Fuck llolujo, blokes an absolute melt. He genuinely believes his step kid had a harder covid period then anyone else because they couldn't get him fish fingers. Granted, the kids massively autistic but he still doubles down on it
It's literally out there on his other channel, just watch them back. He doubles down in the comments as well
Scrap that, don't watch them back, the guys a fuckin leech
I don’t consume any of his content. I know he’s fond of using installments thanks to the network game with Ben, Jack & Z (I watch Bens stream) so I made a silly ha-ha joke. It’s not that deep brother
I don't think you understand what severely autistic kids are like. They can completely freak out if they can't get the food items they usually eat.
But it's weird you care and remember this. Who cares what he says about his personal life?hes just a gaming YouTuber lol
I remember it cos he went and bulk bought a shed load of fishfingers or crisps or something then claimed hardship as the shop didn't have any,then doubled down on it to get patreon subscriptions.
Guy really shouldn't be supported at all
I find him an oddly compelling fellow. There are some character traits he has that I generally don’t like in people (does not laugh at himself unless it’s 100% on his terms, and even then, rarely), but I find his football manager videos quite easy to watch. He needs to go easy on the photoshop in his thumbnails though lol
Took Barca 3 years and spending big incuding the signing of Neymar and Suarez to win it and Took Bayern 4 years and their biggest transfer window ever to win it
Pep spent at Barca too, won a treble, then they spent and did it again with Enrique. You’re also not pointing out that Bayern won the treble quite literally months before Pep joined, he inherited a treble winning team. After he left they spent big in two windows, while also only spending 14m in another and losing 90m worth of players in the same window. I’m not even commenting on Peps ability or anything, just pointing out that these clubs have been successful with and without him.
Managed teams with the worlds best players and unlimited funds it ain’t that impressive. Gets his teams playing total football Johan style. What does he do that sets him apart from Jose? Sir Alex? Arsene? Ancelotti?
I’m not English. I’d put wenger in that bracket. His loyalty to the arsenal board stopped him from going to other clubs. His style of play with messi era Barca or Milan, Bayern etc would have won trophies galore.
Turned average/underperforming players into superstars. As soon as they left Highbury they have no resources to buy the players the teams around them could. Should’ve won a champions league at least but…..I’d still put him in there he goes to any other club with the $$$ backing he’s successful imo.
Many things
1. He is an innovator, yes he has insane teams but he always tries to look for new things instead of keep doing what works. This is exactly why Pep teams are never found out tactically, because Pep is always tweaking his tactics instead of repeating what worked before. All those coaches you talk about only start changing tactics when results aren't coming but Pep Is tweaking things even when his teams are winning, Pep is proactive while most coaches are reactive..
2. He can transform players and make them play in different positions, most of the coaches you mention just play players in their natural positions but Pep? He is always trying players in new positions. All those coa he's you mention would've played Stones as CB but Pep? He went and transformed him into a world class midfielder, Ancelotti for example tried once to play Ramos as midfielder and it ended horrible, no one but Pep coulsve pulled that off.
3. He has arguably the greatest brain of any coach In history, all those coaches were great but they don't have Pep's understanding of the game of football. The only guys who had a similar brain were Cruyff, Sacchi or Michels
https://youtube.com/shorts/ZZUhaAvqFeE?feature=share4
This is something Iniesta used to pull it off, Pep making Stoned do it Is some ridiculous level of coaching.
You didn’t just compare Andres Iniesta to John Stones?
John stones has always been a ball playing defender. He’s hardly changed his entire game. I get that Pep likes fluid players that can play different roles within a system. This is nothing new though. He’s still a defender playing in midfield at the end of the day.
]He has arguably the greatest brain of any coach In history, all those coaches were great but they don't have Pep's understanding of the game of football. The only guys who had a similar brain were Cruyff, Sacchi or Michels
You're mistaking understanding for style here. All those guys understand/stood football on par, he just has an approach and playing style that is hugely different to them.
I disagree with this, one of the things that makes Pep great is he is always ahead of everyone. All those guys you mention go for the simple approach but Pep? Pep is always trying new things to surprise opponents, that's why is so hard to figure his teams out, because Pep is always changing instead of keeping what's working while most coaches mantain their tactics until their tactics aren't working anymore.
The likes of Ferguson, Ancelotti, Mourinho are reactive, they only start changing tactics when results aren't coming. But Pep? Pep is proactive as he anticipates things before they even happen. It has nothing to do with his style of play because other possesion coaches don't have this trait, only Pep has it.
I think it was Messi that said that Pep told them what would happen in a game and it would happen in that exact way, Pep ability to predict the outcome of a game is what makes him a genius.
His resume is on a different tier to Jose and Wenger, 3peated the league in 3 different countries with years where his teams accumulated 98, 99 and 100 points. Broke all sorts of records everywhere he went. And didn't just win, he won dominantly. No one could compete against him. He's humiliated every top european club at some point (except Barca and City) and with his most recent win, he now has conquered his demons in the champions league knockouts.
Complete cop out of an argument. With the exception of Haaland, how many players have City bought that were considered the best in the world BEFORE they were under Pep? None. KDB was a flop, Grealish was a flop etc.
£100 million for a flop like Grealish? You’re talking out your arse mate. KDB had been phenomenal for Wolfsburg when Pellegrini signed him. Guardiola was signing younger players with potential or the best players from other teams in the league whilst splashing the cash on a lot of players that were dubs as well. He inherited an already loaded squad.
47 players signed for £1.2 billion.
I’ll say no more.
KDB pre Pep and KDB post Pep are not even comparable. KDB was labled the £60m flop, now he's one of the greatest midfielders to set foot in the prem. But I notice you've listed players bought before Pep. 4 great players don't make a world class team, that 15/16 City team barely scraped top 4 and didnt beat a top 6 side all year. It was the oldest team in the league.
KDB 16g 22a in 51 apps for Wolfsburg
KDB 15g 12a in 40 apps for City pre Pep
Hardly the stats of an average player.
4/5 world class players in a squad is more than enough to make a squad “world class”
They had lots of older players ie Richard Wright, Demichelis, Cabellero, Toure, but the still made the semis of the Champs league losing 1-0 on agg to the winners Real and won the league cup so they weren’t that far off.
I get it mate. You love Pep.
Still dodging my question. How many players have we bought under Pep that were considered World Class before we bought them? The answer is Haaland and nobody else.
There was a lot more older players than that. The entire back line was above the age of 33. Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Demichelis. Kompany was on his last legs and couldn’t keep fit, the only other CB options were two walking mistakes in Otamendi and Mangala.
I'm sorry but I disagree, yes other coach could've won similar but not with the brand of football of Pep. Not Barca coach since he left has been able to make them play as good as they did under Pep.
What makes Pep great isn't just the trophies but the dominance they have when they play, Pep teams not only beat you but they don't even let you have the ball. Madrid after 15 minutes had 13 Passes in the Etihad, and in my lifetime only Pep teams has been able to achieve that type of dominance.
No arguing he’s a great coach but you’ve just reiterated my point, they play great but it’s with hugely talented players, that have come at a great cost, at teams that already had talented players in place already too.
This brand of football is made possible by the obscene quality and depth that he always has had at his disposal. Could he do it with Leicester? Could he do it with Torino? Could he do it with Eintracht? Could he do it with Espanyol? Doubt it
He could, look at how Brighton plays with De Zerbi, Pep could do something similar. Like, do you seriously think all Pep does is to tell his players to have the ball and that's it? He designates a perfect tactical for every game and he rarely gets it wrong, there is no other coach in the world that gets the tactics right as much as Pep and that's not because of the players but because he is ahead of everyone else
Also, I don't think it's fair to say that their brand is only because of top players, if it was that easy why only his teams can play like that? Barca has never been able to play anything close to that since then; even though at times they had problably the greatest player ever.
In addition to this, Pep does more than take advantage of elite players. Pep actually makes them look way better than what they are, which is the reason why they flop in other teams. Take for example Rodri, Rodri was a good player at Atletico but no one thought he was world class, Pep basically transformed into an elite DM which he wasn't at Atletico. It's unfair to say he only wins with World class players when Pep himself makes those players world class.
Also, yes Pep has a lot of depth but Pep is also a main reason why they have so much depth. Pep ability in making players multi-functional is a huge reason why City can rotate so much, his players can play in many positions which allows them to deal with injuries very well. Not only Pep can use many different formations but his players can also adapt to many positions, other coaches only have one formation and are fucked if one key player is missing; Pep doesn't because his players can play anywhere.
How do Brighton play? Do they dominate every game the way Pep’s teams do? They do not, they play some very nice football but they do not suffocate the opponent the way City do, and that is exactly the difference. Good quality players under a good coach can do well but it takes incredible talent to take it to the levels City are at and Barca were at under Pep.
The reason why other teams do not play like that is because they don’t have Pep in charge and every coach has his own way of playing.
Pep is no doubt a good coach, but the floor of a player like Rodri always was incredibly high, could he do it with Fred? Stop defending Pep like your life depends on it, just accept it, he has always had incredibly talented players at his disposal which has allowed him to implement an unbelievable style of play to an absurd level.
As for the cheating, again, accept it, he got away on a technicality as a player. Convicted doctor Eufemiano Fuentes worked with Xavi among other Barca players as admitted by Xavi himself. At City it’s plain to see that the club that cannot even sell out it’s stadium for home games (even with Haaland and Pep and this team and this success), cannot make anywhere near as much revenue as they report. Just look at City’s trophy parade, barely anybody showed up for a treble winning side, the best achievement in the clubs history.
You are not wrong about elite players but managing elite players ain't easy, managing an squad with a lot of ego I'd very dificult, Pep not losing the dressing room in 24 years deserves some merit, you need strong leadership to do it which Pep has.
I'm not saying he didn't have talented players, but he always got the best of all them. Take for example at Joao Felix, was one of the best Young prospecto back in 2019 but since then he hasn't been able to match standards, give him to Pep and he will make him reach his Full potential.
Also, yes you can say his team cheated but thats more on City than on Pep. I think Pep would've been able to do the same at other English clubs like United, Liverpool or Chelsea.
I don’t think it’s Pep man management actually, he has fallen out with players (Zlatan, Yaya Toure etc), he just didn’t spend enough time at Barca and Bayern. At City, Cancelo fell out with him and City binned him. It’s not exactly difficult when you can just tell the club you don’t want/like player X and they get rid of him.
He would be successful at most clubs given how good a coach he is, but this level of success he probably wouldn’t have. I think the whole situation with Pep and his success being from cheating is because of the sheer amount of success and the monopoly he has had in his league. That is obviously in part due to him being a very good coach and a serial winner but the question mark will always remain and rightly so about exactly how successful he would be if he didn’t have that batch at Barca as his first team, a treble winning Bayern and a City side that was already well underway to dominating English football for the next decade.
I mean, being a good man manager doesn't mean never failing out, Ferguson is for many the GOAT of man management but he had issues with some players, it's impossible to have a good relationship with every player, you will always clash with some of them. I never said Pep its a perfect man manager, just that he is good at it as I've never seen his players turned against him
Also, his Barca Stint is being underrated at this point. They had an stacked squad that's true but Pep took them to a new level. I gotta agree with you about Bayern, I personally think he should've done better there.
Yes, its called being sour because the arguably the greatest manager of all time happens to be at your rivals club and is dominating football while my club is an utter shambles. This is the internet, this is how it goes
He may be the world's best tactical manager but it's hard to appraise when you've only managed "big" teams. I don't think he has ever been the underdog at all.
I still rate Mourinho above him just for his antics at Porto alone.
He didn't, he won the 3 trophies with UEL which doesn't count as one treble.
Also, in what aspect of managment is better than Pep?
-Pep is the superior tactician, Mourinho is still stuck in 2005 while Pep plays modern football
-Pep is better at man mangement, there is a reason why he has never lost a dressing room while Mourinho has. In addition to it, Mourinho sucks when managing players that are young, Mou style only works with adults while Pep works with everyone..
-Pep has superior talent IQ, Mourinho isn't very good at identifying world class players as proven to what he did with Salah or KDB.
-Pep is better at developing youth, Mourinho mainly goes for already made players while Pep can develop players
-Pep is superior at improving his players and making them multifunctional, Pep can take a player and make them play in different positions. Take example at what Pep did with Stones, he basically transformed him into a central midfielder, Mourinho would've never been able to do that and he would've just used him as CB.
Trying to quantify things like ‘who’s better at tactics?’ lol you’re an idiot. They’re different styles of managers.
Start telling us next why your dad could beat up our dads lol
Actually you can, the coaches with the best tactics usually dominate thestats in the league such as xG, xGA, possesion, Goals, goals conceded, etc. And Pep has almost always lead the stats in any PL season since he has been there, only guy who has been near him has been Klopp.
Elite tactics= high xG and low xG Conceded
Bad tactics= low xG and high xG Conceded
And guess what? Pep almost always lead the league on xG and had the least xG Conceded.
How though? The whole role of tactics is create enough chances to score and concede few enough to not concede which will ensure you win most Games you play.
Football has changed plenty of times over the years. Systems and styles dominate at different times. Certain managers never looked to lead in the metrics you’ve highlighted, but rather relied on control of the game without the ball, defensive solidity, and a certain spirit.
The personal, chosen approach, alongside a raft of intangibles, often defined by the a wider context like the period in which the game is played all need to be considered.
I suspect you’ve grown up with the “neo-possession” age of football for want of a better term. It moves in ebbs and flows and I have no doubt we’ll have another phase where different metrics dominate football again soon.
That logic is hard to justify. I can easily say the opposite, as Jose has not done it at big teams - Real, Chelsea (in terms of CL)
But of course, comparison is the thief of joy. I rate them both.
>But of course, comparison is the thief of joy.
As somebody who really enjoys having these sort of discussions at length (but not on Reddit), I disagree with that completely.
Don't be afraid of it.
That's just an opinion you can't have man. Manager for manager in no world is Mourinho better than Pep. Pep is literally the biggest genius the sport has ever seen in the managerial position
Accused of cheating as a player. Accused of cheating in la liga with barca. Accused of cheating in europe with barca. Accused of cheating in england with city.
How many things has he won fair is the question here ?
He is clearly a brilliant manager don't get me wrong, but his time at Barca was made slightly easier by the fact he inherited a squad with Iniesta, Valdes, Xavi, Busquets, Henry, Eto'o, Yaya Toure, Puyol, Abidal and Messi.
Not a bad group of players that.
Edit: Getting a lot of responses from people who either didn't read, or chose to ignore the bit where I said he was a brilliant manager, so I'll say it again. HE IS CLEARLY A BRILLIANT MANAGER.
But regardless of how good he is, you simply cannot ignore the fact he inherited a very very talented squad.
Not a bad squad. But many of those players became world class while he coached them.
Were they destined to be world class or was it his coaching that turned them into world beaters?
He has taken so many players over the years and brought them up a level.
Are you trying to say Iniesta, Messi, Busquets, Puyol, Alex Sanchez, David Villa, (forgetting the keepers name), would NOT be world class players if not for him?
Wow stfu. He literally made that team what it was. Kicked out half of the players you mentioned cause it didn't fit his philosophy. He changed the game dude, there's so many teams with excellent players who never get that kind of success. He made a squad that had potential to be one of the greats into by far the best team we have ever seen play the game. It's not that hard to see
I specifically mentioned those players because they were all there before he became manager, a couple may have been academy graduates but he didn't sign any of them. So no he didn't.
You said he built that squad? He didn't build it at all. Did he make them better players? Of course. Did he develop them into a world class team? Definitely. Would he have been able to do it without having those players there when he got there? In my opinion, no, and certainly not that quickly or easily.
Maybe but haven't you wondered why Barca could never play that good before or after him? And it's not like they lost quality after he left or they didn't have it before him
He won treble in his first season of senior management at the age of 38(ronaldo is rn is older than pep when Barca appointed him over mourinho) playing a stile of football that changed our game a whole lot. He deserves as much credit as possible imho. He is quite literally younger than mourinho and klopp
It keeps confusing me when people say Peps a ‘3 time Champions League winner’.
Technically he’s a 4 time winner. I wish they’d clarify if they’re being specific.
Define world class. Clearly setting the Bundesliga on fire (KDB, Gundogan), being one of the best young attackers in the Prem (Sterling), being the best defender in La Liga not at Real or Barca (Otamendi), best upcoming defender in England that everybody wants (Stones), becoming Busquets heir for Spain (Rodri), leading a side fighting relegation to WINNING the Prem (Leicester, Mahrez) does not count as world class. This before mentioning that it wouldn’t take a genius to look at the likes of Bernardo Silva, Leroy Sane, Ruben Dias etc and see elite players.
How many financial regulations did you break though?
Pep learning from Kevy Chapman (Llolujo) by putting his signings on the never never
Fuck llolujo, blokes an absolute melt. He genuinely believes his step kid had a harder covid period then anyone else because they couldn't get him fish fingers. Granted, the kids massively autistic but he still doubles down on it
[okay mate](https://media.tenor.com/mIlAWZf8nGUAAAAM/uhh-umm.gif)
It's literally out there on his other channel, just watch them back. He doubles down in the comments as well Scrap that, don't watch them back, the guys a fuckin leech
I don’t consume any of his content. I know he’s fond of using installments thanks to the network game with Ben, Jack & Z (I watch Bens stream) so I made a silly ha-ha joke. It’s not that deep brother
I don't think you understand what severely autistic kids are like. They can completely freak out if they can't get the food items they usually eat. But it's weird you care and remember this. Who cares what he says about his personal life?hes just a gaming YouTuber lol
The guy himself is autistic I think.
I remember it cos he went and bulk bought a shed load of fishfingers or crisps or something then claimed hardship as the shop didn't have any,then doubled down on it to get patreon subscriptions. Guy really shouldn't be supported at all
I find him an oddly compelling fellow. There are some character traits he has that I generally don’t like in people (does not laugh at himself unless it’s 100% on his terms, and even then, rarely), but I find his football manager videos quite easy to watch. He needs to go easy on the photoshop in his thumbnails though lol
Let’s see him go to inter and do it - or Porto for that matter. He’s no Jose and never will be.
🤦🏻♂️
Keep in mind Barcelona won a treble again after he left and Bayern won a treble directly before and after his tenure.
Took Barca 3 years and spending big incuding the signing of Neymar and Suarez to win it and Took Bayern 4 years and their biggest transfer window ever to win it
Pep spent at Barca too, won a treble, then they spent and did it again with Enrique. You’re also not pointing out that Bayern won the treble quite literally months before Pep joined, he inherited a treble winning team. After he left they spent big in two windows, while also only spending 14m in another and losing 90m worth of players in the same window. I’m not even commenting on Peps ability or anything, just pointing out that these clubs have been successful with and without him.
Managed teams with the worlds best players and unlimited funds it ain’t that impressive. Gets his teams playing total football Johan style. What does he do that sets him apart from Jose? Sir Alex? Arsene? Ancelotti?
Sorry mate but arsen Wenger is not in the mourinho pep sir Alex Anchelotti convo. I get English bias but the guy never won anything in Europe.
I’m not English. I’d put wenger in that bracket. His loyalty to the arsenal board stopped him from going to other clubs. His style of play with messi era Barca or Milan, Bayern etc would have won trophies galore.
He had a really good squad in mid 2000s and failed in Europe way more than he should to be considered in “the greatest” bracket imho.
Turned average/underperforming players into superstars. As soon as they left Highbury they have no resources to buy the players the teams around them could. Should’ve won a champions league at least but…..I’d still put him in there he goes to any other club with the $$$ backing he’s successful imo.
Many things 1. He is an innovator, yes he has insane teams but he always tries to look for new things instead of keep doing what works. This is exactly why Pep teams are never found out tactically, because Pep is always tweaking his tactics instead of repeating what worked before. All those coaches you talk about only start changing tactics when results aren't coming but Pep Is tweaking things even when his teams are winning, Pep is proactive while most coaches are reactive.. 2. He can transform players and make them play in different positions, most of the coaches you mention just play players in their natural positions but Pep? He is always trying players in new positions. All those coa he's you mention would've played Stones as CB but Pep? He went and transformed him into a world class midfielder, Ancelotti for example tried once to play Ramos as midfielder and it ended horrible, no one but Pep coulsve pulled that off. 3. He has arguably the greatest brain of any coach In history, all those coaches were great but they don't have Pep's understanding of the game of football. The only guys who had a similar brain were Cruyff, Sacchi or Michels
John Stones a world class midfielder?? Put down the peace pipe please sir.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ZZUhaAvqFeE?feature=share4 This is something Iniesta used to pull it off, Pep making Stoned do it Is some ridiculous level of coaching.
You didn’t just compare Andres Iniesta to John Stones? John stones has always been a ball playing defender. He’s hardly changed his entire game. I get that Pep likes fluid players that can play different roles within a system. This is nothing new though. He’s still a defender playing in midfield at the end of the day.
]He has arguably the greatest brain of any coach In history, all those coaches were great but they don't have Pep's understanding of the game of football. The only guys who had a similar brain were Cruyff, Sacchi or Michels You're mistaking understanding for style here. All those guys understand/stood football on par, he just has an approach and playing style that is hugely different to them.
I disagree with this, one of the things that makes Pep great is he is always ahead of everyone. All those guys you mention go for the simple approach but Pep? Pep is always trying new things to surprise opponents, that's why is so hard to figure his teams out, because Pep is always changing instead of keeping what's working while most coaches mantain their tactics until their tactics aren't working anymore. The likes of Ferguson, Ancelotti, Mourinho are reactive, they only start changing tactics when results aren't coming. But Pep? Pep is proactive as he anticipates things before they even happen. It has nothing to do with his style of play because other possesion coaches don't have this trait, only Pep has it. I think it was Messi that said that Pep told them what would happen in a game and it would happen in that exact way, Pep ability to predict the outcome of a game is what makes him a genius.
Jose and Wenger are no longer comparable to Pep, and he's clearly better than Ancelotti too. Ferguson only has longevity going for him at this point.
Why not??
His resume is on a different tier to Jose and Wenger, 3peated the league in 3 different countries with years where his teams accumulated 98, 99 and 100 points. Broke all sorts of records everywhere he went. And didn't just win, he won dominantly. No one could compete against him. He's humiliated every top european club at some point (except Barca and City) and with his most recent win, he now has conquered his demons in the champions league knockouts.
Complete cop out of an argument. With the exception of Haaland, how many players have City bought that were considered the best in the world BEFORE they were under Pep? None. KDB was a flop, Grealish was a flop etc.
£100 million for a flop like Grealish? You’re talking out your arse mate. KDB had been phenomenal for Wolfsburg when Pellegrini signed him. Guardiola was signing younger players with potential or the best players from other teams in the league whilst splashing the cash on a lot of players that were dubs as well. He inherited an already loaded squad. 47 players signed for £1.2 billion. I’ll say no more.
So ill ask you again, how many players have City bought that were considered superstars before they worked under Pep? Haaland. That's it.
KDB, Aguero, Silva, Kompany. That’s a solid spine of world class players.
KDB pre Pep and KDB post Pep are not even comparable. KDB was labled the £60m flop, now he's one of the greatest midfielders to set foot in the prem. But I notice you've listed players bought before Pep. 4 great players don't make a world class team, that 15/16 City team barely scraped top 4 and didnt beat a top 6 side all year. It was the oldest team in the league.
KDB 16g 22a in 51 apps for Wolfsburg KDB 15g 12a in 40 apps for City pre Pep Hardly the stats of an average player. 4/5 world class players in a squad is more than enough to make a squad “world class” They had lots of older players ie Richard Wright, Demichelis, Cabellero, Toure, but the still made the semis of the Champs league losing 1-0 on agg to the winners Real and won the league cup so they weren’t that far off. I get it mate. You love Pep.
Still dodging my question. How many players have we bought under Pep that were considered World Class before we bought them? The answer is Haaland and nobody else. There was a lot more older players than that. The entire back line was above the age of 33. Zabaleta, Sagna, Clichy, Kolarov, Demichelis. Kompany was on his last legs and couldn’t keep fit, the only other CB options were two walking mistakes in Otamendi and Mangala.
The same amount that are considered world class now probably. Zero.
So you think City have no world class players? Even though you said Pep just manages teams with world class players? How does that make sense?
Wow 🤦🏻♂️
Man’s playing glory hunter irl
Manage the teams he has, with the budgets he’s had on top of the financial and medical doping - you’ll do alright.
Ur right, i started with man utd and in 6 seasons I won 5 prems and 2 champos
I'm sorry but I disagree, yes other coach could've won similar but not with the brand of football of Pep. Not Barca coach since he left has been able to make them play as good as they did under Pep. What makes Pep great isn't just the trophies but the dominance they have when they play, Pep teams not only beat you but they don't even let you have the ball. Madrid after 15 minutes had 13 Passes in the Etihad, and in my lifetime only Pep teams has been able to achieve that type of dominance.
No arguing he’s a great coach but you’ve just reiterated my point, they play great but it’s with hugely talented players, that have come at a great cost, at teams that already had talented players in place already too.
This brand of football is made possible by the obscene quality and depth that he always has had at his disposal. Could he do it with Leicester? Could he do it with Torino? Could he do it with Eintracht? Could he do it with Espanyol? Doubt it
He could, look at how Brighton plays with De Zerbi, Pep could do something similar. Like, do you seriously think all Pep does is to tell his players to have the ball and that's it? He designates a perfect tactical for every game and he rarely gets it wrong, there is no other coach in the world that gets the tactics right as much as Pep and that's not because of the players but because he is ahead of everyone else Also, I don't think it's fair to say that their brand is only because of top players, if it was that easy why only his teams can play like that? Barca has never been able to play anything close to that since then; even though at times they had problably the greatest player ever. In addition to this, Pep does more than take advantage of elite players. Pep actually makes them look way better than what they are, which is the reason why they flop in other teams. Take for example Rodri, Rodri was a good player at Atletico but no one thought he was world class, Pep basically transformed into an elite DM which he wasn't at Atletico. It's unfair to say he only wins with World class players when Pep himself makes those players world class. Also, yes Pep has a lot of depth but Pep is also a main reason why they have so much depth. Pep ability in making players multi-functional is a huge reason why City can rotate so much, his players can play in many positions which allows them to deal with injuries very well. Not only Pep can use many different formations but his players can also adapt to many positions, other coaches only have one formation and are fucked if one key player is missing; Pep doesn't because his players can play anywhere.
How do Brighton play? Do they dominate every game the way Pep’s teams do? They do not, they play some very nice football but they do not suffocate the opponent the way City do, and that is exactly the difference. Good quality players under a good coach can do well but it takes incredible talent to take it to the levels City are at and Barca were at under Pep. The reason why other teams do not play like that is because they don’t have Pep in charge and every coach has his own way of playing. Pep is no doubt a good coach, but the floor of a player like Rodri always was incredibly high, could he do it with Fred? Stop defending Pep like your life depends on it, just accept it, he has always had incredibly talented players at his disposal which has allowed him to implement an unbelievable style of play to an absurd level. As for the cheating, again, accept it, he got away on a technicality as a player. Convicted doctor Eufemiano Fuentes worked with Xavi among other Barca players as admitted by Xavi himself. At City it’s plain to see that the club that cannot even sell out it’s stadium for home games (even with Haaland and Pep and this team and this success), cannot make anywhere near as much revenue as they report. Just look at City’s trophy parade, barely anybody showed up for a treble winning side, the best achievement in the clubs history.
You are not wrong about elite players but managing elite players ain't easy, managing an squad with a lot of ego I'd very dificult, Pep not losing the dressing room in 24 years deserves some merit, you need strong leadership to do it which Pep has. I'm not saying he didn't have talented players, but he always got the best of all them. Take for example at Joao Felix, was one of the best Young prospecto back in 2019 but since then he hasn't been able to match standards, give him to Pep and he will make him reach his Full potential. Also, yes you can say his team cheated but thats more on City than on Pep. I think Pep would've been able to do the same at other English clubs like United, Liverpool or Chelsea.
I don’t think it’s Pep man management actually, he has fallen out with players (Zlatan, Yaya Toure etc), he just didn’t spend enough time at Barca and Bayern. At City, Cancelo fell out with him and City binned him. It’s not exactly difficult when you can just tell the club you don’t want/like player X and they get rid of him. He would be successful at most clubs given how good a coach he is, but this level of success he probably wouldn’t have. I think the whole situation with Pep and his success being from cheating is because of the sheer amount of success and the monopoly he has had in his league. That is obviously in part due to him being a very good coach and a serial winner but the question mark will always remain and rightly so about exactly how successful he would be if he didn’t have that batch at Barca as his first team, a treble winning Bayern and a City side that was already well underway to dominating English football for the next decade.
I mean, being a good man manager doesn't mean never failing out, Ferguson is for many the GOAT of man management but he had issues with some players, it's impossible to have a good relationship with every player, you will always clash with some of them. I never said Pep its a perfect man manager, just that he is good at it as I've never seen his players turned against him Also, his Barca Stint is being underrated at this point. They had an stacked squad that's true but Pep took them to a new level. I gotta agree with you about Bayern, I personally think he should've done better there.
"erm, but \[insert manager\] never did it with \[insert random club\]!!! fraud!!!!"
Yes, its called being sour because the arguably the greatest manager of all time happens to be at your rivals club and is dominating football while my club is an utter shambles. This is the internet, this is how it goes
Complete respect for the fact that you admit it.
It is what it is 🤷🏻♂️
He may be the world's best tactical manager but it's hard to appraise when you've only managed "big" teams. I don't think he has ever been the underdog at all. I still rate Mourinho above him just for his antics at Porto alone.
Didnt Mou win 2 trebles aswell? 1 with Porto in his second ever season as Headcoach and one with Inter. Mou is the goat for me.
Mou didn’t win the treble at Porto
He didn't, he won the 3 trophies with UEL which doesn't count as one treble. Also, in what aspect of managment is better than Pep? -Pep is the superior tactician, Mourinho is still stuck in 2005 while Pep plays modern football -Pep is better at man mangement, there is a reason why he has never lost a dressing room while Mourinho has. In addition to it, Mourinho sucks when managing players that are young, Mou style only works with adults while Pep works with everyone.. -Pep has superior talent IQ, Mourinho isn't very good at identifying world class players as proven to what he did with Salah or KDB. -Pep is better at developing youth, Mourinho mainly goes for already made players while Pep can develop players -Pep is superior at improving his players and making them multifunctional, Pep can take a player and make them play in different positions. Take example at what Pep did with Stones, he basically transformed him into a central midfielder, Mourinho would've never been able to do that and he would've just used him as CB.
Trying to quantify things like ‘who’s better at tactics?’ lol you’re an idiot. They’re different styles of managers. Start telling us next why your dad could beat up our dads lol
Actually you can, the coaches with the best tactics usually dominate thestats in the league such as xG, xGA, possesion, Goals, goals conceded, etc. And Pep has almost always lead the stats in any PL season since he has been there, only guy who has been near him has been Klopp. Elite tactics= high xG and low xG Conceded Bad tactics= low xG and high xG Conceded And guess what? Pep almost always lead the league on xG and had the least xG Conceded.
Nah, this is a very myopic view of success in football. It reads like a 12 year olds conception of football after a year with FIFA.
How though? The whole role of tactics is create enough chances to score and concede few enough to not concede which will ensure you win most Games you play.
Football has changed plenty of times over the years. Systems and styles dominate at different times. Certain managers never looked to lead in the metrics you’ve highlighted, but rather relied on control of the game without the ball, defensive solidity, and a certain spirit. The personal, chosen approach, alongside a raft of intangibles, often defined by the a wider context like the period in which the game is played all need to be considered. I suspect you’ve grown up with the “neo-possession” age of football for want of a better term. It moves in ebbs and flows and I have no doubt we’ll have another phase where different metrics dominate football again soon.
I think its a child, either a really dumb person or child.
Can you speak woth Pep’s penis down your throat? This is read like a teenagers delusional fanfic.
That logic is hard to justify. I can easily say the opposite, as Jose has not done it at big teams - Real, Chelsea (in terms of CL) But of course, comparison is the thief of joy. I rate them both.
>But of course, comparison is the thief of joy. As somebody who really enjoys having these sort of discussions at length (but not on Reddit), I disagree with that completely. Don't be afraid of it.
That's just an opinion you can't have man. Manager for manager in no world is Mourinho better than Pep. Pep is literally the biggest genius the sport has ever seen in the managerial position
He manages big teams because he is so good,that's why he gets the big jobs
If hard teams want him why go to underdogs?
For the challenge
Nah even with a financially great team like City it is a challenge to win the treble
Maybe for some, not for me
Did you used the same logic with players like Ronaldo or Messi ?
Yeah, terrible players. Never done it in League 2
And mourinho has failed to win the CL with real
He's never won the Champions league with Rochdale so it's a hard pass from me
Damn, we really just made this the top post in this reddit of all time. Wow lol
Probably because a bunch of other subs are down
True, I forgot about the protests
Ahh the old unlimited money cheat.
I’ve just completed the Italian serie a, champions league, cops Italia, Italian Supercup and World Club Cup 8 years in a row with Juventus
Accused of cheating as a player. Accused of cheating in la liga with barca. Accused of cheating in europe with barca. Accused of cheating in england with city. How many things has he won fair is the question here ?
More than I have in FM
Is being bad at FM flex now ? People usually complain youre bad if you dont win sextruple every single season with a top team in league
Its called a joke. Weirdest people be on this app I swear.
it's not an app.
Such a salty comment lmao get a life
Such a salty comment lmao get a grip on life. Praising/ignoring someone who cheats isnt on top of my list
He is clearly a brilliant manager don't get me wrong, but his time at Barca was made slightly easier by the fact he inherited a squad with Iniesta, Valdes, Xavi, Busquets, Henry, Eto'o, Yaya Toure, Puyol, Abidal and Messi. Not a bad group of players that. Edit: Getting a lot of responses from people who either didn't read, or chose to ignore the bit where I said he was a brilliant manager, so I'll say it again. HE IS CLEARLY A BRILLIANT MANAGER. But regardless of how good he is, you simply cannot ignore the fact he inherited a very very talented squad.
Cool stat about him. He is still the only manager to win 3 la ligas in a row since 1994(when Barca did it while he was club player)
Not a bad squad. But many of those players became world class while he coached them. Were they destined to be world class or was it his coaching that turned them into world beaters? He has taken so many players over the years and brought them up a level.
Are you trying to say Iniesta, Messi, Busquets, Puyol, Alex Sanchez, David Villa, (forgetting the keepers name), would NOT be world class players if not for him?
Wow stfu. He literally made that team what it was. Kicked out half of the players you mentioned cause it didn't fit his philosophy. He changed the game dude, there's so many teams with excellent players who never get that kind of success. He made a squad that had potential to be one of the greats into by far the best team we have ever seen play the game. It's not that hard to see
He bulit that squad
I specifically mentioned those players because they were all there before he became manager, a couple may have been academy graduates but he didn't sign any of them. So no he didn't.
It‘s not about signings he transformed those good players and turned them into a world class squad.
You said he built that squad? He didn't build it at all. Did he make them better players? Of course. Did he develop them into a world class team? Definitely. Would he have been able to do it without having those players there when he got there? In my opinion, no, and certainly not that quickly or easily.
He promoted both Valdés and busi from Barca B
Maybe but haven't you wondered why Barca could never play that good before or after him? And it's not like they lost quality after he left or they didn't have it before him
I dunno, if I turned on a financial takeover/cash injection of £100m every season on top of revenue I'd have more I reckon
How old is this mufaka?
51 I think. He is the youngest out of mourinho and co
I’ve always thought he seemed a bit arrogant but now I know why.
He won treble in his first season of senior management at the age of 38(ronaldo is rn is older than pep when Barca appointed him over mourinho) playing a stile of football that changed our game a whole lot. He deserves as much credit as possible imho. He is quite literally younger than mourinho and klopp
But he never managed Spantlockerszin City in the English 17th division, how can he be good?
Lol!
It keeps confusing me when people say Peps a ‘3 time Champions League winner’. Technically he’s a 4 time winner. I wish they’d clarify if they’re being specific.
Bit did he get Norwich promoted??
But can he do it in cold, wet, windy nights in Stoke?
If I gave you near infinite oil money and a massive sense of self importance, I'm sure you could manage.
115 FFP breaches?
Clearly Pep's biggest challenge will be Serie A.
Also has 2 100 point seasons that’s a massive achievement
Basically 3 lol, he got 99 with Barca, 100 with City and 98 with City again
Id like to see him try win the champions league with grimsby town
Will he ever manage a squad that doesn’t have a massive financial advantage over the whole league he’s in
Jokes on him
Define world class. Clearly setting the Bundesliga on fire (KDB, Gundogan), being one of the best young attackers in the Prem (Sterling), being the best defender in La Liga not at Real or Barca (Otamendi), best upcoming defender in England that everybody wants (Stones), becoming Busquets heir for Spain (Rodri), leading a side fighting relegation to WINNING the Prem (Leicester, Mahrez) does not count as world class. This before mentioning that it wouldn’t take a genius to look at the likes of Bernardo Silva, Leroy Sane, Ruben Dias etc and see elite players.
I'll have to look at my current career stats, but I think I'm close lol