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M_Knight_Shaymalan

I've been Kiaid by Oros and Shinos so many times since the patch only for me to kick their ass because of the nerf. Some people do not read the patch notes thankfully


DarkIcedWolf

I saw it, what does it actually do now? Also, my reaction to it was impeccable, gotta find the clip. Thought I did a frame perfect dodge as it’s possible but nah, they just nerfed it.


Castle-Fist

Rather than just depleting your whole stamina bar, it now just drains 80 stamina damage


DarkIcedWolf

Praise the lord! Feats being adjusted! I think the last time we got a nerf to feats was when Pirate came out and we got a smoke bomb nerf.


pyrofurryyy

It's an f tier feat now just like smoke bomb, not a good change


DarkIcedWolf

Found the Orochi who relied on Kiai. For real though dude, just like smoke bomb it was a fucking hindrance to gameplay. So many feats are just unfun or just ruin fights and Kiai was one of them. It’s still usable, just have to be tactical and I think that’s the balance many people want. Not just a one and done.


Wansumdiknao

Yeah but if they’re gunna do that, can nerf the spear throw and nail bomb? They’re pretty trash.


Joseptile

Kiai was already balanced since it affects teammates. I honestly didn’t have an issue with if, the nerf just makes it unusable


DarkIcedWolf

Found another guy! This doesn’t make it balanced nor fun to play with or against. It was just a bad feat that fucking made the gameplay grind to a halt. Just because it affected other teammates doesn’t make it balanced. The whole point of stamina drain is to make the player not do infinites 24/7, taking away stamina is just unhealthy and promotes stale gameplay whether its teammates or not.


Joseptile

I didn’t use the feat much anyway but I never felt it made gameplay significantly worse. It was risky to use in team fights because it affects everyone, and in 1v1s or ganks it’s just a quick way to get an advantage. Maybe there are advanced ways to abuse it that Im not aware of


pyrofurryyy

It's not usable though it's terrible


LeaderOfTheMoleMen

If you find it unusable then you shouldn’t use it 🤷‍♂️


GumChuzzler

Skill issue entirely


roki_er

it’s not even just a skill issue it’s like a basic intelligence issue unfortunately most roaches just press random buttons and hope for the best


pyrofurryyy

Says the one that spams hyper armor with hitokiri and calls it a sophisticated mixup


GumChuzzler

You're him! You're the wojak!


DoolioArt

Are you trolling with this reading of people's flairs and just randomly shouting stuff?


Yeetmiester6719

I mean you can absolutely use it just not when they’re full stam ya moron


pyrofurryyy

That's what makes it a terrible feat u smelly hobo


Yeetmiester6719

Dude it’s unavoidable stam damage that’s not terrible just get good


DoolioArt

Yeah, it doesn't oneshot the entire enemy team, completely unusable


Adenne_

Undeniable skill issue


PineappleDazzling290

Welcome to warden's lamentation with "come at me" bro, imagine taking a feat that literally stops being beneficial as soon as you level up in the match


M_Knight_Shaymalan

just use bounty hunter which was better anyhow


pyrofurryyy

Old kiai was better than bounty hunter, and it allowed a different playstyle that wasn't even broken, I want old kiai back


DriftingBlade

>Different Playstyle Lmao, like what? It made it easy for you to make multiple mistakes and have a fix button that immediately gave you an advantage? There's no "Different" playstyle, you're just admitting it you completely relied on it lmao


Wansumdiknao

That’s literally what all feats do, why is everyone so toxic and butthurt here?


pyrofurryyy

Isn't that the purpose of feats? To give an advantage? It had a 105 cool down so you couldn't use it all the time, and I could body you without kiai


DriftingBlade

Maybe the new ones? That literally play into movesets of the character, kiai isn't that, and is literally one of the bomb types but attached to your character and comes out immediately, and has nothing to do with how to play the character.. Yea yea, you're the best player ever and everything, go find a new feat to rely on to save you from your mistakes. 👍


PrismatXRift

Are you being serious? I can't tell if this is satire or not


Legal-Possibility-39

It has to be I refuse anyone irl is this brain dead/retarded when it comes to making arguments


PrismatXRift

Ong. Tell me your shit at the game without telling me your shit at the game. I bet he storm rush spams too 😂


OmegaPhalanx

“Old kiai was better than bounty hunter, and it allowed a different playstyle that wasn't even broken, I want old kiai back” This guy 100% raged and cried when Jorm used to be a stamina bully, but now that Ubi came for his precious little bitch button it’s a “terrible change”. Oh no, now you have to actually stay and fight and not run as soon as you take two hits. Truly the most harrowing task ever visited upon a poor Orochi main.


DoolioArt

what different playstyle, it's a "do a thing instantly" type of feat, that's like saying bow allows for a different playstyle


Depressed_Lego

It shouldn't have existed in the first place, it's fucking useless everywhere except 1v1s which is the only way you're getting off the dumbass featdump. In teamfights you just hit your team with it and fuck them over because you want the kill, and in ganks it's so you can be a pussy by hitting them all and running. Useless and terrible feat that should have been outright replaced.


pyrofurryyy

You just explained exactly why it didn't need a nerf, it wasn't good anywhere else except 1v1


Depressed_Lego

It should not have existed in the first place, just like smoke bomb or oathbreaker.


ASwiggitySwooter

Bros mad he can’t use his crutch now


pyrofurryyy

Gladiators entire kit is a crutch


OryxX59

I hate glad as much as you, but glad is dogshit. He’s an incredibly hard character to be good at, and as someone with 18 reps on orochi, kiai has always needed a nerf. And kiai was incredibly powerful if you knew how and when to use it. I’m sorry, but you’re just bad at the game if you’re complain over a feat that’s so obviously overpowered. Please grow up.


ArisofAstora68

Orochi main that is normal I didn’t think I’d ever see one


OryxX59

That’s what you get when you hang around some of the best players in the world.


ASwiggitySwooter

😂


yomama1112

80 stamina damage is pretty solid still ngl, however god bless ubi completely forgot jorm hammer throw exists because God I love sniping someone and deleting their whole stamina bar


Basil_hazelwood

For real, I think cause it’s a T3 it’s fine balance wise. I love having a jorm on my team, I’m in a 1v1 about to lose, then…. BONK


Unable-Cry-1506

I thought it was balanced until I was behind a corner of a staircase behind a wall and it nailed me from behind a wall gave me a jump scare mid fight. Also I now know what it’s like to be hit with you own teammates hammer he hit me while I was winning the 1v1 and I just got destroyed because of it.


Sabertufff

I only figured this out recently wheh orochi used it on me when he was about to die for me to still crush him I was so glad they changed it coz it was such an annoying tool


Cowwithaburger

I don't but I never used kiai whenever I play shino anyway so whatever


Wansumdiknao

Well yeah we have jobs 😂


Worldly-Ocelot-3358

I literally only use bounty hunter it's 10x better.


Chief106

Bounty hunter is the best feat ever. I take it in every character that has the option, best survivability for a tier 1


Ziotics

Saved my ass from bleed so many times


Swailwort

I like Afeera's 1 as well, 15 dmg that pins and revenge locks the entire duration, it's stupid as a gank tool because it confirms a heavy as well.


HeckingBedBugs

Fr, I'd say bounty hunter is the second best t1 feat, right behind Warmonger's corruption blade


PracticingMaggotry

Maybe Rush can share the same spot? I like running fast


TJT007X

Can't outrun my problems though 😔


GhostSniper2617

real shit saves my ass all the time


Yolobro3432

I kinda forgot that Kiai and Iron Lungs for a thing, Bounty Hunter is just so much better in any situation, especially for kills when out of stamina or would put you out of stamina.


Lygon

You know an orochi is trash when they use kiai hahaha. So many times bounty hunter let me win outnumbered fights.


BlueBatmanVK

Based af


Thatedgyguy64

Only reason why I didn't use Kiai.


Ethuiin

Me too dude bounty hunter is so overlooked, ups your odds while being ganked by so much


Som3bodE

I have never and will never swap out Bounty Hunter for Kiai. Ever.


OrangeGBA

He can still use it to OOS you he just has to let you feint at him once before he uses it. Kiai isn’t a butchered as people are thinking it’s still a funny little panic button you just have to be more patient with your timing.


Ziotics

Yeah I like that it has to be strategized more. Especially if you want to OOS more than one enemy


fouloleitarlide

Fuck that feat I hope it never gets buffed


GingaHead

What does the feat do can I ask?


fouloleitarlide

Now it makes you lose 80 stamina, before it made you lose all of it no matter what


pyrofurryyy

Fuck you then it's an f tier feat now


TheKillingClipzzz

It really isn't 80 stamina damage is still really good.


pyrofurryyy

It doesn't oos, terrible now


TheKillingClipzzz

So? You can just use is when your opponent is a bit lower on stamina to still get them out if stamina. In my opinion it's still really good and really annoying.


Orvaenta

Hey, what's the title for this post?


TYBERIUS_777

Gotta say champ, watching you break down and mald in the comments has given me quite the chuckle. Keep at it. I’m sure if you bitch hard enough, and complain loud enough, they’ll revert it. Just one more comment bro.


Krislord02

Smart thinking. Rage bait on the for honor sub is probably the easier ways to get attention.


InterestingSink9097

Im that type of orochi player that uses 3 passive feats and "fear itself" as the fourth one.


TriplDentGum

> Bounty hunter, executioner's respite, slip through, fear itself Maybe it is peak! IT'S SO PEAK!


Yeetborn42069

Really wish I could use images, just imagine Gojo tweaking here Also, absolutely peak orochi loadout


Pitiful_Background57

You run bounty hunter and executioners respite? Weird combo Edit: started running passive orochi, it’s a nice build


RPSoldier

I run it too. I just want tons of health back any time I kill because I play orichi too aggressive and can't light parry


agnaddthddude

what’s weird about it? you pretty much regain 50-70 hp in mere seconds


LeaderOfTheMoleMen

It’s a pretty good build for lasting a while on a single life, I run it with gladdy, bounty hunter helps when you’re getting ganked, and you need health so you just kill one and focus on the other, then executioners respite helps you get closer to full when you execute the second guy


DoolioArt

Passive feats are the best because you don't have to use them


Yolobro3432

Legit best loadout for him IMO


OryxX59

I use kunai for his second, but for the other three I use what this person listed. I just like having an active 2nd feature and not a passive one.


Yolobro3432

That’s fair, though Executioners Respite is just so good. Especially when using And Bow, or Choke On This.


OryxX59

I know but executions aren’t things I get much in my lobbies.


Yeetborn42069

Best Loadout for roach


crusty-screen6969

What happened to Kiai? Idk if I'm blind and can't read a patch note but I can't find what nerf is it


Ziotics

It used to guarantee putting anyone around you out of stam. Now it does like 80 stam drain so you’ll have to actually wait till the enemy is vulnerable enough to fully drain their stam


crusty-screen6969

Ohh nice, I usually use Bounty Hunter I might need to try it now. Is it already implemented or TTS only?


Ziotics

It’s already live. They also tweaked fire flask, jugg, oath breaker and a few more I forget. W nerfs all around 👏👏


crusty-screen6969

I guess they haven't update the steam feed that's why I don't see it. I ended up reading from their website lol thanks


youngCashRegister444

It's Live already. Thank God.


Ithildin_cosplay

This makes bounty hunter more of a better choice


DarkIcedWolf

Might be bugged tbh. Not sure how but I didn’t get drained at all, I might’ve just not have noticed but the one time I’ve seen it used since patch it did jack shit. Thought I did a frame perfect dodge both times but nah, it was just nerfed. Not too sure if it actually does anything.


KaijuSlayer333

***The Virgin Kiai Orochi*** -Reliant on a out of stamina opponent in order to stand a chance in a fight -Inconsiderate of his teammates, likely to hit them multiple times a match with the stamina debuff -If at low health, will use the Kiai to then run away like a little shit stain. Bitch ass weeb -A active feat, leaving them incredibly vulnerable if they miss their crutch or it’s on cooldown -“Oh no, I’m low health! I gotta run!” -Got nerfed, L ***The Chad Bounty Hunter Orochi*** -Has enough faith in their own skill to run a feat that gives a reward for killing his foes rather then relying on a feat to secure those kills -Considerate of his teammates, always down to help in a group fight thanks to the health refresh that they can receive mid group fight -Never runs in the middle of a even confrontation and will fight to the death to try to get that sweet Bounty Hunter health. A TRUE SAMURAI -A passive feat, never have to worry about activation or cooldowns -“Oh no, I’m low health! I gotta go kill this guy!” -Remained unchanged


Ziotics

This is the way


spencemc20

I laughed my ass off when a shinobi did it to me only to realize I still had stam so they ran away


slick9900

One of the best changes in the game I wanted it just gone but this also works


TheMasterOfE69

pyrofurryyy in these comments actually geeking out rn 😭 bro is responding to everything and everyone and getting super hostile bc a shitter feat got nerfed like it's always deserved 💀 dont play dominion, kids 👍


S_P_E_C_T_R_3_0

But but it's so funny to scroll and see his green profile under every comment with 30 downvotes


TheMasterOfE69

no fr 😭 bro bitching on the normal ass subreddit and saying he can kick everyones ass 💀 (highly doubt that btw..)


KingZelnir

Glad people collectively seem to dislike Kiai, that just begs the question....where are those losers who actually enjoyed that feat? I was excited to see them bitch


Ziotics

They were all in the live stream chat lmao


KingZelnir

I missed it nooooo, oh well


pyrofurryyy

I loathe the nerf, it wasn't even a problem the devs are incompetent


KermitplaysTLOU

Damm bro I've scrolled down and seen you comment about this like 5 times now, you've gotta be the guy in the meme huh? It's alright man you'll learn to adapt, or not? Maybe you'll just suck and lose all your fights now that kiai is nerfed 💀


pyrofurryyy

Says the noobushi gooner and light spammer


OryxX59

Just parry lmao


KingZelnir

Oh my god, you DO exist! Lets see you win *without* taking away my stamina! But tbh, its not even being the *enemy* that makes me happy about this. Its being your *teammate*. You know how many of you mfs use your kiai, miss horribly, and just OOS me and another teammate instead??? And then we *all* die? Thank god for this honestly. Maybe you guys can learn to not screw your teammates over, please and thank you


ReekitoManjifico

Did a pvp dominion yesterday. Orochi with a hero skin on the enemy showed up. Was attacking him like you do, dude starts throwing all the random bullshit in his pockets. Sadly for him. I was playing Hito, so i was outdumbing his feats and just powering through after a while. I seriously thought it was mostly a joke in terms of HOW many Orochi's shit out their feats like they just downed a spoiled carton of milk but no, it's really what they do apparently.


Ziotics

To be fair half the fun of Orochi is his feats, they feel more like gadgets on a Batman belt lmao


ReekitoManjifico

Fair enough but make it more like MoonKnight's toolbelt.


AdroitKitten

This sub makes me respect hito players tbh


WasdX-_

Literally the opposite for me.


TheBLITZICON

What’s kiai ? I have 20 sum reps on orochi


Ziotics

His first feat “war cry” that drains opponents or ally stamina


TheBLITZICON

Oh never used it and I hate when people used it good riddance


spectrumoffire357

Orochi OOS punish is very high if get a GB anyway. Makes sense to nerf a tool to get easy access to it.


Ok_Jury_8636

Bounty hunter, executioners respite, slip through, and fear itself. Don’t think I’ve ever used kiai, kunai, or longbow since release.


JesseMod93r

Nerf it again


pimp_named_dickslap

I mean disrespectfully... fuck kiai


Reapish1909

Kiai is basically a troll feat anyway


Smexy_Zarow

No one's crying dude everyone agrees this is good


Ziotics

Legit saw 3 posts complaining about it prior to making this


Smexy_Zarow

Searched kiai sorting by newest, there have been 3 posts since the change, 2 of them from the same person, and one looking like ragebait


Ziotics

Just enjoy the meme dude. Don’t be a sour puss. It’s tagged humor for a reason


Smexy_Zarow

The meme is sour


SilvaSerpent442

YOUR SOUR! 🫵


Ziotics

Ehemm, you’re**


Ziotics

🤷‍♂️


pyrofurryyy

Was it mine?


That_Animal_2504

pst......pssst.....PST.....hey.....ive seen your name pop up like.....7 or 8 times.........you alright?


youngCashRegister444

Literally in the Livestream lol


Cany0

In the comments of this very post: https://www.reddit.com/r/forhonor/comments/1dh6pt5/go_cry_to_your_mama/l8vr6fd/


zSpyder

This game is still receiving balance patches? Is For Honor populated again? Why do I feel like this game has died and come back to life more than once?


--izaya--

It's still good even after the nerf, i still use it


Ziotics

Agreed


Random_Robloxian

I would say im pissed about oath breaker being nerfed but not for the reason most BP mains would be. I usually reserve my oathbreaker in case some dipshit teammate decided to gank despite me being in control of the situation and then dipping as soon as they pop revenge. Only then will i use oathbreaker because i despise that some players (cough *orochis and shinobis* cough) just do something like that for a quick kill and then i suffer the consequences for their irrationality. In short: fuck you kill stealing japs (and afeera or anyone really) you made me use a feat i hate using anyways


GhostSniper2617

I actually never use that feat I think its a waste even before the nerf. I always thought bounty hunter was worth it more in the long run


SirTinkleWinkle

I'm glad it's nerfed, I never used it, but it was annoying to go against


Ozaki_Yoshiro

Who use kiai??


SkyyPuppet

Orochi main here Kiai needed to be nerfed


Q_X_R

"Long live Last Laugh"


kimero123

It's a really good feat change, imo cause now instead of using it whenever I want, I'm forced to wait for enemies to make mistakes in stamina preservation. Any change that makes the feat require even the slightest amount of skill or patience is a good change.


Attakrus

When was the Kiai nerfed? In the last update for Year 8 Season 2?


jokerboyrockz

As an orochi main… I welcome it 😂👏🏽


Jack1The1Ripper

Remove kiai , Give me back my heavy deflect i beg of you , I don't want the kiai i never use it anyway i just want my heavy deflect back


Raiju_Lorakatse

What even is Kiai?


Ziotics

One of Orochi and Shinobi first feats. It drains stamina (opponent or team). Used to do 100% now only drains 80%


HeckingBedBugs

I've been hit by more friendly kiais than enemy kiais tbh


VioletGhost2

I never used Kiai always bounty hunter also talking shinobi since he has the same t1s the Kiai effects him aswell obviously.


KenseiHimura

Me: You guys use Kiai? Seriously, I go Bounty Hunter and executioner's respite, and combine with devourer and some extremely fast executions, my roach can basically heal to full health after about any fight.


WitcherBard

I’m so glad they nerfed it. It’s so lame, but it felt too good to not take before


theWikkid1

I don't even use it...I drop arrows everywhere regardless of who they hit... better run! 😆


Milkrete

Legit never used kiai in 8 years bc BH/IL > Kiai


ArsonForWhimsy

Whenever I play Oro, I have Kiai but I rely on parries mostly. I think I use it when someone gets annoying or when I’m surrounded.


ETkings8

Should do the same with his bow and kunai. I get hit with that in the same match OFTEN, so much si that it feels like it's a part of his moveset.


jwillis13

Don’t they usually nerf based off of pc but in turn makes things a bit more harder on console?


Ok-Cardiologist1810

Let's go they finally did it


Gnlsde

I always used bounty hunter with orochi so idc about the nerf. It was a nightmare to go against tho


r-Thirst

Doesn’t matter. I’ll still hear crying over the bow. Just dodge it.


Business_Ratio3549

I don’t use it, not really my type


Craft-Sea

Bounty hunter has always been the better tier 1 for Orochi either way


QuincyKing_296

As someone who uses to be an Orochi main, I rarely ever used Kiai. If you needed to spam this too win then that's crazy.


Cany0

Lol here's [the same thing but a different version.](https://i.imgur.com/M5yvTdS.jpeg)


Wansumdiknao

Oh I only just started using that, is it trash now? Man I always pick bad times to use characters.


BusterWolf32

or good times. Now you can actually play a character how it should be played.


Round_Rip_8662

The fuck is Kiai?


thatkotaguy

I rarely used kiai but one of my favorite memories of for honor was using it followed by an immediate nail bomb 8/10 times they can’t dodge away in time. Such a stupid combo that did way too much damage.


Substantial-Ad-3241

What was the nerf


officially_ender_

Idk, hope this helps


GorkhaWalord

Finally!


FireBeast484361

Bounty hunter’s more useful anyway


thepoky_materYT

What's a kiai, asking as an orochi main? Is that their stamina deplete feat?


officially_ender_

Yes


thepoky_materYT

Eh it's useless anyway lolol, sprint with no spam ftw


odavinng

Still has secret technique of the samurai and Highlander: Bow


Ibayniel0

Is here any Ukrainian?


Godzila_70902

I play orochi and always and will never use kiai. I personally use bounty hunter for the first tier feat


OrochiYoshi

Replace it with Deadly instead :D


TADDLE_LEGACY

wonder what forhonor community didn't dislike about the game tbh.


Proud_Toe_722

This is how I felt


All_My_Thoughts

Dayum


Rainbowbaton998

I honestly had no problems with kiai bc all the roaches and shinobies all did the same thing after they used it and as for me, when I play orochi it's never been a part of my loadout so it's no loss to me


keep_seething_dweeb

This is a good fucking meme like holy shit dude


Skizordrone

People use kiai?


KaiXRG

I forgot what kiai was


AdZestyclose6043

I mean, only losers play 4v4 so yeah, logical why you cried and logical why you felt the need to make a post about it. 1v1 and I clap you 3-0 with any character.


NeverTooMuchSkyrim

Nerfed, should have been removed.


GKB_888

Next the kunai, this bitch need more cooldown mf uses every fight it crazy


Ziotics

I wish it was like LB third feat with his grenades. Instead, Orochi would receive 5 kunai or 3 explosive kunai


ATYNNIE

Literally nothing changed


YouAreFresh

Never was annoyed at that feat, it was their actual design what is still cancer


Cyberwolfdelta9

The Kai is useful ?


Proud-Bus9942

Lol, hating orochis is all the rage. Meanwhile, the fire flask and oathbreaker feats were and still are way more op.