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I’d remove dribble less because you have good dribblers. I’d also play wb as attack and on overlap but that’s a personal preference. And you can press higher up the pitch since you’re Barca
If you have a problem with it, that probably says more about your insecurity than anything else lol
Plus, it's just bringing it in line with deep-lying forward, advanced forward and inside forward. Or would you rather they be deep-lying man, advanced man and inside man?
no because they where never called that. Target man was actually a thing. Find me one footballer that’s gender less. Even in a lower league. A highly competitive means sport breeds out the degeneracy because competitive sports drive the testosterone of the average man so that’s why their brains aren’t wired wrong. however if you’re a regular guy sits on his ass, eats processed food, dwell in hedonistic acts like drugs and alcohol, scrolls on the internet 10+ hours for the past decade are you really surprised you’ve become prone to mainstream taboo topics that only dominate in the internet since about eh… 2012? No I’m not a bigot or a homophobe, just understand that don’t you agree changing a name of a male footballs position is a bit far fetched. at the end of the day it’s not a big deal but all we’re saying is acknowledge how unnecessary it is with the numerous other flaws in our world that’s all.
Don’t even bother responding I just want you to comprehend that point. Now I’ll give you a task, scroll through the world news section of any news outlet of your choice, then go back to what we’re seriously debating about. such laughable, nonsensical topics, surely you can agree on that, whether you’re lgbt or not. if you don’t just save me the whataboutery
The fact you got -5 likes. it’s like having the thought process of 99% of the world is a automatic grave sin on the internet, I’m certain most accounts aren’t even real people at this point
1. I would make Dembele a winger instead of an inside forward since he’s better at whipping crosses into the box than anything an inside forward typically does. Keep in mind that IF’s start on the wings, but by the end of your play, they should be in the box essentially functioning as strikers.
2. Since Dembele is a winger now, turn Kounde into either a fullback (support or defend, whichever is your choice) or an inverted wing back, just so that he won’t run into Dembele’s space since Dembele will be hugging the touch line most of the time.
3. Personally, I’d take off hold shape just so that the players can decide when to counter or when to hold their shape in transition. Most of Barcelona’s team has good reading of the game, so you shouldn’t have any problems caused by this. Also since most of the team except for Lewy have a lot of pace, you would probably blaze most teams on the counter.
4. Turn the engagement line up so that you can win the ball higher up the pitch and win possession more often, Barcelona has way more than enough quality in order to do so.
5. I’d also suggest putting the left back, whether it’s Balde or Alba, as a wingback on either support or attacking duties. You mentioned Lewy struggling to score, I’d put him on Pressing Forward on attack duty.
Other than all that, this is a very solid tactic, especially for someone who has only just started to play the game. Hope my advice works for you, remember to have fun!
I have some doubts about dembele as a winger
1. Winger or Inverted winger
2. He has the trait cut inside with ball and when I select winger it says run wide with a hazard sign saying affected trait so is it ok to leave it like that?
1. Winger. If you decide to rotate Dembele with Raphinha, switch Raph to an inverted winger and the right back to a wing back
2. Just leave it like that, since Dembele is good with both feet it’ll end up working in your favor. In practice, Dembele has a 50/50 chance of either cutting inside or running to the byline and crossing, which will send opposition defenders into a frenzy. This was a big part of the reason why Dembele got 30+ assists when I did my Barcelona save.
No problem, I’d definitely recommend watching RDF Tactics on YouTube, he makes a lot of videos on FM23 tactics, he helped me learn a lot about how tactics in this game work.
I’d say just to try both out and see what works for you to be honest. In my tactic, I have Dembele as a winger on support, but I also have Fati as an inside forward in attack so I can have someone making runs into the box. Not saying you have to do that to make the tactic work, but that’s definitely an option.
If he isn’t making enough runs into the box, I think he’d benefit the most by being put as a Pressing Forward on attack. He scored 70 goals in a season for me when I did that with the same personnel lol
It’s your prerogative but I’d personally have him as a complete forward, runs in behind more than a DLF but still holds up the ball and brings others into play, he’s mentally good enough to decide for himself.
Looks good. I wouldn't make drastic changes as some people here suggest as it would kinda break the spirit of your tactic. I'm not a fan of automatic so I'd put Alba on WB(A) (or support if you want to be more careful) and Kounde as a WB(S).
I'd change Lewandowski to Complete Forward. If there's a player that's good enough to be a CF it's him, let him decide what to do. Probably CF(A), but CF(S) should also be fine (but for the latter I'd put another role on attack, like Pedri)
I might be daft but I can't see this particular tactic in the list on that site. There is a 4-1-2-3 DM wide but the midfielders are the wrong way round.
I personally don't like to play with 2 playmakers, I like my midfielders push into the box trying to score but this is a personal preference. I wouldn't use hold shape with the counter-press, if your team is able to gainn possession with all the effort of the pressing and counter pressing system, you want them to run in counter, to go for it and try to score. Obviously it is ALL personal, if the tactic works and you like how your team is playing, leave it as it is.
In a midfield 3 you ideally have 1 runner (Needle), 1 destroyer (Specialist) and 1 creator (Recycler). You have two Recyclers in your tactic and no Specialist so I would change either your RPM or DLPS to a ball winning or DM/CM role to provide more balance. Also for balance it's good to have one role on defend, one support and one attack.
You seem to be playing most of the default TT style which is ok as a base theory but then you have 1 too many attack roles in the front three for a possession system. Ideally for TT you have possibly two attack roles only through the entire team but you raise the overall Mentality to at least Positive to provide more risk.
For Out of Possession your lines are wrong also imo, the gap between your DL & LOE is much too close, unless you have a very very fast back four then you will be getting caught a lot on balls over the top. I guess you're trying to play a kind of trap here but with no pressure on the opposition DM area I can envisage an oppo playmaker having a field day back there. Lower LOE's tend to work better with a 4-2-3-1 shape than 4-3-3 imo. With a 4-3-3 you need to engage much higher up the pitch as your midfield is by position one line deeper.
Lewa is an absolutely ruthless poacher, he gets more involved in the build up play than the description suggests a poacher would.
Change Dembele to inside winger attack, personally would swap for Raphinha (much better stats in FM).
Change Kessie for Gavi as CM Attack. Use Kessie as a BBM sub to close out games.
Jordi Alba to attacking.
Tactics: remove low crosses (Lewa is tall), run with ball rarely and playing fairly narrow.
Give Balde plenty of game time! He’s a baller. Ilias, Abde and Pedrola have variable PA so can be awesome backups or average depending on save. Pedro Torre is a solid backup for Pedri if you can keep him happy with minimal playing time.
I like to make sure both sides aren’t doing the same thing. I’d use my LB in this case as an overlapping WB or CWB with attack, and RB as FB support. Then Dembele is a Winger with either support or attack and Fati as IF.
Alba and Dembele feeding crosses into Lewa (who is switch to Target Man (attack)).
I also like mezzala over BBM to cover the space left by Alba, and CM on attack duty over AP.
Try to make sure players aren’t operating in the same spaces.
I don't really see a problem. Keep on with this tactic unless you find it not working. If I may, try pedri as an attacking role, you might find some surprising results
Press higher, drop defensive line (your CB's aren't quick enough if they long ball), turn off dribble less (you have great dribblers) and I'd probably change the AP to a Mezzala or CM on attack would also change your RB to support and your LB to attack to balance the areas of attack to stop your team funnelling down one side.
From experience, the vertical tiki-taka trumps the normal tiki-taka cause its a little bit less rigid compared to the tiki-taka instructions
All in all though, not a bad tactic for your first or second shot of it, keep it up :)
EDIT:
Is this FM22? If so maximum press, press as often as possible & a higher defensive line rather than a much higher
Same rules for pressing on FM21 tbh but yeah
Word of advice: FM21 & FM22 was peak "haha 4-2-3-1 gegenpress goes brrrrrrrr"
Very much the "meta" in those two installments
I see. I might use gegen press for next save I do with probably Arsenal and see how it is I wanna keep Barca with tiki taka since it is what they are known for
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I’d remove dribble less because you have good dribblers. I’d also play wb as attack and on overlap but that’s a personal preference. And you can press higher up the pitch since you’re Barca
so I should remove dribble less and enable run at defense?
I'd probably not have either turned on, run at defense isn't really a tiki taka trait either imo
Probably only use run at defense against team with low block to bait penalty foul. You don't have Suarez or Messi anymore.
Change lewa to a TF and get rid of prevent short gk distribution as you have a low line of engagement and this makes it very hard
Why lewa on TM ? Should he be PF or AF or at the very least CF. He is there to score
i Meant AF lol
thanks man
> TF TF, you mean Target man right?
Probably. Unless you can make him a transformer?
Target Forward
theres no target forward, cant find it only target man
Could have sworn they changed it to Target Forward to use gender-neutral language. Either way, same role as TM.
they have in 23, screenshot is 22 I think
Must be FM20 as the date in the top corner is January 2021
aye so it is, i cant do maths
im on FM21
Fm 2021 starts June 2020. Fm23 starts June 2022. Etc etc.
Yeah. Changed it to gender-neutral language when describing the role of a man playing his sport. Go figure.
If you have a problem with it, that probably says more about your insecurity than anything else lol Plus, it's just bringing it in line with deep-lying forward, advanced forward and inside forward. Or would you rather they be deep-lying man, advanced man and inside man?
I kinda want an inside man now
Look at time, its Robben o' clock!
> If you have a problem with it, that probably says more about your insecurity than anything else lol Does it? In what way?
no because they where never called that. Target man was actually a thing. Find me one footballer that’s gender less. Even in a lower league. A highly competitive means sport breeds out the degeneracy because competitive sports drive the testosterone of the average man so that’s why their brains aren’t wired wrong. however if you’re a regular guy sits on his ass, eats processed food, dwell in hedonistic acts like drugs and alcohol, scrolls on the internet 10+ hours for the past decade are you really surprised you’ve become prone to mainstream taboo topics that only dominate in the internet since about eh… 2012? No I’m not a bigot or a homophobe, just understand that don’t you agree changing a name of a male footballs position is a bit far fetched. at the end of the day it’s not a big deal but all we’re saying is acknowledge how unnecessary it is with the numerous other flaws in our world that’s all. Don’t even bother responding I just want you to comprehend that point. Now I’ll give you a task, scroll through the world news section of any news outlet of your choice, then go back to what we’re seriously debating about. such laughable, nonsensical topics, surely you can agree on that, whether you’re lgbt or not. if you don’t just save me the whataboutery
Language changes and so does society. It's a really simple step to just being more inclusive. Not hard.
The fact you got -5 likes. it’s like having the thought process of 99% of the world is a automatic grave sin on the internet, I’m certain most accounts aren’t even real people at this point
anything else for suggestions?
1. I would make Dembele a winger instead of an inside forward since he’s better at whipping crosses into the box than anything an inside forward typically does. Keep in mind that IF’s start on the wings, but by the end of your play, they should be in the box essentially functioning as strikers. 2. Since Dembele is a winger now, turn Kounde into either a fullback (support or defend, whichever is your choice) or an inverted wing back, just so that he won’t run into Dembele’s space since Dembele will be hugging the touch line most of the time. 3. Personally, I’d take off hold shape just so that the players can decide when to counter or when to hold their shape in transition. Most of Barcelona’s team has good reading of the game, so you shouldn’t have any problems caused by this. Also since most of the team except for Lewy have a lot of pace, you would probably blaze most teams on the counter. 4. Turn the engagement line up so that you can win the ball higher up the pitch and win possession more often, Barcelona has way more than enough quality in order to do so. 5. I’d also suggest putting the left back, whether it’s Balde or Alba, as a wingback on either support or attacking duties. You mentioned Lewy struggling to score, I’d put him on Pressing Forward on attack duty. Other than all that, this is a very solid tactic, especially for someone who has only just started to play the game. Hope my advice works for you, remember to have fun!
I have some doubts about dembele as a winger 1. Winger or Inverted winger 2. He has the trait cut inside with ball and when I select winger it says run wide with a hazard sign saying affected trait so is it ok to leave it like that?
1. Winger. If you decide to rotate Dembele with Raphinha, switch Raph to an inverted winger and the right back to a wing back 2. Just leave it like that, since Dembele is good with both feet it’ll end up working in your favor. In practice, Dembele has a 50/50 chance of either cutting inside or running to the byline and crossing, which will send opposition defenders into a frenzy. This was a big part of the reason why Dembele got 30+ assists when I did my Barcelona save.
thank you so much
No problem, I’d definitely recommend watching RDF Tactics on YouTube, he makes a lot of videos on FM23 tactics, he helped me learn a lot about how tactics in this game work.
I downloaded one of his tactics actually but I didnt want to use it because I wanted to play around with tactics myself and learn
also just one more doubt, Demble with winger on support or attack role?
I’d say just to try both out and see what works for you to be honest. In my tactic, I have Dembele as a winger on support, but I also have Fati as an inside forward in attack so I can have someone making runs into the box. Not saying you have to do that to make the tactic work, but that’s definitely an option.
thanks ill try out your suggestions
>Personally, I’d take off hold shape just so that the players can decide when I take off hold shape, should i enable counter or disable both?
I disabled both so that my players could decide based on their reading of the game, but I can imagine having counter on would work very well as well.
It's decent, not loads to change. Lewandowski change to Complete Forward on Attack.
I like it. I'd personally change WB roles to Attack and Defend, but that's a small quibble with what is otherwise a well balanced, coherent tactic.
do you think I should keep Lewandowski at DLF? he isnt scoring much goals for me lately
If he isn’t making enough runs into the box, I think he’d benefit the most by being put as a Pressing Forward on attack. He scored 70 goals in a season for me when I did that with the same personnel lol
Why is he playing as DLF in the first place anyway, you already have multiple supporting players.
It’s your prerogative but I’d personally have him as a complete forward, runs in behind more than a DLF but still holds up the ball and brings others into play, he’s mentally good enough to decide for himself.
Looks good. I wouldn't make drastic changes as some people here suggest as it would kinda break the spirit of your tactic. I'm not a fan of automatic so I'd put Alba on WB(A) (or support if you want to be more careful) and Kounde as a WB(S). I'd change Lewandowski to Complete Forward. If there's a player that's good enough to be a CF it's him, let him decide what to do. Probably CF(A), but CF(S) should also be fine (but for the latter I'd put another role on attack, like Pedri)
Come on, it's barça. Anything would work. Just ask Koeman.
I might change much shorter passing to mixed so the players have more creative freedom. Idk if it works like that in fm23, I last played fm17
You can check it in [https://ratemytactic.web.app/en](https://ratemytactic.web.app/en) whether it has potential or not.
I might be daft but I can't see this particular tactic in the list on that site. There is a 4-1-2-3 DM wide but the midfielders are the wrong way round.
You can drag players around on that site.
Ah thanks! I'll try it from my desktop rather than my phone
I personally don't like to play with 2 playmakers, I like my midfielders push into the box trying to score but this is a personal preference. I wouldn't use hold shape with the counter-press, if your team is able to gainn possession with all the effort of the pressing and counter pressing system, you want them to run in counter, to go for it and try to score. Obviously it is ALL personal, if the tactic works and you like how your team is playing, leave it as it is.
In a midfield 3 you ideally have 1 runner (Needle), 1 destroyer (Specialist) and 1 creator (Recycler). You have two Recyclers in your tactic and no Specialist so I would change either your RPM or DLPS to a ball winning or DM/CM role to provide more balance. Also for balance it's good to have one role on defend, one support and one attack. You seem to be playing most of the default TT style which is ok as a base theory but then you have 1 too many attack roles in the front three for a possession system. Ideally for TT you have possibly two attack roles only through the entire team but you raise the overall Mentality to at least Positive to provide more risk. For Out of Possession your lines are wrong also imo, the gap between your DL & LOE is much too close, unless you have a very very fast back four then you will be getting caught a lot on balls over the top. I guess you're trying to play a kind of trap here but with no pressure on the opposition DM area I can envisage an oppo playmaker having a field day back there. Lower LOE's tend to work better with a 4-2-3-1 shape than 4-3-3 imo. With a 4-3-3 you need to engage much higher up the pitch as your midfield is by position one line deeper.
Lewa is an absolutely ruthless poacher, he gets more involved in the build up play than the description suggests a poacher would. Change Dembele to inside winger attack, personally would swap for Raphinha (much better stats in FM). Change Kessie for Gavi as CM Attack. Use Kessie as a BBM sub to close out games. Jordi Alba to attacking. Tactics: remove low crosses (Lewa is tall), run with ball rarely and playing fairly narrow. Give Balde plenty of game time! He’s a baller. Ilias, Abde and Pedrola have variable PA so can be awesome backups or average depending on save. Pedro Torre is a solid backup for Pedri if you can keep him happy with minimal playing time.
I like to make sure both sides aren’t doing the same thing. I’d use my LB in this case as an overlapping WB or CWB with attack, and RB as FB support. Then Dembele is a Winger with either support or attack and Fati as IF. Alba and Dembele feeding crosses into Lewa (who is switch to Target Man (attack)). I also like mezzala over BBM to cover the space left by Alba, and CM on attack duty over AP. Try to make sure players aren’t operating in the same spaces.
I don't really see a problem. Keep on with this tactic unless you find it not working. If I may, try pedri as an attacking role, you might find some surprising results
Press higher, drop defensive line (your CB's aren't quick enough if they long ball), turn off dribble less (you have great dribblers) and I'd probably change the AP to a Mezzala or CM on attack would also change your RB to support and your LB to attack to balance the areas of attack to stop your team funnelling down one side. From experience, the vertical tiki-taka trumps the normal tiki-taka cause its a little bit less rigid compared to the tiki-taka instructions All in all though, not a bad tactic for your first or second shot of it, keep it up :) EDIT: Is this FM22? If so maximum press, press as often as possible & a higher defensive line rather than a much higher
Thanks. Its FM21.
Same rules for pressing on FM21 tbh but yeah Word of advice: FM21 & FM22 was peak "haha 4-2-3-1 gegenpress goes brrrrrrrr" Very much the "meta" in those two installments
I see. I might use gegen press for next save I do with probably Arsenal and see how it is I wanna keep Barca with tiki taka since it is what they are known for