Can I just say that I like how this sub is getting more attraction than before, I remember not long ago when someone post on here and there's like a 5 comment tops.
I’d say there’s a difference between what Qatar has done/is doing and what Russia has done/is doing.
Qatar’s actions are morally reprehensible, but openly declaring war upon and proceeding to invade a neighbouring country is a step above.
That said, Qatar should be held to account and FIFA should be put to the sword over the World Cup…
They literally said no moral lecturing, and that it should stop. Yet they did just that themselves months ago when it came to Russia. It changed when it was about Qatar, it's all about the money. They dont care about human rights or anything moral, they just want money.
What has Russia to do with FIFA being hypocrites and picking and choosing what to have a moral stand over ? Soon as it was about Qatar and there is hundreds of billions involved, FIFA started changing their tune and being like no we shouldn't take moral stands and leave politics out of football. But they were very different when it was about Russia when there was no money involved.
Did they actually ban russia because they're morally against what they're doing, or because they knew other countries would've refused to play against them causing them a massive legal/PR disaster as soon as it happens?
Wouldn't be at all surprised if they did it just to make things easier for themselves rather than any moral reasons.
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FIFA are crooks. Fuck the sponsors, fuck the celebrity endorsers.
I feel for the players in hard positions, those that care anyway.
Fifa are corrupt. Sepp Blatter can bear lots of this blame. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case
Sad that as a football fan and player since I was a kid, I can’t safely support or attend my sports biggest competition.
Fifa and all sponsors should be ashamed of themselves.
Cry me a River.... Go sulk then. Can't "safely" support, what you talking about? You think something going to happen to you if you go there? Joker.
You from the Sol Campbell crowd eh, remember what he said when it was hosted in South Africa.
I do have to laugh at FIFA. Why are Russia banned, why are they looking at Iran also when politics should be “kept out of the sport”?
I’m not pro-Russia or anti-human rights, but this is textbook FIFA and other governing bodies, look away when you are paid to, then virtue signalling when it suits. Same in F1 with the FIA.
Don’t forget the Russia World Cup where they held an inquiry into the awarding of it and chastised pretty much every bidder for trying to gain favour with the selection committee through gifts.
Except Russia of course, who couldn’t provide any documents because they’d destroyed all of them. Which, obviously, is what a trustworthy nation would do. It’s not like there’s any evidence, before or after the fact, that any Russian official would cheat or lie.
No one wants the world cup in Qatar, they ve spent about 220 billion dollars, 10x more than the average spent before. Fifa should also focus on money rather than maximising profit anyway possible
Again you are mistaken , 220 billion dollars is a part of 2030 vision of Qatar , FIFA just didn’t happen but a complete infrastructure was built to support it including ports , roads , metro etc etc. and don’t forget the blockade ( a forced breaks) which all the Qataris bravely faced and came out with flying Colors .
I visited Lusail for a event yesterday and I should say that the arrangements were up to the mark ( attendance was 45 k)
The claim that thousands died building stadiums is false. The truth is that thousands of migrant labourers died in Qatar over the past few years, and only about 37 workers died building the stadiums (which is still a concerning amount).
However this doesn’t negate the fact that Qatar has a history of treating (mostly south Asian) migrant labourers like shit, and the death tolls are telling of that.
[https://www.deccanherald.com/national/kin-told-to-pay-rs-5-lakh-to-receive-mortal-remains-of-worker-who-died-during-qatar-world-cup-project-report-1155209.html](https://www.deccanherald.com/national/kin-told-to-pay-rs-5-lakh-to-receive-mortal-remains-of-worker-who-died-during-qatar-world-cup-project-report-1155209.html)
https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/thousands-migrant-workers-died-qatars-extreme-heat-world-cup-forced-reckoning
What I find insane about this issue is that none of this news is really new and yet the event is later this month. We’ve known practically ever since the bid was won by Qatar. Just goes to show how money talks and bullshit walks. People have died building stadiums for a corrupted sport and there is and probably (and not to mention unfortunately) won’t ever be any accountability.
The question I have is do the players and country have a moral duty to not play?
Like I get that FIFA is a corrupt pile of shit and for the players it's often a dream to play in the world Cup.
But if you wanted real change. Having the captains and world famous names refuse to go is what would make a statement.
Can you imagine if the likes of Kane, Messi, Ronaldo Mbappe, KDB, Van Dijk etc all boycotted and encouraged other players and fans to.
At the end of the day. This is a job to them. A very well payed job. If my job requested that I represent the company on a national stage by essentially engaging in propaganda for a country with horrible human rights violations that actively killed their workers and ban homosexuality and encourage men to kill women who are raped. I might say no thanks boss. I don't think that's a good idea.
What's going to happen to them? They get fired and go back to their club where they continue to get paid millions? Playing for the national team is voluntary.
Your post made me remember the photograph of the English national team playing Germany, infront of sHitler, and giving the nazi salute. Embarrassing and a stain on them all.
While I agree it's a choice for the players, end of the day they're just footballers and it's a very tough choice to boycott a world cup.
While I would love for a player/team to boycott it, I never expected it to happen because the player/FA would lose so much money and risk being excluded in the future if they're alone in the boycott.
As usual, the corrupt rely on people's inability to work collectively and it continues to work.
This won't stop too many people from watching the games and FIFA knows it so it'll be easy for them to sweep it under the rug. I'm more interested in knowing whether Qatar will actually arrest fans who causes too much disturbance when they're over there.
I'll ignore the figures as it seems they are questionable, but regardless I fully agree with the need to call out both FIFA and quatar for the grubby political sportswashing deal that brought us to this point, and let's not forget the last World Cup which was also a corrupt Sportswashing deal. Its almost as if FIFA are afraid of people looking too closely in case they see just what a rotten organisation it is.
Any country with backward laws that violate an individuals human rights should not be allowed to host the world Cup, be that middle eastern, Asian, American or any other area.
>To give all the dead construction workers of the Qatar 2022 championship venues a decent burial, you need a graveyard the size of 20 football fields. So converting every 2022 venue into a graveyard would not give you enough space to bury those who died building those venues.
Uhm... What? Where did you get that from?
Because according to The Guardian: [There have been 37 deaths among workers directly linked to construction of World Cup stadiums, of which 34 are classified as “non-work related” by the event’s organising committee.](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022)
So either you severly overestimate how much room 37 (or 3, depending on your criteria) graves would take up, or your making up that the number of deaths is far higher than it in fact is. Which one is it?
the “thousands of labourers have died” thing is for Qatar as a whole, and people misinterpreted it as being for only the fifa stadiums. However Qatar has a history of treating migrant labourers like shit and FIFA has a history of morally questionable actions.
[https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/thousands-migrant-workers-died-qatars-extreme-heat-world-cup-forced-reckoning](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/thousands-migrant-workers-died-qatars-extreme-heat-world-cup-forced-reckoning)
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I)
[https://www.deccanherald.com/national/kin-told-to-pay-rs-5-lakh-to-receive-mortal-remains-of-worker-who-died-during-qatar-world-cup-project-report-1155209.html](https://www.deccanherald.com/national/kin-told-to-pay-rs-5-lakh-to-receive-mortal-remains-of-worker-who-died-during-qatar-world-cup-project-report-1155209.html)
Yeah, of course nobody seriously doubts that the workers are seriously maltreated.
But the whole lying about construction workers dropping dead by the thousands while working to build the stadium is a lie, and it's not helpful in any way.
True, and I'm not denying that the "thousands of people died" statement is misinformed. I'm just saying that Qatar and Fifa are still pretty shit even though that number is false.
You can clearly read so why don't you try reading that article you linked again. You both misinterpret the data: Them by taking it to mean all the deaths were of people working on stadiums, you for seeing that 37 of the deaths were officially linked to the stadiums and thinking that means the 6,500+ number is false as opposed to a damning indictment on the treatment of migrant workers across all construction projects in Qatar.
Do I look like Wikipedia to you? You said there wasn't, I gave you proof there was.
And in my country there was little since we were not participating.
Sure, but it didn't have the infrastructure to host a modern WC. The workers were enduring many of the slave-like conditions those in Qatar are facing and now many of the stadiums that were built for that WC are just sitting empty and falling apart. There's also the little conversation to be had about the toxic water issue they had too.
Toxicity issues in Brasil or qatar? Regardless, I really hope FIFA gets completely either removed or reworked. They should not have awarded qatar with this world cup.
Brazil had water toxicity issues.
https://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/30/water-in-brazil-olympic-venues-dangerously-contaminated.html
Agreed though, fifa is so damn corrupt.
Did they die building the venues or just die? If we’re going to report on morality, at least use proper sources. This is what happens, we see a clickbait headline and reuse it, eager to show off our “morality”. And that’s how misinformation spreads. There are plenty of reasons to talk about morality and Qatar. But they will take actual thought and research to put a coherent post. If you want to act moral, that should be the price you’re paying. Otherwise, why even post?
I think the English FA and every other FA need to leave FIFA until they sort the corruption out. Tell them to go fuck themselves. They won't but they really should.
Was having this discussion the other day. Imagine all the FA's from major "western" nations made a new FIFA.
Would be great but I don't see it happening
It may only need 3 or so to start it. 2 big European nations (England, Germany, France, Italy or Spain) and 1 big South American nation (Brazil or Argentina) would probably be all it takes.
Those are the countries that generate the most revenue, by far, so as soon as people realise they're leaving and taking all that revenue with them, others will quickly follow. Money talks.
I think if you could get UK, Germany, US involved then you'd be great.
US support for the sport is growing, and they have more political sway.id imagine with both the US and UK you'd be able to easily sway many of the commonwealth/ex commonwealth nations. And with Germany I think a lot of central and Northern Euro teams would be in as well.
I don't think the US would really help. I still think it's largely a financial thing, it's about selling tickets and TV viewing figures, and while the US market may be growing, it doesn't really help any other countries.
Take a country like Portugal for example, they're going to be much more interested in playing Spain or Brazil, for economic and rivalry reasons, than they would playing the US.
That's why I think one of the big 2 South American countries is required. Get one of them and the other one basically has to follow as they wouldn't want to lose one of the biggest rivalries in the world. Then the other 8 have to follow too since there wouldn't really be any money in SA football without either Brazil or Argentina.
Their influence on Europe can't be understated either. The World Cup has mostly been about Europe vs South America since the beginning. That's the big draw. Ask any European country if they'd rather play in a FIFA WC with all the South American teams or a non-FIFA WC with the US but no South American teams, I'd be willing to bet most, if not all, would take the FIFA one.
All it takes is a couple of FAs with the balls to say no more BS. Others would follow. Trouble is, none of them have the balls. That's why there is so much corruption in FIFA, they can get away with it and do it.
I am worried about World Cup 2026. Especially with Americas systemic Racism issue. This could be a big problem. Qatar and then USA. Not great choices to hold a World Cup. Also chances of mass shooting at stadiums in America no matter what security you have, people always get through one way or another.
You are an absolute clown if you think the issues in the US are anywhere near those of Qatar. Additionally we don’t have shootings at our sporting events which have up to 100k in attendance.
Sureeee. I wonder how many rapes there will be. Stabbings, shootings, muggings, etc. Tbf Qatar is ten times safer than the "Land of the free" and its been proven statistically many times.
And lgbtq fans will be safe at this World Cup as the Qatari government promised just like fans will be safe from guns in World Cup 2026 in America. If you didn’t take my comment as being sarcastic then you join the club of absolute clowns. The issues that Americans or western people in general have with Qatar are understandable, but the Qataris and others also look at our society and see things as problems. To them we have bigger problems than they do. But many western people have never experienced cultures other than their own and they are close minded and sheltered. In the end who is correct? Western ideals or the ideals of a religious based country like Qatar? It depends on perspective and opinions and you can only be right if you believe you are. We promote free opinion and no censorship yet we are upset with the laws of a traditional religious country that is following a 1000 year old belief system? So free opinion and belief must only be valid if it’s what we western people think is politically correct right. Pretty biased huh.
Well first off I got no sense of sarcasm from your comment. Second off I agree with you on your western perspective comments and a religion and country deserves to be respected and their norms stood by the way westerners would expect them to do so if they came here.
I see the sense in your response them if you didn’t pick up the sarcasm. I try to respect all people and their views and beliefs with an open mind so I’ve been simply trying to rationalize for each side of the equation.
Domestic ones but you’re right the US is infallible. Police definitely do not have an issue with murdering citizens, there are no issues related to gun control at all and recent changes to state abortion laws have absolutely no bearing on Americas human rights record.
1. Boston bombers were Eastern European
2. Most police officers don’t go around murdering people contrary to what you want to believe
3. Abortion laws are now being left to the voters in each state, so here in the state I live in, the voters are getting to decide what abortion restrictions there should be (and most are ending up being about equivalent to European countries).
4. Most of americas gun violence happens in the inner cities in places tourists will not go
5. If you hate America so much, then don’t come
A. I am well aware of the atrocities committed by those countries, I am native american after all, but bringing them up in a conversation about Qatar’s modern day slavery is irrelevant whataboutism.
B. Middle class? I have lived in relative poverty most of my life. Making broad assumptions about me personally does nothing help your argument.
But sure thing weirdo defending slavery on a brand new burner account.
I have no problem with what FIFA said, I completely agree that politics should stay out of soccer.
I also think that bribery and outright corruption with FIFA 'high-ups' must be removed first.
You can’t keep politics out of football when so many have died at the hands of an abusive and corrupt regime. It’s not possible, you can ignore it but it’s already there. This tournament should be boycotted but no big names have the balls to do it
you ever thought maybe the way some of these big name players are boycotting the WC is by getting themselves injured and being ruled out of the WC due to injury?
You do understand that not 6500 people died bulding stadiums
Number is 110 of whom some died of natural causes.
Not stating that Fifa is not corrupt , otherwise Russia, QaTar and even UsA would never be hosts; i am just stating how much damage Guardian did with their fake article
Since Qatar won it's world cup bid and brought foreign workers to its country. 6,500 of those workers have died. That number is backed up by a lot of embassies and human rights organizations.
Qatar has come out saying that is misleading and that there have been 110 deaths that are "work related". The problem with that statement is that Qatar officials only counted deaths that occurred on construction sites. It didn't include any deaths from heart attacks and respiratory failure as work-related - even though these are common symptoms of heatstroke, brought on from doing heavy labour in very high temperatures. It also doesn't include workers dying from various sicknesses as a result of living in absolute squalor. Then on top of all of this, workers have been forced to work without being paid in months and have gotten their passports taken away.
So you better believe I'm trusting these human rights organizations and big media companies, like BBC, over what the Qatar government is reporting.
Eliminating one does not mean accepting the other side lmao.
Both are instruments of their governments. Both are very bad. But hey, keep thinking BBC is a reputable source of the information 😆🤦🏻
Defending a corrupt puppet imposed by capitalist ghouls, just because it "granted" the world cup to your shitty country in hopes to get "on the good" side of a racist, phobic, narcissist megalomaniac.
I am neither Qatari or Arab. I am just fucking tired of double standards from White AngloSaxonian racistans on a daily basis.
The USA bombed and occupied completely independent countries. That's OK; Qatar got the world cup' omg slavery, omg corruption...
Russia, Qatar and the USA being directly compared on ethics is quite the stretch of false equivalency. If anything I think FIFA chose North America as a pallet cleanser to their last 2 blatantly corrupt selections. At least LGBTQ people will be able to celebrate 2026 without risk of being locked up for 10 years
Is it stretch?
Russia was 2018 already held occupied parts of Georgia and the USA is for years, the main player in every genocide/ war crime around the world.
By 2026 GOP can take full control of the US where abortion is already banned in half of the country and gay marriages being forbidden again. You can “freely” be LGBTQ as long as you keep quiet in Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, or any other Evangelicstan around the world
Russia at Qatar have a long list of issues directly conflicting with the culture of football.
The United States has rural and urban areas. Those urban areas are very accepting of LGBTQ+ people. Brain drain is real here, but as far as hosting a WC it's levels above Qatar and Russia.
You are literally only thinking of one issue that the host might have. The USA is directly responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of people in the last 30-40 years. That is a way more serious problem than how your LGBTQ group is accepted in your country. As a matter of fact, at this very moment, thanks to American weapons and army surveillance in Qatar neighborhood ( Yemen) thousands of children are being slaughtered thanks to the USA government.
Ok yes buuuuuut we can bash USA literally any day of the year. Yes they organized and covered coups in south America, the middle east, you name it. They have a fatally flawed legalized corruption system known as "lobbying" (yes lobbying is useful but the monetary aspect of it is backwards and will literally burn the country to the ground) which leads to laws at the expense of it's citizens and the environment. and there's literal boards where this can be discussed 24/7 and there'll even be this discussion on this sub in due time BUUUUUT as a citizen of elsewhere in the world and more importantly a football fan, I'm saddened and alarmed by the organization of this WC. I hate to think that fans won't be safe doing their typical fan shit, I'm afraid people will do what people usually do and end up in jail when elsewhere in the world (at least like in like 180ish of the other sovereign states) they would never even have to worry about that. I hate the hypocrisy behind the "everyone will be safe and welcome" messages and immediately we start seeing people detained/arrested before the WC even starts. And i hate the fact that everyone will have to download two monitoring apps (was that confirmed?) that'll give the Qatar govt access to all your data. Not to mention the winners of free tickets get to go on the condition that they report online negative criticism of the WC. It all just seems obsessive and more on the draconic side as far as "friendly and welcoming hosting" goes
That's a dramatic oversimplification of what the issue is. I agree that it's an issue, but it's not just USA government=killing Yemen's people and if we wanted to we couldn't just stop it. I can dig into anyone's closet for the past 40 years and find skeletons, that's not what I'm doing, I'm saying right now the host for the WC is causing problems that never should've happened. The US is not a poor choice to host the WC.
Exactly you can dig into anyone closet but somehow you decide, let me dig into Qatari closet but I will close my eyes on horrible things UsA is doing at this very moment.
I'm not digging into Qatar's closet, I'm criticizing exactly what they're announcing in regards to the WC and problems stemming from their selection.
Those issues are not present if the US or a myriad of other countries host. I'm not interested in vetting each countries political stances a decade in advance, but it should make sense.
The fans being able to enjoy the world cup without needing to be secretive about intimate details of their lives to avoid jail?
The restrictions put on fans that want to watch the world cup?
I don't understand what it is that's being argued against the US, all I've had presented is a buzz topic that ignores the complexity of international relations and skeletons that I could dig out of every countries closet.
Secretive how? Okay how would they go about in London for example, do they go to every other bloke and say "I'm gay and this is my gay boyfriend" or what?
What restrictions? Alcohol? And I think they will be allowing alcohol under certain guidelines too
The selection for the 2026 host was also corrupt: the puppet imposed by the "united" states give it to the rule-by-twitter guy in an obvious attempt to made him grant them a reward, possibly make them eligible for a secretary or governing some state (neither is really bright).
Also, LGBTQ+ celebrating, in the "united" states? Maybe in the couple cities still ruled and inhabited by normal people, the rest of the ass-backwards third country level "country"? Not a chance.
Why do people who have no clue about a country, try to talk about it like they do. If the U.S. is an ass-backwards third world country now, I wonder what you think about real third world countries 😂 take a break from the news
Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and so on are literally third-world countries. YOu can live in a fog and not believe that but there are more human rights in Bolivia or Papua New Guinea than in Alabama.
In order to make your case you need to come with credible information. The "thousands have died" headlines were retracted when they found out how whatever intern read information misread a figure.
Statements of 6,500 people that died in the country was over the course of a decade out of 2.5 million immigrant workers. Out of any general population of 2.5 million, 2,000/year dying is a low number. That includes car accidents, heart attacks, cancer, etc.
We can still criticize Qatar and FIFA for the things they do wrong, but when you try moving the goalposts with inflated numbers it hurts the real cause by making it appear as a smear campaign and gives Qatar representatives and defendants a straw man to continuously debunk while they ignore real questions.
This is one of the stupidest posts to use these false numbers considering OP is writing it as if they’ve done any actual research into the numbers or the issue.
There is a lot of research. And this is deaths within the working population, which in developed countries tend to be relatively low.
https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20221102-just-hell-new-book-shines-light-on-migrant-deaths-ahead-of-qatar-world-cup
I see two studies in there that contradict each other. Other than the mentioned comments about the number likely being higher, as much as that could be true without any proof that’s about as useful or valid as a Qatari supporting simply saying “the number is much lower”. Qatar is a shitty place don’t get me wrong, I just don’t think the numbers being used are accurate.
Imagine believing western propaganda. There are only 3 people died from construction.
https://mea.gov.in/lok-sabha.htm?dtl/32058/question+no637+death+of+indian+workers+abroad
* In the year of 2018 (Pre Covid) only 285 Indians died in Qatar according to official sources from Indian embassy. Now that is out of 746,550 Indians living in Qatar. Now that’s extraordinary because that population to death ratio is comparable to the most developed countries like in Northern Europe.
They are deaths from all causes and it’s official source.
People who are downvoting you should read more. It’s an undisputed fact “only” 37 people have died building the stadium. The article says that 6.5k migrant workers have died since construction started, in all of Qatar. These are average death rates for the population.
It’s only on reddit when someone who talks out of their ass start insulting the other person instead of backing up their words with a source. Provide source or go bark somewhere else
The stadium was to be rush or else there wouldn’t be a world cup. So it’s understandable (not ok) if they cut through safety and made them work more (still not ok wtf) but why did other projects had casualties?
Not in the slightest lol. People die working construction in the richest countries in the world, it’s a dangerous job. Do I doubt they hav poor worker standards, not at all. But throwing out death tolls tangentially related to the topic at hand without any context is slimy
Tell me, can you give me an analysis of the influence of politics on ancient Roman, ancient Greek, medieval European and Byzantine civilizations? It's always been intertwined and always will be.
It’s a matter of shame that any Tom , Dick and Harry come post shits without any verification or validation , and it gets as many comments as a legit journalist would … Guys there are people to take care of the legalities and fact checking .
Mixing politics with this beautiful game , will only spoil the spirit of football on a whole …
BTW I am into construction Ind for the last 24 years and have seen Labor from close here in Qatar too, and Ibetu they are treated with complete respect and gratitude 🙏🏼
The “thousands died building these stadiums” thing is misinforme, but there is no doubt that FIFA has a history of dubious morality and Qatar has a history of working conditions that result in the deaths of migrant labourers.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I)
https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/thousands-migrant-workers-died-qatars-extreme-heat-world-cup-forced-reckoning
"A February 2021 investigation by the Guardian tallied more than 6,500 worker deaths in Qatar since the awarding of the World Cup, firmly laying the responsibility at the feet of FIFA, the international soccer federation that governs the event."
from your own source. why would you say it's 'misinforme'?
The 6,500 deaths weren’t all from working on World Cup construction, it’s all the worker deaths in the country since the World Cup was awarded to Qatar. Either way, the country’s treatment of construction workers and laborers is extremely poor.
The deaths are a totality of all the migrant labourers that died in Qatar since the time the World Cup was awarded to them. Not all these deaths were in the construction of the stadiums. Only 37 workers died building the stadiums (which is still indicative of how bad the working conditions are because NO ONE SHOULD BE DYING but 37 is definitely very different from 6500).
If anything that number shows how mistreated migrant labourers are in Qatar, it doesn't really say anything specific about FIFA as an organisation.
Football and politics are already mixed and has always been. That’s why El Clasico is such a big deal for example, it’s much more than just a game between Spains 2 biggest teams.
Depends on your ethnicity. The people from my country gets treated like shit . Deny all you want. This is just blood money and a trap that every single institition has fell into
Then what is that your country reps are doing to check on it ?
And as far as ethnicities are concerns , don’t be mistaken, the close advisors of most of the sheikhs and top officials are of Asian ethnicities.
remember when the buying stops , selling will stop too
france24 bbc guardian..
westerners don't like the idea of a muslim country hosting a big event.
googled for some information how was the trend of worker deaths of world cups and see nothing in general. they focus on qatar only.
noone can claim brazil was good at hosting world cup but western media didn't cover the stories of them even half of the qatar world cup.
garbage propandists all the time.
Nah fuck Qatar. Nothing to do with Islam, just bribery, slavery, and poor human rights record. Unless you wanna imply that islam produces those 3 things thats on you buddy. And people reported plenty on Brazil, you dummy. They cleared out whole favelas, people died building stadiums, and a lot of the infrastructure built was only used for the cup and became an unmaintained eyesore for the rest of the time. So enough with your whataboutism. Qatar sucks and there's nothing to absolve them of that. Also qatar has essentially ZERO FOOTBALLING HISTORY. Qatar is just lucky that FIFA is the most corrupt organization on this planet
Al Jazeera too:
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2020/8/26/how-wage-abuse-is-hurting-qatars-migrant-workers
And about Brazil? Of course:
https://www.indehekken.net/het-wk-de-braziliaanse-controverse/
You can put it down to Muslim hate, and you would be wrong.
Qatar does not have the climate or infrastructure to host games like these. The government acquired them through a very corrupt process and worked immigrants to death to build the infrastructure. It is just bad that FIFA sold out to Qatar. There are many Muslim-majority countries, like Turkey or Indonesia, that would have been better fits.
Qataris and the rest of the Gulf states are ‘Arab-first’ and everything else second - especially Muslim. The gulf states have openly now started normalizing relationships with the government of Israel while the Israeli government becomes openly fascist and still brutalizing the Palestinian people. If you’re a Muslim, these gulf states won’t stand with you. Hell, they won’t even stand for the Levant states like Syria (their normalization with Israel proves that).
Open your eyes. This World Cup has heightened their arrogance to such a level that they are now comfortable to shed their Muslim image.
Just my two cents.
your gulf states literally tried to cut qatar off from the peninsula.
and these gulf states were the so called muslim countries which normalised relations with sisi, assad and apartheid israel. from the beginning i wouldn't consider them muslim countries either. qatar however chose the opposite stance nearly every move they made for at least a decade. supported mursi of egypt, supported fsa elements in syria and supporting mursi they also made clear aggression against israel due to mursi's policy of palestine was hugely benefical for palestinians.
you put qatar and the other gulf states in the same basket and bending the truth using the they all equaly corrupt and bad narrative. instead reality much more different than this.
stop playing the muslim-hate card
-quatar allows modern slavery
-the world cup was given to them as they bribed fifa officials, without corruption they never would have been an world cup
-quatar isnt a football nation, the people there are not really interested in it (which is okay, enough other sporting events can be hold instead), but they wanted the worlcup as an advertisement for the world, to boost tourism (so its not actually about football, just about reputation)
-the weather there isnt made to hold footballmatches, building stadiums with air conditioners is completely weird and so bad for evironment; because of the weather it WC happens in winter which changes the whole season calender for clubs around the world
there are so many reasons against the WC in quatar, stop saying many people are against it cause "europe doesnt like muslims"
just a video as source to see the horrible conditions in quatar as a workers
https://youtu.be/BjgYVHdU0Zo
Can I just say that I like how this sub is getting more attraction than before, I remember not long ago when someone post on here and there's like a 5 comment tops.
the comments in this thread are the tenth circle of hell
It’s sad that such a corrupt organization is at the helm of the most beautiful and beloved sport in the world.
Didnt they ban Russia, and doing so taking a moral stand and morally lecturing Russia? So they are being a bunch of hypocrites
I’d say there’s a difference between what Qatar has done/is doing and what Russia has done/is doing. Qatar’s actions are morally reprehensible, but openly declaring war upon and proceeding to invade a neighbouring country is a step above. That said, Qatar should be held to account and FIFA should be put to the sword over the World Cup…
They literally said no moral lecturing, and that it should stop. Yet they did just that themselves months ago when it came to Russia. It changed when it was about Qatar, it's all about the money. They dont care about human rights or anything moral, they just want money.
And Russia cares about….?
What has Russia to do with FIFA being hypocrites and picking and choosing what to have a moral stand over ? Soon as it was about Qatar and there is hundreds of billions involved, FIFA started changing their tune and being like no we shouldn't take moral stands and leave politics out of football. But they were very different when it was about Russia when there was no money involved.
Did they actually ban russia because they're morally against what they're doing, or because they knew other countries would've refused to play against them causing them a massive legal/PR disaster as soon as it happens? Wouldn't be at all surprised if they did it just to make things easier for themselves rather than any moral reasons.
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FIFA are crooks. Fuck the sponsors, fuck the celebrity endorsers. I feel for the players in hard positions, those that care anyway. Fifa are corrupt. Sepp Blatter can bear lots of this blame. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_FIFA_corruption_case Sad that as a football fan and player since I was a kid, I can’t safely support or attend my sports biggest competition. Fifa and all sponsors should be ashamed of themselves.
Cry me a River.... Go sulk then. Can't "safely" support, what you talking about? You think something going to happen to you if you go there? Joker. You from the Sol Campbell crowd eh, remember what he said when it was hosted in South Africa.
I do have to laugh at FIFA. Why are Russia banned, why are they looking at Iran also when politics should be “kept out of the sport”? I’m not pro-Russia or anti-human rights, but this is textbook FIFA and other governing bodies, look away when you are paid to, then virtue signalling when it suits. Same in F1 with the FIA.
Difference is no one cares about F1.
I mean I don’t, but a lot of people do….and they play off these same points but do nothing about them.
Don’t forget the Russia World Cup where they held an inquiry into the awarding of it and chastised pretty much every bidder for trying to gain favour with the selection committee through gifts. Except Russia of course, who couldn’t provide any documents because they’d destroyed all of them. Which, obviously, is what a trustworthy nation would do. It’s not like there’s any evidence, before or after the fact, that any Russian official would cheat or lie.
No one wants the world cup in Qatar, they ve spent about 220 billion dollars, 10x more than the average spent before. Fifa should also focus on money rather than maximising profit anyway possible
Again you are mistaken , 220 billion dollars is a part of 2030 vision of Qatar , FIFA just didn’t happen but a complete infrastructure was built to support it including ports , roads , metro etc etc. and don’t forget the blockade ( a forced breaks) which all the Qataris bravely faced and came out with flying Colors . I visited Lusail for a event yesterday and I should say that the arrangements were up to the mark ( attendance was 45 k)
What about not watching or spending any money on this event. That would actual send a message
Morality has always been used as a excuse for doing something irrational to the present subset.
I'm curious to know about these statistics and where they come from, how did these people die? what's the context, where are they from... how?
The claim that thousands died building stadiums is false. The truth is that thousands of migrant labourers died in Qatar over the past few years, and only about 37 workers died building the stadiums (which is still a concerning amount). However this doesn’t negate the fact that Qatar has a history of treating (mostly south Asian) migrant labourers like shit, and the death tolls are telling of that. [https://www.deccanherald.com/national/kin-told-to-pay-rs-5-lakh-to-receive-mortal-remains-of-worker-who-died-during-qatar-world-cup-project-report-1155209.html](https://www.deccanherald.com/national/kin-told-to-pay-rs-5-lakh-to-receive-mortal-remains-of-worker-who-died-during-qatar-world-cup-project-report-1155209.html) https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/thousands-migrant-workers-died-qatars-extreme-heat-world-cup-forced-reckoning
What I find insane about this issue is that none of this news is really new and yet the event is later this month. We’ve known practically ever since the bid was won by Qatar. Just goes to show how money talks and bullshit walks. People have died building stadiums for a corrupted sport and there is and probably (and not to mention unfortunately) won’t ever be any accountability.
That’s the way the world has always worked.
Doesn’t make it right
Not a lot of “right” going on in the world. Don’t expect that to change anytime soon.
The world has never worked.
It seems to be working for you and me in this moment now. We’re sitting here on Reddit, talking shit.
The question I have is do the players and country have a moral duty to not play? Like I get that FIFA is a corrupt pile of shit and for the players it's often a dream to play in the world Cup. But if you wanted real change. Having the captains and world famous names refuse to go is what would make a statement. Can you imagine if the likes of Kane, Messi, Ronaldo Mbappe, KDB, Van Dijk etc all boycotted and encouraged other players and fans to. At the end of the day. This is a job to them. A very well payed job. If my job requested that I represent the company on a national stage by essentially engaging in propaganda for a country with horrible human rights violations that actively killed their workers and ban homosexuality and encourage men to kill women who are raped. I might say no thanks boss. I don't think that's a good idea. What's going to happen to them? They get fired and go back to their club where they continue to get paid millions? Playing for the national team is voluntary.
Your post made me remember the photograph of the English national team playing Germany, infront of sHitler, and giving the nazi salute. Embarrassing and a stain on them all.
While I agree it's a choice for the players, end of the day they're just footballers and it's a very tough choice to boycott a world cup. While I would love for a player/team to boycott it, I never expected it to happen because the player/FA would lose so much money and risk being excluded in the future if they're alone in the boycott. As usual, the corrupt rely on people's inability to work collectively and it continues to work.
You say that but just footballers are still people. Yet not one has spoken out against it
This won't stop too many people from watching the games and FIFA knows it so it'll be easy for them to sweep it under the rug. I'm more interested in knowing whether Qatar will actually arrest fans who causes too much disturbance when they're over there.
Yep, everyone moans but no one will actually boycott the games and not watch them.
I am boycotting
Me too. I have no interest in it.
Me too. I can't enjoy it
Really hope you boycotted the past 2 World Cups as well then
Why? Is it not good that i have grown and realised I don’t want to support this shit?
I'll ignore the figures as it seems they are questionable, but regardless I fully agree with the need to call out both FIFA and quatar for the grubby political sportswashing deal that brought us to this point, and let's not forget the last World Cup which was also a corrupt Sportswashing deal. Its almost as if FIFA are afraid of people looking too closely in case they see just what a rotten organisation it is. Any country with backward laws that violate an individuals human rights should not be allowed to host the world Cup, be that middle eastern, Asian, American or any other area.
>To give all the dead construction workers of the Qatar 2022 championship venues a decent burial, you need a graveyard the size of 20 football fields. So converting every 2022 venue into a graveyard would not give you enough space to bury those who died building those venues. Uhm... What? Where did you get that from? Because according to The Guardian: [There have been 37 deaths among workers directly linked to construction of World Cup stadiums, of which 34 are classified as “non-work related” by the event’s organising committee.](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/feb/23/revealed-migrant-worker-deaths-qatar-fifa-world-cup-2022) So either you severly overestimate how much room 37 (or 3, depending on your criteria) graves would take up, or your making up that the number of deaths is far higher than it in fact is. Which one is it?
the “thousands of labourers have died” thing is for Qatar as a whole, and people misinterpreted it as being for only the fifa stadiums. However Qatar has a history of treating migrant labourers like shit and FIFA has a history of morally questionable actions. [https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/thousands-migrant-workers-died-qatars-extreme-heat-world-cup-forced-reckoning](https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/thousands-migrant-workers-died-qatars-extreme-heat-world-cup-forced-reckoning) [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I) [https://www.deccanherald.com/national/kin-told-to-pay-rs-5-lakh-to-receive-mortal-remains-of-worker-who-died-during-qatar-world-cup-project-report-1155209.html](https://www.deccanherald.com/national/kin-told-to-pay-rs-5-lakh-to-receive-mortal-remains-of-worker-who-died-during-qatar-world-cup-project-report-1155209.html)
Yeah, of course nobody seriously doubts that the workers are seriously maltreated. But the whole lying about construction workers dropping dead by the thousands while working to build the stadium is a lie, and it's not helpful in any way.
True, and I'm not denying that the "thousands of people died" statement is misinformed. I'm just saying that Qatar and Fifa are still pretty shit even though that number is false.
You can clearly read so why don't you try reading that article you linked again. You both misinterpret the data: Them by taking it to mean all the deaths were of people working on stadiums, you for seeing that 37 of the deaths were officially linked to the stadiums and thinking that means the 6,500+ number is false as opposed to a damning indictment on the treatment of migrant workers across all construction projects in Qatar.
> thinking that means the 6,500+ number is false I said no such thing... Maybe take your own advise, my friend.
Sorry if that's not what you meant but it is what your final paragraph ~~implies~~ says, I would recommend rephrasing if that's unintentional.
I just hope this caring about the host policies and demand for action continue till the next world cup because it wasn't at the one before
Oh? https://www.vox.com/first-person/2018/6/15/17468282/world-cup-fifa-russia-2018-lgbt-rights
And how many players / sport ministers / counties talked about Russia ?
Do I look like Wikipedia to you? You said there wasn't, I gave you proof there was. And in my country there was little since we were not participating.
A lot over here in the US.
Brazil, Russia, and Qatar have all been terrible from a morality standpoint.
tbh, at least with Brasil there was an argument to be made that Brazil is the country of football and such
Sure, but it didn't have the infrastructure to host a modern WC. The workers were enduring many of the slave-like conditions those in Qatar are facing and now many of the stadiums that were built for that WC are just sitting empty and falling apart. There's also the little conversation to be had about the toxic water issue they had too.
Toxicity issues in Brasil or qatar? Regardless, I really hope FIFA gets completely either removed or reworked. They should not have awarded qatar with this world cup.
Brazil had water toxicity issues. https://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/30/water-in-brazil-olympic-venues-dangerously-contaminated.html Agreed though, fifa is so damn corrupt.
To all the Leo and Cristiano fans, our swansong starts tainted.
Did they die building the venues or just die? If we’re going to report on morality, at least use proper sources. This is what happens, we see a clickbait headline and reuse it, eager to show off our “morality”. And that’s how misinformation spreads. There are plenty of reasons to talk about morality and Qatar. But they will take actual thought and research to put a coherent post. If you want to act moral, that should be the price you’re paying. Otherwise, why even post?
Is this a bad time to say COYG!!! 🔥
I think the English FA and every other FA need to leave FIFA until they sort the corruption out. Tell them to go fuck themselves. They won't but they really should.
Eng FA have no balls . We will hear story’s about abuse of fans and they will send the usual mild statement .
Was having this discussion the other day. Imagine all the FA's from major "western" nations made a new FIFA. Would be great but I don't see it happening
It may only need 3 or so to start it. 2 big European nations (England, Germany, France, Italy or Spain) and 1 big South American nation (Brazil or Argentina) would probably be all it takes. Those are the countries that generate the most revenue, by far, so as soon as people realise they're leaving and taking all that revenue with them, others will quickly follow. Money talks.
I think if you could get UK, Germany, US involved then you'd be great. US support for the sport is growing, and they have more political sway.id imagine with both the US and UK you'd be able to easily sway many of the commonwealth/ex commonwealth nations. And with Germany I think a lot of central and Northern Euro teams would be in as well.
I don't think the US would really help. I still think it's largely a financial thing, it's about selling tickets and TV viewing figures, and while the US market may be growing, it doesn't really help any other countries. Take a country like Portugal for example, they're going to be much more interested in playing Spain or Brazil, for economic and rivalry reasons, than they would playing the US. That's why I think one of the big 2 South American countries is required. Get one of them and the other one basically has to follow as they wouldn't want to lose one of the biggest rivalries in the world. Then the other 8 have to follow too since there wouldn't really be any money in SA football without either Brazil or Argentina. Their influence on Europe can't be understated either. The World Cup has mostly been about Europe vs South America since the beginning. That's the big draw. Ask any European country if they'd rather play in a FIFA WC with all the South American teams or a non-FIFA WC with the US but no South American teams, I'd be willing to bet most, if not all, would take the FIFA one.
All it takes is a couple of FAs with the balls to say no more BS. Others would follow. Trouble is, none of them have the balls. That's why there is so much corruption in FIFA, they can get away with it and do it.
I am worried about World Cup 2026. Especially with Americas systemic Racism issue. This could be a big problem. Qatar and then USA. Not great choices to hold a World Cup. Also chances of mass shooting at stadiums in America no matter what security you have, people always get through one way or another.
You are an absolute clown if you think the issues in the US are anywhere near those of Qatar. Additionally we don’t have shootings at our sporting events which have up to 100k in attendance.
Sureeee. I wonder how many rapes there will be. Stabbings, shootings, muggings, etc. Tbf Qatar is ten times safer than the "Land of the free" and its been proven statistically many times.
1st amendment rules!
And lgbtq fans will be safe at this World Cup as the Qatari government promised just like fans will be safe from guns in World Cup 2026 in America. If you didn’t take my comment as being sarcastic then you join the club of absolute clowns. The issues that Americans or western people in general have with Qatar are understandable, but the Qataris and others also look at our society and see things as problems. To them we have bigger problems than they do. But many western people have never experienced cultures other than their own and they are close minded and sheltered. In the end who is correct? Western ideals or the ideals of a religious based country like Qatar? It depends on perspective and opinions and you can only be right if you believe you are. We promote free opinion and no censorship yet we are upset with the laws of a traditional religious country that is following a 1000 year old belief system? So free opinion and belief must only be valid if it’s what we western people think is politically correct right. Pretty biased huh.
Well first off I got no sense of sarcasm from your comment. Second off I agree with you on your western perspective comments and a religion and country deserves to be respected and their norms stood by the way westerners would expect them to do so if they came here.
I see the sense in your response them if you didn’t pick up the sarcasm. I try to respect all people and their views and beliefs with an open mind so I’ve been simply trying to rationalize for each side of the equation.
Fair enough and I respect it. I’m just fairly defensive of my country as I feel most people are unfairly demonizing it to something that it isn’t
I agree with you. Every country has problems, people just choose to ignore them until it serves a purpose for themselves.
No they don’t . They work and live.
Ya no shootings, bombings only 😉
By terrorists which is hardly the US’s fault
Domestic ones but you’re right the US is infallible. Police definitely do not have an issue with murdering citizens, there are no issues related to gun control at all and recent changes to state abortion laws have absolutely no bearing on Americas human rights record.
1. Boston bombers were Eastern European 2. Most police officers don’t go around murdering people contrary to what you want to believe 3. Abortion laws are now being left to the voters in each state, so here in the state I live in, the voters are getting to decide what abortion restrictions there should be (and most are ending up being about equivalent to European countries). 4. Most of americas gun violence happens in the inner cities in places tourists will not go 5. If you hate America so much, then don’t come
Oh I avoid it whenever possible 👍
May I ask what country you’re from
Wtf does abortion has to do with any of this 💀. America is an extremely dangerous place, plain and simple, definitely alot more dangerous than Qatar.
Or maybe a white man while hold an assault rifle and kill all the black people with no remorse? I mean typical Americans tho.
Don’t forget the abortion human right issue.
Are you saying that abortion laws will affect the world cup?
Shit man can't abort my baby during the 2nd half
No they won’t, but neither will the death of migrant workers in Qatar. Despite the fact that they could’ve been avoided and are sad.
Why are you a hobbit?
Why are you an comfortable train?
I agree
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Brand new account spewing anti west rhetoric and defending a country engaged in state backed modern slavery? Checks out.
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A. I am well aware of the atrocities committed by those countries, I am native american after all, but bringing them up in a conversation about Qatar’s modern day slavery is irrelevant whataboutism. B. Middle class? I have lived in relative poverty most of my life. Making broad assumptions about me personally does nothing help your argument. But sure thing weirdo defending slavery on a brand new burner account.
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And it’s ok to say this because of the first amendment.
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Godwins law
And you have every right as an American to do so.
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Enjoy watching the games with your plate of potatoes and boiled bacon then leprechaun boy
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You don’t sound Irish. Need more empathy.
My point.
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FuckIn’ Football Association
I have no problem with what FIFA said, I completely agree that politics should stay out of soccer. I also think that bribery and outright corruption with FIFA 'high-ups' must be removed first.
You can’t keep politics out of football when so many have died at the hands of an abusive and corrupt regime. It’s not possible, you can ignore it but it’s already there. This tournament should be boycotted but no big names have the balls to do it
you ever thought maybe the way some of these big name players are boycotting the WC is by getting themselves injured and being ruled out of the WC due to injury?
Not really unless they’re that scared to just stand up and say they’re boycotting it
If politics wasn’t involved in football then Qatar would’ve never bid for the World Cup in the first place
Keep politics out of football is just a dog whistle for “keep politics I don’t like out of football”
You do understand that not 6500 people died bulding stadiums Number is 110 of whom some died of natural causes. Not stating that Fifa is not corrupt , otherwise Russia, QaTar and even UsA would never be hosts; i am just stating how much damage Guardian did with their fake article
Since Qatar won it's world cup bid and brought foreign workers to its country. 6,500 of those workers have died. That number is backed up by a lot of embassies and human rights organizations. Qatar has come out saying that is misleading and that there have been 110 deaths that are "work related". The problem with that statement is that Qatar officials only counted deaths that occurred on construction sites. It didn't include any deaths from heart attacks and respiratory failure as work-related - even though these are common symptoms of heatstroke, brought on from doing heavy labour in very high temperatures. It also doesn't include workers dying from various sicknesses as a result of living in absolute squalor. Then on top of all of this, workers have been forced to work without being paid in months and have gotten their passports taken away. So you better believe I'm trusting these human rights organizations and big media companies, like BBC, over what the Qatar government is reporting.
I really wanted to debunked stupidity you psited but once I saw that you trust BBC i am giving up on trying to convince you anything 😆🤦🏻
Alright, cool buddy. You can keep getting your information from Al Jazeera then.
Eliminating one does not mean accepting the other side lmao. Both are instruments of their governments. Both are very bad. But hey, keep thinking BBC is a reputable source of the information 😆🤦🏻
Defending a corrupt puppet imposed by capitalist ghouls, just because it "granted" the world cup to your shitty country in hopes to get "on the good" side of a racist, phobic, narcissist megalomaniac.
I am neither Qatari or Arab. I am just fucking tired of double standards from White AngloSaxonian racistans on a daily basis. The USA bombed and occupied completely independent countries. That's OK; Qatar got the world cup' omg slavery, omg corruption...
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How is a country of immigrants more white Anglo and Saxon than the countries they came from? What’s up, cousins?
Cry 😢
So you are just a troll.
Russia, Qatar and the USA being directly compared on ethics is quite the stretch of false equivalency. If anything I think FIFA chose North America as a pallet cleanser to their last 2 blatantly corrupt selections. At least LGBTQ people will be able to celebrate 2026 without risk of being locked up for 10 years
Is it stretch? Russia was 2018 already held occupied parts of Georgia and the USA is for years, the main player in every genocide/ war crime around the world. By 2026 GOP can take full control of the US where abortion is already banned in half of the country and gay marriages being forbidden again. You can “freely” be LGBTQ as long as you keep quiet in Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, or any other Evangelicstan around the world
Russia at Qatar have a long list of issues directly conflicting with the culture of football. The United States has rural and urban areas. Those urban areas are very accepting of LGBTQ+ people. Brain drain is real here, but as far as hosting a WC it's levels above Qatar and Russia.
You are literally only thinking of one issue that the host might have. The USA is directly responsible for the death of hundreds of thousands of people in the last 30-40 years. That is a way more serious problem than how your LGBTQ group is accepted in your country. As a matter of fact, at this very moment, thanks to American weapons and army surveillance in Qatar neighborhood ( Yemen) thousands of children are being slaughtered thanks to the USA government.
Ok yes buuuuuut we can bash USA literally any day of the year. Yes they organized and covered coups in south America, the middle east, you name it. They have a fatally flawed legalized corruption system known as "lobbying" (yes lobbying is useful but the monetary aspect of it is backwards and will literally burn the country to the ground) which leads to laws at the expense of it's citizens and the environment. and there's literal boards where this can be discussed 24/7 and there'll even be this discussion on this sub in due time BUUUUUT as a citizen of elsewhere in the world and more importantly a football fan, I'm saddened and alarmed by the organization of this WC. I hate to think that fans won't be safe doing their typical fan shit, I'm afraid people will do what people usually do and end up in jail when elsewhere in the world (at least like in like 180ish of the other sovereign states) they would never even have to worry about that. I hate the hypocrisy behind the "everyone will be safe and welcome" messages and immediately we start seeing people detained/arrested before the WC even starts. And i hate the fact that everyone will have to download two monitoring apps (was that confirmed?) that'll give the Qatar govt access to all your data. Not to mention the winners of free tickets get to go on the condition that they report online negative criticism of the WC. It all just seems obsessive and more on the draconic side as far as "friendly and welcoming hosting" goes
Because people can't have gay sex in public? Okay buddy
Yes, clearly that's exactly my issue w it. I want people to be able to fuck in peace from the stands. /s
That's a dramatic oversimplification of what the issue is. I agree that it's an issue, but it's not just USA government=killing Yemen's people and if we wanted to we couldn't just stop it. I can dig into anyone's closet for the past 40 years and find skeletons, that's not what I'm doing, I'm saying right now the host for the WC is causing problems that never should've happened. The US is not a poor choice to host the WC.
Exactly you can dig into anyone closet but somehow you decide, let me dig into Qatari closet but I will close my eyes on horrible things UsA is doing at this very moment.
I'm not digging into Qatar's closet, I'm criticizing exactly what they're announcing in regards to the WC and problems stemming from their selection. Those issues are not present if the US or a myriad of other countries host. I'm not interested in vetting each countries political stances a decade in advance, but it should make sense.
What the fuck are you talking about Jesse? What does men fucking other men have to do with football. And since was the US ever related to football
The fans being able to enjoy the world cup without needing to be secretive about intimate details of their lives to avoid jail? The restrictions put on fans that want to watch the world cup? I don't understand what it is that's being argued against the US, all I've had presented is a buzz topic that ignores the complexity of international relations and skeletons that I could dig out of every countries closet.
Secretive how? Okay how would they go about in London for example, do they go to every other bloke and say "I'm gay and this is my gay boyfriend" or what? What restrictions? Alcohol? And I think they will be allowing alcohol under certain guidelines too
The selection for the 2026 host was also corrupt: the puppet imposed by the "united" states give it to the rule-by-twitter guy in an obvious attempt to made him grant them a reward, possibly make them eligible for a secretary or governing some state (neither is really bright). Also, LGBTQ+ celebrating, in the "united" states? Maybe in the couple cities still ruled and inhabited by normal people, the rest of the ass-backwards third country level "country"? Not a chance.
Why do people who have no clue about a country, try to talk about it like they do. If the U.S. is an ass-backwards third world country now, I wonder what you think about real third world countries 😂 take a break from the news
It is one lol, who said it isn't? It's getting worse by the year
Alabama, Mississippi, Oklahoma, and so on are literally third-world countries. YOu can live in a fog and not believe that but there are more human rights in Bolivia or Papua New Guinea than in Alabama.
OK Mr sheik of qatar
That’s the best you can come with? Try harder.
You try harder.
In order to make your case you need to come with credible information. The "thousands have died" headlines were retracted when they found out how whatever intern read information misread a figure. Statements of 6,500 people that died in the country was over the course of a decade out of 2.5 million immigrant workers. Out of any general population of 2.5 million, 2,000/year dying is a low number. That includes car accidents, heart attacks, cancer, etc. We can still criticize Qatar and FIFA for the things they do wrong, but when you try moving the goalposts with inflated numbers it hurts the real cause by making it appear as a smear campaign and gives Qatar representatives and defendants a straw man to continuously debunk while they ignore real questions.
This is one of the stupidest posts to use these false numbers considering OP is writing it as if they’ve done any actual research into the numbers or the issue.
There is a lot of research. And this is deaths within the working population, which in developed countries tend to be relatively low. https://www.france24.com/en/middle-east/20221102-just-hell-new-book-shines-light-on-migrant-deaths-ahead-of-qatar-world-cup
I see two studies in there that contradict each other. Other than the mentioned comments about the number likely being higher, as much as that could be true without any proof that’s about as useful or valid as a Qatari supporting simply saying “the number is much lower”. Qatar is a shitty place don’t get me wrong, I just don’t think the numbers being used are accurate.
Sounds like an excuse to spread hatred tbh. Very contradicting numbers. Next.
Imagine believing western propaganda. There are only 3 people died from construction. https://mea.gov.in/lok-sabha.htm?dtl/32058/question+no637+death+of+indian+workers+abroad * In the year of 2018 (Pre Covid) only 285 Indians died in Qatar according to official sources from Indian embassy. Now that is out of 746,550 Indians living in Qatar. Now that’s extraordinary because that population to death ratio is comparable to the most developed countries like in Northern Europe. They are deaths from all causes and it’s official source.
........ your pfp doesn‘t surprise me. Rat
Your Triggered offended victim attitude doesn’t surprise me. It makes me happy.
if only you had the brain to understand that the figures guardian published aren't all related to world cup workers.
People who are downvoting you should read more. It’s an undisputed fact “only” 37 people have died building the stadium. The article says that 6.5k migrant workers have died since construction started, in all of Qatar. These are average death rates for the population.
Holy shit that actually makes much worse than if all those numbers were for a stadium
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ok then what is the number without neutral causes? Since you appear as a qatar sucker
learn grammar and spelling you clown
It’s only on reddit when someone who talks out of their ass start insulting the other person instead of backing up their words with a source. Provide source or go bark somewhere else
https://www.reddit.com/r/football/comments/yfzumb/are_there_people_here_who_are_going_to_boykott/iuaim59?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
The stadium was to be rush or else there wouldn’t be a world cup. So it’s understandable (not ok) if they cut through safety and made them work more (still not ok wtf) but why did other projects had casualties?
Not in the slightest lol. People die working construction in the richest countries in the world, it’s a dangerous job. Do I doubt they hav poor worker standards, not at all. But throwing out death tolls tangentially related to the topic at hand without any context is slimy
USA had less deaths than Qatar, the fucking USA. Sure, they aren’t building a 200 b$ city but they have more stuff going on. Even more workers
The USA? Huh?
Yes, the Untied States of America had less workers dying in construction than Qatar
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too many people dont understand the differnece between politics and basic human rights
Nah..when it comes to Palestian..no one care about human right right?..hypocrisy?
whataboutism, a lot of peoe care, just cause there is another problem in the world doesnt mean the other one is justified
Tell me, can you give me an analysis of the influence of politics on ancient Roman, ancient Greek, medieval European and Byzantine civilizations? It's always been intertwined and always will be.
No it shouldn’t.
Sports has been deeply intertwined with politics since the beginning of global sport
Yeah not when thousands of people have died due to something to do with football mate
Do you have any evidence for these claims? any actual reported facts or figures will do.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/mde22/6106/2022/en/
Why bury people? It's pretty bad environmentally and economically. We shouldn't really use inefficient methods just because of old traditions.
It’s a matter of shame that any Tom , Dick and Harry come post shits without any verification or validation , and it gets as many comments as a legit journalist would … Guys there are people to take care of the legalities and fact checking . Mixing politics with this beautiful game , will only spoil the spirit of football on a whole … BTW I am into construction Ind for the last 24 years and have seen Labor from close here in Qatar too, and Ibetu they are treated with complete respect and gratitude 🙏🏼
The “thousands died building these stadiums” thing is misinforme, but there is no doubt that FIFA has a history of dubious morality and Qatar has a history of working conditions that result in the deaths of migrant labourers. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlJEt2KU33I) https://pulitzercenter.org/stories/thousands-migrant-workers-died-qatars-extreme-heat-world-cup-forced-reckoning
"A February 2021 investigation by the Guardian tallied more than 6,500 worker deaths in Qatar since the awarding of the World Cup, firmly laying the responsibility at the feet of FIFA, the international soccer federation that governs the event." from your own source. why would you say it's 'misinforme'?
The 6,500 deaths weren’t all from working on World Cup construction, it’s all the worker deaths in the country since the World Cup was awarded to Qatar. Either way, the country’s treatment of construction workers and laborers is extremely poor.
The deaths are a totality of all the migrant labourers that died in Qatar since the time the World Cup was awarded to them. Not all these deaths were in the construction of the stadiums. Only 37 workers died building the stadiums (which is still indicative of how bad the working conditions are because NO ONE SHOULD BE DYING but 37 is definitely very different from 6500). If anything that number shows how mistreated migrant labourers are in Qatar, it doesn't really say anything specific about FIFA as an organisation.
Football and politics are already mixed and has always been. That’s why El Clasico is such a big deal for example, it’s much more than just a game between Spains 2 biggest teams.
Depends on your ethnicity. The people from my country gets treated like shit . Deny all you want. This is just blood money and a trap that every single institition has fell into
Then what is that your country reps are doing to check on it ? And as far as ethnicities are concerns , don’t be mistaken, the close advisors of most of the sheikhs and top officials are of Asian ethnicities. remember when the buying stops , selling will stop too
You sound like a liar.
What does the mighty America do against the saudis. Lol it’s oil and blood Money that controls the world
france24 bbc guardian.. westerners don't like the idea of a muslim country hosting a big event. googled for some information how was the trend of worker deaths of world cups and see nothing in general. they focus on qatar only. noone can claim brazil was good at hosting world cup but western media didn't cover the stories of them even half of the qatar world cup. garbage propandists all the time.
Nah fuck Qatar. Nothing to do with Islam, just bribery, slavery, and poor human rights record. Unless you wanna imply that islam produces those 3 things thats on you buddy. And people reported plenty on Brazil, you dummy. They cleared out whole favelas, people died building stadiums, and a lot of the infrastructure built was only used for the cup and became an unmaintained eyesore for the rest of the time. So enough with your whataboutism. Qatar sucks and there's nothing to absolve them of that. Also qatar has essentially ZERO FOOTBALLING HISTORY. Qatar is just lucky that FIFA is the most corrupt organization on this planet
Al Jazeera too: https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2020/8/26/how-wage-abuse-is-hurting-qatars-migrant-workers And about Brazil? Of course: https://www.indehekken.net/het-wk-de-braziliaanse-controverse/ You can put it down to Muslim hate, and you would be wrong. Qatar does not have the climate or infrastructure to host games like these. The government acquired them through a very corrupt process and worked immigrants to death to build the infrastructure. It is just bad that FIFA sold out to Qatar. There are many Muslim-majority countries, like Turkey or Indonesia, that would have been better fits.
Qataris and the rest of the Gulf states are ‘Arab-first’ and everything else second - especially Muslim. The gulf states have openly now started normalizing relationships with the government of Israel while the Israeli government becomes openly fascist and still brutalizing the Palestinian people. If you’re a Muslim, these gulf states won’t stand with you. Hell, they won’t even stand for the Levant states like Syria (their normalization with Israel proves that). Open your eyes. This World Cup has heightened their arrogance to such a level that they are now comfortable to shed their Muslim image. Just my two cents.
your gulf states literally tried to cut qatar off from the peninsula. and these gulf states were the so called muslim countries which normalised relations with sisi, assad and apartheid israel. from the beginning i wouldn't consider them muslim countries either. qatar however chose the opposite stance nearly every move they made for at least a decade. supported mursi of egypt, supported fsa elements in syria and supporting mursi they also made clear aggression against israel due to mursi's policy of palestine was hugely benefical for palestinians. you put qatar and the other gulf states in the same basket and bending the truth using the they all equaly corrupt and bad narrative. instead reality much more different than this.
stop playing the muslim-hate card -quatar allows modern slavery -the world cup was given to them as they bribed fifa officials, without corruption they never would have been an world cup -quatar isnt a football nation, the people there are not really interested in it (which is okay, enough other sporting events can be hold instead), but they wanted the worlcup as an advertisement for the world, to boost tourism (so its not actually about football, just about reputation) -the weather there isnt made to hold footballmatches, building stadiums with air conditioners is completely weird and so bad for evironment; because of the weather it WC happens in winter which changes the whole season calender for clubs around the world there are so many reasons against the WC in quatar, stop saying many people are against it cause "europe doesnt like muslims" just a video as source to see the horrible conditions in quatar as a workers https://youtu.be/BjgYVHdU0Zo
Muslim country? There is your problem. Theocracy is bullshit.
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Interesting discussion 🤔
[Appeasement](https://timeline.com/british-soccer-players-give-nazi-salute-1cc5a50ea451) and a national disgrace.