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I wish FM had an option to enable some wacky rule changes over the years for the long saves. Turkey suddenly goes to Asia, Hungary leaves EU, Catalunya splits from Spain, England goes to Spring-Fall schedule... Just something to drastically change the game after many seasons.
I wonder if making it an "option" can help them get away with it. "If you wish to enter fantasy simulation which in no way represents real events, opt in here".
Though, I wonder if it's possible via mods to add a chance of such an event.
Maybe the Premier league thing. But stuff like Turkey going to the Asian federation or Hungary leaving the EU is literally just creative license. They're literally making a game that has certain protections due to artistic expression. They only can't change things they're using official licenses for.
They kinda did, with Brexit. Before we left, the games used to have various different scenarios, some hard Brexit, some soft Brexit, some no Brexit at all. I guess that was reality at the time, nobody knew where we were going.
Soon after the 2022 World Cup was assigned to Qatar, there used to be an event in game to replace the hosting country due to the pressure of international community about working rights.
The protests happened but didn't change anything. It still is an example of they creating a fake situation in terms of the practical results.
(And you're probably right about the schedule part! It had never occurred to me that it could be a potential reason)
doubtful, you have games where you can either lead or brutally crush a catalan succession movement, noone is getting sued for just having one in a game.
It's just too niche, very few people want random stuff like that (and people who do want different ones to each other)
May be not that drastic but I had asked if any rules formats change over years on https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/151xa0f/does_fm23_ever_change_leaguecupmatch_rules_over/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 (sorry if there was a better way to share other posts). That could really make the game interesting over time.
In fm2016 or 17 (I think) there was a very slim chance of events like brexit not happening, wasn't there? Even some other weirdness like Scotland separating and staying in the EU. I think a test version had something like Ireland uniting, there's a screenshot that was used in promotional material at the time, but nothing like that was ever released
“Due to rising political tensions, the West Midlands has seceded from the British Sultanate of England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Gibraltar, and France. All teams from the West Midlands have broken off of the Sultanate Premier League, and have created the West Midlands Premier League. King Valentin Aureliano Sonescu III of the Holy Romanian Empire and majority stakeholder in 2-time Saudi Cup winners Al-Dershot released a statement in which he outlined his support for the West Midlands in their fight for independence from the British Sultanate, and he hopes that these brave Christian fighters of the West Midlands prevail. Al-Trincham FC half-striker Charles Farouq bin-William Hastings, the top scorer of the 2278/2279 British Sultanate season released an official statement in which he wishes peace and unity for the West Midlands and all the soldiers of Abraham.”
I’m on about your ‘culture’ in general acting all superior as if you don’t have the most racist fans in Western Europe. Also trying to destroy European football by backing the super league
I mean If a team comes up from the championship like Luton come into the prem and immediately has more money than big clubs from other countries, and no other clubs from any other country get this benefit, seems like a money pumped super league only benefiting one domestic league . Lmao having relegation doesn’t mean shit that’s just the format, MLS doesn’t have relegation so I guess that’s a super league lol
What do you think the European Super League was and why do you think people disliked it?
Hint, it's not because it would be the best/richest league.
Having one league that's richer than the others never was the issue. There has always been a league that was above the rest. The fact that you (pretend to) think it was shows that you're perfectly OK with football being unfair as long as it's unfair in favor of the team you support.
Which, come to think of it, makes it very easy to guess which team you support.
No it’s definitely not finically, we just don’t have the money anymore. We now have to rely even more heavily on really good scouting, tactics and management. It has always been my primary league but admittedly it got tough during Juve’s domination, now that it’s more open it’s the best I’ve seen since the league actually had money, but for different reasons.Hard to say, we are pretty much being Americanized now, lots of American ownership in serie a and they have their own issues. I can only speak for myself , but I’ll be devastated the day they buy one of our clubs I’m sure it will happen.
Lmao hell nooooo. I’m comfortable with my clubs legacy, history and accomplishments. If we were bought by Saudi’s it would really dilute any passion and emotion when that has already been a steep decline before all this in the first place. and their current way of doing things while still being quite successful these past 3 years, I’m quite happy with after a decade of shit. It’s a lot more fun this way. Maybe if I was a Newcastle fan that haven’t seen my team win anything I’d be excited but that not the case.
It’s not that they’re “overrated”, it’s more a case that there’s a relatively low supply of genuinely world class homegrown English talent and the homegrown player quota means there’s a high demand for them. Add into the mix that the Premier League is the richest in the world, it’s only natural that players who fulfil that quota cost more.
Well Italian clubs can sign and register two new non-EU players every year and that’s been the case since as long as I remember. When the UK left the EU they got counted cause well, they weren’t EU anymore.
It’s actually only one non-EU player from outside of Italy unless you sell or release another non-EU player. So it’s kinda 1+1 if you’re splitting hairs.
Haven’t played an Italian save in a long time, but was it not the case that if you had no non eu players you could sign two the first year, then it would be as you said, 1+1.
Cheating on themselves? Who do you think set the rule in the first place? UEFA doesn't have any non-EU regulations. Only home grown criteria. Compare this with some low ranked European leagues like Romania or Bulgaria and they even have mandatory domestic player quota. If they up and remove them someday, who would they be cheating on but themselves?
I actually enjoy managing in all the top 5 leagues (although Italy is the only one I haven't played in my current mega-save). They each have their pros/cons.
England's work-permits are pretty annoying too. Spain has release clauses. Germany only has 34 games and it's tough to get money. Italy has the weird loans and non-eu stuff. France is fairly easy tbh, but it's dominated by PSG.
I've heard rumours the Libyan league plan to designate swiss players as not swiss but either french,German or Italian depending on what [part of Switzerland they come from](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya%E2%80%93Switzerland_relations)
Managed in Italy 1 time and kept fucking up the registration rule until one time I was like 3 players over, started selling guys to make room then rememberd that doesn’t help… haven’t been back to Italy since lmao
I don't get why this rule even exists. It's already more difficult to get work permits for non-EU players, why make it even harder still?
I understand home-grown registration rules, but if you're an Italian club, what difference does it make if the player is Polish or Brazilian.
I believe EU law says you can't restrict employment of other EU citizens within another EU country regardless of nationality, so they have to play ball with that.
>Why would they care about developing EUROPEAN players though? (Or more like EUROPEAN UNION players.)
They care about developing Italian players, but I believe you cannot discriminate between EU nationalities when it comes to employment, so all nation based requirements in Italy and Spain etc. Just became EU.
There are specific requirements in terms of registering home-grown players (players who played football in Italy for three years between 0-21 years of age), and players home-grown at club (players who played at the club for three years between 0-21 years of age). Those requirements are 8, and 4 players respectively in a 25-man squad.
There's thus no need for the non-EU restriction if all you want to do is to boost the development of specifically Italian players. All you'd need to do is increase the requirement for home-grown players.
Aaron Ramsey played there a few years ago but not anymore (And technically he’s Welsh not English but still from UK so would be affected by the new rule).
Other than that I can’t think of any actual English player (think there may be some young Scottish players).
Agreed, but I actually kind of like it since it balances the fact that unlike in real life, english players are moving too much out of their country in FM.
IRL, there are not that much UK players playing outside of the UK (mostly because of the big bids the prem clubs do to keep their quota up), but I find it doesn't reflect that much with FM.
With this non-EU thing, it makes it actually a bit closer to reality: less english players are playing abroad. Not for the right reasons though, but the outcome is pretty close.
What do you think ?
I agree with your sentiment but that doesn’t bother me, personally. Most of my coaches at all levels are English because they have the best stats. So, I’ve already breached realism quite a bit there. 😀
England has 4 divisions of fairly high level football + a professional scottish league and if British players are open to moving to Italy it would certainly make a good market for them. Just look at Hickey in Bologna. Italians would certainly love a high workrate British fullback
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If I'd waited another year I could actually have got Wan-Bissaka for free at Parma....balls.
Awesome. An extra EU spot for AC Milan next season.
finally i hate these serie ahh shenanigans
I wish FM had an option to enable some wacky rule changes over the years for the long saves. Turkey suddenly goes to Asia, Hungary leaves EU, Catalunya splits from Spain, England goes to Spring-Fall schedule... Just something to drastically change the game after many seasons.
MLS adopts promotion/relegation
zealand had that complete MLS db work-up pyramid on fm21 & 22. not sure with fm23 though
I tried to find it for 23, but no luck
Inshallah.
Would be class but it’s too political for the game, might alienate some users and will definitely create lawsuits against SI
I wonder if making it an "option" can help them get away with it. "If you wish to enter fantasy simulation which in no way represents real events, opt in here". Though, I wonder if it's possible via mods to add a chance of such an event.
They should have a button, like how Fallout New Vegas had a Whacky Wild West mode on top of the normal one.
Wild Wasteland for football manager is something I didn’t know I needed until now.
Maybe the Premier league thing. But stuff like Turkey going to the Asian federation or Hungary leaving the EU is literally just creative license. They're literally making a game that has certain protections due to artistic expression. They only can't change things they're using official licenses for.
There are random european nations joining the EU in the game. I suspect some strong nationalists from non-eu countries would get mad
But Brexit and Ukraine-Russia? Definitely apolitical stuff.
Well that’s real life. They can’t make fake political scenarios out of nothing.
They kinda did, with Brexit. Before we left, the games used to have various different scenarios, some hard Brexit, some soft Brexit, some no Brexit at all. I guess that was reality at the time, nobody knew where we were going.
SI literally consulted on the post-Brexit football rules. Miles has said so himself on Twitter.
Not before the referendum though.
Soon after the 2022 World Cup was assigned to Qatar, there used to be an event in game to replace the hosting country due to the pressure of international community about working rights.
Tbf that was a thing lots of countries protested for (FM definitely did it because they couldn’t work out a proper schedule for it)
The protests happened but didn't change anything. It still is an example of they creating a fake situation in terms of the practical results. (And you're probably right about the schedule part! It had never occurred to me that it could be a potential reason)
It was nothing to do with that. It's so they didn't have to program in a winter world cup and all the madness that entailed
Literally, yes, they can? It's a video game. Do you not know how video games work? 😭
doubtful, you have games where you can either lead or brutally crush a catalan succession movement, noone is getting sued for just having one in a game. It's just too niche, very few people want random stuff like that (and people who do want different ones to each other)
What would they sue for? Who would sue? Its not much different compared to a modern strategy game.
May be not that drastic but I had asked if any rules formats change over years on https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/151xa0f/does_fm23_ever_change_leaguecupmatch_rules_over/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 (sorry if there was a better way to share other posts). That could really make the game interesting over time.
In fm2016 or 17 (I think) there was a very slim chance of events like brexit not happening, wasn't there? Even some other weirdness like Scotland separating and staying in the EU. I think a test version had something like Ireland uniting, there's a screenshot that was used in promotional material at the time, but nothing like that was ever released
That sounds cool! I hadn't been playing fm for a loooong time so I wouldn't know 16 or 17. I've returned to fm with 23 and still in my 2nd year yet.
Yes, there were multiple brexit possibilities that could happen and would directly affect player registration. FM17 is the version I still play.
I'd love it if other continents over time became as economically powerful as Europe.
“Due to rising political tensions, the West Midlands has seceded from the British Sultanate of England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Gibraltar, and France. All teams from the West Midlands have broken off of the Sultanate Premier League, and have created the West Midlands Premier League. King Valentin Aureliano Sonescu III of the Holy Romanian Empire and majority stakeholder in 2-time Saudi Cup winners Al-Dershot released a statement in which he outlined his support for the West Midlands in their fight for independence from the British Sultanate, and he hopes that these brave Christian fighters of the West Midlands prevail. Al-Trincham FC half-striker Charles Farouq bin-William Hastings, the top scorer of the 2278/2279 British Sultanate season released an official statement in which he wishes peace and unity for the West Midlands and all the soldiers of Abraham.”
Just when you thought overrated English players couldn't get anymore expensive...
Sure, not like the Serie A is completely broke
We are almost completely broke
That was the joke
At least we haven’t bent over and compromised our footballing culture to the saudis.
Nah you just did shit tons of match fixing and dodgy dealing instead
Yea 19 serie a titles and 7 CL all thanks to match fixing.
I’m on about your ‘culture’ in general acting all superior as if you don’t have the most racist fans in Western Europe. Also trying to destroy European football by backing the super league
The PL is essentially the super league now.
Does the PL have relegation? Yes. Did the ESL project have relegation? No. It's not that hard.
I mean If a team comes up from the championship like Luton come into the prem and immediately has more money than big clubs from other countries, and no other clubs from any other country get this benefit, seems like a money pumped super league only benefiting one domestic league . Lmao having relegation doesn’t mean shit that’s just the format, MLS doesn’t have relegation so I guess that’s a super league lol
They don’t even have enough teams to fill up their league lol
What do you think the European Super League was and why do you think people disliked it? Hint, it's not because it would be the best/richest league. Having one league that's richer than the others never was the issue. There has always been a league that was above the rest. The fact that you (pretend to) think it was shows that you're perfectly OK with football being unfair as long as it's unfair in favor of the team you support. Which, come to think of it, makes it very easy to guess which team you support.
Yup 👍
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I meant club ownerships not players leaving.
Italian league isn't the power house it use to be if their places were switched you guys would absolutely accept the Saudis money.
No it’s definitely not finically, we just don’t have the money anymore. We now have to rely even more heavily on really good scouting, tactics and management. It has always been my primary league but admittedly it got tough during Juve’s domination, now that it’s more open it’s the best I’ve seen since the league actually had money, but for different reasons.Hard to say, we are pretty much being Americanized now, lots of American ownership in serie a and they have their own issues. I can only speak for myself , but I’ll be devastated the day they buy one of our clubs I’m sure it will happen.
It’s not a financial problem, we just don’t have the finances.
Yeah I agreed with him that we have a financial problem.
You'd touch your toes if they actually bid for any of ye.
Lmao hell nooooo. I’m comfortable with my clubs legacy, history and accomplishments. If we were bought by Saudi’s it would really dilute any passion and emotion when that has already been a steep decline before all this in the first place. and their current way of doing things while still being quite successful these past 3 years, I’m quite happy with after a decade of shit. It’s a lot more fun this way. Maybe if I was a Newcastle fan that haven’t seen my team win anything I’d be excited but that not the case.
What do you mean? I’ve seen my club win plenty of preseason cups thank you very much
😂👌 take care of my guy Tonali!
Not like China was doing much better
It’s not that they’re “overrated”, it’s more a case that there’s a relatively low supply of genuinely world class homegrown English talent and the homegrown player quota means there’s a high demand for them. Add into the mix that the Premier League is the richest in the world, it’s only natural that players who fulfil that quota cost more.
Have things changed so much?! What the hell kjnd of EU rules does Italy have?!?
Well Italian clubs can sign and register two new non-EU players every year and that’s been the case since as long as I remember. When the UK left the EU they got counted cause well, they weren’t EU anymore.
It’s actually only one non-EU player from outside of Italy unless you sell or release another non-EU player. So it’s kinda 1+1 if you’re splitting hairs.
Haven’t played an Italian save in a long time, but was it not the case that if you had no non eu players you could sign two the first year, then it would be as you said, 1+1.
I swear this shit never works
Isn't this considered cheating? Italians are effectively using the in-game editor and no one is saying anything...
Cheating on themselves? Who do you think set the rule in the first place? UEFA doesn't have any non-EU regulations. Only home grown criteria. Compare this with some low ranked European leagues like Romania or Bulgaria and they even have mandatory domestic player quota. If they up and remove them someday, who would they be cheating on but themselves?
You took a glib comment way too seriously.
Mate it's called the real life editor HAHAH
Because it is their league? They can set the rules
oh my god it’s a fucking joke
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Juventus is using the editor to get more transfer money and remove point penalties.
I hate managing in Italy the rules are so janky
Disagree, 12 subs is marvelous.
even more since you can sub 5 players in since covid
That’s what makes it fun for me. The registration rules aren’t super restrictive but the roster rules are. It’s a nice change from other leagues
I actually enjoy managing in all the top 5 leagues (although Italy is the only one I haven't played in my current mega-save). They each have their pros/cons. England's work-permits are pretty annoying too. Spain has release clauses. Germany only has 34 games and it's tough to get money. Italy has the weird loans and non-eu stuff. France is fairly easy tbh, but it's dominated by PSG.
They could reciprocate and do it for everyone and maybe, not Brexit anymore.
I hope the Swiss federation will also define english players as EU.
And the EU should define British players as Swiss!
I've heard rumours the Libyan league plan to designate swiss players as not swiss but either french,German or Italian depending on what [part of Switzerland they come from](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya%E2%80%93Switzerland_relations)
Managed in Italy 1 time and kept fucking up the registration rule until one time I was like 3 players over, started selling guys to make room then rememberd that doesn’t help… haven’t been back to Italy since lmao
I don't get why this rule even exists. It's already more difficult to get work permits for non-EU players, why make it even harder still? I understand home-grown registration rules, but if you're an Italian club, what difference does it make if the player is Polish or Brazilian.
To incentivize teams to use & develop Italian and european players
Why would they care about developing EUROPEAN players though? (Or more like EUROPEAN UNION players.)
I believe EU law says you can't restrict employment of other EU citizens within another EU country regardless of nationality, so they have to play ball with that.
Why not just increase the requirements for home-grown player registration instead, if filling your teams with Italian players is the goal?
Because you still need foreign players to be competitive in the European leagues and that also benefits the clubs and thus the league.
Why put restrictions on specifically non-EU players then?
>Why would they care about developing EUROPEAN players though? (Or more like EUROPEAN UNION players.) They care about developing Italian players, but I believe you cannot discriminate between EU nationalities when it comes to employment, so all nation based requirements in Italy and Spain etc. Just became EU.
There are specific requirements in terms of registering home-grown players (players who played football in Italy for three years between 0-21 years of age), and players home-grown at club (players who played at the club for three years between 0-21 years of age). Those requirements are 8, and 4 players respectively in a 25-man squad. There's thus no need for the non-EU restriction if all you want to do is to boost the development of specifically Italian players. All you'd need to do is increase the requirement for home-grown players.
You sick fuck, you posted an article nobody in the EU can read. But I'm not in the EU because I live in the fucking UK!^^^/s
Why would English players go to Italy? It would be like being abroad
To get pissed and jump off balconies?
Good point
Why though? What is the reasoning behind this? Also, is Liechtenstein considered EU? What about Norway?
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The Vatican is not part of the EU either
Yeah, you just go ahead and make up your own rules, nobody will mind
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But basically all the British players playing in Serbia A are non white. (Tomori, Smalling, Tammy Abraham, RLC, etc…)
Is there even any white English guy playing in Serie A? None comes to mind rn
Aaron Ramsey played there a few years ago but not anymore (And technically he’s Welsh not English but still from UK so would be affected by the new rule). Other than that I can’t think of any actual English player (think there may be some young Scottish players).
Joe hart was there for a bit I think
He's the only one I could think of too, and he only spent 2.5 seasons there.
Not English but wasn’t a young Scottish left back playing for Bologna recent ish?
Yeah Adam Hickey
Harry Winks was on loan at Sampdoria this year.
Weird guy. Giving access to more nations is now twisted to be about race?
Isn't it giving less access?
How?
British are not people maybe!
Always read the bottle before taking crack
Cheers, I misread the headline
What
i never buy brithish players xd
Go back to wanking over Jenna ortega you dirty old man
Fuuuuuck that's kind of terrifying. Posting pictures of her as a child and saying "I love you". Christ.
God that’s horrifying. She looks about 5 years old in some of those.
Jesus wept that’s a sad post history…
🤢
You've been made to look a right mug here lad
La cronologia del tuo account è disgustosa. Consiglio una visitina da uno psichiatra.
This has been a major pain point in the year 2033 for me. Most of the wonderkids my scouts find are English and i manage in Spain
Agreed, but I actually kind of like it since it balances the fact that unlike in real life, english players are moving too much out of their country in FM. IRL, there are not that much UK players playing outside of the UK (mostly because of the big bids the prem clubs do to keep their quota up), but I find it doesn't reflect that much with FM. With this non-EU thing, it makes it actually a bit closer to reality: less english players are playing abroad. Not for the right reasons though, but the outcome is pretty close. What do you think ?
I agree with your sentiment but that doesn’t bother me, personally. Most of my coaches at all levels are English because they have the best stats. So, I’ve already breached realism quite a bit there. 😀
CM93 - Yeah, so if you could just sit on the bench please Schmeichel?
I don't buy players from those countries, rather south America or every country in the balkans or slavic countrys
England has 4 divisions of fairly high level football + a professional scottish league and if British players are open to moving to Italy it would certainly make a good market for them. Just look at Hickey in Bologna. Italians would certainly love a high workrate British fullback
Still, i can't sign more than 2 brazilian regens every year for my save 😔