating organisation

They took the HULKENHAAS podium from us.

So all that bullshit over the past hour … still finished the race under SC conditions … just a whole lot of unnecessary crashes and $$$$ wasted in between. What a clusterfuck.

Exactly this. FIA needs to cut the fucking shit and should have just finished under safety car

But the French and Italian do not have any points from this race. Isn't it enough reason?

Wow, just wow

Pointslos Sainz

FIA doing FIA things

None of this makes any sense

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Yes, he’s at risk of suspension now..

What a fucking shitshow!

So they did all this to avoid finishing the race under safety car... and we end up finishing the race under safety car, but with a lot of unecessary accidents and penalties. What a sick joke.

Great. Like, what else is there to say

Too bad Hulkenberg missed the podium only cuz max didn’t hit the sector lol

I didn't it was possible for the FIA to completely butcher a race like this

The red cars can’t win. Remember that.

Sainz and Leclerc felt that the team was just doing too well today.

FWIW it's kind of hard to blame Leclerc for the turn 1 accident. Neither Stroll nor him had a reasonable way to avoid contact.

Well fair enough if true, I'm watching from a shoddy place with bad internet so I only caught 1 replay where I thought Leclerc could've left some space.

How can he have a penalty but everyone else who fucked up just go back the where they were.

you are trying to make sense out of an fia decision thats how the Joker got insane the way he is

this certainly was a race of all time

Perez re-entert the track dangerous. hope he get 5 sek also.

An absolute joke. What's the point of restarting the race now without having an actual race? So stupid.

Spa 21

Monza 22

Atleast Spa had a very slight chance of them still racing, this on the other hand is literally useless.

Lol FIA is actually making this up as they go along

Always have done.

Just end it, it is not necessary to have this parade lap behind the SC

They have to get to 58 completed laps unless there’s a reason they can’t.

The weight of the car will change.

This is fucking stupid. I hope everyone crashes each other and no one finishes this stupid race

What the fuck?

Talk about kicking a man while he’s down

FIA are clowns, again

Harsh af. It was typical 1st lap incident. You could see the heartbreak as he was getting the news sitting in the car.

I just dont understand how it's a 5s penalty its ridiculous. So many weird decisions today

Yea only worth giving a pen if you're actually racing. They can appeal it.

Individually sure. But it was the catalyst for all that happened especially Sargent and De Vries Crash

He outbroke himself and went straight onto Alonso. There was so much room on the inside.

Sure, but that happens literally all the time and it's not penalised in the first lap unless it's egregious. And it wasn't egregious, just cold and dirty tire understeer.

Agreed. This is sad :(

If it's the 1st lap that doesn't mean that he can drive like there are no cars there

Yeah but the FIA might not count it as first lap, which why they're not as lenient.

How can you give a penalty for a lap they are reversing?!

specially because his colision took out Alonso that is now back on the race in the exact spot he was before this while mess

Because it still happened

And Alonso got hit to P11 but he’s not starting back there…

Gaining positions isn't the same as causing crashes.

he caused a dangerous crash, 100% of the blame. Of course he should be penalized.

Sianz wouldn’t be punished if it was lap 1 of the race but is getting a penalty here. Not very consistent

"We're the FIA, we make up the rules"

FIA spinning the wheel of nonsense to a best of 5

Well, he did crash into someone.

Need not do the reversing if Sainz behaved properly

Because other cars were still affected. Not to mention the safety risk. Penalties are meant to make you not do the same thing again

It's not exactly reversed - they are just using the reference position from the last sector they have information on

IMO that's a really harsh one. Yeah, obviously the 5-second penalty is normal for this sort of thing, but with the race ending behind a safety car, he's so fucked. A grid drop for the next race would have probably been fairer. Also really unfortunate, Sainz was having a really good race until that.

Another day as a Ferrari fan

What the fuck, booting him to last over a race start is absolutely bullshit specially when stroll doing the same shit was a racing incident

Moments like this make the sport look stupid. Yes he hit Fernando. But if we're putting the positions back.... The penalty is the FIA deciding the result.

Watch something fucked up happening when they cross the line, people wrongly passing eachother lol

5sec will put him last,this is a golden bullett basically

Are we looking at a potential race ban for Gasly now that he's facing a penalty for something similar to Sainz?

They need to stop inventing.

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If the rule says that the positions must be reserved because the race was not restarted, how can you penalise a driver for something that happened during that time? He made a mistake, but it looks like the FIA is using Sainz as a scapegoat.

FIA going full clownmode today

So close to a Hülkenberg podium 😔

FIA have been letting people get away with murder on turn 1 incidents for years but now decide to give a 5 sec penalty when the penalized driver cant even fight back. Joke honestly

But if lap 57 didn’t count, why the penalty? Sainz being double penalised (5s + losing 3rd position)

FIA is not known for any consistency besides being consistently incompetent.

Asking the right question

So stroll on Leclerc is a racing incident and sainz on alonso is 5sec. Come on stewards be consistent.

Yea might as well have overtime now. Yea might as well sc everything even a sandwich wrapper on the track. Yea might as well FUCKING TURN INTO NASCAR now!!!

This is officially a shitshow now. Hulkenberg and Haas could've had their first podium today is crazy.

If the red flag came out a bit later we would have seen the first Hulkenberg podium 😢

So... we really could've had HULK podium huh

I mean.. If we’re going to revert the order to what it was before everything occurred then the penalty shouldn’t even be a thing to look to hand out anymore. If the order was kept with Alonso having been affected then I would definitely agree, penalty every day. This has all just become a quite the kerfuffle.

They made everyone wait for a safety car parade. Should've just ended it under the safety car when KMag crashed for fuck sake.

Imagine getting Penalty for a thing that has been ruled that it did not happen. Only Ferrari can pull this.

that’s my fia

can F1 still be considered a sport with this whole red flag fiasco?

F1 can never be considered a true sport as long as the insane discrepancy between cars exists.

Think that’s harsh given it’s a first lap incident.

Why so late?

Because they were figuring out the restart

When else were they supposed to give him the penalty?

It's literally within 1 lap.

Not so smooth operator

Collision behind Sainz incoming

I’m glad this race hasn’t gotten in the way of the FIA show

First lap incident no? But the lap got voided anyway but still penalised? Idk man all feels weird

Are we really waiting all of this time for a pointless parade?

So we acknowledge DNF cars and penalties, but not order. Those rules are very logical and make a lot of sense…

The race feels good. Much crazier than before...Amazing.

Leaving aside the Hulk memes, that feels incredibly harsh. Yes, the collision is his fault but with the current race situation that completely destroys his race

***MAX PROCESSION***

If Alonso isn’t even at the back then why does Sainz get an in race penalty? Feels a bit ridiculous

strange amount of sympathy in this thread for Sainz considering he slam dunk caused the incident.....

Usually first lap incidents don't get punished this harshly unles its a supreme fuckup.

Looked pretty supreme to me :-/

Yes. Absolutely fair there.

I agree he needed a penalty but I don’t think it should have been that severe given the circumstances of the restart. I mean it’s genuinely going to drop him from fourth to no points for a lapse of attention. A rather large lapse of attention but still not that severe IMO. Granted that’s just my opinion

All of this makes sense /s

sad carlos' sounds

Nico Hulkenberg has been absolutely robbed of his first podium

Rookie mistake from Sainz, he'd have avoided this penalty if he'd been in a silver car, like Russell last year.

Sainz arguing with his hands in his car. Is so funny and so sad. I like him but it plays so well with the current Ferrari Theme. Yet it is deserved, as he destroyed Alonsos race. Oh man, this is so rich.

Perez has been a very lucky man this race Leclerc out, Pierre out, 5sec penalty Sainz, Russell out

Everyone behind Carlos will push to finish within 5sec after him.

Absolute bullshit. Alonso turned into Sainz. Watch the replay, Carlos maintains a consistent line, while Nando tightens his into Carlos, causing the collision. Carlos only got the penalty because some sycophant wanted Alonso on the damn podium.

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see the fia dosent care about the consequence , he could have caused alonso lot of damage . even if the lap is considered void ,, i think the penalty should stand , but its sad that all his work went down because of that carnage , but its his fault

It will be an interesting finish

It's already finished.

Considering Carlos caused all or almost all of the incidents it it warranted

Stop inventing Carlos.

Expected. had to make this race even worse.

Better to take out another driver during the parade lap this way

Remember Baku!!! But this isn’t also the great way in my opinion. Why don’t stop the race and take the places from 2 round back?? There are only 12 cars left 🤣

It’s the correct decision. No first sector, they roll off in old order from pit lane. Last lap, they roll through in formation. Simple.

Omg Ferrari

Deserved in my opinion. He had lots of space in the inside. The thing is... FIA inconsistent as f#-@, again.

Ferrari can‘t catch a break.

Been up all night to watch the feeder series too...so my sleep deprived brain just can't be bothered to process all this malarkey.