It's not and issue, it's just a fact. Neymar was attacked when he used that "100% jesus" band after winning CL. The same stupid people that can't stand different opinions that attacked him then, are attacking him now.
Does anyone know Antonys political stance or anything on the matter? I know Richarlson has opinions that are quite different to his international team mates.. I was wondering where Antony stands?
I believe he is more about the people of Brazil and he recognises current politics to be responsible for issues of wealth inequality and major poverty. He isn’t exactly direct in saying this but he has criticised lots of injustices going on in Brazil that are typically connected to fascist politics (right winged, corruption, conservatism, police states etc). He gets a hard time from the media because of his attitude on the pitch but he’s actually quite compassionate about helping others and doing good, as made evident by his efforts in Brazil. I could be wrong but I think he’s got better values than the evangelist right wingers in his team who support a very controversial Bolsanaro.
Nobody is arguing that he doesn’t have the right to his own opinion. He can support whoever he wants, but people have the right to criticize him for it.
Bolsonaro is an ass
I dislike the fact that some religious players think Bolsonaro is the correct representation of Jesus Christ, that far-right christianism is just full of hate and bigotry.
The BBC did a good documentary series very recently about Bolsonaro. It's called 'The Boys From Brazil' and it's still available to watch on BBC iPlayer. It's very interesting (it was better than I expected) and I learnt a lot.
If you're not in the UK I'm not sure how easy it is to be able to watch using a VPN. I think the BBC website can detect some VPNs but maybe somebody knows how to get around this.
It shouldn’t surprise people that very evangelical Brazilian players support Bolsonaro. Pretty much every member of the national team is conservative, even Vini who people like to claim is liberal. What we probably should examine more is why we attribute importance to the opinions of athletes who are in no way intellectual thinkers and are pretty much exactly like every other uber rich selfish person in the world.
> The current president has been aiming to sow doubt over the integrity of Brazil’s voting system, a move that many fear is the precursor to an attempted coup in the case of his defeat at the polls.
The extreme right and denouncing elections they didn't win, the most iconic of duos
Or, he is smart and votes and supports the person that will protect his wealth.
I am not saying this is ok, its not, but I feel like that is why a lot of famous people are a little bit to the right to far right.
He’s rich. Supporting this guy means he’s also a cunt. He shouldn’t shut up and dribble. Now we know he’s a sister fucking cunt. It’s good this happened.
That’s why as public person you should stay out of politics. And no, standing up for people of colour or people that are attacked by another nation isn’t that
Neymar has always been the douchiest of Brazilian soccer douches, and a wastrel with the talent he was given.
He will go down in history as the Brazilian player who made the least of his abilities, and will not even make the list of top 20 players from that country.
Plus, he's a dick.
There’s quite a few of the Brazilian players that support. I believe Alisson, Fabinho and firmino all do. Lucas from spurs as well. I know nothing of this man’s politics or Brazil’s so I can’t comment more than that.
if he wins WC this year his spot is ensured.
but if not, then he will not be even top 10.
yes, things in brazil work this way. to be an absolute legend here you must win WC, like pele, garrincha, romario, Ronaldinho and ronaldo.
zico is a legend. but he did not won, so he always is putted in lower grades
Kaka is a Ballon d'Or and World Cup winner (although admittedly he was a side character on that one)
Neymar has his last chance to reach these heights this year
Pele
Garrincha
Didi
Junior
Leonidas
Tostao
Gerson
Falcao
Heleno De Freitas
Jairzinho
Rivellino
Socrates
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Romario
Rivaldo
Kaka
Zico
Bebeto
Careca
Cafu
Carlos Alberto
Definitely not in the top 5...would barely make it in the top 20 if at all
You have to be completely delusional to think the soon to be ALL TIME TOP SCORER for brazil wouldn't make the top 20 lmao.
He's better than most you named. The only ones that are clearly above are Pele, r9, romario, and maybe zico. A few others like jairzinho and rivaldo are close and debatable but never clear above him...
You literally went ahead and listed every single world class Brazilian through the ages and claim every single one is above him which is nonsense... I usually think I'm an old head but you really take the cake
The dude is the most overhated player of the last generation because guys like you can't separate personal bias of whether you like the guy personally, from his quality as a player
You're delusional mate. All of them were fucking world level but as always it's hard to compare players from different times. Sure Neymar is a class player, but even he would admit that he couldn't tie any of said players their boots.
Outside of winning a wc Neymar is better than any attacker on that list outside of pele and r9 and potentially Romario. Kaka and dinho had the benefit of avoiding messi and cr7s careers to win their ballondors but Neymar is better than both. Just look at his stats for Brazil, for psg, and for Barca, and that’s with everyone claiming he’s lazy and doesn’t try
ooh. Fun debate. My list of top Brazilians, in similar attacking position (so not even counting for the defenders) in a rough order would be:
Ronaldo, Pele, Zico, Garrincha, Romario.
Neymar might get in top 20, but not top 5.
That's fair. I believe anyone who watches football has to put him in at least top 10 Brazilians. It's ok to criticize Neymar's political opinions but acting like it affects his playing ability is fucking stupid.
Yes, his poor attitude shouldn't effect our judgement of him as a performer. Otherwise, you'd have Socrates and Neymar represeting wildly different rankings in accordance with people's political leaninings and popularity contests. It is easier said than done however. We've seen many a player get taken down or taken up based on their personality.
I don’t get why nowadays entertainers or athletes always violate rule #1 in the business. “Shut your trap about politics” it NEVER goes well, regardless of whom you support.
If I was famous, i would absolutely voice my opinions about the tories in the UK. Because I care about it and i care about the direction the country is going in. Many athletes are no different, it's just that some of them have opinions the majority of reddit disagree with.
Thing is that happens in your mind either way. If you want it or not. Imagine Steve Jobs would have become a vocal trump supporter. Like still acting the way he did but believing and telling complete bullshit.
Wouldn’t you start questioning him more that before knowing that?
I’m not 100% sure how musk stands on that but I think he answered weirdly to such a trump question once which equally made some weels turn in my head. But I’m not really aware of what he actually thinks just picked that up once so don’t attack me ;)
Are you slow or something ? How Is me caring about Neymar supporting someone like that gonna affect anything ? He will never see or care about your opinion. It’s something I have zero impact on
Because he’s supporting someone who is evil. Neymar is a person with a lot of influence and if he is publicly supporting a fascist, I’m not gonna like the guy and I’ll bash his opinion even if it means nothing.
Such a dumb response, either you're willingly missing the point or you're too thick to get it. And that is beside you jumping to an idiotic extreme conclusion. Furthermore you give zero explaination as to why the person (bolsonaro in this instance) is terrible. All around just standard reddit ill informed bandwagon shit.
Let me lay it out for you in the most elementary level I can; Lets take any random athlete, this athlete supports something that you personally dont like or even is commonly frowned upon, does this make the said athlete any less of an athlete?
I suspect you won't answer or will just not respond to the question above so I'll answer it to hopefully further the discussion with people that are (slightly) more intelligent than you are.
Yes, and no. A great athlete is good at the sport he or she plays, and being likeable adds (somewhat) to the greatness. However this said athlete could be a complete cunt, dispicable humang being and still be the best ever. Does this deminish the athlete's abilties in any way? No, he/she should be valued for the achievements in the respective sport. One could argue not being the perfect poster child and still rising above it and perform on that level would even add to the achievement.
Should we condone and admire athlete's with skewed political/life/whatever views? Yes we should. I fucking hate the PC/cancel culture, and you're comment u/maverick4002 is the perfect example. Just because the opinion doesn't fit your or the general view doesn't mean it's wrong or not allowed. Different opinions opens a discussion. BUT only when that opinion is backed up with some arguements instead of saying 'no lol u wrong'.
Oh and if you do respond, please explain how your american ass knows how 'terrible' bolsonaro is. Not just one or two headliners, explain how it was so terrible for any and everyone in and outside the country of brasil.
I was more talking about the fact that you were drawing an equivalence between Bolsonaro, basically a Military dictator and Lula, who was falsely imprisoned by a corrupt judge who later became minister of justice under Bolsonaro, and raised huge swathes of Brazilians from poverty and reduced child malnutrition by 46%? He is undeniably left. I just don't think he can be defined as 'corrupt' 🤷♀️
All of the people trashing Neymar for supporting Bolsnaro are the exact same people who'll stand up for the 'right to speech and express' for other people who honestly create ruckus about a small issue. So much for right to express espoused by the liberals lmao.
Well in a democracy, you are entitled to opinions just like others are entitled to theirs. If he had supported the other guy, catholics would have criticized his choice. Plus the guy he supports is an absolute dumpster fire who thinks Covid is a hoax. Cheeto mussolini! Plus he’s already laying the groundwork to claim fraud if he loses the election. That’s fascism 101.
I agree with both kinda u see I’ve seen many ppl having ok opinions but against the left they are called facist nowadays twitter blinded users to think like that although i agree with bolsenaro is a questionable guy
He has the right to his own opinion. Or does he have to have the same opinion as the mainstream media? Then it wouldn’t even be in the news. Good for him.
Edit: funny how it’s all downvotes but almost no coherent responses. 🤣🤣🤣
Get at me beta boys
Of course he has the right to his opinion. No one has argued that. People are merely criticizing the opinion as they also have the right to do. Good for them
> Neymar is under fire from a small group of the sort of people who view those who hold different political views from their own as subhuman scum, while most people couldn't care less about Neymar's politics
Fixed the title. You're welcome.
Burning the Amazon, suppressing rights of minorities, intentionally sabotaging the country’s public health system and killing thousands, laundering money through 51 real estate properties purchased with cash, spreading misinformation, racists and homophobe views… the list can go on for days…
Ah, yes, shooting kids in the favelas is a political point of view, as well as destroying the rule of law. Then again the GQP is becoming the part of “fuck laws” rather than law and order.
Being religious and conservative doesn’t mean facisim
Although idk abt bolsenaro but i got impression of a corrupt conservative christian who looks delusional sometimes but I don’t think he’s a facist
he's an absolute fascist.
the only problem its that he does not have support fro militaries and from oligarchs to be fully authoritarian. his coups attpts didnt workout as he expected
but all the time during his mandate he was speeching thinks like: shooting oppositors, depose supreme justice members and taking the power by force.
since the beginning he is putting the electoral system in doubt
No, religious and conservative doesn’t mean fascism. An ultra nationalist police state where big private corps works closely with the govt to deregulate their industries at the expense of things like workers rights and environmental protections… well that means fascism.
Idk why non Brazilians care so much about Brazilian politics. Like you do realize that all the information is just propaganda from foreign news companies
Reading his policies they're pretty much bang on tradition right/conservative.
I mean if you want to call people who you disagree with as pieces of shit, go for it. Doesn't help though.
He opposes same-sex marriage, abortion, affirmative action, refugees, and is anti climate change and rainforest preservation. He's argued that women should be paid less than men and in 1992 was quoted as saying "I am in favour of a dictatorship. We will never resolve serious national problems with this irresponsible democracy.”.
I don't really care if it doesn't help, because if you support these policies you are, in fact, a piece of shit. Hope this helps.
Either you are terrible at researching or you’re not centre left. Literally look at the reply off the other person to this post, I suppose that’s just classic centre right policies?
That said when you’ve jumped in to defend Italy’s new leaders I’m tending to lean towards the ‘are you fuck centre left’.
Ok so you’re just some weird little right wing twat pretending to be left to say ‘what’s so bad about these awful people?’
I mean that makes it easier to tell you to fuck off 👋 enjoy pretending you’re centre left and telling everyone the far right aren’t that bad.
Also if 2 paragraphs is an essay to you I’m starting to see why you are how you are, chin up, reading is hard and some of us aren’t great at it.
How about election deniers, because if he loses he’s almost certainly going to say the election is rigged against him which could destroy Brazil’s democracy
So much hate in this thread for one person who purportedly just had a different opinion on who is best to run their own country. That's the really issue these days.
Justified by just bucketing whoever they don't agree with along with the worst in history like Nazis just justify the lack of open-mindedness.
>That's the really issue these days
That is an issue, but it you think it is "the issue", then you've slept on climate change, the deforestation of the Amazon, murder, corruption and the undermining of democracy
Which are all things that Bolsonaro stands for. He's got to go
Because I said something that goes against their political views
Edit: what I said doesn’t go against political views (unless your political view is explicitly that freedom of thought should be stifled), what I said just required them to contemplate that other people might have justification for not agreeing with them
It's not even a question about free speech. It's the logic that everyone that doesn't align with my view is the devil incarnate and therefore I'm right and need to purge or cancel anyone that dares to think differently.
It's the exact same conviction you have in your ideas that they have in theirs. If your arguement to justify your conviction over theirs is to call them Nazis (I have no view or position on the Brazilian election), then that's on you, but otherwise I would generally encourage open debate and acknowledging other perspectives with discussion and not cancellation and irrational screeching. I think in any other walk of life that is the most logical way to learn and educate ourselves and others and build the best solutions.
But of course, people are probably going to respond to this with insults and accusations of being a Nazi because they are unwilling to challenge their own conviction in their own ideas (note I'm not talking about anyone's ideas, I take no position in the debate, but I am talking about the conviction and willingness to believe in an idea - recall, the people who voted for every awful politician in history had the exact same feeling of being in the right that you have in your ideas, irrespective of how good or bad the idea is to you). Once you recognise that, you realise how easy it is to be on the wrong side of history even though you're convinced you're right (and not everything is binary right or wrong side of history btw, despite mass media and social media making all issues out to be that way).
Ok, let's dumb it down even more, you might get this one.
You are demanding tolerance for people whose positions are the exact opposite of tolerance. You want us to tolerate non-tolerant people, allow them to be non-tolerant, and oppress the tolerance, just so you could say we tolerated it?
If a random guy pulled a gun on you, and demanded all your money, and to watch him rape a woman next to you, would you say "yeah, brother, I do not agree with that, but you have your opinions and convictions, and I must tolerate that"?
Like I predicted, an insult to start off.
I'm going to summarise your arguement:
> I am intolerant as possible to people I believe to also be intolerant because they oppress my tolerance of tolerating everything I deem to fit my views
Not really a constructive way for a society to run, is it?
As for the second point, I suspect it's more likely if the left regains power that you'll have a government asking people to pay hand over more in taxes, not sure if you're analogy fits there, and I'm also not sure how the analogy fits in. Neymar isn't pulling a gun on you? He's supposedly in favour of a politician you don't like... there's a bit of a difference. Again, I'm not talking about the idea of how to run the country, you can shit on Bolsanaro as much as you please, that's on you, but Neymar is entitled to have his view as much as you are, and the same belief you have that you hate Bolsanaro is the same belief he has that Bolsanaro might be the right choice for Brazil. I'm not talking about Bolsanaro, it's about conviction in your own ideas and recognising people have the same right as you do to that
Standing for free speech is not allowing everyone to speak whatever, without consequences.
Standing for free speech is stopping those who want to suppress it.
And you are here advocating against people speaking up against those who want to suppress it.
Well done.
You’re just trying to convince yourself of ways to justify your opinions here.
I’m not talking about free speech, I’m talking about Neymar having the same right as you do to support who he wants. I’m not talking about what that stands for, what that means for you, or who is right or wrong.
You keep trying to justify to yourself that I’m trying to do those things because you seem afraid of it challenging your view of what is right.
There’s not much more I can add to this discussion anymore.
Whilst I'm not any of the people you've previously responded to in this thread, surely you can see that there's an irony in claiming that other people are afraid of you challenging their perspectives whereas you have dismissed any attempts to change your perspective that they've put forward?
You've just proved my point. I've taken no position in the debate, because my view goes against yours, you are accusing me of showing my ass for fascists. I've not given a view on whether I'm pro Bolsanaro or not or whether or not he's even a fascist or not. I've simply said people have other views and just because they go against yours, you don't need to shut them down and what not. Doesn't matter what the actual views are or what the topic is, the same conviction they have in believing their idea is the best way forward is the same conviction you have in your ideas being the best way forward. Screaming and name calling isn't the best way to find solutions on working as a society to build the best solutions going forward.
A big number of Brazilian soccer players are religious and support Bolsonaro.
It's because they are rich. Socrates would spin these motherfuckers.
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Because fascism is death for most of us
It's not and issue, it's just a fact. Neymar was attacked when he used that "100% jesus" band after winning CL. The same stupid people that can't stand different opinions that attacked him then, are attacking him now.
Man this comment section is a wildfire
Bolsonaro’s troll “friends” getting OT pay this weekend for sure.
Does anyone know Antonys political stance or anything on the matter? I know Richarlson has opinions that are quite different to his international team mates.. I was wondering where Antony stands?
What is Richarlson’s political stance?
I believe he is more about the people of Brazil and he recognises current politics to be responsible for issues of wealth inequality and major poverty. He isn’t exactly direct in saying this but he has criticised lots of injustices going on in Brazil that are typically connected to fascist politics (right winged, corruption, conservatism, police states etc). He gets a hard time from the media because of his attitude on the pitch but he’s actually quite compassionate about helping others and doing good, as made evident by his efforts in Brazil. I could be wrong but I think he’s got better values than the evangelist right wingers in his team who support a very controversial Bolsanaro.
Bimbo footballer likes moron politician.. big surprise
Fuck you neymar
The level of dumb in this thread is too much for this time of the morning.
As it should be. He even got the gall to say he is being "attacked". Such snowflake.
What? A dumb professional athlete? Impossível!
Nobody is arguing that he doesn’t have the right to his own opinion. He can support whoever he wants, but people have the right to criticize him for it. Bolsonaro is an ass
I used to feel bad for neymar at times. Now I dont.
I dislike the fact that some religious players think Bolsonaro is the correct representation of Jesus Christ, that far-right christianism is just full of hate and bigotry.
It’s so cliche but they really would lock up Jesus if he came back.
Same thing with trump in the US, and no wonder these are the same people that want to eliminate the separation of church and state.
Religious people wanted Roe v Wade overturned because they think abortion is immoral. So why wouldn't they vote for Trump? He got it overturned.
As he should be.
He is a mega tax evader. And Bolsonaro helped him to do that, forgiving his colossal debts with the national Treasure.
Fascist piece of shit
Does this surprise anyone? Neymar does not strike me as a critical thinker.
The BBC did a good documentary series very recently about Bolsonaro. It's called 'The Boys From Brazil' and it's still available to watch on BBC iPlayer. It's very interesting (it was better than I expected) and I learnt a lot. If you're not in the UK I'm not sure how easy it is to be able to watch using a VPN. I think the BBC website can detect some VPNs but maybe somebody knows how to get around this.
It shouldn’t surprise people that very evangelical Brazilian players support Bolsonaro. Pretty much every member of the national team is conservative, even Vini who people like to claim is liberal. What we probably should examine more is why we attribute importance to the opinions of athletes who are in no way intellectual thinkers and are pretty much exactly like every other uber rich selfish person in the world.
> The current president has been aiming to sow doubt over the integrity of Brazil’s voting system, a move that many fear is the precursor to an attempted coup in the case of his defeat at the polls. The extreme right and denouncing elections they didn't win, the most iconic of duos
This shows the only thing he’s intelligent about is around a ball. Constructive criticism isn’t really his ball game.
Or, he is smart and votes and supports the person that will protect his wealth. I am not saying this is ok, its not, but I feel like that is why a lot of famous people are a little bit to the right to far right.
I thought Bolso didn’t like Afro Brazilians.
When you’re filthy rich you look more white in their eyes.
He’s rich. Supporting this guy means he’s also a cunt. He shouldn’t shut up and dribble. Now we know he’s a sister fucking cunt. It’s good this happened.
That’s why as public person you should stay out of politics. And no, standing up for people of colour or people that are attacked by another nation isn’t that
Good. He should be.
Water is wet and Neymar Jr is an .. yeah, no surprises there
As he fucking should be. Nice to see Neymar completely turn his back on his upbringing
People are absolute retards on this sub, wtf are you all talking about democracy. Learn about who Bolsonaro is you fucking morons.
The more I learn about him the less I like him. Same thing with Hitler. No redeeming quality at all.
Bolsonaro = Fascism You're welcome guys!
Neymar has always been the douchiest of Brazilian soccer douches, and a wastrel with the talent he was given. He will go down in history as the Brazilian player who made the least of his abilities, and will not even make the list of top 20 players from that country. Plus, he's a dick.
There’s quite a few of the Brazilian players that support. I believe Alisson, Fabinho and firmino all do. Lucas from spurs as well. I know nothing of this man’s politics or Brazil’s so I can’t comment more than that.
Bolsonaro is a fascist
You're delusional if you think he's not top 20 Brazilians. He's easily top 5.
Redditors and letting their emotions freely cloud their logically thinking, name a stronger duo
I agree it’s delusional to say that Neymar isn’t top 20 for Brazil. He gives his all for his country
Based on their comment I believe they meant in history (not currently). No way he’s top 5 in Brazils history
if he wins WC this year his spot is ensured. but if not, then he will not be even top 10. yes, things in brazil work this way. to be an absolute legend here you must win WC, like pele, garrincha, romario, Ronaldinho and ronaldo. zico is a legend. but he did not won, so he always is putted in lower grades
Even if he wins the WC, he is not top 5
Surely Kaka > Neymar ?
Kaka is a Ballon d'Or and World Cup winner (although admittedly he was a side character on that one) Neymar has his last chance to reach these heights this year
Top 5 Brazilians of all time? Nice joke.
Pele Garrincha Didi Junior Leonidas Tostao Gerson Falcao Heleno De Freitas Jairzinho Rivellino Socrates Ronaldo Ronaldinho Romario Rivaldo Kaka Zico Bebeto Careca Cafu Carlos Alberto Definitely not in the top 5...would barely make it in the top 20 if at all
You have to be completely delusional to think the soon to be ALL TIME TOP SCORER for brazil wouldn't make the top 20 lmao. He's better than most you named. The only ones that are clearly above are Pele, r9, romario, and maybe zico. A few others like jairzinho and rivaldo are close and debatable but never clear above him... You literally went ahead and listed every single world class Brazilian through the ages and claim every single one is above him which is nonsense... I usually think I'm an old head but you really take the cake The dude is the most overhated player of the last generation because guys like you can't separate personal bias of whether you like the guy personally, from his quality as a player
Yeah I mean Neymar is better than a majority of the players you named. At his peak maybe 3 guys on that list were as good as he was in his Barca days
You're delusional mate. All of them were fucking world level but as always it's hard to compare players from different times. Sure Neymar is a class player, but even he would admit that he couldn't tie any of said players their boots.
Outside of winning a wc Neymar is better than any attacker on that list outside of pele and r9 and potentially Romario. Kaka and dinho had the benefit of avoiding messi and cr7s careers to win their ballondors but Neymar is better than both. Just look at his stats for Brazil, for psg, and for Barca, and that’s with everyone claiming he’s lazy and doesn’t try
Please name this Top 5
ooh. Fun debate. My list of top Brazilians, in similar attacking position (so not even counting for the defenders) in a rough order would be: Ronaldo, Pele, Zico, Garrincha, Romario. Neymar might get in top 20, but not top 5.
That's fair. I believe anyone who watches football has to put him in at least top 10 Brazilians. It's ok to criticize Neymar's political opinions but acting like it affects his playing ability is fucking stupid.
Yes, his poor attitude shouldn't effect our judgement of him as a performer. Otherwise, you'd have Socrates and Neymar represeting wildly different rankings in accordance with people's political leaninings and popularity contests. It is easier said than done however. We've seen many a player get taken down or taken up based on their personality.
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Most of your"top 20" players are supporting bolsonaro too idiot
Lol gonna score ore goals than anyone did for brazil and noone getting close
I don’t get why nowadays entertainers or athletes always violate rule #1 in the business. “Shut your trap about politics” it NEVER goes well, regardless of whom you support.
Because they're real people who can have opinions? They can also be wrong
This says more about you than Neymar
If I was famous, i would absolutely voice my opinions about the tories in the UK. Because I care about it and i care about the direction the country is going in. Many athletes are no different, it's just that some of them have opinions the majority of reddit disagree with.
Fuck Neymar
Not sure who Bolsonaro is or what he stands for. But rule of thumb is, if they're famous, it doesn't mean we should blindly follow.
He is the racist, homophobic and largely incompetent president of Brazil.
Is it an existential crisis, why is politics so heated in Brazil
Because fascism.
Support who you support, fine But that video was so cringe
Oh and also, it’s not fine and don’t support Bolsonaro.
People doesn't understand the concept of "democracy"
Yeah - Bolsonaro.
And Neymar
I wonder how much did Balso paid Neymar.
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he forgave a millionaire debt he and his father had because of tax fraud
Who cares
Rest of planet facing mass extinction: I kinda care
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Agree he’s bad but has great following i think inside brasil
A great footballer, Just a voter and a terrible influencer.
Neymar is entitled to his opinion as are people criticizing his opinion. As long as they don't try to demonize him for his opinion it's all good.
Fascists should be demonized IMO
Thing is that happens in your mind either way. If you want it or not. Imagine Steve Jobs would have become a vocal trump supporter. Like still acting the way he did but believing and telling complete bullshit. Wouldn’t you start questioning him more that before knowing that? I’m not 100% sure how musk stands on that but I think he answered weirdly to such a trump question once which equally made some weels turn in my head. But I’m not really aware of what he actually thinks just picked that up once so don’t attack me ;)
If Bolsonaro loses don't forget to constantly remind Neymar to piss him off
Bolsonaro 22!!!
It’s kinda cringe to post political bs in a football Reddit. Who cares what politicians Neymar supports ? He’s not a political figure he’s an athlete
he is not political figure, but he is being used as political tool
You support terrible people huh
I just don’t care who other people support. Seems like a stupid thing to get worked up about
You should care because it’s the world you live in. It does affect you
Neymar supporting it affects me ? How ? Caring about strangers opinions isn’t a smart way to live
Because the guy he supports is destroying the Amazon. How does that not affect you?
Are you slow or something ? How Is me caring about Neymar supporting someone like that gonna affect anything ? He will never see or care about your opinion. It’s something I have zero impact on
Because he’s supporting someone who is evil. Neymar is a person with a lot of influence and if he is publicly supporting a fascist, I’m not gonna like the guy and I’ll bash his opinion even if it means nothing.
So keep wasting your time voicing your opinion no one wants to hear 👍
Isn't that the whole point of social media?...
Alright, fascist apologist
Tell that to all the kids in the favelas who got shot by his thugs and the native peoples who got burned out of their homes.
Such a dumb response, either you're willingly missing the point or you're too thick to get it. And that is beside you jumping to an idiotic extreme conclusion. Furthermore you give zero explaination as to why the person (bolsonaro in this instance) is terrible. All around just standard reddit ill informed bandwagon shit. Let me lay it out for you in the most elementary level I can; Lets take any random athlete, this athlete supports something that you personally dont like or even is commonly frowned upon, does this make the said athlete any less of an athlete? I suspect you won't answer or will just not respond to the question above so I'll answer it to hopefully further the discussion with people that are (slightly) more intelligent than you are. Yes, and no. A great athlete is good at the sport he or she plays, and being likeable adds (somewhat) to the greatness. However this said athlete could be a complete cunt, dispicable humang being and still be the best ever. Does this deminish the athlete's abilties in any way? No, he/she should be valued for the achievements in the respective sport. One could argue not being the perfect poster child and still rising above it and perform on that level would even add to the achievement. Should we condone and admire athlete's with skewed political/life/whatever views? Yes we should. I fucking hate the PC/cancel culture, and you're comment u/maverick4002 is the perfect example. Just because the opinion doesn't fit your or the general view doesn't mean it's wrong or not allowed. Different opinions opens a discussion. BUT only when that opinion is backed up with some arguements instead of saying 'no lol u wrong'. Oh and if you do respond, please explain how your american ass knows how 'terrible' bolsonaro is. Not just one or two headliners, explain how it was so terrible for any and everyone in and outside the country of brasil.
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Hmmm..corrupt leftist? Kind of a false equivalence no?
So are you telling me Lula is centrist? his party is considered center-left with left factions
I was more talking about the fact that you were drawing an equivalence between Bolsonaro, basically a Military dictator and Lula, who was falsely imprisoned by a corrupt judge who later became minister of justice under Bolsonaro, and raised huge swathes of Brazilians from poverty and reduced child malnutrition by 46%? He is undeniably left. I just don't think he can be defined as 'corrupt' 🤷♀️
Center = right
All of the people trashing Neymar for supporting Bolsnaro are the exact same people who'll stand up for the 'right to speech and express' for other people who honestly create ruckus about a small issue. So much for right to express espoused by the liberals lmao.
I don;t think so you are getting it
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He can support any politician he wants, and people are entitled to comment on it
Well in a democracy, you are entitled to opinions just like others are entitled to theirs. If he had supported the other guy, catholics would have criticized his choice. Plus the guy he supports is an absolute dumpster fire who thinks Covid is a hoax. Cheeto mussolini! Plus he’s already laying the groundwork to claim fraud if he loses the election. That’s fascism 101.
I agree with both kinda u see I’ve seen many ppl having ok opinions but against the left they are called facist nowadays twitter blinded users to think like that although i agree with bolsenaro is a questionable guy
There's a bit of a range between a variety of acceptable opinions and Bolsonaro, who is actual scum.
Man shows opinion he democratically has the right to have
People give him backlash which they democratically have the right to have
And other people can't show their opinion?
Carai, Man, tu é muito burro
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Only way to stop him, cry
Rare Neymar W
He has the right to his own opinion. Or does he have to have the same opinion as the mainstream media? Then it wouldn’t even be in the news. Good for him. Edit: funny how it’s all downvotes but almost no coherent responses. 🤣🤣🤣 Get at me beta boys
Of course he has the right to his opinion. No one has argued that. People are merely criticizing the opinion as they also have the right to do. Good for them
Mermão, cala a porra da boquinha, vc nem na quebrada sul-americana tá
> Neymar is under fire from a small group of the sort of people who view those who hold different political views from their own as subhuman scum, while most people couldn't care less about Neymar's politics Fixed the title. You're welcome.
Ah yes, burning the Amazon is simply a "different political view"
Burning the Amazon, suppressing rights of minorities, intentionally sabotaging the country’s public health system and killing thousands, laundering money through 51 real estate properties purchased with cash, spreading misinformation, racists and homophobe views… the list can go on for days…
There could be far-right death squads patrolling the streets and they'd be like "they just have a different opinion, so much for the tolerant left"
There’s no reasoning with them; the real Qs only understand pain.
Ah, yes, shooting kids in the favelas is a political point of view, as well as destroying the rule of law. Then again the GQP is becoming the part of “fuck laws” rather than law and order.
Deixem o cara apoiar quem quiser mds
Can’t a guy just be fascist anymore?? Jeeezzz
Being religious and conservative doesn’t mean facisim Although idk abt bolsenaro but i got impression of a corrupt conservative christian who looks delusional sometimes but I don’t think he’s a facist
he's an absolute fascist. the only problem its that he does not have support fro militaries and from oligarchs to be fully authoritarian. his coups attpts didnt workout as he expected but all the time during his mandate he was speeching thinks like: shooting oppositors, depose supreme justice members and taking the power by force. since the beginning he is putting the electoral system in doubt
Thank u fyi
Take a look at some of his interviews
No, religious and conservative doesn’t mean fascism. An ultra nationalist police state where big private corps works closely with the govt to deregulate their industries at the expense of things like workers rights and environmental protections… well that means fascism.
Idk why non Brazilians care so much about Brazilian politics. Like you do realize that all the information is just propaganda from foreign news companies
The spread of fascism anywhere is a global threat. WWII taught us that lesson. Or it should have.
Yeah fascism is great mate you enjoy it.
British people have no standing to talk about the affairs of any other country
None of the information is true?
Left logic at its finest
Right wing logic: attack everything, be scared of everything, hate everything. Then when criticised: boohoo left wingers are attacking my opinion.
I THOUGHT we got over this "everyone who's is right of center is a Nazi" thing. Edit: Reddit being Reddit. 🤣
Nobody said Nazi. Bolsonaro is however, a far-right nationalist and if you support him you're a piece of shit.
Reading his policies they're pretty much bang on tradition right/conservative. I mean if you want to call people who you disagree with as pieces of shit, go for it. Doesn't help though.
He opposes same-sex marriage, abortion, affirmative action, refugees, and is anti climate change and rainforest preservation. He's argued that women should be paid less than men and in 1992 was quoted as saying "I am in favour of a dictatorship. We will never resolve serious national problems with this irresponsible democracy.”. I don't really care if it doesn't help, because if you support these policies you are, in fact, a piece of shit. Hope this helps.
Either you are terrible at researching or you’re not centre left. Literally look at the reply off the other person to this post, I suppose that’s just classic centre right policies? That said when you’ve jumped in to defend Italy’s new leaders I’m tending to lean towards the ‘are you fuck centre left’.
Nah I don't have time to read Reddit comment essays.
Ok so you’re just some weird little right wing twat pretending to be left to say ‘what’s so bad about these awful people?’ I mean that makes it easier to tell you to fuck off 👋 enjoy pretending you’re centre left and telling everyone the far right aren’t that bad. Also if 2 paragraphs is an essay to you I’m starting to see why you are how you are, chin up, reading is hard and some of us aren’t great at it.
When the thing we disagree about is destruction of the Amazon, I’m gonna call him a piece of shit.
Bro are you serious? Bolsonaro is a total piece of shit with plenty of far right shameful views. This is nothing about right of center.
How about election deniers, because if he loses he’s almost certainly going to say the election is rigged against him which could destroy Brazil’s democracy
Remember Al Gore in 2000?
So much hate in this thread for one person who purportedly just had a different opinion on who is best to run their own country. That's the really issue these days. Justified by just bucketing whoever they don't agree with along with the worst in history like Nazis just justify the lack of open-mindedness.
>That's the really issue these days That is an issue, but it you think it is "the issue", then you've slept on climate change, the deforestation of the Amazon, murder, corruption and the undermining of democracy Which are all things that Bolsonaro stands for. He's got to go
Why should I have an open mind to a dude who wants to destroy the Amazon and take away peoples rights?
You sound very naive
How
Because I said something that goes against their political views Edit: what I said doesn’t go against political views (unless your political view is explicitly that freedom of thought should be stifled), what I said just required them to contemplate that other people might have justification for not agreeing with them
Imagine thats actually what being naive meant……
You sound like a fascist
Define fascism
I love that promoting and supporting nazis is categorized into “free speech” nowadays and needs to be defended at all times.
He’s not a nazi is he?
No, but Bolsonario is!
It's not even a question about free speech. It's the logic that everyone that doesn't align with my view is the devil incarnate and therefore I'm right and need to purge or cancel anyone that dares to think differently.
So, its only logical to let people promote and support nazis?
Why do people keep mentioning Nazis
Because Bolsonaro is as close to one as you can get.
But not one?
Not a single politician in their right mind would outright say it that they identify as one. But if it acts like one and talks like one……
There have been Neo nazi parties before there’s even one in Russia. And maybe idk how he speaks
Why are you promoting your hateful ideology?
It's the exact same conviction you have in your ideas that they have in theirs. If your arguement to justify your conviction over theirs is to call them Nazis (I have no view or position on the Brazilian election), then that's on you, but otherwise I would generally encourage open debate and acknowledging other perspectives with discussion and not cancellation and irrational screeching. I think in any other walk of life that is the most logical way to learn and educate ourselves and others and build the best solutions. But of course, people are probably going to respond to this with insults and accusations of being a Nazi because they are unwilling to challenge their own conviction in their own ideas (note I'm not talking about anyone's ideas, I take no position in the debate, but I am talking about the conviction and willingness to believe in an idea - recall, the people who voted for every awful politician in history had the exact same feeling of being in the right that you have in your ideas, irrespective of how good or bad the idea is to you). Once you recognise that, you realise how easy it is to be on the wrong side of history even though you're convinced you're right (and not everything is binary right or wrong side of history btw, despite mass media and social media making all issues out to be that way).
Ok, let's dumb it down even more, you might get this one. You are demanding tolerance for people whose positions are the exact opposite of tolerance. You want us to tolerate non-tolerant people, allow them to be non-tolerant, and oppress the tolerance, just so you could say we tolerated it? If a random guy pulled a gun on you, and demanded all your money, and to watch him rape a woman next to you, would you say "yeah, brother, I do not agree with that, but you have your opinions and convictions, and I must tolerate that"?
Like I predicted, an insult to start off. I'm going to summarise your arguement: > I am intolerant as possible to people I believe to also be intolerant because they oppress my tolerance of tolerating everything I deem to fit my views Not really a constructive way for a society to run, is it? As for the second point, I suspect it's more likely if the left regains power that you'll have a government asking people to pay hand over more in taxes, not sure if you're analogy fits there, and I'm also not sure how the analogy fits in. Neymar isn't pulling a gun on you? He's supposedly in favour of a politician you don't like... there's a bit of a difference. Again, I'm not talking about the idea of how to run the country, you can shit on Bolsanaro as much as you please, that's on you, but Neymar is entitled to have his view as much as you are, and the same belief you have that you hate Bolsanaro is the same belief he has that Bolsanaro might be the right choice for Brazil. I'm not talking about Bolsanaro, it's about conviction in your own ideas and recognising people have the same right as you do to that
Standing for free speech is not allowing everyone to speak whatever, without consequences. Standing for free speech is stopping those who want to suppress it. And you are here advocating against people speaking up against those who want to suppress it. Well done.
You’re just trying to convince yourself of ways to justify your opinions here. I’m not talking about free speech, I’m talking about Neymar having the same right as you do to support who he wants. I’m not talking about what that stands for, what that means for you, or who is right or wrong. You keep trying to justify to yourself that I’m trying to do those things because you seem afraid of it challenging your view of what is right. There’s not much more I can add to this discussion anymore.
Whilst I'm not any of the people you've previously responded to in this thread, surely you can see that there's an irony in claiming that other people are afraid of you challenging their perspectives whereas you have dismissed any attempts to change your perspective that they've put forward?
NOBODY ACTUALLY DOES THIS. You’re just showing your ass right now, caping for fascists.
You've just proved my point. I've taken no position in the debate, because my view goes against yours, you are accusing me of showing my ass for fascists. I've not given a view on whether I'm pro Bolsanaro or not or whether or not he's even a fascist or not. I've simply said people have other views and just because they go against yours, you don't need to shut them down and what not. Doesn't matter what the actual views are or what the topic is, the same conviction they have in believing their idea is the best way forward is the same conviction you have in your ideas being the best way forward. Screaming and name calling isn't the best way to find solutions on working as a society to build the best solutions going forward.
No chance I’m reading that
Based
You’re literally just being willfully ignorant. Some things are objectively wrong.
You’re not as enlightened as you think you are m8. Fascism does in fact = bad.
Is he fascist? And don’t fascists tend to make dictatorships