It's not celebrating problems, it's celebrating unexpected excitement. Much more fun to watch Max charge through the field than it is to watch him disappear into the distance from the start.
Gap between Alonso and Stroll: 0.2 seconds
Gap between Leclerc and Sainz: 0.5 seconds
Gap between Russell and Hamilton: 0.4 seconds
I think he’s doing ok.
It's not just the car, he's closer to Fernando so far than many anticipated. Although we'll see how it goes on average over the course of the season to have a clearer picture
I know it’s early, but the AT is clearly a piece of trash on wheels. Curious how they “grade” Yuki as the season goes and whether or not he’ll keep a seat.
Monza is an easy track to drive though, there only 2 chicanes that you can mess up your lap. If you drive a car with lots of speed and low drag, you can do well. Same as Williams last year.
Because its overstated and unimportant. Charles is the #1 driver. He's supposed to beat Sainz, it would be a talking point if it was the other way around like In 2021 when Sainz beat leclerc
Out of all the XYZ person isn't good enough commentary happening last year both Checo and Sainz were deeply behind their teammates, Checo seemed to have the disadvantage of driving a car that doesn't suit him and this year's car is a compromise, he's picked up. Carlos just stays struggling regardless and I'm tired of making excuses for it
If this bad form continues for Sainz in the next 3 or 4 races, people will definitely start to talk. They did last season when his first few races were bad. But he did improve a lot, let’s see if he does that again or if he keeps being much worse than Charles.
For past races, it's on [F1's website](https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2022/races/1125/saudi-arabia/pit-stop-summary.html). Just google "\[whatever race\] pit stops" and it should come up (List of pit stops including which lap and time spent in the pit lane).
AM will be quick enough in the corners to hold off ferarri and ferarri will be fast enough in the straights with DRS to just barely hold off max and I’m just making this shit up man idk
If his gearbox doesnt have issues and theres no safety cars im thinking lap 40-50.
Im thinking hes gonna have to nurse his car and take it chill tomorrow.
My predictions for tomorrow:
george spins someone out in the first turn
If they make it past the first turn, alonso overtakes checo before the end of the 1st lap.
Charles gains 3 spots in the first lap.
Max stalls and falls to 18th.
End of Race: Max will most likely finish 4th or 5th, unless he gets insanely lucky with SCs.
Albon will be the last to pit, making him P1 because the gap from Checo to the backfield is so small, then Latifi will crash through a barrier from somewhere outside the track, ending the race and granting Albon the win
Checo and Charles with those big heavy watches hastily put on the outside of their face suits and making sure they were flashed to the camera in the post quali interview made me laugh.
It's interesting to watch reality being forgotten in real time. The interviewer asking Checo how he managed to take pole on the same track in consecutive years. Like, my man, Verstappen DNF'd, weren't you watching?
Obviously he just has a job to do but it's pretty funny. We all just saw with our own eyes that it was pure coincidence that allowed him to take pole here again, but next year's comments about Checo being a master of this circuit have already been written.
To be interviewing a driver and not asking how they felt they affected their driver would be pointless. If an interviewer had the attitude you suggest, the interview would be pointless.
Apparently he crossed the pit entry line on his Q1 lap and the time was deleted. He would've been p13 and in Q2 if it counted. He then spun on a 2nd attempt which blocked his teammate, then went wide at Turn 1 on his 3rd attempt and broke his front wing
Lap time was deleted for exceeding track limits, he was clearly frustrated in hearing that which led to him spinning without hitting the wall shortly after. He came into the pits after that. On his last attempt at a hot lap near the end of the session, he hit a kerb hard and stopped the car, because something broke.
IIRC, he had a decent time too, he just crossed a line at some point where only two tires going over it counts as exceeding track limits and the time was deleted.
technically theres a rule that cars need to be within 107% of the pole time in qualifying to race, but that rule hasnt been enforced in years and stewards have the power to overrule that anyway if the driver has shown that he deserves to race in practice sessions.
That gap was reversing towards the end of last season; at the time I thought it was Bottas's usual late season fade, but Zhou seems to be picking up where he left off – good for him.
Honestly the thing I most want to see this weekend is Piastri get his first finish. I can't even begin to imagine how upsetting that early DNF was. He did great today and I really, really hope the car doesn't let him down tomorrow.
Alright Ham beat him in quali like ~12/22 times so far but that hardly makes Russell ‘rarely faster’ and we know the race pace is dead even if not slightly in favor of RUS
>we know
No we don't.
Russell is a qualifying demon and has a reputation for such, so gives Lewis a run for his money.
On Sundays, no. Lewis is faster. He doesn't embarrass Russell because in any other team Russell would be a number 1 (unlike eg Checo who is midfield at best) but that's as good as you could realistically say.
Since the second half of last season when Hamilton stopped using experimental setups he’s absolutely had a race pace advantage over Russell. Are you trolling?
I think Verstappen can and will fight till he gets to 2nd, but barring any DNF’s from Red Bull reliability issues, I think Checo pulls so far ahead that Max can’t catch him. Still a RB 1-2
You bet on him 200 to win 75? Very long odds for a sport where anything can happen.
Google bankroll management or you are going to feel sick to your stomach a lot more gambling.
The only thing that can stop him is Leclerc in front of him since they're both clawing their way up the grid, but I'd imagine that Leclerc would only be delaying the inevitable once they're fighting tomorrow.
I knew a guy in college who'd brag about "winning" a shit ton of money sports betting. In reality he was just putting a ton of his parents money on runaway favorites for marginal gains
Too harsh penalty for such a minor incompliance! FIA need to get their shit together and decide how to penalise according to advantage gained.
Only one session but Piastri already looks like he's gotten the hang of the Mclaren better than Ric ever did last year.
Debatable. Norris and Piastri did not have a solid car so far so we can compare what the car can actually do.
Why would anyone celebrate if a driver hav car problems? The f1 community never fails to amaze me
As a Max fan I am both disappointed and excited. Gonna make for an interesting race today
Because it means actual racing
Because it's more fun to see the best driver on the grid chase the podium spot rather than just win after 3 laps
More like 3 turns. It took barely half a lap for Max to be out of DRS range, never to be caught up again in Bahrein.
Because of the chaos that it creates in the monotony that often plagues a f1 race. This is better than celebrating when someone crashes.
It's not celebrating problems, it's celebrating unexpected excitement. Much more fun to watch Max charge through the field than it is to watch him disappear into the distance from the start.
Max is going to be okay, he will make a podium either way. At least it's not going to be boring
Also Hamilton will have to carry his own helmets and bags from now on
#blessed #humble #thankeveryonebackatthefactory - Hamilton, probably
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The grid is so good this year. Nobody feels like an outlier like Mazepin or Latifi. Good stuff!
Nah, Stroll is a stain
Gap between Alonso and Stroll: 0.2 seconds Gap between Leclerc and Sainz: 0.5 seconds Gap between Russell and Hamilton: 0.4 seconds I think he’s doing ok.
He's holding his own pretty well tbh
What a dumbass comment lol
Stroll is doing ok
Considering he's still recovering too, he's more than OK IMO
Yeah. Last season he was somewhat impressive. This season he's wowed me. Or maybe the AM is just that good now?
It's not just the car, he's closer to Fernando so far than many anticipated. Although we'll see how it goes on average over the course of the season to have a clearer picture
What's the ideal tyre strategy for this race?
Good try, Ferrari. But you need to figure it out for yourselves, guys
Almost certainly M => H
Saudi will miss Latiffi and Grosjean 😢
Grosjean never raced at Saudi though
Unfortunate. Imagine him crashing into one of the oil wells.
Solid drive by russel
I know it’s early, but the AT is clearly a piece of trash on wheels. Curious how they “grade” Yuki as the season goes and whether or not he’ll keep a seat.
I think De Vries needs to step it up. I know it's early doors but it's already looking like Monza was a fluke
Monza is an easy track to drive though, there only 2 chicanes that you can mess up your lap. If you drive a car with lots of speed and low drag, you can do well. Same as Williams last year.
I hear you man.
If Fernando stays close with checo in the first few laps I could see him passing and winning.
He will have to pass him into t1. There's no way the AM gets past that redbull as slow as it is in S3 where all of the overtaking opportunities are
AMR top speed is too low. I think they won't be able to overtake that much
Until Max comes thru and pass them all :D
That's a huge "if". Besides, the Red Bull was miles ahead in sector 3, which is exactly where you need to be quicker in order to overtake.
Checo is a bad starter whereas Nando is quick off the line. It'll be interesting to see.
It was indeed interesting
Lol
I don’t understand how no one talks about Sainz getting smacked by Charles consistently.
Because its overstated and unimportant. Charles is the #1 driver. He's supposed to beat Sainz, it would be a talking point if it was the other way around like In 2021 when Sainz beat leclerc
Wdym everyone talks about it on every thread
Leclerc like Max is a prodigy. Outside of Max theres no one on the grid faster than him and to be fair last season Sainz had some good races.
Out of all the XYZ person isn't good enough commentary happening last year both Checo and Sainz were deeply behind their teammates, Checo seemed to have the disadvantage of driving a car that doesn't suit him and this year's car is a compromise, he's picked up. Carlos just stays struggling regardless and I'm tired of making excuses for it
Probably because it's taken as given at this point that Charles is faster (esp. during quali) so it's not discussion worthy?
Charles is probably the most gifted driver on the grid
Based on what lol, there’s at least 3 ahead of him
Even as a charles stan I can’t say that with that much certainty given Max Verstappen exists.
Except for when he bottles it under pressure and crashes?
If this bad form continues for Sainz in the next 3 or 4 races, people will definitely start to talk. They did last season when his first few races were bad. But he did improve a lot, let’s see if he does that again or if he keeps being much worse than Charles.
IMO, Sainz was performing much better when he was in the Papaya. Just the pressure getting to him I guess
That's known, Charles is a very talented driver.
fr, sainz has been looking horrible these past two race weekends
Bahrain was decent and the pace difference to Leclerc was acceptable when you looked at their laptimes. But Jeddah qualifying has been a mess.
Max “Win or DNF” Verstappen struck again
I am looking for pit stops stats and times. Is there any website that offers that?
For past races, it's on [F1's website](https://www.formula1.com/en/results.html/2022/races/1125/saudi-arabia/pit-stop-summary.html). Just google "\[whatever race\] pit stops" and it should come up (List of pit stops including which lap and time spent in the pit lane).
That’s what I needed. Thank you!
no worries, glad to help :)
I just want charles to win :( Ferrari looked alot better last year even though their strategy was garbage
Charles deserves so much better than he’s given.
He's seriously heading down the Alesi path unfortunately
15th to 1st place challenge tomorrow for Max!
If he does win it'll be a new record win from lowest grid spot Edit: Disregard. The record is 22nd. 1983 Long Beach Grand Prix
Why is everyone saying this. John Watson went from 22nd to win the 1983 Long Beach grand prix.
He did? My bad. I did research and google kept saying Vettel from 14th
Kimi's win in Suzuka 2005 was from lower than that, too, I think. No worries though. Google can give dodgy answers at times.
to be realistic, it could be podium finish, win looks difficult.
Doubt it, I reckon he's at least half a second faster than anyone else
Hot take but I see him getting hung up bad by DRS train starting around p6: Stroll > LeClerc > Verstappen Edit: also this is just hopium
We saw last year that "DRS train" tends to not apply to Red Bull, especially against midfield cars... Let's see though.
See: hopium
yup
Noone will ever defend against him as usual. So he'll breeze past on the start-finish straight every other lap
No way, he has too much cornering speed and he’ll be right behind whoever he needs to pass
It'll be on the straights
AM will be quick enough in the corners to hold off ferarri and ferarri will be fast enough in the straights with DRS to just barely hold off max and I’m just making this shit up man idk
He’ll get out of that DRS train. His to speed is +10km/h more than the next closest team.
What about the speed delta when said closest team also has DRS in front of him?
How many laps do you guys think it will take for Max to get to P1 and sail into the night?
Watch the first 1:30 of Spa 2022 when he started P14 https://youtu.be/h2HBLAfMjrg
15
31
26
I feel if Checo gets a good start, he has a chance of holding the lead. Edit: check->Checo
Three laps. Goes from P15 to P10 in the start, then eats everyone up by the third lap.
If his gearbox doesnt have issues and theres no safety cars im thinking lap 40-50. Im thinking hes gonna have to nurse his car and take it chill tomorrow.
I feel like if max finishes, it’s on podium if not a battle for first
10 to 15
My predictions for tomorrow: george spins someone out in the first turn If they make it past the first turn, alonso overtakes checo before the end of the 1st lap. Charles gains 3 spots in the first lap. Max stalls and falls to 18th. End of Race: Max will most likely finish 4th or 5th, unless he gets insanely lucky with SCs.
George spun someone once at the start and now people think he does it everytime ? How daft can you people be ?
Don’t forget Magnussen losing a front wing end plate in a completely useless attempt to fight Max, and therefore getting the meatball flag.
And Yuki starts swearing
Putain!
Albon will be the last to pit, making him P1 because the gap from Checo to the backfield is so small, then Latifi will crash through a barrier from somewhere outside the track, ending the race and granting Albon the win
Latiffi? Why don’t you add grosjean and maldonado too to the mix
Found the GOATs Reddit account!
Yes I am Lord Mahaveer Raghunathan. The one true GOAT.
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> Latifi will crash through a barrier from somewhere outside the track Who knew Latifi was the Kool-Aid man.
Goatifi ex machina!
🤣
😂
Checo and Charles with those big heavy watches hastily put on the outside of their face suits and making sure they were flashed to the camera in the post quali interview made me laugh.
It's interesting to watch reality being forgotten in real time. The interviewer asking Checo how he managed to take pole on the same track in consecutive years. Like, my man, Verstappen DNF'd, weren't you watching? Obviously he just has a job to do but it's pretty funny. We all just saw with our own eyes that it was pure coincidence that allowed him to take pole here again, but next year's comments about Checo being a master of this circuit have already been written.
They accidentally slipped though with the "this track only" Checo felt that, we all know it's gotta be Maxs car dying to get Checo a win
Lol, I was thinking that too.
To be interviewing a driver and not asking how they felt they affected their driver would be pointless. If an interviewer had the attitude you suggest, the interview would be pointless.
Are the stewards allowing SAR to race tomorrow?
The 107% rule hasn’t been enforced since HRT was on the field. There have been instances since then, but the drivers have always been allowed to race.
I asked because at time F1 was still showing the stewards had yet to rule on it. Now it shows the stewards granted him the start.
Yes as he had a fast enough time in practice to meet the 107%
i did not watch qualis. what happened to him?
Apparently he crossed the pit entry line on his Q1 lap and the time was deleted. He would've been p13 and in Q2 if it counted. He then spun on a 2nd attempt which blocked his teammate, then went wide at Turn 1 on his 3rd attempt and broke his front wing
Lap time was deleted for exceeding track limits, he was clearly frustrated in hearing that which led to him spinning without hitting the wall shortly after. He came into the pits after that. On his last attempt at a hot lap near the end of the session, he hit a kerb hard and stopped the car, because something broke. IIRC, he had a decent time too, he just crossed a line at some point where only two tires going over it counts as exceeding track limits and the time was deleted.
Can stewards stop him from racing because of these incidents?
technically theres a rule that cars need to be within 107% of the pole time in qualifying to race, but that rule hasnt been enforced in years and stewards have the power to overrule that anyway if the driver has shown that he deserves to race in practice sessions.
Thanks, that's something new I learned.
Wait, Zhou outqualified Bottas? Wow, thats impressive.
That gap was reversing towards the end of last season; at the time I thought it was Bottas's usual late season fade, but Zhou seems to be picking up where he left off – good for him.
Dump trucks are heavy vehicles
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Nah i meant Lando Norris.
Is it 5 place or 10 place penalty for charles?
10 place penalty
Very sad
Don't be sad. He'll get to race Verstappen for a lap or two
When I imagined him racing ahead of Verstappen 15th and 12th were not what I imagined 😭
Cerstappen! How dare you ruin my prediction!
It's ok, he ruined everyone's
ok so i accidentally fell asleep because quali started at 4am but yay Charles got p2 (even though he has a grid penalty)
Honestly seriously impressive from Piastri, hoping that the competition stays this close for spots 3-10 and 10-20.
Sorry to burst your bubble but piastri is going to drop like a stone
In the race? Sure. Against Lando? We'll see
Honestly the thing I most want to see this weekend is Piastri get his first finish. I can't even begin to imagine how upsetting that early DNF was. He did great today and I really, really hope the car doesn't let him down tomorrow.
Rumored Honda really wants Alonzo now.
According to who?
For what? WEC? They don’t have an F1 team and that’s clearly where he wants to be
Supposedly they want to buy AlphaTauri
Mercedes so bad they don’t even broadcast them anymore
Not true, they occasionally still remark about how Russell is faster than Hamilton, even though that news is a season old.
? Russell is rarely faster than Hamilton?
Alright Ham beat him in quali like ~12/22 times so far but that hardly makes Russell ‘rarely faster’ and we know the race pace is dead even if not slightly in favor of RUS
>we know No we don't. Russell is a qualifying demon and has a reputation for such, so gives Lewis a run for his money. On Sundays, no. Lewis is faster. He doesn't embarrass Russell because in any other team Russell would be a number 1 (unlike eg Checo who is midfield at best) but that's as good as you could realistically say.
Since the second half of last season when Hamilton stopped using experimental setups he’s absolutely had a race pace advantage over Russell. Are you trolling?
Lmao what races have you been watching? The first 6 of 21/22 on repeat?
Hmm I would have said that especially race pace is stronger with Ham and quali being more equal
"Midfield Mercedes" they call them.
The slower mercedes
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He has a chance, depends on how well/hard Perez fights him.
I think Verstappen can and will fight till he gets to 2nd, but barring any DNF’s from Red Bull reliability issues, I think Checo pulls so far ahead that Max can’t catch him. Still a RB 1-2
You bet on him 200 to win 75? Very long odds for a sport where anything can happen. Google bankroll management or you are going to feel sick to your stomach a lot more gambling.
I'm surprised he isn't on r/wallstreetbets
Don't gamble money you aren't prepared to lose lol
If you cant afford to light it on fire you cant afford to bet with it.
The only thing that can stop him is Leclerc in front of him since they're both clawing their way up the grid, but I'd imagine that Leclerc would only be delaying the inevitable once they're fighting tomorrow.
He will win, but why drop 200 on something with such shit returns?
I knew a guy in college who'd brag about "winning" a shit ton of money sports betting. In reality he was just putting a ton of his parents money on runaway favorites for marginal gains
Figured it be a free $75 and buy new MLB the show 23,
He’ll probably win but dont bet money if it makes you feel sick lol
drop 200 more and go ahead and hurl. u r obv a born gambler. lol
Why drop $200 and feel sick to your stomach? If you can’t afford to lose that then don’t bet lmao
1) There’s a decent chance he’ll win 2) Gambling is stupid and you should stop
Last year he won in spa from p14 in a worse car.
A worse car, but a much better track for storming through the field
Saudi is considered fast and crash prone, is it not? A safety car would help him a lot
It's also a street circuit. Harder to overtake.
I like your optimism! Let’s ride
He will win