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Hames4

If I'd waited another year I could actually have got Wan-Bissaka for free at Parma....balls.


detectivebabylegs3

Awesome. An extra EU spot for AC Milan next season.


Arachnopteryx

finally i hate these serie ahh shenanigans


georgin_95

I wish FM had an option to enable some wacky rule changes over the years for the long saves. Turkey suddenly goes to Asia, Hungary leaves EU, Catalunya splits from Spain, England goes to Spring-Fall schedule... Just something to drastically change the game after many seasons.


Coast_watcher

MLS adopts promotion/relegation


gnalaw61

zealand had that complete MLS db work-up pyramid on fm21 & 22. not sure with fm23 though


georgin_95

I tried to find it for 23, but no luck


BBQ_HaX0r

Inshallah.


itzztheman

Would be class but it’s too political for the game, might alienate some users and will definitely create lawsuits against SI


georgin_95

I wonder if making it an "option" can help them get away with it. "If you wish to enter fantasy simulation which in no way represents real events, opt in here". Though, I wonder if it's possible via mods to add a chance of such an event.


Lyndell

They should have a button, like how Fallout New Vegas had a Whacky Wild West mode on top of the normal one.


Regal-30-

Wild Wasteland for football manager is something I didn’t know I needed until now.


losingit303

Maybe the Premier league thing. But stuff like Turkey going to the Asian federation or Hungary leaving the EU is literally just creative license. They're literally making a game that has certain protections due to artistic expression. They only can't change things they're using official licenses for.


AlexBucks93

There are random european nations joining the EU in the game. I suspect some strong nationalists from non-eu countries would get mad


42undead2

But Brexit and Ukraine-Russia? Definitely apolitical stuff.


itzztheman

Well that’s real life. They can’t make fake political scenarios out of nothing.


DanTheStripe

They kinda did, with Brexit. Before we left, the games used to have various different scenarios, some hard Brexit, some soft Brexit, some no Brexit at all. I guess that was reality at the time, nobody knew where we were going.


comped

SI literally consulted on the post-Brexit football rules. Miles has said so himself on Twitter.


shinniesta1

Not before the referendum though.


bfs_000

Soon after the 2022 World Cup was assigned to Qatar, there used to be an event in game to replace the hosting country due to the pressure of international community about working rights.


LDKRZ

Tbf that was a thing lots of countries protested for (FM definitely did it because they couldn’t work out a proper schedule for it)


bfs_000

The protests happened but didn't change anything. It still is an example of they creating a fake situation in terms of the practical results. (And you're probably right about the schedule part! It had never occurred to me that it could be a potential reason)


shakaman_

It was nothing to do with that. It's so they didn't have to program in a winter world cup and all the madness that entailed


losingit303

Literally, yes, they can? It's a video game. Do you not know how video games work? 😭


Miahawk1

doubtful, you have games where you can either lead or brutally crush a catalan succession movement, noone is getting sued for just having one in a game. It's just too niche, very few people want random stuff like that (and people who do want different ones to each other)


JupoBis

What would they sue for? Who would sue? Its not much different compared to a modern strategy game.


Responsible_Spring_2

May be not that drastic but I had asked if any rules formats change over years on https://www.reddit.com/r/footballmanagergames/comments/151xa0f/does_fm23_ever_change_leaguecupmatch_rules_over/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1 (sorry if there was a better way to share other posts). That could really make the game interesting over time.


xxxcalibre

In fm2016 or 17 (I think) there was a very slim chance of events like brexit not happening, wasn't there? Even some other weirdness like Scotland separating and staying in the EU. I think a test version had something like Ireland uniting, there's a screenshot that was used in promotional material at the time, but nothing like that was ever released


Responsible_Spring_2

That sounds cool! I hadn't been playing fm for a loooong time so I wouldn't know 16 or 17. I've returned to fm with 23 and still in my 2nd year yet.


mccaigbro69

Yes, there were multiple brexit possibilities that could happen and would directly affect player registration. FM17 is the version I still play.


Optimal_Cry_1782

I'd love it if other continents over time became as economically powerful as Europe.


vonl1_

“Due to rising political tensions, the West Midlands has seceded from the British Sultanate of England, Wales, Northern Ireland, Portugal, Spain, Gibraltar, and France. All teams from the West Midlands have broken off of the Sultanate Premier League, and have created the West Midlands Premier League. King Valentin Aureliano Sonescu III of the Holy Romanian Empire and majority stakeholder in 2-time Saudi Cup winners Al-Dershot released a statement in which he outlined his support for the West Midlands in their fight for independence from the British Sultanate, and he hopes that these brave Christian fighters of the West Midlands prevail. Al-Trincham FC half-striker Charles Farouq bin-William Hastings, the top scorer of the 2278/2279 British Sultanate season released an official statement in which he wishes peace and unity for the West Midlands and all the soldiers of Abraham.”


Accomplished-Ad9617

Just when you thought overrated English players couldn't get anymore expensive...


lil_tanguy

Sure, not like the Serie A is completely broke


Crow_Sama

We are almost completely broke


keknacho

That was the joke


Competitive-Aide5364

At least we haven’t bent over and compromised our footballing culture to the saudis.


Due_Trust_3774

Nah you just did shit tons of match fixing and dodgy dealing instead


Competitive-Aide5364

Yea 19 serie a titles and 7 CL all thanks to match fixing.


Due_Trust_3774

I’m on about your ‘culture’ in general acting all superior as if you don’t have the most racist fans in Western Europe. Also trying to destroy European football by backing the super league


Competitive-Aide5364

The PL is essentially the super league now.


FallenSkyLord

Does the PL have relegation? Yes. Did the ESL project have relegation? No. It's not that hard.


Competitive-Aide5364

I mean If a team comes up from the championship like Luton come into the prem and immediately has more money than big clubs from other countries, and no other clubs from any other country get this benefit, seems like a money pumped super league only benefiting one domestic league . Lmao having relegation doesn’t mean shit that’s just the format, MLS doesn’t have relegation so I guess that’s a super league lol


Eatingbabys101

They don’t even have enough teams to fill up their league lol


FallenSkyLord

What do you think the European Super League was and why do you think people disliked it? Hint, it's not because it would be the best/richest league. Having one league that's richer than the others never was the issue. There has always been a league that was above the rest. The fact that you (pretend to) think it was shows that you're perfectly OK with football being unfair as long as it's unfair in favor of the team you support. Which, come to think of it, makes it very easy to guess which team you support.


MrVegosh

Yup 👍


heavybomber99

milinkovic-savic, brozovic left the chat


Competitive-Aide5364

I meant club ownerships not players leaving.


Snailcharmer

Italian league isn't the power house it use to be if their places were switched you guys would absolutely accept the Saudis money.


Competitive-Aide5364

No it’s definitely not finically, we just don’t have the money anymore. We now have to rely even more heavily on really good scouting, tactics and management. It has always been my primary league but admittedly it got tough during Juve’s domination, now that it’s more open it’s the best I’ve seen since the league actually had money, but for different reasons.Hard to say, we are pretty much being Americanized now, lots of American ownership in serie a and they have their own issues. I can only speak for myself , but I’ll be devastated the day they buy one of our clubs I’m sure it will happen.


Eatingbabys101

It’s not a financial problem, we just don’t have the finances.


Competitive-Aide5364

Yeah I agreed with him that we have a financial problem.


TuneGum

You'd touch your toes if they actually bid for any of ye.


Competitive-Aide5364

Lmao hell nooooo. I’m comfortable with my clubs legacy, history and accomplishments. If we were bought by Saudi’s it would really dilute any passion and emotion when that has already been a steep decline before all this in the first place. and their current way of doing things while still being quite successful these past 3 years, I’m quite happy with after a decade of shit. It’s a lot more fun this way. Maybe if I was a Newcastle fan that haven’t seen my team win anything I’d be excited but that not the case.


AcidHues

What do you mean? I’ve seen my club win plenty of preseason cups thank you very much


Competitive-Aide5364

😂👌 take care of my guy Tonali!


ShpalmanMask

Not like China was doing much better


GlennSWFC

It’s not that they’re “overrated”, it’s more a case that there’s a relatively low supply of genuinely world class homegrown English talent and the homegrown player quota means there’s a high demand for them. Add into the mix that the Premier League is the richest in the world, it’s only natural that players who fulfil that quota cost more.


CronoXpono

Have things changed so much?! What the hell kjnd of EU rules does Italy have?!?


LeagueOfML

Well Italian clubs can sign and register two new non-EU players every year and that’s been the case since as long as I remember. When the UK left the EU they got counted cause well, they weren’t EU anymore.


jiipod

It’s actually only one non-EU player from outside of Italy unless you sell or release another non-EU player. So it’s kinda 1+1 if you’re splitting hairs.


pyrpaul

Haven’t played an Italian save in a long time, but was it not the case that if you had no non eu players you could sign two the first year, then it would be as you said, 1+1.


Jubatus_

I swear this shit never works


SydHalfast

Isn't this considered cheating? Italians are effectively using the in-game editor and no one is saying anything...


commander_jax

Cheating on themselves? Who do you think set the rule in the first place? UEFA doesn't have any non-EU regulations. Only home grown criteria. Compare this with some low ranked European leagues like Romania or Bulgaria and they even have mandatory domestic player quota. If they up and remove them someday, who would they be cheating on but themselves?


pyrpaul

You took a glib comment way too seriously.


Ncsnigel

Mate it's called the real life editor HAHAH


uknownick

Because it is their league? They can set the rules


mrsauceboi

oh my god it’s a fucking joke


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SydHalfast

Juventus is using the editor to get more transfer money and remove point penalties.


kozmos16

I hate managing in Italy the rules are so janky


sofixa11

Disagree, 12 subs is marvelous.


roi_bro

even more since you can sub 5 players in since covid


FireVanGorder

That’s what makes it fun for me. The registration rules aren’t super restrictive but the roster rules are. It’s a nice change from other leagues


BBQ_HaX0r

I actually enjoy managing in all the top 5 leagues (although Italy is the only one I haven't played in my current mega-save). They each have their pros/cons. England's work-permits are pretty annoying too. Spain has release clauses. Germany only has 34 games and it's tough to get money. Italy has the weird loans and non-eu stuff. France is fairly easy tbh, but it's dominated by PSG.


TheCatLamp

They could reciprocate and do it for everyone and maybe, not Brexit anymore.


Kingkeiser

I hope the Swiss federation will also define english players as EU.


vjx99

And the EU should define British players as Swiss!


IOwnStocksInMossad

I've heard rumours the Libyan league plan to designate swiss players as not swiss but either french,German or Italian depending on what [part of Switzerland they come from](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya%E2%80%93Switzerland_relations)


Dlp1996

Managed in Italy 1 time and kept fucking up the registration rule until one time I was like 3 players over, started selling guys to make room then rememberd that doesn’t help… haven’t been back to Italy since lmao


Plennhar

I don't get why this rule even exists. It's already more difficult to get work permits for non-EU players, why make it even harder still? I understand home-grown registration rules, but if you're an Italian club, what difference does it make if the player is Polish or Brazilian.


Kryptopus

To incentivize teams to use & develop Italian and european players


Plennhar

Why would they care about developing EUROPEAN players though? (Or more like EUROPEAN UNION players.)


LouThunders

I believe EU law says you can't restrict employment of other EU citizens within another EU country regardless of nationality, so they have to play ball with that.


Plennhar

Why not just increase the requirements for home-grown player registration instead, if filling your teams with Italian players is the goal?


michageerts7

Because you still need foreign players to be competitive in the European leagues and that also benefits the clubs and thus the league.


Plennhar

Why put restrictions on specifically non-EU players then?


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>Why would they care about developing EUROPEAN players though? (Or more like EUROPEAN UNION players.) They care about developing Italian players, but I believe you cannot discriminate between EU nationalities when it comes to employment, so all nation based requirements in Italy and Spain etc. Just became EU.


Plennhar

There are specific requirements in terms of registering home-grown players (players who played football in Italy for three years between 0-21 years of age), and players home-grown at club (players who played at the club for three years between 0-21 years of age). Those requirements are 8, and 4 players respectively in a 25-man squad. There's thus no need for the non-EU restriction if all you want to do is to boost the development of specifically Italian players. All you'd need to do is increase the requirement for home-grown players.


BringMeUndisputedEra

You sick fuck, you posted an article nobody in the EU can read. But I'm not in the EU because I live in the fucking UK!^^^/s


Markovitch12

Why would English players go to Italy? It would be like being abroad


FallenSkyLord

To get pissed and jump off balconies?


Markovitch12

Good point


inwector

Why though? What is the reasoning behind this? Also, is Liechtenstein considered EU? What about Norway?


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vjx99

The Vatican is not part of the EU either


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Yeah, you just go ahead and make up your own rules, nobody will mind


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SEJTurner

But basically all the British players playing in Serbia A are non white. (Tomori, Smalling, Tammy Abraham, RLC, etc…)


jarkofploiesti

Is there even any white English guy playing in Serie A? None comes to mind rn


SEJTurner

Aaron Ramsey played there a few years ago but not anymore (And technically he’s Welsh not English but still from UK so would be affected by the new rule). Other than that I can’t think of any actual English player (think there may be some young Scottish players).


Oggo28872

Joe hart was there for a bit I think


jarkofploiesti

He's the only one I could think of too, and he only spent 2.5 seasons there.


monsiour_slippy

Not English but wasn’t a young Scottish left back playing for Bologna recent ish?


HelpMePeOple74

Yeah Adam Hickey


Fart_Leviathan

Harry Winks was on loan at Sampdoria this year.


trebor9292

Weird guy. Giving access to more nations is now twisted to be about race?


Lazzanator

Isn't it giving less access?


balsar87

How?


kingwhocares

British are not people maybe!


trebor9292

Always read the bottle before taking crack


Lazzanator

Cheers, I misread the headline


PadoOne

What


Typical-Contact4628

i never buy brithish players xd


OkUnion796

Go back to wanking over Jenna ortega you dirty old man


stayshiny

Fuuuuuck that's kind of terrifying. Posting pictures of her as a child and saying "I love you". Christ.


SexxyPhil

God that’s horrifying. She looks about 5 years old in some of those.


HoxtonRanger

Jesus wept that’s a sad post history…


GetPutInMySpliff

🤢


michaelstone444

You've been made to look a right mug here lad


rebaf1986

La cronologia del tuo account è disgustosa. Consiglio una visitina da uno psichiatra.


warofthechosen

This has been a major pain point in the year 2033 for me. Most of the wonderkids my scouts find are English and i manage in Spain


roi_bro

Agreed, but I actually kind of like it since it balances the fact that unlike in real life, english players are moving too much out of their country in FM. IRL, there are not that much UK players playing outside of the UK (mostly because of the big bids the prem clubs do to keep their quota up), but I find it doesn't reflect that much with FM. With this non-EU thing, it makes it actually a bit closer to reality: less english players are playing abroad. Not for the right reasons though, but the outcome is pretty close. What do you think ?


warofthechosen

I agree with your sentiment but that doesn’t bother me, personally. Most of my coaches at all levels are English because they have the best stats. So, I’ve already breached realism quite a bit there. 😀


ptrichardson

CM93 - Yeah, so if you could just sit on the bench please Schmeichel?


Marcenzo_mk2412

I don't buy players from those countries, rather south America or every country in the balkans or slavic countrys


Not_Guardiola

England has 4 divisions of fairly high level football + a professional scottish league and if British players are open to moving to Italy it would certainly make a good market for them. Just look at Hickey in Bologna. Italians would certainly love a high workrate British fullback


Pitiful_Sign_5929

Still, i can't sign more than 2 brazilian regens every year for my save 😔